[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11948

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Greetings!
From: S.R. Sudekum

2a. Re: need help trying to figure out what to feed
From: Denise Strother

3a. HUGE PROBLEM!!! I need all of the help I can get!!!
From: Kathy

4a. Re: Mucousy poop;Is this from too much treats??
From: Andrea
4b. Re: Mucousy poop;Is this from too much treats??
From: Yasuko herron

5a. Re: Bone & organ diversity help needed! 6 questions
From: Giselle

6a. Re: Venison Organs/Parts & First Rawfed litte
From: Tina Berry

7a. Re: Chicken gizzard
From: Yasuko herron
7b. Re: Chicken gizzard
From: costrowski75
7c. Re: Chicken gizzard
From: Giselle
7d. Re: Chicken gizzard
From: Yasuko herron

8.1. Re: turkey legs
From: delcaste
8.2. Re: turkey legs
From: delcaste
8.3. Re: turkey legs
From: costrowski75
8.4. Re: turkey legs
From: costrowski75

9. Diabetes and Raw Feeding
From: doguenanny

10a. Re: Hey y'all!
From: delcaste
10b. Re: Hey y'all!
From: Giselle
10c. Re: Hey y'all!
From: Olga
10d. Re: Hey y'all!
From: Yasuko herron

11a. turkey wings safer?
From: Felicia Kost
11b. Re: turkey wings safer?
From: Giselle
11c. Re: turkey wings safer?
From: Olga

12a. Re: fatty meats question
From: pelirojita

13a. Should I be worried?
From: tobyfwest

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1a. Greetings!
Posted by: "S.R. Sudekum" ssudekum@centurytel.net fassue
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:46 am ((PDT))

Hi everybody! I'm new here, and thought I'd chime in! I started feeding
my dogs raw back in 2001 & have been doing it ever since, despite
getting The Lecture from my old skool veterinarian ("YOU wouldn't eat
raw chicken, would you???"). The transformation in the dogs was so
amazing that I've been sold on it since the beginning. Self-cleaning
teeth, slick shiny coats, bright eyes, more energy and playfulness,
quicker-healing (My old Blue Heeler-X had ACL surgery & the vet was
amazed at how quickly she healed up!), better-smelling dogs & breath.
IMO, the added expense of buying the food is nothing compared to the
money I've saved in vet bills. Finally, after 5 years of this, my old
skool vet had to admit yes, the dogs WERE looking good, lol

The bulk of what I feed is chicken leg quarters with back/spine
attached, so they get lots of good muscle tissue, plus bones, plus
skin/fat, and the wonderful organ bits caught in the pelvic area, but
they also get pork ribs, pork neck bones, beef bones, fish, and whatever
happens to come along. I agree with those who say "Relax", it's not
important to get the perfect balance in every single meal. YOUR meals
probably aren't perfectly balanced either, yet you're still here. It's
what you feed over time that counts.

Last weekend I added a 7 month old Pembroke Corgi boy to the pack, and
this is the youngest dog I've ever fed raw to. He took to it immediately
and looks forward to meals (what dog doesn't!). His coat was dry and
dull, and he had the beginnings of scale forming on his new teeth
(already!)...but even this quickly the scale is gone, and I'm looking
forward to him blooming with a soft, shiny coat in a few weeks!

Really enjoying this group, looking forward to more Young Dog advice!
Thank you!

Sue, Leela (12 yr Dalmatian), BillyBob (8 yr old Pemmie) and Ebenezer (7
mo old Pemmie)

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2a. Re: need help trying to figure out what to feed
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:46 am ((PDT))

Debbi
You are making rawfeeding way to hard on you and incorrectly for
your dogs. Did you read any of the info you received when you joined
the group? If not, you should. It will answer a lot of the questions
you asked and some you haven't yet. Until you get a chance to read
it: Get rid of your grinder, your dogs are well equipped to eat for
themselves and will derive dental and physicall benefits from eating
chunks of food. Get rid of the vegetables, dogs are carnivores who
eat animals that eat plants. The only supplement you need to feed a
healthy dog with no endocrine issues is salmon oil or fish body oil.
You don't need to feed these oils if you are feeding plenty of grass
fed animals. I'm jealous if you are able to BTW. Change the older
dogs over too. Just get a few whole chickens, unenhanced if
possible, whack them into feeding size pieces and give them to the
dogs. 2-3% of the dogs appropriate adult weight for starters and
adjust as needed for each dog. A 50 lb dog could start at 2% which
is 1lb a day or about a quarter of a chicken. So unless your dogs
are or will a good bit above or below 50lbs, 1 good sized chicken a
day, should feed all of your dogs to start. Go back and look at the
websites provided on the home page for this group and check out the
archives. You'll be glad you did. Denise

I'm new to this group my name is Debbi and I have 4 standard poodles.

