[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11958
There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: HELP! PLEASE ANSWER THE BOTTOM QUESTIONS, PLEASE!
From: Yasuko herron
1b. Re: HELP! PLEASE ANSWER THE BOTTOM QUESTIONS, PLEASE!
From: coriowen
1c. Re: HELP! PLEASE ANSWER THE BOTTOM QUESTIONS, PLEASE!
From: cmhausrath
2a. Slippery Elm powder-Cats?
From: Penelope Quillen
2b. Re: Slippery Elm powder-Cats?
From: Giselle
2c. Re: Slippery Elm powder-Cats?
From: Casey Post
3a. Re: stumped my vet
From: Rebecca Little
3b. Re: stumped my vet
From: darkstardog
3c. Re: stumped my vet
From: Sandee Lee
3d. Re: stumped my vet
From: Morledzep@aol.com
3e. Re: stumped my vet
From: darkstardog
3f. Re: stumped my vet
From: steph.sorensen
4a. Re: The Constipation has started...
From: mandajenwalker
4b. Re: The Constipation has started...
From: Sandee Lee
4c. Re: The Constipation has started...
From: Laurie Swanson
4d. Re: The Constipation has started...
From: tottime47
4e. Re: The Constipation has started...
From: mandajenwalker
4f. Re: The Constipation has started...
From: mandajenwalker
4g. Re: The Constipation has started...
From: mandajenwalker
5a. Re: Slippery Elm powder
From: Giselle
6a. Why not to feed raw with kibble
From: ptmagi
6b. Re: Why not to feed raw with kibble
From: tottime47
6c. Re: Why not to feed raw with kibble
From: costrowski75
6d. Re: Why not to feed raw with kibble
From: cmhausrath
6e. Re: Why not to feed raw with kibble
From: cmhausrath
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1a. Re: HELP! PLEASE ANSWER THE BOTTOM QUESTIONS, PLEASE!
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:51 pm ((PDT))
>We feed probiotic to all our horses and it comes in a powder form for them,
HI,Cori. I have gotten powder probiotic before and,when my dog had poo prob,I used it but it worked not good on mine.Something in it did not agree with my dog and it made much worse.
So, I am currently using liquid probiotic from
For mine,it worked like bang! I am happy with that. I don't give probiotic daily basis though.Only when my dog has poo prob,I use it.
Others on this list are using Slippery Elm powder and,I am planning to use it next time or after finishing up this bottle just to see which works better on mine.
I don't know if you were following my posts from couple of days ago,but my dog got quite bit of doggy treats from neighbor and incidentaly,that day was second day from introducing her new protin Duck and next morning,she had soft poo wrapped in mucous and afternoon,watery poo...
She usually go poo once a day,but from that day on,she took me for poo at 2am etc and it was so bad.
So,after I saw mucous poo, next time I fed Duck ,I fed without fat skin with probiotic and she woke me up 2am for goey poo and so, I was wondering if probiotic is improving her system or not but,after 1 day without pooing,today,she had nice pinky sized poo.Still end was sort of wet side but much improved.
I am thinking,too much fat from neighbors' treat andfat from Duck made worst poo history in her rawfed days.
So,it is your choice but,probiotic or Slippery Elms should work fine for watery or uncontrolable diarrhea.
If you are just having trouble with looser stool,add more bone to it and it will be ok.
>can feeding these girls some plain yogurt work just as well
I think that too much diary also cause digestive prob too.In fact,probiotic is non diary and just friendly bacteria in it.Mine has to be kept in fridge.If you are feeding Yogurt,stop feeding it. It may also help getting your dog better.
>she proceeded to eat the whole thing. The older one just doesn't seem herself at all.
If you go back list archive,you will find plenty of maltiple dogs' feeding ways.Unfortunately,I have 1 dog only so,I cannot give any suggestion on that other than,if your dog swallow meat,thengo get the whole chicken and cut up to portion and feed.
That would prevent whole swallowing gulper and better to feed that way not parts by parts.
>She seems dull
My dog palettewas also seemed dull (she has never experienced this bad diarrhea after switching to raw),so,I just gave her and make sure she drinks water well because dehydration is not good.
