[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12090

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. How many people out there have been feeding raw for 10 years or more
From: one_sojourner_one
1b. Re: How many people out there have been feeding raw for 10 years or
From: Joanne Thompson
1c. Re: How many people out there have been feeding raw for 10 years or
From: debby lappat

2a. Re: New member - probably silly question
From: T Smith
2b. Re: New member - probably silly question
From: Andrea
2c. Re: New member - probably silly question
From: Olga
2d. Re: New member - probably silly question
From: Yasuko herron
2e. Re: New member - probably silly question
From: Yasuko herron

3a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Seizures
From: Sandee Lee
3b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Seizures
From: Michelle Grabert

4a. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: Olga
4b. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
From: Sandee Lee

5a. Re: How do I start?
From: Dawn Ruhl

6a. Re: bones in poo!
From: patti.h310

7a. Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
From: Dawn Ruhl
7b. Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
From: Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)
7c. Re: Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
From: Maggie Smith
7d. Re: Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
From: meg_helmes

8a. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
From: qsgirl916
8b. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
From: Misty Sargent
8c. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
From: eyed_blue

9a. Re: Feeding rats? and fish types
From: brake4breyers832

10a. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
From: brake4breyers832
10b. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
From: Mary Whetsel
10c. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
From: Michelle Grabert

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1a. How many people out there have been feeding raw for 10 years or more
Posted by: "one_sojourner_one" onesojourner@gmail.com one_sojourner_one
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

It seems most of the people that are doing raw a relatively new at it,
new being less than 5 years. I know there are some of you on this list
that have been feeding raw for much longer and I would like to know
how the dogs or doing in the long run. How many dogs are there out
there that have ate raw from puppy hood to death?

peter

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1b. Re: How many people out there have been feeding raw for 10 years or
Posted by: "Joanne Thompson" tho0123@earthlink.net black_diamond_kennels
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:56 pm ((PDT))

Peter,

It may seem like most of the people are relatively new to raw because
those are the people that still need to ask questions. There are a ton
of us here that have been feeding raw for longer. I have been doing it
for nearly 12 years with my (currently) 9 Giant Schnauzers, with great
success. I have only one dog, my oldest who is 12, that has ever tasted
kibble (that's what he was eating when he came to me). The rest have no
clue what kibble or store bought treats are.

This same question has been asked recently, so you can probably search
the archives to see other people's responses.

Joanne Thompson
Black Diamond Kennels
Working Giant Schnauzers
Bellvue, CO 80512

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1c. Re: How many people out there have been feeding raw for 10 years or
Posted by: "debby lappat" dlappat@yahoo.com dlappat
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:51 pm ((PDT))

Peter, Hi My Breeder in Calif Has Feed Raw For 20 yrs+ We Have Ridgebacks . She just had 1 Ridgeback live to 15 yrs and he was doing GREAT . She has had Many of her dogs live to 12yrs and up . Her Vet always is asking her about raw. Many of her puppies are on raw all over the US We all have very very good results. I also have 3 ridgebacks and 2 scotties all have been on Raw over 5 yrs We are doing wonderful. I am so happy with all of my dogs health. There Teeth are really good and we have such sweet breath. I have notice many others things about my dogs that are different from others.I have also gotten many others to switch to raw. I do believe this is the only way to feed. Good Luck debby

one_sojourner_one <onesojourner@gmail.com> wrote: It seems most of the people that are doing raw a relatively new at it,
new being less than 5 years. I know there are some of you on this list
that have been feeding raw for much longer and I would like to know
how the dogs or doing in the long run. How many dogs are there out
there that have ate raw from puppy hood to death?

peter

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2a. Re: New member - probably silly question
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

Hey Sandee,
I had to chop the bone for my boy. unless you have another idea? He takes
them and slides them down his thoat by turning his head side to side. The
size doesn't matter & he WILL choke himself.
So, what do you think is better to feed than a chicken quarter because that
will not work for my 98 pound Dal. Unless I chop it.
Trina