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3a. HUGE PROBLEM!!! I need all of the help I can get!!!
Posted by: "Kathy" xanadu8@insightbb.com aresblue2000
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:48 am ((PDT))

I would get them tested for UTI and go from there. Is your male intact or neutered? At 7 months he is an adolescent, possibly becoming sexually mature, and he may be a bit jealous of his new little sister. I also agree with whoever said to consider the extra water content of raw food. They may need to pee more often. It would be nice if it were a simple medical issue instead of a behavioral one, but I can't see how it could be the diet.
Good luck!
Kathy L.

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4a. Re: Mucousy poop;Is this from too much treats??
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:32 am ((PDT))

I'm not sure if the mucous is a result of the treats, maybe Palette
just ate a particularly boney part of the duck during one meal. On
the occasions that my pups get too many treats they end up with loose
stool, not usually with mucous. After the transition period I only
see mucous in the pup's stool after they've eaten a lot of bone. In
either event, you're right, its nothing to worry about.

FWIW, there are some times that I don't allow people to give my boys
treats. In order to not offend them I tell a white lie and say that
they are highly allergic to many grains, so thank you but no treats
for them. But since treats are just treats, I let friends and family
treat as they please. After all, my boys are rediculously cute, how
could you not want to give them food?

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:

> she got bit softer poo with some moucous in it although it has all
> shaped.
> I am wondering if this because my neighbor gave too much treats
to my dog..

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4b. Re: Mucousy poop;Is this from too much treats??
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:56 am ((PDT))

Palette went to 1 more poo time after last time poo. This time,the poo was some nudget with yellowish liquid and finish with clear juice a second coming out from her butt.

She used to be even loose poo,just going 1 poo a day or two but,3 time a day and 2 out of 3 poo are like this seems ..make me think if she is diarrhea even though she has no accident in the house.

1st Duck meal was with Duck neck(I fed it as first introductory from inside the bird because it has no fat on it so,easy on her I thoght),and her poo last evening on walk was good one.

I was thinking too much treats in one time was causing this but I am sort of doubting if the portion that I fed (Duck piece;under the wing to up of the leg;more like breast and back rib area) had more than enough fat than she could handle..

After the good poo yestreday,she had neighbors treats,Duck I fed,and Elk heart,Beef liver+kidney,Fish oil.

I may try fat off and see how she does.

Definitely something wrong.. because potty she went 8am,10:30am and 3rd one was 12:30pm. 8am was ok poo,and 10:30am was firmed poo with mucous wrapped and 3rd one was the one finish with clear juice from butt..

yassy

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5a. Re: Bone & organ diversity help needed! 6 questions
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:38 am ((PDT))

Hi, Sarah!
NPs, and YQW!
Let us know how you and the kitty boys get on!
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Sarah!
> > Source for whole prey for small carnivores;
> > http://www.livefoods.co.uk/index.php?cPath=24
> > TC
> > Giselle
> > with Bea in new Jersey
> >
>
> Hi Giselle, thanks SO MUCH for taking the time and attention to
answer my many questions,
> and I'll check this link out asap!
>
> Sarah

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6a. Re: Venison Organs/Parts & First Rawfed litte
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:40 am ((PDT))

"Well, deer hunting season has begun again here in SC and we brought home
our first deer tonight. I have the lungs, liver, heart, kidneys, brain,
eyes, shoulders, neck w/trachea, and the carcass "

Sounds like lot of organs, heart is a muscle so feed as much as you want of
htat. The shoulders/neck is there a lot of meat on them? and the carcass?

You want to average 80% meat, 10% bone, 10% organs approximately, doesn't
have to be exact or every meal, just over time.

"Also I now have my first rawfed litter here. Is there anything I should NOT
fed her while she's nursing?" No, just follow the above statement.

"When should I offer meat to the babies?"