Just let her rest and let her take nap till she gets fine.My guess isthat if you had to take your dog out number of times,the dog could not sleep well and maybe tired too.
Today,my dog is perky,and looks normal palette.
If diarrhea was real real bad,then, you considar fasting them and let the tummy rest is good too .
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1b. Re: HELP! PLEASE ANSWER THE BOTTOM QUESTIONS, PLEASE!
Posted by: "coriowen" COwen98@aol.com coriowen
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:48 pm ((PDT))
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Catherine,
I was not intending to yell, I was just trying to pinpoint what I
needed because I tend to get long winded on posts and usually give
way too much info. I realize this is a free site and I was and am
thankful for all info from everyone. It's not just frustration it's
painful to watch your dogs feel uncomfortable especially one that is
usually always upbeat and right now she is not, at all. I just went
through losing my 14 year old Dachshund in July to a looong battle
with back surgery and then seizures and it was stress times 100! Her
last day was so incredibley painful we finally had to make the
decision to let her go after all those weeks of her and us fighting
to help her make it. She was VERY healthy before her back went out
in May and then in a matter of 2 1/2 weeks she went down so, I am
getting a bit concerned and upset seeing my two year old not only not
be able to have much of a bowel movement but also not be herself.
Forgive my hastiness and pressure it has been a tough summer and I am
ready for them to feel good and be HEALTHY. BTW, this same Dachshund
broke out with a terrible staph infection during the time of my
elderly Dachshund's illness and she has had itchy skin and goopy eyes
ever since, so I thought even after being treated with antibiotics
and visibly the staph was gone, she never came back to 100% so I was
getting worried that I might have done this to her while her immune
system is down. I just get very worried about my girls. Like I have
said before, my big girls, Mastiff and Doberman, are doing great on
the changed diet! =)
Cori
> ****i understand your frustration.. but no good can come from
yelling at
> folks that are trying to help you. >
> We are all willing to help, but we aren't getting paid to do so,
this list
> and participation on this list is entirely voluntary. No one here
owes you
> anything.
>
> Olga was very nice and very patient with you, and she asked for
what you are
> feeding. I'm going to ask the same thing, i don't have access to
the list
> archives to find the post that you claim is there.. and i don't
have time to
> look, even if i could access it.
>
> If you want help, it's just easier to answer the questions.
>
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1c. Re: HELP! PLEASE ANSWER THE BOTTOM QUESTIONS, PLEASE!
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:13 pm ((PDT))
"coriowen" <COwen98@...> wrote:
> I just went
> through losing my 14 year old Dachshund in July to a looong battle
> with back surgery and then seizures and it was stress times 100!
<snips>
> I am
> getting a bit concerned and upset
<more snips>
> BTW, this same Dachshund
> broke out with a terrible staph infection during the time of my
> elderly Dachshund's illness and she has had itchy skin and goopy
eyes
> ever since,
Cori, this might not be your problem at all, but I wanted to at least
raise it as a possibility: you seem to have had a very stressed-out
summer (and I'm very sorry for your loss), and it seems to have
already affected your 2-yr-old Dachshund (the staph infection). I
also go through high-stress periods, and I have FINALLY, after
putting myself through a lot of misery (and expense at the vet's),
learned that MY stress really affects my dog. As in, I get a bit
stressed, he senses it and gets tense himself. His stools get loose
for no reason I can see (since I'm always initially blind to the
stress level) ... I get more stressed because I'm worried about
what's wrong with him ... he starts waking me up in the middle of the
night for potty runs ... I get really stressed about his digestive
stress ... and so on. It is NOT a pretty picture. Add to that sleep
deprivation (both of ours) from running outside all night, and it's
really ugly.
It might be worth at least investigating -- it may be that relaxing a
bit could really help BOTH of you.
-- sandy & griffin (a big doofus, but a sensitive doofus nonetheless)
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2a. Slippery Elm powder-Cats?
