[rawfeeding] Digest Number 12096

There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
From: ginny wilken
1b. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
From: Morledzep@aol.com
1c. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
From: T Smith
1d. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
From: susan holbeck
1e. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
From: Denise Strother
1f. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
From: Karen Swanay
1g. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
From: john payne

2a. Re: no poop is it time to panic?
From: Shannon Hully

3a. How long to let new puppy go without food?
From: rareimer1979
3b. Re: How long to let new puppy go without food?
From: merril Woolf

4a. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
From: Cdandp2@aol.com
4b. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
From: sarahfalkner
4c. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
From: Karen Swanay

5. Frustrated and cannot find any answers
From: Steffani Martino

6. coughing and bloody stool
From: Carol Garnaat

7a. Re: Raw Tripe Score!
From: merril Woolf

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1a. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:43 pm ((PDT))

On Sep 29, 2007, at 8:22 PM, aqualitybeagles wrote:

> Can anyone give me examples of Pit Bulls being fed a raw diet who are
> not ferocious killers? Or is my father right? They are very
> experienced and responsible dog owners, but they have never owned a
> Pit Bull.

Oh, geez, no. These guys are dogs, like any other, and respond to
gentle training. They have a strong desire to please, and will pick
up on whatever is encouraged, however subliminally. Treat them nicely
and you will have great dogs. As has been said here many times, a
dog's prey drive is totally independent of what is fed.

Examples? My big old couch potato Tomo, raised in kindness, switched
to raw at four, now 12, has never had much prey drive. He'll eat his
chicken in plain view of "his" chickens in the yard. He leaves them
alone, preferring not to be bothered by them - he simply turns and
walks away if they come up to him. My girlfriend's two dogs, related
to him and also rawfed sweeties who bother nothing. And any number of
lovely pit bulls owned by folks on the list, who eat with their
packmates in perfect harmony.

I hope your parents prove their experience and responsibility by
feeding this dog properly and not worrying about how "different" she
is - because she's not.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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1b. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:39 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 9/29/2007 8:45:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
aqualitybeagles@yahoo.com writes:

Can anyone give me examples of Pit Bulls being fed a raw diet who are
not ferocious killers? Or is my father right? They are very
experienced and responsible dog owners, but they have never owned a
Pit Bull.

Laura,

first and foremost.. Pit bulls are DOGS.. there is nothing new or different
about them.

Pit bulls are NOT terrible mean vicious dogs.. They are loving, loyal and
devoted family members. They have been bred to be naturally aggressive towards
other dogs, this can NOT be trained out of them, but it CAN be controlled. And
a pit bull should NEVER show aggression towards a human being... ever.

I have a raw fed pit bull, he's been raw fed for 4ish years now (can't
remember if it's 4 or 5 years.. lol). He's still the same sweet guy, slightly
older, but no worse for wear. At 11 years old he still doesn't have a single grey
hair and if you didn't see the little fatty cyst on his rear leg you might
think he's still a pup. He doesn't bounce as high, but he still bounces very
well (i'm sure your parents will find out sooner rather than later that pit bulls
have springs).

Catherine R.

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1c. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
Posted by: "T Smith" coldbeach@gmail.com lhasaspots
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:17 am ((PDT))

I would think anyone experienced would know that a diet doesn't make a dog a
blood thirsty killer :-)
i wish i could help you but i am new to raw; I know that raw won't do that.
i do hope others can help you.
Take care
Trina

On 9/29/07, aqualitybeagles <aqualitybeagles@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hello I am a member of this list since around April 07. I breed and
> show beagles. I am very happy with my choice to switch to a raw diet.
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> However, my parents just adopted a VERY young Pit Bull puppy (younger
> than I would have liked, but that is beside the point and beyond my
> control). She has only had wormer so far (Thank God) and has been
> weaned onto crapinabag. She is mostly my mother's dog, my mother has
> seen the results of my feeding a raw diet and is ALL for feeding her
> new Pit Bull baby what is best for her - RAW! But, my father has this
> idea that feeding her a raw diet will make her blood thirsty and mean!
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> Can anyone give me examples of Pit Bulls being fed a raw diet who are
> not ferocious killers? Or is my father right? They are very
> experienced and responsible dog owners, but they have never owned a
> Pit Bull.
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> Is there anything different from feeding a raw diet to any other dog
> breed that I should be aware of?
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> Thanks, Laura Peters
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1d. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
Posted by: "susan holbeck" nu1edie@yahoo.com nu1edie
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:18 am ((PDT))