On 9/28/07, Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:
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> Well, that's the normal way for a dog to eat...crunch, crunch, swallow.
> You
> don't want to chop up the bone, you want to feed her something larger...a
> chicken quarter would be the smallest food I would offer a dog her size.
>
> Dump that kibble, get a couple of whole chickens and quarter them!
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
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2b. Re: New member - probably silly question
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:38 am ((PDT))

If a chicken quarter is still too small feed half a chicken. No matter
how much head tossing he does he'll never be able to swallow a whole
chicken. Or you could try and partially freeze the quarter so it is
harder.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:

> I had to chop the bone for my boy. unless you have another idea?
> He takes them and slides them down his thoat by turning his head
> side to side.

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2c. Re: New member - probably silly question
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:12 pm ((PDT))

I do half chickens for my 75 lb dog. If that's too small too, try
feeding it half-frozen, or do a whole chicken. Chopping is not the
answer. And of course, you won't be feeding just chicken for long.
There are many big items to choose from once you add turkey and pork
to their diet (which I'm guessing you will do eventually, since you
are just starting out).

Good luck!

Olga

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2d. Re: New member - probably silly question
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

>I had to chop the bone for my boy. He takes them and slides them down his thoat by >turning his head side to side.

Hi.I thnk that the smaller the easier for dogs to inhale the food. Good exampleis kibble.Kibble is so tiny that dog tend to inhale it and we hear some dog choke with kibble etc.

I think bigger the better for your dog to eat. This is way too exhagrating example but if you feed head of animal,it is obiously bigger than dog's head and it is so hard for dog to inhale or swalolow the animal head you feed.

So,unless your dog had prob with teeth or jaw,then,chopping bones would not be good,more for tempting dog to swallow them.

Feed bigger stuff.

>So, what do you think is better to feed than a chicken quarter

Well,chicken qurter you meant is whole chicken cut into 4 or Leg qurter you mean?

If you meant Leg qurter,get whole chicken and feed the bird in appropriate portion to your dog.If your dog was 89lb and that was ideal weight then,2% intake will be around 2lb daily.

I usually get whole chicken about 5lb or so to make roast chicken so, for your dog, half the chicken;cut right in the middle along the spine would be about daily intake if you feed 2% with the weight 89lb. Half the chicken is too small for dog to swallow???

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2e. Re: New member - probably silly question
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:56 pm ((PDT))

>She's a big girl, about 65 pounds of love

Hi.Sorry I made mistake about feeding amount for yourdog in my earlier post.For some reason,I was thinking 89lb.Sorry...

So,if you feed 2% and if your dog were ideal weight then,1.5lb per daily roughly.

So,I am sure that you can find 3-4lb whole chicken if you look through ,you still can give half the whole chicken like others mentioned.

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3a. Re: {Raw Feeding} Seizures
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

Brandi,

Feeding a raw diet can and does help with seizure control. Many dogs have
had a reduction in seizure frequency and been able to have their meds
reduced. By getting a dog off kibble not only are you eliminating all of
the preservatives, dyes, etc., but the grains and other carbs can be a
trigger.

There is some good information in this message...
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/107357

Also, she needs to make certain this dog gets no more vaccs or other
toxins!!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@gmail.com>

> Ok, I got some more information from my friend that has the female
> sheltie that's having seizures. She will be 2 in Jan., she started
> having seizures in April - started out that wouldn't have the seizures
> about every month and they started increasing. Now she's having them
> every 2 weeks. She's on 32.16 mg of Phenabarbertor (sp) - half that
> amount 16 something which she gives her pup twice a day. She's
> interested in RAW if she thinks that it would help her with the
> seizures.