Posted by: "Penelope Quillen" copperquillpen@hotmail.com copperquillpen1958
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:52 pm ((PDT))
Can this Slippery Elm be used with cats, also? Or is there something
different that should be used? Penelope L. Quillen
8/25/07 Thank-you.
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2b. Re: Slippery Elm powder-Cats?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:05 pm ((PDT))
Hi, Penelope!
Dunno.
I've never had the need to dose a cat with SEBP.
You can join raw cat at: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawcat/
and ask them.
You could maybe ask at; http://fiascofarm.com/ especially if you're
planning to order from her.
Might be a job getting them to eat it, or wrestling it into them. ; )
Although, my mother's old Siamese would eat anything if you mashed it
up into sardines or mackerel.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
> Can this Slippery Elm be used with cats, also? Or is there something
> different that should be used? Penelope L. Quillen
> 8/25/07 Thank-you.
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2c. Re: Slippery Elm powder-Cats?
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:46 pm ((PDT))
>
> Can this Slippery Elm be used with cats, also? Or is there something
> different that should be used?
Penelope,
Yes, it can -
http://www.felinecrf.org/holistic_treatments.htm#SEB
But one should always look to see if dietary tweaking is needed for long
term solutions.
Casey
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3a. Re: stumped my vet
Posted by: "Rebecca Little" pbgs@delhitel.net canucme278
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:53 pm ((PDT))
Just so you are aware its german shepHERD.
Rebecca Little
Peakes Brook German Shepherds
http://sites.centralpets.com/mammals/peakesbrookgsd/index.html
From: "DebiC" <dcole6@satx.rr.com>
> Then I asked her the difference between German Shepards and Wolves. She
said one was Canis lupus familiaris (Domestic dog) and the other was Canis
lupus nubilus (Great Plains Wolf)
> I then asked her what the difference in their nutritional needs. She said
Wolves are carnivores and dogs are omnivores. I asked her if she looked at
a skeleton if she could tell the difference between a GS and a wolf. She
said probably not. Then I asked why is one an omnivore and one a carnivore,
they're both canis lupus. She couldn't answer that.
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3b. Re: stumped my vet
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:54 pm ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
>
> Actually the gray wolf is canis lupis familiaris, just in case you
want to continue this conversation with your vet!! :))
>
I don't think that's correct. The dog is a different subspecies from
the gray wolf.
Marty
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3c. Re: stumped my vet
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:30 pm ((PDT))
Ooops...sorry, Debi. I did look this up but misread! The gray wolf is
Canis lupus, dogs are a subspecies Canis lupus familiaris.
Sandee & the Dane Gang
From: "Sandee Lee" <rlee@plix.com>
>
> Actually the gray wolf is canis lupis familiaris, just in case you want to
> continue this conversation with your vet!! :))
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3d. Re: stumped my vet
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:48 pm ((PDT))
In a message dated 8/25/2007 1:55:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,
darkstardog@charter.net writes:
I don't think that's correct. The dog is a different subspecies from
the gray wolf.
Marty,
nope.. grey wolves and domesticated dogs are the exact same species.. all
domesticated dogs are just selectively inbred grey wolves.
Catherine R.
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3e. Re: stumped my vet
Posted by: "darkstardog" darkstardog@charter.net darkstardog
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:31 pm ((PDT))
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Morledzep@... wrote:
>
>>In a message dated 8/25/2007 1:55:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>> darkstardog@... writes:
>>>I don't think that's correct. The dog is a different subspecies
>>>from the gray wolf.
>
>
> nope.. grey wolves and domesticated dogs are the exact same
>species.. all domesticated dogs are just selectively inbred grey
>wolves.
>
I didn't say they weren't the same species - I said they weren't the
same subspecies.
But I said it wrong. I shouldn't have said dogs are a different
subspecies from the *grey wolf* because I guess that name goes for the
whole species. But I think it's the case that dogs are different
subspecies from wolves categorized by subspecies, such as Canis lupus
lupus (the European grey wolf) or Canis lupus lycaon or Canis
lupus nubilis etc, in whatever way the species Canis lupus is
currently classified. Maybe it's more complicated than I think though.