Oh my Gosh I laughed so hard when I read this! I have a Pit Bull and a Rottweiler both on RAW and let me tell you that these 2 are as gentle and non threatening as a new born kitten! I work at a k-8 school and my dogs are with me from time to time. The kids sit on them, lay with them, pull their ears, you name it! I did have one guy ask me this a few weeks ago. He is adverse to the whole raw thing anyway, but he was especially uneasy about the Pit on Raw. Same thing... Blood thirsty! Tell mom and dad to relax! Good luck to them!

Susan, Oz and Enda (the blood thirsty pit!)

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"But, my father has this
idea that feeding her a raw diet will make her blood thirsty and mean!"

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1e. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:19 am ((PDT))

I have a two year old Pitbull that was rescued off the street after
being hit by a car at about 5 mos old. She is rawfed and has been
since she came to me at about 9 mos old. My other two dogs are 5lb
Chihuahuas. They eat loose on towels and I have often seen one of the
Chi's actually standing with their rear end under her belly. My son's
girlfriend's 7lb Chi is here more often than not. I run a dog daycare
and she goes 5 days a week. I take her to the dog park also. Several
of my neighbors have outdoor cats that come in my yard regularly. If
we go outside and there's a cat there she will chase it if it runs,
but I can call her and she stops and comes to me. BTW, my yard isn't
fenced so it's not like she couldn't just keep going after it. If the
cat doesn't run, she doesn't do anything. I have even fostered kittens
that had to be bottle fed until they were old enough to wean. Does
this sound like a ferocious killer? Pits are usually high energy dogs
and plenty of exercise is very important for them. Bad behavior can be
contributed to by the frustration that lack of proper exercise causes.
These are very people oriented dogs usually. Lavender thinks she is a
45lb lap dog. Denise

Can anyone give me examples of Pit Bulls being fed a raw diet who are
not ferocious killers? Or is my father right? They are very
experienced and responsible dog owners, but they have never owned a
Pit Bull. Is there anything different from feeding a raw diet to any
other dog breed that I should be aware of?

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1f. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
Posted by: "Karen Swanay" luvbullbreeds@gmail.com kswanay1111
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:52 am ((PDT))

Just weighing in. I've had one APBT(rescued froma pit fighter BTW) , who
was older than everyone thought and I lost to cancer about 5 yrs ago, she
was raw fed. I had two American Staffordshire Terriers, Tank was raw fed
but I lost him to cancer too just a few months ago. Yeager was the first
dog I've owned that was raw fed from puppyhood. He's 4 now. He grew SLOW
and beautifully. Laying down muscle easily. He has a perfect gait,
beautiful head, amazing neck and shoulders. Looking back at his pictures,
he didn't have that ugly teenage phase because he grew slowly the way nature
intended.

How's his temperament? He's a certified therapy dog, he's a service dog and
CGC. He alerts to seizures and panic attacks. He plays with and is bossed
around by an 11 lb mini daschund. They both eat raw. We also have birds,
cats, and fish here. Everyone is alive and well. Yeager has been jumped 3
times by other dogs when we've been on walks. I *know* he could have torn
these dogs apart but he didn't. The urge to fight is NOT always there in
these dogs. The potential is there, but not all pits want to fight and not
all labs like water. Not all beagles give a hoot about rabbits either.

Feed the pup raw and tell your parents to worry more about socializing her
and how they vote than what her diet might do based on myth.