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3b. Re: {Raw Feeding} Seizures
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:01 pm ((PDT))

thanks, michelle

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote: Michelle Grabert <chalienme@...> wrote:
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> ca you please tell me what is CH>?
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4a. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:07 pm ((PDT))

I think your dog needs bigger pieces of RMB to chew on. Instead of a
turkey neck, how about getting a whole turkey and cutting it into say
4 big hunks? They can't be swallowed whole not only because they are
big, but also because of their shape.

Since most of the neck gets swallowed, there's not much of a dental
benefit anyway. There's nothing magic about turkey necks either - you
can easily feed any other turkey part, or a half/whole chicken, or a
big pork roast, or a slab of ribs, etc.

Olga

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4b. Re: Whole Turkey Necks
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:18 pm ((PDT))

Greg,

Turkey necks fall into the "know your dog" category. Some dogs handle them
just fine...if you have a gulper, they can be a problem
as they are an easy shape for the dog to swallow whole and choke. If he is
mashing the bone enough that it isn't going to get stuck going down (sounds
like he is), he's probably ok.

You definitely don't want to cut them into small chunks. It's the diameter
rather than the length that poses the hazards and a small piece would be far
too easy to swallow whole.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "GWiesmore" <gwiesmore@yahoo.com>

Our 5 month old bullmastiff absolutely loves turkey necks. We used to
cut them up into small 1"x1" chunks, but then our breeder told us that
chewing the full neck would be better for her teeth and exercising her
jaws. Here's the rub... When we give her a whole turkey neck, she
chews the fat end just enough to break up the bones and make it
skinnier, then swallows the darned thing whole. Although she doesn't
exhibit any negative signs after swallowing the neck whole, I'm
concerned that the length of the neck is not going to fit in her
stomach and hurt her. These things are 8"-9" long.

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5a. Re: How do I start?
Posted by: "Dawn Ruhl" Dawnofthedanes@mac.com dawnofthedanes
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

Or Green Tripe! <<G>>
I can hardly eat chicken anymore, unless it is fried, since I started
feeding raw.
Took me a while to be able to eat rare meats again, but the dried
out, flavorless
taste of medium well just didn't cut it for me. So, I at least got
past that.

Dawn
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Re: How do I start?
Posted by: "one_sojourner_one" onesojourner@gmail.com
one_sojourner_one
Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:15 am (PST

Please tell us you are not eating raw chicken quarters for dinner! ;)

peter

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6a. Re: bones in poo!
Posted by: "patti.h310" patti.h310@yahoo.com patti.h310
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

Thanks for all this information... I thought chix wing were the
perfect bone to meat ratio, so he's been getting those pretty
regularly (we're only about 3 weeks into raw) What about leg
quarters? Are those bones too hard? Good news though, he just ate
lamb! When I got home today I told him "Mommy has a present"!!!!
That always gets him excited and he devoured the lamb. I have only
fed him beef ribs a couple times. Thats what gave him loose stools.
He absolutly loves beef though so he does get some ground. I haven't
been able to find beef heart. But beef liver doesn't interest him.
Another question.....are turkey legs or wings ok?
Thanks, Patti

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Olga" <olga.drozd@...> wrote:
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> I feed neck bones with extra added meat (like some heart,
frequently).
> Also, chicken wings and necks are too small for a 50 lb dog, not to
> mention also too heavy in bone unless you are adding a lot of
boneless
> meat. If you feed too much bone, you will find bone pieces in the
> stool in my experience, because their system can only digest so much
> of it.
>
> Also, how many times have you fed beef? In my experience it's
richer
> than poultry and pork, so I had to feed small amounts of it first
and
> give it a few tries before my two had firm stools on it. Beef is a
> very worthwhile protein to feed. As far as turkey, have you tried
> more meaty pieces? Same for pork, more meaty. :D
>
> Olga
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "patti.h310" <patti.h310@> wrote:
> > I'm new to raw feeding and my 50lb. Beardie loves me for it.
However,
> > he's very particular! Chicken wings and leg quarters are ok, but
he
> > won't touch necks. Beef Ribs give him loose stooles. Won't touch
> > turkey necks or any kind of liver. Will not even consider lamb.
He
> > loves pork neck bones but sometimes I find large, quarter sized
pieces
> > of hard bone in his poo. (I poked it with a stick!) Should I
stop
> > giving him the pork neck bones?
>