When they start stealing moms dinner around 4 weeks LOL at 4 weeks mine
played with chicken wings but didn't eat much of them. But I started them
on ground heart and goats milk for a week, then on to chicken breasts at
around 4-4 1/2 weeks (maybe 5) but anyway, you can figure it out with
experimenting with chicken wings, but the ground stuff I started at 4 weeks.
--
Tina Berry - MT
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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7a. Re: Chicken gizzard
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:16 pm ((PDT))

Hi.I was reading up old list post and I found this interesting explanation of chicken gizzard.It is sort of muscle bag in bird and It is very interesting that the rock the chicken ate becomes sort of teeth role in our understanding and grind up things the birds ate.

Now,I am feeding chicken gizzard 1 in a week,but i wassort of wondering if it has any nutritious benefit to feed it other than my dog likes it.

Do you all stock up your freezer with gizzard too like other meats you stock up?

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7b. Re: Chicken gizzard
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:37 pm ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
> Now,I am feeding chicken gizzard 1 in a week,but i wassort of
wondering if it has any nutritious benefit to feed it other than my dog
likes it.
*****
Gizzards are no more or less special than any other muscle meat you
might feed. They certainly do not need to limited to one meal a week!
That is to say, you can feed them as often as you come upon them
whether that's frequently or infrequently.

> Do you all stock up your freezer with gizzard too like other meats
you stock up?
*****
Havens no! Gizzards come with whole chickens and if I don't give the
gizzard to the cat one of the dogs gets it. When there are no
gizzards, we go without.
Chris O

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7c. Re: Chicken gizzard
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:01 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Yassy!
I buy and feed chicken gizzards and hearts as meaty meat to
sometimes add to stuff like whole pork neck bones. They are both cheap
for me to buy, so I just add them together.
They are another body part that adds variety to the choices available
to me.

You can go to this website: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
to check on the protein, fat and other nutrients in meat - it lists
bone as refuse, and also some parts as trim that people would normally
not eat, too, so allow for that. And, it lists water content, too.

listings for chicken gizzards, heart, breast (no skin), dark meat (no
skin), and liver for comparison;
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/cgi-bin/list_nut_edit.pl

It also has listings for the 'usual' meats fed, beef, pork, lamb,
fish, but also for rabbit, venison, and also more exotic meats, like
ostrich, emu, bison and beefalo.
TC
Giselle

> Hi.I was reading up old list post and I found this interesting
explanation of chicken gizzard.It is sort of muscle bag in bird and It
is very interesting that the rock the chicken ate becomes sort of
teeth role in our understanding and grind up things the birds ate.
>
> Now, I am feeding chicken gizzard 1 in a week, but I was sort of
wondering if it has any nutritious benefit to feed it other than my
dog likes it.
>
> Do you all stock up your freezer with gizzard too like other meats
you stock up?
>
> yassy

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7d. Re: Chicken gizzard
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:57 pm ((PDT))

>Gizzards are no more or less special than any other muscle meat you might feed. They >certainly do not need to limited to one meal a week!

Hi,Chris. Yes,I know. It is just that I am roatating among chicken gizzard,Turky Gizzard,Beef liver+kidney,Pork liver+kidney etc..so,it ends up 1 in aweek.That is all.

Since I feed it along with hunk of meat like say..Beef steak with gizzard as muscle meat meal etc.., some days are without organs.

I guess after I finish up the bag of gizzard,I think I don't buy the bagful..

thanks

yassy

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8.1. Re: turkey legs
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:17 pm ((PDT))

I think a drum would be a challenging meal, which is a good thing. If
the dog--any dog--cannot or will not eat the bone, that's fine. Often
the joints will be gnawed off; this is also dandy. If you aren't
comfortable with the leg bone, collect it up after your dog has had his
way with the skin and meat.
> Chris O

Hi Chris, I recently bought some turkey drums but they were cut up in
big cheap chunks ;). I have pugs and thought I could feed the turkey
drums with hearts with livers. They are pretty meaty. Should I whack
the bone or is turkey bone also soft like chicken? The grocer told me
it was softer than chicken but I rely on you.

Silvina

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8.2. Re: turkey legs
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:17 pm ((PDT))

> > I can't find turkey necks anywhere any more. Are raw turkey legs
> and wings okay to feed 15 lb dogs or are they too bony for the small
> guys?
> >
> Sure, feed them. I just ordered a case of turkey necks yesterday to
> be picked up Thursday.

And would you feed them with extra turkey/chicken meat; they seem so
bony.