Karen and Yeager

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1g. Re: Should a Pit Bull be fed a Raw Diet?
Posted by: "john payne" brendajohn2823@yahoo.com brendajohn2823
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:36 am ((PDT))

we have 2 pit bulls and they have been raw feed for 2 yrs now. 10 grandkids and family members and friends are around them all the time. The lady across the sttreet comes and feeds them when we are out of town, which is alot. Our male AM Bulldog weighs 138lbs and hes bigger then her!!A funny story, last year i was @ the meat market and was talking to the clerk about raw feeding and this guy was orderinf from another clerk and he must have over heard me telling my clerk the dogs were pitbulls. and he looked @ me and proceeded to tell me the dogs were going to turn, they tasted blood etc, and finally i said, excuseme but i just heard you ordering 50 lbs of hot dogs for your kids cuz the love to eat them RAW?? I then told him chances of his kids turning on him was alot greater then my dogs turning on me!! He cracked up laughing and said yea you're right. I still see this guy there and just last week he was telling me that his 13 yr old son is in trouble @ school and home all
the time, wont listen, etc. I told him it's those raw hotdogs!!!
on a note, the lady who feeds our dogs has 2 little ankle biters and she started raw,and her one dog will rip your throat out if you so much as walk by her while shes eating her food. I did on day and this dog jumped up on the back of the couch with a piece of a chicken wing in her mouth and was growling at me..badly!! Both our dogs have been taught from day 1..even when eating K****e..that we can at any time take they're food away. So they are use to a hand reaching for their food just in case.
Brenda

Karen Swanay <luvbullbreeds@gmail.com> wrote:
Just weighing in. I've had one APBT(rescued froma pit fighter BTW) , who
was older than everyone thought and I lost to cancer about 5 yrs ago, she
was raw fed. I had two American Staffordshire Terriers, Tank was raw fed
but I lost him to cancer too just a few months ago. Yeager was the first
dog I've owned that was raw fed from puppyhood. He's 4 now. He grew SLOW
and beautifully. Laying down muscle easily. He has a perfect gait,
beautiful head, amazing neck and shoulders. Looking back at his pictures,
he didn't have that ugly teenage phase because he grew slowly the way nature
intended.

How's his temperament? He's a certified therapy dog, he's a service dog and
CGC. He alerts to seizures and panic attacks. He plays with and is bossed
around by an 11 lb mini daschund. They both eat raw. We also have birds,
cats, and fish here. Everyone is alive and well. Yeager has been jumped 3
times by other dogs when we've been on walks. I *know* he could have torn
these dogs apart but he didn't. The urge to fight is NOT always there in
these dogs. The potential is there, but not all pits want to fight and not
all labs like water. Not all beagles give a hoot about rabbits either.

Feed the pup raw and tell your parents to worry more about socializing her
and how they vote than what her diet might do based on myth.

Karen and Yeager

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2a. Re: no poop is it time to panic?
Posted by: "Shannon Hully" summerwolf@theherbalhotline.com bluehankw
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:16 am ((PDT))

We just got our dog (a Greyhound) two weeks ago today and switched
him immediately to raw. He didn't poo for three and a half days
after the switch and I was starting to wonder if I should start to
worry (LOL) but he wasn't acting like he had to go so I kept my
calm. He went and I figured that things would start being on a daily
basis. (after all, my raw-fed cats go daily and my GSD who we lost
earlier this year, went twice a day on raw ('course he had a
digestive disease) so I figured that was a reasonable assumption.)

Well, he goes once every... 1.5-3 days still! It's amazing to me, he
doesn't seem in any discomfort and once every few days he has a poo
the size of what a kibble-fed dog has twice a day! LOL

It's all good, relax and enjoy. ;-)

As for refusing the food, I'm sure you've read it before but you need
to be the one who decides what she does and does not eat and when.
As she lacks opposable thumbs the only way she can make you do it her
way is if you give in to her demands. ;-)

Shannon H.

