Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 12094

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: New member - probably silly question
From: Denise Strother

2a. Re: pigs feet and cow hooves
From: Yasuko herron

3a. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
From: Denise Strother

4a. Re: bones in poo!
From: Yasuko herron

5a. how to stop her from eating so fast
From: maradethc
5b. Re: how to stop her from eating so fast
From: Yasuko herron
5c. Re: how to stop her from eating so fast
From: Sandee Lee
5d. Re: how to stop her from eating so fast
From: Brandi Bryant
5e. Re: how to stop her from eating so fast
From: Denise Strother

6a. Re: Newbie question - Chicken bones and possibility of intestinal pe
From: Sandee Lee
6b. Re: Newbie question - Chicken bones and possibility of intestinal pe
From: Stephanie Sorensen

7a. Re: Best-in-Show line up 50% raw
From: Yasuko herron
7b. Re: Best-in-Show line up 50% raw
From: Maofryan@aol.com

8a. Re: ONE (SUCCESSFUL, I THINK) WEEK OF RAW
From: steph.sorensen

9a. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
From: blue eyed

10a. Re: New member here... Need help.
From: Denise Strother

11a. Re: Hiding food? Newbie question
From: one_sojourner_one

12. feeding turkey
From: abeautiful3

13a. Re: German Shepherd Overwieght
From: kaylsraven

14a. Re: Best-in-Show line up 50% raw - Krissy
From: tottime47

15a. Re: no poop is it time to panic?
From: Andrea

16a. Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
From: designlmc
16b. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
From: tottime47

17. Raw Tripe Score!
From: matrimentor

18a. Re: another runny poo question
From: Giselle

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1a. Re: New member - probably silly question
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:54 am ((PDT))

Bigger, not smaller is the correct answer here. You are depriving your
dog of the dental benefits of raw by chopping up his food. Also
chopping means he can just gulp his food just like they do with
kibble. The extra time it takes to eat big = more satisfaction for
your dog. Just like us it takes time for the brain to recognize that
the tummy is full. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "T Smith" <coldbeach@...> wrote:
My Dal ate the thigh & drumstick in TWO pieces ONLY because he
accidentally chewed it in half while trying to swallow it whole the
first time he ate RAW. So, now I chop in into bite sized (2 x 2 -ish)
pieces so he doesn't choke himself!

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2a. Re: pigs feet and cow hooves
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:26 am ((PDT))

>Neither of these are meals and whether they are amusements for your dogis up to you and >your dog.

Hi,Howard. Go to hare today gone tomorrow site (located in PA),and put "Cow hooves" in search area. It brings up what I got last month.

It is caled hooves but it is as big as my hand and weigh 3lb or so and hoovesare attached to fur and such and it really gave my dog serious work out,and madeher deep sleep at night.

It is not meal,but recreational type but it is good.

The actual hooves looked like rubbery tire or something to me and, my dog was nibbling on it,never splinter shard and I felt comfortable. The furaround the ankle area (??) was most place my dog worked on and she ate fur and skin and some tendons. spent 2 hours on it and she ate 6oz (less than half pound).It was stinkly,but my dog was satisfied.

Good part is,it costed me around 2 dollars. I refroze the leftover and going to offer some other time.

Hooves that I am talking is not the size of chew hooves you can see at pet shops. Much bigger and heavier.

yassy

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3a. Re: Update on my "starving" dog
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:28 am ((PDT))

First of all, even is your dog has had allergy test that say he is
allergic to beef there are a couple of things you need to know.
Allergy tests are notoriously inaccurate. Also, many dogs that are
allergic to beef on kibble are not allergic to beef fed raw. The
woman I work for has two Scotties that were allergic to beef and
chicken by allergy tests. They were on hypo-allergenic food and
received antigen shots. Now they are on raw and guess what? They eat
beef and chicken with not a problem in sight.