Marty
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3f. Re: stumped my vet
Posted by: "steph.sorensen" steph.sorensen@yahoo.com steph.sorensen
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:21 pm ((PDT))
You know, considering that most species are split into subspecies due
to geographical location alone, I am so surprised that someone with
an extensive scientific education wouldn't question that dietary
requirements may be similar in these two subspecies, since so many
other species that have subspecies fall into a similar pattern
anatomically and in regard to their biological requirements.
-Steph
w/ Scarlet, Lucy and Minkey (the kitty)
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "DebiC" <dcole6@...> wrote:
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> Raw Feeding for dogs and cats!I have a very nice vet who insists
that dogs are omnivores. I don't know where this came from but she
really believes it.
>
> Then I asked her the difference between Jack Russells and Gerrnan
Shepards in their nutritional needs. She said mainly the amount.
They both need the same foods.
>
> Then I asked her the difference between German Shepards and
Wolves. She said one was Canis lupus familiaris (Domestic dog) and
the other was Canis lupus nubilus (Great Plains Wolf)
> I then asked her what the difference in their nutritional needs.
She said Wolves are carnivores and dogs are omnivores. I asked her
if she looked at a skeleton if she could tell the difference between
a GS and a wolf. She said probably not. Then I asked why is one an
omnivore and one a carnivore, they're both canis lupus. She couldn't
answer that.
>
> I didn't actually win, but I set her thinking.
>
> Debi Cole
>
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4a. Re: The Constipation has started...
Posted by: "mandajenwalker" walker1031@chartermi.net mandajenwalker
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:59 pm ((PDT))
Yes, Sandee,
I do feed twice a day. Is it too early to introduce other meats?
Such as pork? She seems to be taking very well to it. Louie and hank
on the other hand are not taking well to the diet in general. Louie
can't comprehend how to eat it. He was good the first day and after
that he tries to eat it for a minute and goes and lays down and leaves
the meat in the bowl. Hank too!
Thanks Sandee,
Mandy
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Mandy,
>
> Are you feeding twice a day? If so, feed one meal with bone, one
without.
> I would feed just meat for her next meal.
>
> You can add a little bit of organs but don't overdo it or you may end up
> with the opposite problem! :)
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "mandajenwalker" <walker1031@...>
>
>
> My female bull terrier (Evie) has been eating
> chicken quarters and is now pooping very hard little nuggets. While
> pooping these little nuggets she is crying as if it hurts her.
> So my question is, do I get organs and give her a little while cutting
> back on the chicken quarter? Or do I give her boneless while
> eliminating the quarter for a little bit and maybe adding a little
> organ?
>
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4b. Re: The Constipation has started...
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:34 pm ((PDT))
Mandy,
I don't see any problem with adding in a bit of pork as long as she is doing
well. There is no magic length of time to feed chicken. If she seems to be
digesting well, try it.
Have you tried warming the food, cutting into it, quickly searing,
sprinkling with Parmesan, etc. for those guys? Might make it more
appetizing.
Sandee & the Dane Gang
From: "mandajenwalker" <walker1031@chartermi.net>
I do feed twice a day. Is it too early to introduce other meats?
Such as pork? She seems to be taking very well to it. Louie and hank
on the other hand are not taking well to the diet in general. Louie
can't comprehend how to eat it. He was good the first day and after
that he tries to eat it for a minute and goes and lays down and leaves
the meat in the bowl. Hank too!
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4c. Re: The Constipation has started...
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:37 pm ((PDT))
Hi Mandy,
Some dogs need help figuring out this new stuff is food. You might
want to try feeding on the floor, on a towel or blanket, or outside--
instead of a bowl. That might be confusing. Sorry if you've said what
you're feeding already, but I can't remember. If it's anything other
than a bit of organ or some chopped boneless meat, a bowl isn't the
best. Most of what I feed wouldn't work in a bowl. My dog has to move
it around, hold it down with his paws, etc. You can also slice into
the meat, making it more appealing, or change the presentation in some
way. If they still don't get it, you might sear it a little or add
parmesan cheese or something. But I'd try the other ideas first.