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> > no poop for 4 days.. then very small poop..(one 3 in long fairly
dark, then
> > 2 in long softer much lighter color) and then i think its cause
i ON
> > PURPOSE gave her 1 cup cows milk.
> >
> > she is refusing meat with bones.. wants only ground up meat. and
has no
> > poop.. (but has strong appetite for ground up foot. or solid meat
with no
> > bone in it.. )
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3a. How long to let new puppy go without food?
Posted by: "rareimer1979" rareimer@gmail.com rareimer1979
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:19 am ((PDT))

Hi all...I just got my little pug puppy (Ozzy) today, and I think I'm
in love. :) He is 8 1/2 weeks old, weaned from his mother at 6
weeks, and was fed ki**le for the remaining 2 1/2 weeks until he came
here. I had planned to feed him raw, so that's all I have on hand.
Tonight I offered him a chicken thigh without the skin, and I ribboned
it a bit to make it easier for him to eat, even cut a little chunk off
for him as well. He was very eager to eat it, dove right in and
worked on it, but actually never ATE much, if any. He sure tried
though! I offered it to him again later, and he tried again, but
still didn't actually consume any, I don't think.

Do I just keep trying until he gets it? He is pretty small, and he is
interested and determined, but I'm not sure he's able to do it (yet.)
I know it's okay to let older dogs go 5 days or more without food
until they get it, but how about an 8 week old puppy? Should I offer
it to him cut up at first, or should I keep doing what I'm doing until
he figures it out?

Thanks!

Robyn & Ozzy (who loves his raw meat, if only he could figure out how
to eat it.)

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3b. Re: How long to let new puppy go without food?
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:38 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "rareimer1979" <rareimer@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all...I just got my little pug puppy (Ozzy) today, and I think I'm
> in love. :) He is 8 1/2 weeks old, weaned from his mother at 6
> weeks, and was fed ki**le for the remaining 2 1/2 weeks until he came
> here. I had planned to feed him raw, so that's all I have on hand.
> Tonight I offered him a chicken thigh without the skin, and I ribboned
> it a bit to make it easier for him to eat, even cut a little chunk off
> for him as well. He was very eager to eat it, dove right in and
> worked on it, but actually never ATE much, if any. He sure tried
> though! I offered it to him again later, and he tried again, but
> still didn't actually consume any, I don't think.
>
> Do I just keep trying until he gets it? He is pretty small, and he is
> interested and determined, but I'm not sure he's able to do it (yet.)
> I know it's okay to let older dogs go 5 days or more without food
> until they get it, but how about an 8 week old puppy? Should I offer
> it to him cut up at first, or should I keep doing what I'm doing until
> he figures it out?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Robyn & Ozzy (who loves his raw meat, if only he could figure out how
> to eat it.)

Robin,

NOt sure what breed he is or how much he weighs, but sounds to me he is too small to
actually rip off the meat in edible chunks.
When I've had a litter of pups that were having trouble getting enough food off the bone, I
either ground the meat/bone or offered cut up or scraped meat.
Scraped meat is meat that has been scraped off the bone with a knife.

Everyone has to feed young pups on whatever learning curve the pup is on. Some pups
are little monsters and will devour whatever you throw at them. Some are small with small
mouths that need a bit of help.

Your pup sounds like he's hungry and healthy so he might just need some extra help with
his food. Don't be afraid to cut or scrape his food for him. Some boneless meals are fine
while he is getting used to the raw. Depending on what breed his is, he might need help
for another couple of weeks. Maybe even longer if he's a toy dog.

Don't have this little guy go hungry because he can't get enough meat off the bone. You
might also try him on rib-in chicken breast meat. Ribs are very soft and pliable and easier
to eat than thighs plus they have lots of meat on them.

Let us know how it works out.