Yes, you should listen when your dog is communicating with you. That
does not mean you should always do what he is communicating to you.
People sometimes misunderstand what the dog is saying. I would no
more let my dog dictate what his/her diet should be than I would a
child. My grandkids are here this weekend. My 3yr old, intact, male
grandchild wanted gum for breakfast. Guess what? He did not eat gum
for breakfast. At lunch if he refuses whatever lunch is, then I put
it up and he can eat it when he is hungry. A lot of dogs refuse new
things just like kids do. I do rescue and feed a lot of different
dogs. If they refuse certain foods they just don't eat at that meal
and it is offered at the next meal and so on until it is eaten. If
after eating the disliked food several times it is obvious that they
don't like it, I take that into consideration. But, most of the time
after eating the disdained food a time or two, they decide it's not
so bad or even like it. The thing is the dog won't hold out forever.
If your dog doesn't like anything but chicken and won't eat organs
(especially liver) and you cave to that, that's when you end up with
an unhealthy dog. Variety is the key to your dog getting everything
it needs from rawfeeding. BTW, I am the benevolent dictator here. It
doesn't mean I don't hear what my dogs are saying, I just think I
know more about what is good for them than they do. And hopefully
that is true for all of us on this list. If your dog is smarter,
more informed and educated than you are, well I can't help you with
that. Denise

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4a. Re: bones in poo!
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:28 am ((PDT))

> The loose stool with the beef ribs was probably because it was new and some dogs >bodies have to adjust to new foods in the beginning

I agree,and if Beef was already got used to but still loose stool,then,you can get visible fat from back of the ribs.Sometimes,too much fat also cause loose stool.

if one saw loose stool either skin and fat off a bit and see how dog does or add more bones if dog did not eat rib bones on rib days. That may help.

And, add new thing only one at a time.

yassy

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5a. how to stop her from eating so fast
Posted by: "maradethc" maradethc@yahoo.com maradethc
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:29 am ((PDT))

I have 4 dogs and one just scarfs down her food. Today it was vegie mix
with ground chicken. And other times its chicken backs. Now she has
started throwing it up and eating it again. Can anyone give me some
advice thanks
Maradeth

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5b. Re: how to stop her from eating so fast
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:48 am ((PDT))

.>I have 4 dogs and one just scarfs down her food. Today ground chicken. And other times >its chicken backs.

Hi.it is easy to figure out why they eat so fast.

It is GROUND so, no need to tackle with meat at all and in a few sec,dog done eating andsince eating so fast,so,threw up andre-eat it.

Feed whole chicken cut up to your dog's portion size.

and,I am kind of wondering if you are feeding pre-made ground mix??

and for chicke back,too boney so,if you feed it anddog threw up then,it is too much bone in one sitting.Need to add more meat to the dogs meal.

and, look for archive for veggie mix. People on this list do not feed them.You find answer why.It talked quite a lot in the past.

yassy

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5c. Re: how to stop her from eating so fast
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:32 pm ((PDT))

Yes...get rid of the ground foods and veggie mix and give the dogs some nice
whole food to eat. Quarter or half chicken is a good place to
begin...depending on the size of your dogs.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "maradethc" <maradethc@yahoo.com>

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5d. Re: how to stop her from eating so fast
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

I have 4 dogs and one just scarfs down her food. Today it was vegie mix
with ground chicken. And other times its chicken backs

Hi, Maradeth, I have 4 dogs too! I have a GS puppy that scarfs her food
also, she'd chew on a chicken breast about 3 to 4 chews and then swallow it
whole!!! I asked about it to the group, and they gave me a couple of tips,
first feed whole foods! I'm giving my puppy, half a chicken, or whole pork
in shoulder roasts! For example: last night my all my dogs got this for
dinner. (after going to walmart and find some mark down of expired meat
that no one picked up) come home and my dogs got 3 pok rib tips each, they
all got turkey breasts, I cut up and whole chicken in 4 pieces, and they
also got some thinly slice pork chops (mark down at Wal mart) with the bones
cut out! And of course my puppy went after the pork chops first, swallowed
them whole - but then she had to work at the rib tips, and she also had to
work at the breats and the chicken.