Laurie
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mandajenwalker" <walker1031@...>
wrote:
Louie
> can't comprehend how to eat it. He was good the first day and after
> that he tries to eat it for a minute and goes and lays down and leaves
> the meat in the bowl. Hank too!
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4d. Re: The Constipation has started...
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:38 pm ((PDT))
Hi Mandy,
Since she's new to raw, I'll vote for the cutting back on bone..
Just don't cut out all the bone at once. If you feed her twice a day
make one boneless and one about half the usuall amount
and if you feed once a day then every other day bone, maybeabout 1/2
the usual amount.......
Make sure she has plenty of water to drink and if she isn't drinking
as much and you can feed in the house add a little to some of her
meat so it extra juicy.
I cut a few little chuncks off and put in a bowl and add water as
mine don't seem to drink enough on their own and I've noticed their
stools seem drier when I don't.
Hope this helps.....
Carol, Charkee & Moli
This is day 3 of raw. My female bull terrier (Evie) has been eating
chicken quarters and is now pooping very hard little nuggets. While
pooping these little nuggets she is crying as if it hurts her.
Mandy
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mandajenwalker" <walker1031@...>
wrote:
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4e. Re: The Constipation has started...
Posted by: "mandajenwalker" walker1031@chartermi.net mandajenwalker
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:20 pm ((PDT))
Thanks Carol,
I appreciate all the advice from everyone.
I am going to try giving all the dogs a little chicken breast and I
tried pork. I hope that helps. Like ya said a little less bone to
start out with.
I have noticed that she isn't drinking as much water since she started
raw. I will try that too and see if that and cutting back on the bone
will help.
Thanks again,
Mandy
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:
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> Hi Mandy,
>
> Since she's new to raw, I'll vote for the cutting back on bone..
>
> Just don't cut out all the bone at once. If you feed her twice a day
> make one boneless and one about half the usuall amount
> and if you feed once a day then every other day bone, maybeabout 1/2
> the usual amount.......
>
> Make sure she has plenty of water to drink and if she isn't drinking
> as much and you can feed in the house add a little to some of her
> meat so it extra juicy.
>
> I cut a few little chuncks off and put in a bowl and add water as
> mine don't seem to drink enough on their own and I've noticed their
> stools seem drier when I don't.
>
> Hope this helps.....
>
> Carol, Charkee & Moli
>
>
> This is day 3 of raw. My female bull terrier (Evie) has been eating
> chicken quarters and is now pooping very hard little nuggets. While
> pooping these little nuggets she is crying as if it hurts her.
> Mandy
>
>
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mandajenwalker" <walker1031@>
> wrote:
>
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4f. Re: The Constipation has started...
Posted by: "mandajenwalker" walker1031@chartermi.net mandajenwalker
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:20 pm ((PDT))
Well I bought some pork and tried that and it was a BIG hit with all
of the dogs. They loved it!
Louie is having a lot of trouble with the bone though. Could it be
just too much for his little mouth? I know pugs have goofy jaws. He
tries to eat it but just can't grasp the concept.
Hank is still a little funny with the chicken even seared he dropped
it and ran....
I am gonna try feeding them in the basement and see if having free
reign to eat where they wish will help. They keep trying to carry it
into the living room on the carpeting.
Thanks everyone,
I appreciate the input!
Mandy
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mandy,
>
> Some dogs need help figuring out this new stuff is food. You might
> want to try feeding on the floor, on a towel or blanket, or outside--
> instead of a bowl. That might be confusing. Sorry if you've said what
> you're feeding already, but I can't remember. If it's anything other
> than a bit of organ or some chopped boneless meat, a bowl isn't the
> best. Most of what I feed wouldn't work in a bowl. My dog has to move
> it around, hold it down with his paws, etc. You can also slice into
> the meat, making it more appealing, or change the presentation in some
> way. If they still don't get it, you might sear it a little or add
> parmesan cheese or something. But I'd try the other ideas first.
>
> Laurie
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mandajenwalker" <walker1031@>
> wrote:
> Louie
> > can't comprehend how to eat it. He was good the first day and after
> > that he tries to eat it for a minute and goes and lays down and leaves
> > the meat in the bowl. Hank too!