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7a. Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
Posted by: "Dawn Ruhl" Dawnofthedanes@mac.com dawnofthedanes
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

OUCH, Trina! Hope your leg is Ok.
Yes, the raw diet should help his attitude. But, the pain sounds like
Chip's biggest problem! Through the years, I have seen the diet help
arthritic dogs, hopefully enough to change a really bad attitude
enough, like you want.
For an older arthritic dog I would hope that giving him/her
Synflex or Flexicose (www.cactuscanyon.com) feeding tracheas and
gullets will all help his arthritis, and hopefully his bad 'tude.
Also, I have used Hyaluronic Acid, which doesn't work for
everyone... do wonders for my senior GSD who would have gone
to God a long time ago, if not for the raw diet and HA and the
other supplements I mentioned.
Dawn

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Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:53 am (PST)

I have a few dogs needing medications.
One is my Dal & he takes alot of medicines. He's old & sick & cranky!
I usually give it in a ball of canned food but would like to give it in
something raw based...I don't want to feed the canned crap any more.
Hamburger? I am hearing alot more on a different list about feeding raw
burger... I thought it wasn't a main source? Advice welcomed here. i
also
thought about grinding up chicken necks and using them in little
balls with
pills.

On a totally off the main food: will raw help (could it) my Dal's
temperament who is getting worse. He is in pain & on pain meds but he is
also a butthead! He accidentally bit me this morning in my calf when he
didn't like my other dog in his space. It wasn't nice & it isn't pretty
looking onmy leg!! Thankfully it isn't shorts weather. I don't want
to go
off topic here, just hoping others have dealt with raw &
temperamental dogs
& would like to know if there was any difference: good, bad or
otherwise? I
will be adding another pain med in his diet now. But any natural
foods in
RAW that can work as a natural pain reliever?
Trina
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Casper (deaf Great Dane)
Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
Louie (hearing Great Dane)
Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
Mr Paris (Lhasa Apso)
Chloe (deaf & blind Spaniel mix)
Laus Deo!
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7b. Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
Posted by: "Garnaas, Carolyn (MED US)" carolyn.garnaas@siemens.com carolyn.garnaas
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:57 pm ((PDT))

Temperament is what it is - somewhat a breed characteristic, somewhat
the result of early appropriate socialization, the parents'
temperaments, and so on. Can't change that much, at least, not in an
older dog.

Crankiness, OTOH, can result from pain, esp. from painful joints
unnecessarily inflamed by eating processed dog food full of
carbohydrates, sugars, chemicals, rancid fat, and worse. Crankiness can
definitely be reduced by feeding a proper raw diet, as this can help
alleviate pain in the joints, at least. A raw diet with 10% bones will
also alleviate periodontal disease, which left untreated results in
heart disease, kidney failure, and other nasties. These can also be
painful for a dog.

The bite, however, is a training issue, pure and simple. The dog should
be corrected immediately (yelled at loudly) and given a time out (one
minute ALONE in the bathroom with the door shut) for this absolutely
unacceptable behavior.

If you let him get away with it just because he's in pain, you are
eventually going to risk a lawsuit, or worse, you might have to put the
dog down. Nobody wants that.

A well-trained dog can be in enormous pain and still not bite. Biting is
a training issue. Biting is a training issue. Biting is a training
issue.

Carolyn J. Garnaas and Molly The Dog, Who Can Definitely Bite, But Would
Not Ever Dream of Doing So

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7c. Re: Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
Posted by: "Maggie Smith" redkeds@comcast.net redkeds1
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:24 pm ((PDT))

Hey Trina,

I keep ground beef in my fridge for supps for the boys - just make a
meatball and push the pills in and presto - works like a charm
everytime. No pills to give? Give them the occasional meatball as
a treat!