Hope this kinda helps in a way.
Brandi
Bartlesville, OK

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5e. Re: how to stop her from eating so fast
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

Dump the veggies and ground meat. The gulping is because ground
requires nothing more and many dogs will vomit just because it hits
their stomach with no warning. Eating anything after they throw it up
is no problem, saves you cleaning it up. I would check out some of
these sites to learn how to feed your dog appropriately.
www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html
http://www.rawfeddogs.net
http://www.rawlearning.com
Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "maradethc" <maradethc@...> wrote:
>I have 4 dogs and one just scarfs down her food. Today it was vegie
mix with ground chicken. And other times its chicken backs. Now she
has started throwing it up and eating it again. Can anyone give me
some advice thanks
Maradeth

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6a. Re: Newbie question - Chicken bones and possibility of intestinal pe
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:36 am ((PDT))

Heidi,

No, there is no truth to that comment and I bet he can't back it up with any
facts. I'm not saying that it absolutely could not happen, but I think if
it was a common result of feeding raw, there would be far fewer than the
9648 members in this group and countless numbers of dogs successfully being
fed raw! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "hszymkowski" <hszymkowski@yahoo.com>
I've been feeding my lab raw for about 3 weeks, based entirely on what
I've read here. Breeze loves it, happily scarfs whatever I put in
front of her, and has shown no signs of any problems or distress. My
husband, who's still somewhat skeptical of raw feeding, was
"cautioned" by a biologist of the possibility of chicken bones (cooked
OR raw) causing intestinal perforation.
Any truth to that, and how do I dispel his anxiety?

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6b. Re: Newbie question - Chicken bones and possibility of intestinal pe
Posted by: "Stephanie Sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

Hey Heidi,

I AM a biologist - although only for about 10 years now :). And RAW bones will not splinter and are less likely to perforate the intestinal lining because they break down differently than cooked bones. I too was cautioned by a co-worker not long ago who used to be a vet tech. Said he opened up a dead dog to do an autopsy and found shredded insides due to the dog's "bone" diet. I asked if they were cooked or raw, and he didn't know.

My bet was on cooked, because all of the people on here that have been doing this for ages, as well as my own two dogs, have not had a raw bone problem yet. They can still choke, which is why they need to be supervised, but chances of intestinal perforation, while possible, are pretty small. And the digestive juices of dogs are quite potent and capable of breaking down the bone for necessary absorption of nutrients and passing of the remains.

I hope it helps to have another "biologist" that is on your side! :)

-Steph
Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey (the kitty)

hszymkowski <hszymkowski@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello,
I've been feeding my lab raw for about 3 weeks, based entirely on what
I've read here. Breeze loves it, happily scarfs whatever I put in
front of her, and has shown no signs of any problems or distress. My
husband, who's still somewhat skeptical of raw feeding, was
"cautioned" by a biologist of the possibility of chicken bones (cooked
OR raw) causing intestinal perforation.
Any truth to that, and how do I dispel his anxiety?

Thank you all!
Heidi

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7a. Re: Best-in-Show line up 50% raw
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:06 am ((PDT))

>I have wondered for YEARS about this

Me too! When i came to US,and watched dog show (I have never watched such show before coming here)I thought that all dogs' coats are so shiny and good muscle tones I was surprised.

I then was thinking that handlers could be doing good grooming;combing etc to make it very silky and shiny looking,because show shows how the handlers are repping before entering the ring.

but if most dogs are raw fed,it is undertandable because after switching to raw,palette's coat got shinier than before.And I see muscle tone especially in hind legs thighs.

My neighbor who has rottie chow mix (120lb) thinks I am pretty good job grooming.

Thedog is kibble fed but occasionally get veggie I heard and get some people food like corn bread (it was what the neighbor put for birds!) .She is a big good old dog(13 y.o.),but neighbor said she sheds quite a lot and when I look at coat next to palette's, definitely palette looks better in coat.Nikki's looks bit rough,no shiny.

I wish they could change nikki's diet (the old dog) but,I am not sure.

I once told them I changed diet of palette but they just answered "oh" andthat is about it and did not show any interests to hear more so,I did not say much about it after that.

But if many people heard about top dog fed raw andthe more people could show interests in it and more dogs would get healthier...

I wonder why we(people who are no show people,no breeder) would not hear about it..

If I did not read magazine thatI read first about raw feeding back in February or March,I would still be feeding kibble....