Silvina

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8.3. Re: turkey legs
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:18 pm ((PDT))

"delcaste" <delcaste@...> wrote:
> I recently bought some turkey drums but they were cut up in
> big cheap chunks ;). I have pugs and thought I could feed the turkey
> drums with hearts with livers. They are pretty meaty. Should I whack
> the bone or is turkey bone also soft like chicken?
*****
Turkeys are older than chickens; their bones are not as soft. Turkey
leg bones are often daunting to beginning raw feeders but--whole--a leg
really does offer a nifty bit of struggle and tangle even if the bone,
once naked, is taken away.

Cut into chunks, IMO, turkey legs are just the right size for stupid
eating, even for pugs. Or maybe especially for pugs, since many pugs
do seem to have cheerfully inflated opinions of their size and
ability. I think chunked turkey legs would be too small and too many
sharp edges and maybe even too hard.

But it might be I'm so accustomed to looking at meaty bones for BIG
dogs that I can't properly judge meaty bones for little dogs.

The grocer told me
> it was softer than chicken but I rely on you.
*****
I think he was wrong but I suspect you can do better than to rely on me!
Chris O

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8.4. Re: turkey legs
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:41 pm ((PDT))

"delcaste" <delcaste@...> wrote:
> And would you feed them with extra turkey/chicken meat; they seem so
> bony.
>
*****
They're okay. Not brilliant but no worse than chicken legs. However,
it's not how much bone is there but how much of the bone your dogs
actually eat. A turkey leg from which all the meat is eaten but only
the knobby bone ends is actually a useful meat/bone combination.

Also remember that not every meal must be a harmonious union of meat
and bone. Sometimes a cacophony of meat or bone is just the ticket.
But if you think there's too much bone there, collect it up when your
dogs have had "enough".
Chris O

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9. Diabetes and Raw Feeding
Posted by: "doguenanny" Dixie4911@aol.com doguenanny
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:23 pm ((PDT))

A friend of mine's lab was recently diagnosed with diabetes (she said
it's the insulin dependent type). I have always talked to her about
feeding raw, but she never thought about switching. Until now. I told
her it would be the best thing she could do for her dog, especially
now. I told her I'd try to find some information to send her, but I
haven't found anything yet that talks about how a raw diet can be
beneficial to dogs with diabetes. She's the type of person who will
want to see specifics (or something close to specifics)......can anyone
out there point me in the right direction, or does anyone out there
have a dog with diabetes on raw?

Thanks,

Frankie

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10a. Re: Hey y'all!
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:28 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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> Hi, Dawn!
> YQW!
> Its great to hear how people and their critters are doing.
> btw, cut out the chop bones and toss them out.
> TC
> Giselle
> with Bea in New Jersey

Hi to everyone I'm new, too with a question for Giselle. I often
overlook good buys on pork chops because I have gulpers and the bones
are so cut and sharp. What do you think if I leave the bone but get my
trusty hammer and work on 'em.

Silvina

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10b. Re: Hey y'all!
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:22 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Silvina!
I dunno. ; )
I would hesitate to say yes, only because whacking chicken bones works
because chicken bones are pretty soft to begin with. I would hesitate
about whacking turkey bones for example, too.

Remember, you only need 10% bone in a dog's total diet - that's pretty
easy to do, even for the little guys, especially if you feed chicken.
: )

Boneless meals should form a regular, and pretty large part of your
dog's diet.

If the $$ deal of the pork chops would outweigh the offset of cutting
out the bones and tossing them, I'd say, get 'em! Otherwise, probably no.

Could you get the meat manager to allow you to get an order of
'special' thick cut chops, say, 3-4 chops together? That might be a
better way to go. The market I use has whole and half bone in loin
( link here with pictorial;
http://www.askthemeatman.com/hog_cuts_interactive_chart.htm ) that
they cut to order. I've often thought about getting them, but they're
a bit over my budget for pork, usually about $1.49-1.69 cents a pound.
I would probably feed them, if they were a bit cheaper. But my girl
chews her food very carefully and thoroughly, considering her breed
and size.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New jersey

> Hi to everyone I'm new, too with a question for Giselle. I often
> overlook good buys on pork chops because I have gulpers and the bones
> are so cut and sharp. What do you think if I leave the bone but get my
> trusty hammer and work on 'em.
>
> Silvina
>

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10c. Re: Hey y'all!
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:56 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "delcaste" <delcaste@...> wrote:
> I often
> overlook good buys on pork chops because I have gulpers and the bones
> are so cut and sharp.