Ground beef does not sustain them, just a little on the side each
day, but it is still raw.

Sorry, can't answer regarding the temperament - may be some of that
is kibble/grains/additives related - give him some time to adjust to
the raw and see how he is then?

Maggie, Rufus and Oliver

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
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> I have a few dogs needing medications.
> One is my Dal & he takes alot of medicines. He's old & sick &
cranky!
> I usually give it in a ball of canned food but would like to give
it in
> something raw based...I don't want to feed the canned crap any
more.
> Hamburger? I am hearing alot more on a different list about
feeding raw
> burger... I thought it wasn't a main source? Advice welcomed
here. i also
> thought about grinding up chicken necks and using them in little
balls with
> pills.
>
> On a totally off the main food: will raw help (could it) my Dal's
> temperament who is getting worse. He is in pain & on pain meds
but he is
> also a butthead! He accidentally bit me this morning in my calf
when he
> didn't like my other dog in his space. It wasn't nice & it isn't
pretty
> looking onmy leg!! Thankfully it isn't shorts weather. I don't
want to go
> off topic here, just hoping others have dealt with raw &
temperamental dogs
> & would like to know if there was any difference: good, bad or
otherwise? I
> will be adding another pain med in his diet now. But any natural
foods in
> RAW that can work as a natural pain reliever?
> Trina
> --
> Chip (deaf Dalmatian)
> Casper (deaf Great Dane)
> Whisper (deaf Great Dane)
> Louie (hearing Great Dane)
> Joey (deaf & blind Lhasa Apso)
> Amy (disabled Lhasa Apso)
> Cassandra (disabled Lhasa Apso)
> Mr Paris (Lhasa Apso)
> Chloe (deaf & blind Spaniel mix)
>
>
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>

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7d. Re: Feeding pills in RAW/Temperment & RAW
Posted by: "meg_helmes" mhelmes@gmail.com meg_helmes
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:48 pm ((PDT))

I have a few dogs needing medications.
> One is my Dal & he takes alot of medicines. He's old & sick & cranky!
> I usually give it in a ball of canned food but would like to give it in
> something raw based...I don't want to feed the canned crap any more.
> Hamburger? I am hearing alot more on a different list about feeding raw
> burger...

Trina-
My dog needs to take meds twice daily, and I use ground turkey
meatballs, ground hamburger, or canned ground tripe (brand name
Tripett). Ground shouldn't be the main of your dog's diet, but it
makes a great pill delivery system and kong stuffer (just freeze it!).
You can also use cheese, cream cheese, etc. It's not a huge part of my
dog's diet, so I don't worry about it too much. I put it in the treats
category.

~Meg & Ruby the wonderpup

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8a. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
Posted by: "qsgirl916" qsgirl916@yahoo.com qsgirl916
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

I understand your point, but what is up with her rejecting the chicken
and the beef? I could see if she just hated the chicken, but she's
rejecting everything...except the cheese, of course.

Obviously, I'm keeping an eye on her b/c I would never want to make her
ill especially since the point of this diet was for her to have better
health!

I'll keep everyone posted on our progress. I appreciate all the input!

Sarah

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Obviously the dog is rejecting the chicken repeatedly, and if you
encourage her to hold out forever and the dog continues to refuse to
eat, she is going to either have a very sick dog or a dead dog.

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8b. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
Posted by: "Misty Sargent" jrtlover27@yahoo.com jrtlover27
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:25 pm ((PDT))

It may be that the beef upset her tummy and she just needs some time to get used to it. I say this since she ate it the first time. Maybe get some shredded cheese and stir it in with the beef so that she can't pick it out.

Misty

qsgirl916 <qsgirl916@yahoo.com> wrote:
I understand your point, but what is up with her rejecting the chicken
and the beef? I could see if she just hated the chicken, but she's
rejecting everything...except the cheese, of course.