>
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4g. Re: The Constipation has started...
Posted by: "mandajenwalker" walker1031@chartermi.net mandajenwalker
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:23 pm ((PDT))
yes tried all of the above.
I am gonna try giving them the food in the basement where I don't care
so much about raw food being on the floor.
Cross your fingers for me.
thanks
Mandy
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
>
> Mandy,
>
> I don't see any problem with adding in a bit of pork as long as she
is doing
> well. There is no magic length of time to feed chicken. If she
seems to be
> digesting well, try it.
>
> Have you tried warming the food, cutting into it, quickly searing,
> sprinkling with Parmesan, etc. for those guys? Might make it more
> appetizing.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "mandajenwalker" <walker1031@...>
> I do feed twice a day. Is it too early to introduce other meats?
> Such as pork? She seems to be taking very well to it. Louie and hank
> on the other hand are not taking well to the diet in general. Louie
> can't comprehend how to eat it. He was good the first day and after
> that he tries to eat it for a minute and goes and lays down and leaves
> the meat in the bowl. Hank too!
>
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5a. Re: Slippery Elm powder
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 3:40 pm ((PDT))
Hi, Yassy!
I don't know how it should be stored. I have it in a plastic
zippy bag in my kitchen. I should probably look into storing it
better, though. I used it use it pretty frequently for my IBD dog,
Perky. Since Bea seems to have a cast iron stomach, I don't use it
much now.
If I were you, I'd order the smaller size. It lasts quite a long time.
Herbs do age and lose their potency, here's a link;
http://gardening.about.com/od/vegetablepatch/a/DryingHerbs.htm
"Storing Dried Herbs
1. Store your dried herbs in air tight containers. Zip closing bags
will do. I like to use small canning jars.
2. Be sure to label and date your containers.
3. Your herbs will retain more flavor is you store the leaves hole
and crush them when you are ready to use them.
4. Discard any dried herbs that show the slightest sign of mold.
5. Place containers in a cool, dry place away from sunlight.
6. Dried herbs are best used within a year. As your herbs loose
their color, they are also loosing their flavor.
7. Use about 1 teaspoon crumbled dried leaves in place of a
tablespoon of fresh "
and here;
http://www.1articleworld.com/Article/How-To-Store-Dry-Herbs-And-Spices/71813
"Purchase dried herbs and spices in small quantities that you can use
up in reasonable amount of time. Store them in a tightly sealed
container in a cool place out of direct light. They will retain more
of their essential oil content and flavor when stored in glass jars or
metal tins. Direct sunlight will fade the color and reduce the quality
of your herbs and spices so store them in a dark cupboard. Also try
not to store them above the stove or near other heat sources as heat
will degrade the quality as well."
I think I'll double bag my supply and put it in the freezer.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
> Thanks, Giselle. So, do you keep it in fridge or freezer too or room
temp is OK to store?
>
> Is it unlimited shelf life?
>
> Palette is looking little perky today and I feel better. She
didn't do poo yesterday so, I think things are improving.
>
> Neighbor came our house with pasta salad in return for my Thai
Shrimp Curry I brought them yesterday. He brought couple of ...
sausage flavored doggy biscuit again.
>
> I put palette way back from entrance so that she would not get the
treats, and politely I told him I can't take it due she has tummy prob
now.I did not speak about feeding specifically but, I turned the
biscuit down.
>
> Giselle, I think I order through the site you put the link in post
all the time.
>
> Thanks for your reply
>
> yassy
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6a. Why not to feed raw with kibble
Posted by: "ptmagi" ptmagi@gmail.com ptmagi
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:52 pm ((PDT))
When I mentioned I was feeding alternating meals of raw and kibble a
number of folks here piped up to say I shouldn't be doing so, but
other than one of those saying it caused digestive upset in her own
dogs, no one offered a concrete reason for that advisement that I
could wrap my brain around. Well, I think I found a very solid,
concrete reason and am posting it here for the possible education of
others like myself who come here for information but also need
REASONS! (I just really need to understand the WHYs before I can be
convinced of anything and know there are lots more like me out there.)