Merril

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4a. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:25 am ((PDT))

I'm in the same boat, so to speak. But when I woke up to what I was
supporting by purchasing dry food manufactured for my dog....everything got easier.
I just try as best I can to either purchase "humanely" raised meat (rarely
because I'm poor so I set $1.99/.lb as a general limit but I've gone higher
for a real deal)...or find ready to toss meat at a local Natural Foods Market
(the but meat is mostly conventional)...and sometimes I buy organ meat at the
local Spanish market (also conventional but no one else has organ meat around
here). It's been quite a practice to handle to meat and really think about
it's origins and to extend gratitude to the animal who possibly suffered and
certainly died to nourish another.

I've been mostly vegan (totally vegetarian) for over 17 years. I took this
on as a way to open my mind and heart and understanding and not be so
"precious" about my position. It's helping in all kinds of ways.

Meanwhile, one can work on behalf of the ethical treatment of farm animals
(PETA haters don't go bonkers here). Other countries have laws that support
animal husbandry in their farming industries. We can do better.

Meanwhile, my little guy gets raw meat and at least I have SOME knowledge of
it's quality/origins as opposed to what goes into the commercial dog food.

Nice to have someone else who struggles with this dilemma too.

Carol for spencer

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4b. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
Posted by: "sarahfalkner" Sarah.Falkner@gmail.com sarahfalkner
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:52 am ((PDT))

> designlmc <designlmc@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My dilemma is this: I do not shop chain supermarkets as I do not want to
> support agribusiness and hormone, antibiotic-laden meats. Conversely, I
> cannot afford to buy extraordinarily priced free range meats at our
> health food market.
>
> Anyone else face this dilemma? I don't have problems handling meat (I
> was a meat eater for many years). How do you resolve this ethical
> situation?
>
> Many thanks,
> Laura

Hi Laura,

I just wanted to say that I'm in total solidarity with you! I see by now other people have
already pointed out some great affordable ways to get meat that doesn't support what
you don't want to support, all I have to add is that connecting with local small-scale
farmers and hunters is a great part of increasing sustainability and resisting agribusiness.
I have local farmers I've met at the farmers' market save the cheap bits they might
otherwise not do much with--they don't usually sell the ox hearts, but they save them for
me and my cats.

And like someone else said, even just disengaging from the pet food industry also is a
major ethical/political act/statement.

I don't know who you're feeding and how much meat you need, but I visited a wonderful
nonprofit Big Cat sanctuary in Indiana, EFRC, and affording meat was a huge issue for
them, with 180 large-scale carnivores to feed; they fed a combo of inexpensive or donated
animals from local farmers, like, dairy cows who weren't giving milk anymore, or cow, goat
and horse pets who died of old age; and road kill, which can be safe and appropriate. To
me, that's all also reducing consumption, and making the best use of available resources.
So if you have a big freezer, you might want to look into that route, too.

All the best,

Sarah
supervised by felidae Henry and Ivan, and mustelidae Quercus and Ilex

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4c. Re: Political Vegetarian comtemplating changing to "raw"
Posted by: "Karen Swanay" luvbullbreeds@gmail.com kswanay1111
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:11 am ((PDT))

I think many struggle with it. However, at the moment you (rhetorical you)
the Vegan, Vegetarian, whatever, decided to bring a carnivoire into your
home, you accepted responsibility for it's life and well being. That's the
choice YOU made. Marytr yourself for your beliefs but do not make your
carnivoire suffer a life of sickness and malnutrition because you want to
make a point. We are in the AF now, but in 7 yrs we will be out and we will
start a family farm. The animals will be raised naturally, in sunlight,
protected from the elements, have their every need seen to, and know
contentment until that moment when they are killed as humanely as possible.
Until that time I do what I can but I don't look into the eyes of my dogs
and say "too bad buddy...you have to sacrifice your body for my political
belief system." Do what you can when you can while doing the best you can
for your dog.

Karen

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5. Frustrated and cannot find any answers
Posted by: "Steffani Martino" yahoogroups800@earthlink.net floridasun5
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:10 am ((PDT))

Ok, so I know there have been several "I feel like giving up" threads
lately, but add me to the list. While I have been really trying to avoid
trying to go back to finding a really good, high quality pet food, it seems
as if feeding raw has become more and more of a hassle for my 2 dogs. I
have been feeding raw for almost a year.