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7b. Re: Best-in-Show line up 50% raw
Posted by: "Maofryan@aol.com" Maofryan@aol.com waldorfsarah
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:25 pm ((PDT))

I know most all of the handlers, owners etc....that were in the BIS ring.
This is not a scientific study, it is an observational study. I don't know
about the bloodlhound...or the golden....for example....the West coast
dogs...because I don't see them week after week. But I see everybody else. We all
talk to each other you know.....it's like you go to school together...or
remote extended family. You go ask them....I'm sure they will tell you. I am not
showing this year...but I doubt it has changed from the last year. Sarah
Waldorf Konigsdorf Shepherds

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8a. Re: ONE (SUCCESSFUL, I THINK) WEEK OF RAW
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

> I saw raw dehydrated salmon in the pet store (no other additives or
> fillers). Would this be an appropriate treat? How about freeze
> dried chicken, beef livers, or jerky?
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I have seen many a post in the month that I have been here with people
talking about what they feed as treats, and dehydrated chicken and beef
livers frequently come up. Also taking liver and drying it in the oven
yourself and cutting it into either strips or small squares works. I
would think the dehydrated salmon would be the same.

-Steph
Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey (the kitty)

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9a. Re: Puppy evaluation/admonished for feeding raw
Posted by: "blue eyed" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

I'm not a breeder but I know a well known brand, considered premium, that has over 400 calories in 100g of dry puppy 'food'. Going by the recomendation on the pack my 10 month pup should be eating 530g per day. Thats over 2000 calories a day.

Im guessing but Im pretty sure there is not nearly that amount of calories in the amount of raw food he eats.

[She said a puppy in the wild would never be given the
quality and quantity of protein I'm feeding.]
Would it get corn, wheat, Sorghum and EC permitted anti-oxidants in the wild?

What are you feeding the pups now? How old are they?

Natalie

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10a. Re: New member here... Need help.
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:09 pm ((PDT))

Hi Alex,
I have a female Pit about the same age and size as yours. I run a
dog daycare so she gets as much or more exercise. No dog chews their
food they crunch it into swallowable pieces, much like my 20 yr old
son, and swallow. Meaty bones should really be meat with bones in
it. The easiest way to start would be to get a whole chicken and cut
it into quarters. Start with one a day and see how it goes. Feed
that for a week or so, if all is well you can start adding a bit of
some other meat, like pork. If that goes well, give a pork meal and
so forth and so on. While you're doing that do your homework.

www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html
http://www.rawfeddogs.net
http://www.rawlearning.com

Also check out the archives for this group and ask any questions you
need to, that's what the group is for. This will be one of the best
things you ever do for her. The feathers are optional. Denise

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My name is Alex and I have a pitbull named Gigi...
I'd like to try feeding raw but I'm overwhelmed by all the
information that's out there. Can someone coach me along
considering Gigi's specifics...

20 Months old (today!)
46 pounds
Very lean, all muscle.
Runs/plays/swims at least 3 hours on most days...

SHE DOES NOT ALWAYS CHEW WHAT SHE EATS...
So, how should I get started?? Pretty much everything is easy for
me to buy. Also, simple questions - please don't make fun... Exactly
what are 'meaty bones'?
And, when I start feeding her chicken, shouldn't they still have
their feathers?
Alex Dewey

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11a. Re: Hiding food? Newbie question
Posted by: "one_sojourner_one" onesojourner@gmail.com one_sojourner_one
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:49 pm ((PDT))

I had that problem, and let me tell you 3 day old chicken is bad news!

-peter

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12. feeding turkey
Posted by: "abeautiful3" abeautiful3@yahoo.com abeautiful3
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:51 pm ((PDT))

I would like to know if feeding turkey legs are a good source of meat
and would the turkey bone splinter?

Arlene

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13a. Re: German Shepherd Overwieght
Posted by: "kaylsraven" kaylsraven@yahoo.com kaylsraven
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:26 pm ((PDT))

Howdy. The first got through, but anyways...

I've got a GSD who will be two years old on Monday (Oct 1). My rule of
thumb was that I kept him ribbier than I kept my adult dogs to ensure
that he didn't get too heavy before his growth plates closed and,
thus, caused hip dysplasia. He still looked like a fluffy little
roly-poly puppy until he hit about four months, but you could easily
feel his ribs (not too easily! And couldn't see them under the fluffy
puppy coat). If he got more padding, I cut down his food. If he got a
little too ribby, I upped his food.