To that end, this site
http://www.mountaindogfood.com/HealthCare/Salmonella.htm
opened my eyes. For those who hate to follow links and read through
lengthy articles, I'll try - in my very non-scientific-minded way - to
sum it up VERY SIMPLISTICALLY...
The pH level in a dog's stomach is key. Raw meat does often contain
salmonella (and other icky stuff). But salmonella needs a minimum pH
4 to grow. An informal study showed that when raw meat was added to a
solution of pH 1 (akin to a dog's stomach), the pH level gradually
rose and leveled off at pH 3 after 6-1/2 hours. (Raw meat is fully
digested within 4-6 hours.) When kibble was added to a pH 1 solution,
the pH level rose to about 5.75 after 6-1/2 hours - a much more
opportune environment for bacterial growth (bloom). Also, carbs stay
in a dog's digestive system for 8-12 hours, so even if the kibble and
raw are fed at different meals, if you're feeding three times a day
(as I am) it's likely that the pH level will remain constantly high
enough to encourage bacterial growth. This last inference is my own,
but it seems logical. Even if my logic is flawed though, on another
page at MountainDogFood.com they offer the following warning:
"NEVER FEED A MIX OF RAW FOOD AND DRY COMMERCIAL FOOD! If you insist
on feeding a dry food separate them into two meals and feed the raw in
the morning, the dry a night. Even then the problems may occur due to
other circumstances."
So, I guess I really dodged a bullet (or our poor Atticus did) several
times last week when I was sprinkling ground beef on top of his kibble
and/or feeding alternating meals of kibble and raw chicken quarters.
Knocking-on-wood… he hasn't shown any ill-effects yet anyway.
Deb in CO
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6b. Re: Why not to feed raw with kibble
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:31 pm ((PDT))
Hi Deb,
That's great detective work! It makes sense to me too..
I will be filing it away for future references.....
Carol, Charkee & Moli
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "ptmagi" <ptmagi@...> wrote:
> So, I guess I really dodged a bullet (or our poor Atticus did) several
> times last week when I was sprinkling ground beef on top of his kibble
> and/or feeding alternating meals of kibble and raw chicken quarters.
> Knocking-on-wood… he hasn't shown any ill-effects yet anyway.
>
> Deb in CO
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6c. Re: Why not to feed raw with kibble
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:02 pm ((PDT))
"ptmagi" <ptmagi@...> wrote:
> I'll try - in my very non-scientific-minded way - to
> sum it up VERY SIMPLISTICALLY...
*****
This is FAR too complicated a rationale. The reason one should not
feed raw with kibble is that kibble is a inferior foodlike substance.
There should have to be no more explanation that that.
Feeding raw with kibble dumbs down the benefits of raw and does nothing
to increase the virtue of kibble.
Chris O
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6d. Re: Why not to feed raw with kibble
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:04 pm ((PDT))
"ptmagi" <ptmagi@...> wrote:
> When I mentioned I was feeding alternating meals of raw and kibble a
> number of folks here piped up to say I shouldn't be doing so
While it's great that you found a reason that makes sense to you, I
think it bears repeating that there's a much simpler reason not to feed
raw with ki**le: crapinabag is simply NOT appropriate food for
carnivores.
Period.
Mixing it with raw dumbs down the raw, and doesn't improve the
inappropriateness of the ki**le. If it helps some folks transition to
full-on raw feeding, good for them -- but that still doesn't make the
ki**le appropriate.
-- sandy & griffin
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6e. Re: Why not to feed raw with kibble
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:17 pm ((PDT))
Chris O wrote:
> Feeding raw with kibble dumbs down the benefits of raw and does
> nothing to increase the virtue of kibble.
And simultaneously I wrote:
> Mixing it with raw dumbs down the raw, and doesn't improve the
> inappropriateness of the ki**le.
Now if only I'd waited a moment, I could've just let Chris O say it
once, instead of sounding like a parrot.
-- sandy (squaaaawk!) & griffin (oooo, parrot, I've never had that!)
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