Firstly, I am having a harder and harder time finding non-enhanced meat
because both of my dogs have been suffering allergies majorly and Ive pretty
much ruled out any environmental or household irritants, so I know it must
either be the type of meat, or the fact that it has been injected with
something. I get most of our meat from the supermarket and a local meat
market and it seems as if EVERYTHING now is enhanced! I cannot afford to
pay prices for organic meats, nor do I have the time to be going all over
town to hunt it out as I am recently married to my new business! I've even
tried the local co-op foods, but they have a very limited selection and one
of my dogs does not like the ground stuff, so its not worth the time or
price. So, one of my dogs seems to only have allergies to certain types of
meat and is very un-picky...she will eat anything, which is good. The other
dog seems to have allergies to everything and anything and IS picky. I know
that picky eaters are made, however its frustrating when your "child" does
not want to eat for days at a time, so I usually give in, in addition to not
having the time play games over food. My boy dog has just never gained the
interest in raw meat and enjoyment in eating that his sister has. Between
the constant itching all over and runny eyes, Im frustrated that my dogs are
not as "seemingly" healthy as they seemed before on pet food. I dont know
what is in the pet food that prevents or even hides these issues, but my
dogs didnt suffer on kibble. So, as of right now, the only advantage that
I am seeing to feeding raw is their clean teeth!

In addition, just to cover all bases, I have tried numerous homepathic
remedies. I have tried simple things such as oatmeal baths, lavender, itch
sprays, etc. My dogs have not been vaccinated in over a year, nor have they
been given any medications, etc. that are not natural products.

Does anyone have any further recommendations for me? I am really in need of
answers now. Thanks for any help.

Steff with Glory and Freedom

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6. coughing and bloody stool
Posted by: "Carol Garnaat" cgar88@ameritech.net sewnchine
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:37 am ((PDT))

Hello all,
I've just started my 12lb Daschund and 8.5lb Yorkie on raw feed about 2
weeks ago. They love it! I have been feeding chicken leg quarters, cut to
their 2% of ideal weight amounts. The daschund gets a couple small Wellness
brand biscuit treats in the morning. The Yorkie likes to beg for lunch meat
bits in the late evening, scratching at the refrig for me to get her some.
Neither is interested in dry kibble any longer.

I have several questions.

1) My daschund started hard coughing early evening last night. He coughed
through the night and is still coughing this morning. He does not cough
anything up. This morning, he refused his small biscuit that he begs for
every morning when I get on the computer. The coughing makes me think
perhaps this could be bone lodged somewhere. Any advice as what to do? He
seems fine other than the coughing (and refusing his morning biscuit).

2) My Yorkie passed stool with blood in it last night and this morning. The
stool has gelatinous looking parts, and was stringy. Advice on this would
be appreciated.

3) They seem to be hungry, wanting more. I am watching their weight and
have no weight loss, so I think I am feeding sufficiently. Do others
experience this "hungry" attitude?

Any and all advice will be greatly appreciated!
Carol in Mid-Mich

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7a. Re: Raw Tripe Score!
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:37 am ((PDT))

> A while ago I got a bucket of goat guts and while it may have been a
> small goat and the young sheep in question may have been a big young
> sheep, there wasn't that much stomach to deal with. It is not a cow
> production at all. I heaved the bucket contents over the fence and let
> my three retrievers eat of it and everything disappeared promptly
> except for the stomach contents, which was picked at but not devoured.
> The stomach tissue itself was nibbled away from the ddigesta.
>
> I suspect there will be little processing required with a young lamb's
> stomach.
> Chris O
>

Yes, goat and sheep guts are not that large and if you have a few hungry dogs, it's worth
your while to do just as Chris did.

We do the same thing and my pack will actually devour the entire thing -even the green
stuff. But then, group feeding will usually do that. On the other hand, when I feed a
whole cow stomach they will leave a big green pile of green stomach contents. I usually
spread it around on the grass or garden for fertilizer.

Merril

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