His breeder and his sire's owner saw him several times between when I
brought him home and when he was about 8 mths and I got told off
stringently about the fact that he wasn't getting enough to eat, was
too lean, would never hit his projected adult weight if I didn't start
feeding him more or mixing in kibble...I just smiled and nodded and
said okay because, at 20-21, I was much younger than them and I just
don't argue with people that much older than me. But I did come on
here and ask because he was just a lanky little guy even at 9 mths and
a year, and was thus assured that it takes GSDs a long time to fill
out, especially without the fits and starts and doughy-ness from
kibble, and not to worry about it. Now he's two, and he looks
wonderful. I need to get some current pictures.

I know I went a little further than your actual question--sorry if it
was a little too much info. If anyone remembers me from a year or so
ago (doubtful *G*) Siris's weight and lankiness was a subject of much
worrying for me--I believe completely in raw, but I also had folks
telling me he wasn't getting enough, but judging by his ribs he was,
but they said he wouldn't develop, but I didn't want to risk HD, but
they said mix in some kibble to put some weight on, but I knew that
was wrong, but...and so on and so forth. Perhaps I can help allay some
fears before they pop up. If not, well, welcome to puppy-hood. But
lean is good with younguns.

Cheers,

Sabrina 'n the gang

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14a. Re: Best-in-Show line up 50% raw - Krissy
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:54 pm ((PDT))

Hi Krissy,

If they start talking about it, you probably won't be watching
the Westminster show anymore unless the beef council picks up the
bill, lol.

Since Pedigree sponsers the show, they expect and rightly so, that you
will not dis their dog food, at least publicly......

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Krissy" <krissy@...> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Maofryan@ wrote:
> > When you see the Best In Show line-up at Westminster, I can tell
> > you 50% of those dogs are eating raw....not Pedigree.

> I hope the percentage is that high....and that they start talking
about
> it!!
>
> Krissy

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15a. Re: no poop is it time to panic?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:52 pm ((PDT))

Sounds like she did poop, though, right? Depending on the size of dog you have, the poo
sounds just about right to me. Raw fed dogs poo a whole lot less than ki**le fed dogs.
Don't worry, nothing is wrong.

As far as refusing to eat anything but ground, don't let her. You're the owner and she's
the dog. Give her real food and if she doesn't eat it, maybe she'll change her mind at the
next meal. Just be firm.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Josephine Morningstar"
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> no poop for 4 days.. then very small poop..(one 3 in long fairly dark, then
> 2 in long softer much lighter color) and then i think its cause i ON
> PURPOSE gave her 1 cup cows milk.
>
> she is refusing meat with bones.. wants only ground up meat. and has no
> poop.. (but has strong appetite for ground up foot. or solid meat with no
> bone in it.. )

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16a. Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
Posted by: "designlmc" designlmc@yahoo.com designlmc
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:53 pm ((PDT))

Hi all,

I do not have a problem with the theory & philosophy of prey model diets
for dogs. However, living in Northern New Mexico, I have limited access
- no butchers to speak of, only a SuperSave Discount Foods, Albertsons,
and a local Whole Foods-type market.

My dilemma is this: I do not shop chain supermarkets as I do not want to
support agribusiness and hormone, antibiotic-laden meats. Conversely, I
cannot afford to buy extraordinarily priced free range meats at our
health food market.

Anyone else face this dilemma? I don't have problems handling meat (I
was a meat eater for many years). How do you resolve this ethical
situation?

Many thanks,
Laura

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16b. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:38 pm ((PDT))

Unless you are feeding veggies from your garden, where do you think
the Doom Nuggets are coming from?

You can bet they are from agribusiness and hormone, antibiotic-laden
meats, and worse, lol.

This has been discussed here very completely in the last couple of
months, maybe a look at past posts will help you.

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "designlmc" <designlmc@...> wrote:
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> Hi all,

> My dilemma is this: I do not shop chain supermarkets as I do not
want to
> support agribusiness and hormone, antibiotic-laden meats. I don't
have problems handling meat (I
> was a meat eater for many years). How do you resolve this ethical
> situation?
>
> Many thanks,
> Laura

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17. Raw Tripe Score!
Posted by: "matrimentor" matrimentor@yahoo.com matrimentor
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:53 pm ((PDT))

A farmer friend just gave me a whole sheep stomach from a young sheep
that had just been slaughtered. Can somebody quickly give me tips on
what to do with it now?

do I clean it out first, or just segment it and offer it to my guy in
appropriate sized pieces?