Obviously, I'm keeping an eye on her b/c I would never want to make her
ill especially since the point of this diet was for her to have better
health!

I'll keep everyone posted on our progress. I appreciate all the input!

Sarah

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Misty Sargent <jrtlover27@...> wrote:
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Obviously the dog is rejecting the chicken repeatedly, and if you
encourage her to hold out forever and the dog continues to refuse to
eat, she is going to either have a very sick dog or a dead dog.

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8c. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
Posted by: "eyed_blue" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:25 pm ((PDT))

have you tried just browning the chicken off then grating cheese
over and letting it cool so that it is all sort of stuck to the
chicken?

She knows the chicken and the cheese are separate and its too hard
to pick grated cheese from ki**le so she ate it.

If that doesnt work then I wouldn't fuss by trying any other foods
added as she will cotton on to that aswell.

I think someone has suggested that your dog is allergic to chicken
is this a fact? You are the only one who can see the dog, so how
long has she gone without food altogether and that includes NO
treats or tit bits? Remember in the wild they would go quite a
while without food then eat....

If you are really worried then try another protein but my pup in the
past has gone 5 days without food and is fine, I'm not recommending
anyone purposely starves a dog 5 days, just letting you know.

Natalie

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9a. Re: Feeding rats? and fish types
Posted by: "brake4breyers832" pebbles_diehl@hotmail.com brake4breyers832
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:56 pm ((PDT))

Thanks for the replies! I have been looking into some smaller
resources for my dogs since they are so small. I will add quail to
the list, thanks!
Susan D.

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10a. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
Posted by: "brake4breyers832" pebbles_diehl@hotmail.com brake4breyers832
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:56 pm ((PDT))

> got me wondering about goldfish. Heck, can get 100 of them here for
> probably five dollars. woul they be good for cats?
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I would be leary about feeding goldfish bought from a pet store. Most
of them live in water that was treated to neutralize chemicals,
chlorine, etc. and all the bottles I ever used said to not use it for
fish that will be consumed.
Hope this helps!
Susan D.

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10b. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
Posted by: "Mary Whetsel" chickiboo@gmail.com cooljavachic
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:24 pm ((PDT))

About feeding goldfish to cats... I had asked this question earlier on
rawcat (which if you are feeding cats raw, I highly recommend you join) and
got some positive feedback, but again that wasn't for a steady diet. I just
needed to get rid of some extras in my pond.

One of my cats did eat the head only of one of the larger fish (about 4
inches) but that was it. The rest of the fish didn't interest her at all.
On the other hand she loves other whole fish from the grocery store. I also
tried leaving them out overnight for the strays, and unlike other leavings,
they were never touched. I can't say what other cats might think, but mine
didn't seem to approve.

-Mary

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10c. Re: Fish and fur and other friends?
Posted by: "Michelle Grabert" chalienme@yahoo.com chalienme
Date: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:51 pm ((PDT))

ya know I got to thinking more about the goldfish idea and it dawned on me that back had fish tanks, I would have to add a few different chemicals to the water for ph, algea, whatnot. I am not sure of you have to treat an outdoor pond but made me think,hmm, maybe notsuch a hot idea feeding Goldfish afterall...? michelle

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote: Michelle Grabert <chalienme@...> wrote:
another question, might seem funny or stupid but I am not trying to
be.
*****
Nope, it's a perfectly logical question.

got me wondering about goldfish. Heck, can get 100 of them here for
probably five dollars. woul they be good for cats?
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Others know lots more about cats than I do. My take on this is fish
are not necessarily species appropriate to a cat's diet so while an
occasional fish is okay, a steady diet is not. Also, the nutritional
value of goldfish/carp/any fish is directly related to the goldfish's
diet. If you can feed goldfish a good natural diet they will be more
useful to your cat than dimestore goldfish fed goldfish food flakes.

Yes, the larger ones can be fed to dogs. Whether the cat or dogs
will eat the carp remains to be seen.
Chris O

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