TIA,
Jacki

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18a. Re: another runny poo question
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:28 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Kelly!
Another thing to look at is if the chicken you are feeding
is enhanced; seasonings, flavorings added or salt solution injected.

Read the labels, even the itty bitty print.

These additives can cause digestive upset. It may not be chicken per
se that is causing him problems, but what's been added to it.

To get his 'tummy' in order, you could fast him for a day, and dose
with Slippery Elm Bark Powder, to soothe and reduce inflammation,
before resuming a normal diet;
"This is a good innocuous herb that soothes the stomach and digestive
system. If you feel you need to intervene when your dog has loose
poops or constipation, this is the way to go. SEBP is âœused to treat
diarrhea, constipation, enteritis, colitis & irritations of the
stomach. Used to soothe, protect & lubricate mucous membranes. Also,
used to relieve the discomforts of kennel cough & other types of
bronchitis.â
http://fiascofarm.com/herbs/supplements.htm
I use 1 tsp of SEBP to one ounce of ground or chopped chicken. Mix
together and shape enough meatballs for several days doses, and freeze
them. They thaw quickly. For small dogs, divide in Â½ ounce meatballs,
for large to giant dogs, 1 ounce meatballs. Feed 1 with each meal. Or,
fast for a day, (not for pups, fast for just a meal or two) offer
plenty of water. Feed SEBP meatballs 3-4 times throughout the day.
Feed smaller, more frequent meals for several days after, gradually
increasing the meals and decreasing the SEBP meatballs. You will often
see an increase in mucousy poops with SEBP, this is part of the way it
soothes the digestive system, and the dogâ™s body will do the same
sometimes even without SEBP."

You might want to print out the information in the following archived
post, and websites. It can be helpful to review and refocus your
feeding philosophy and plans, especially since you have come through
so many stages of mixed feedings. The Lis List can help you find cheap
or free sources of protein variety.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/141374

post # 141374

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

http://rawfeddogs.net/Recipes

I DON'T recommend that you limit water intake, or feed yogurt. He may
benefit from probiotics or digestive enzymes, but try these few things
first.
1) Fast for a day, offer plenty of fresh water and even low sodium
broth. Dose with Slippery Elm Bark Powder, as above.
2) Feed only UNenhanced chicken, if chicken is what you can afford
right now.
3) Trim all visible fat, and skin.
4) Feed 2-3 smaller meals a day, for a week or two. If he only eats
1/2 of a leg quarter a day, then cut some meat with gristle from it
for 2 meals and feed, then feed the part with the bone for another meal.
5) Try to source some variety - leaner meats when possible, or trimmed
if not.
6) Make very sure no one is feeding him processed treats or snacks of
any kind.

His poop may become firmer, or stay soft, or alternate, thats OK.
Boneless meals will produce soft stool. But he should not refuse to
eat unless not hungry, or have a hard abdomen. Try to determine if he
is hardening his 'tummy' in anticipation of your probing - most Schips
I know don't take to prodding kindly, but will turn over in your lap
for a chest scratch and belly rub. If he is generally himself,
drinking, playing, doing all the things he usually does through out
the day, and is only 'upset' at mealtime, he may be feeling your or
your mom's anxiety about it.

You may have to go back to 'potty training 101', if Comet has been
having accidents in the house. More frequent potty outings, less
freedom of the house, until he goes when and where he is supposed to
go again.

TC and let us know how Comet does!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

My mom's dog (Schipperke, 8 y/o, altered) has been having poop
issues.
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1. do you all think this is a variety problem, being that their main
diet is chicken?
2. how do I correct the "bloating" problem? someone suggested
probiotics/or yogurt?
I know variety is key, and we do our best.

thanks all in advance,
kelly, zeke(I'm fine mommy, wheres my chicken??) and comet, (ugh, my
tummy hurts, sorry I made a mess on the floor)

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