Can you get boneless pork chops? Around here, when they go on sale
they usually have bone-in and boneless chops to choose from. Alas,
I've never bought either, because they're still pretty expensive even
at sale price. Even the boneless chops will probably get swallowed in
one gulp though, so I would suggest looking for bigger porky parts.

Olga

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10d. Re: Hey y'all!
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:29 pm ((PDT))

>I would hesitate about whacking turkey bones for example, too.

Hi.I heard that Joyce Chen scissor (red handle or white handle,cost about 20 dollars atamazon.com) works great and I got them.

I just used for Cornish Hen and Duck.Not on Turkey because I already did cut-up before I get it but the scissor worked quite well at least on cornish hen and Duck.

Just a thought .You may be can try with this scissor.

since I did not use on Turkey so,I cannot say it works but,I hear it works great on almost anything.

yassy

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11a. turkey wings safer?
Posted by: "Felicia Kost" saphiradane@yahoo.com saphiradane
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:30 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone,
I was wondering if turkey wings would be a little safer than the legs?The bone seems more easily ediable for my dogs, although less meaty perhaps. They do fine with both, but I know of the turkey bone concerns of some. The also provide a more challenging meal with the folds and such of the wing shape. Just curious! Thanks Felicia

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11b. Re: turkey wings safer?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:42 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Felicia!
It depends on your dog's size and eating habits.

Some dogs will just try to choke anything of a particular size down,
regardless of the shape, or their ability to do so.

A wing, or leg still attached to the turkey, now, thats a horse of a
different color! : )

I would not buy turkey wings, or necks or separate parts if possible;
but take advantage of sales on whole turkeys and allow my dogs to eat
on the whole, or half and decide which bones are edible or not.

Remember, your dogs only need 10% of their total diet to be bone. That
means regularly feeding boneless meals and sometimes feeding body
parts with bones that aren't going to be entirely consumed by the dog.
That's OK. They get the physical, mental and dental exercise they need
by figuring out how to shear meat and connective tissue from those
bones and by nibbling the gristle and softer bone ends. Just toss out
the rest.

If your dog eats all the bone, fine. If he eats some of it, fine. If
he eats all of it, fine. If he horks some bone bits back up, or bits
come out the other end, he probably got too much bone in that meal.
You always have the option of taking the bone from the dog when you
think he has had enough.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Hello everyone,
> I was wondering if turkey wings would be a little safer than the
legs? The bone seems more easily edible for my dogs, although less
meaty perhaps. They do fine with both, but I know of the turkey bone
concerns of some. The also provide a more challenging meal with the
folds and such of the wing shape. Just curious! Thanks Felicia
>

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11c. Re: turkey wings safer?
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:02 pm ((PDT))

My dogs (40 and 75 lbs) have eaten both turkey wings and drums. If
you plan to feed the wings I would be adding gobs of boneless meat to
it. That was the worst case of constipation my dogs ever had!

Nowadays I usually skip the wings and go for the drums. I can feed
them on their own, followed by a meaty meal (instead of having to add
meat to that meal) to balance things out. Plus the drums seem to go
on sale here rarely, whereas the turkey wings never do - I don't know
why, are people actually making wings with those huge turkey wings???

Actually I've gotten whole turkeys with missing wings, so perhaps
there is a turkey wing theft going on, hmm? <end offtopic>

Olga

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12a. Re: fatty meats question
Posted by: "pelirojita" kerrymurray7@gmail.com pelirojita
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:05 pm ((PDT))

Thank you too all who posted.

I'm going to feed big, one day on, one day off. Up the exercise and
add some leaner cuts to the diet and remove large chunks of fat, but
not fat altogether.

I'm going to wait on the thyroid panel for a little while to see if
the above works, as my dog's weight spiked when my son started solid
food (it was just too easy to let the dog clean up after the kid, but
I didn't cut the dog's regular meals in response, and since the humans
in the household are vegetarians he was not eating appropriate food
anyways...lesson learned...), so the cause appears to be unregulated
overeating for a significant period.

Kerry (and Diego too!)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
>
> Have your vet draw blood and do a full thyroid panel and send it to:
> Dr Jean Dodds for evaluation
> http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/diagnostic_testing.htm
> TC
> Giselle
> with Bea in New Jersey
>
> > Mmmkay, those are both good starts -- but so is a thyroid workup.
> > Search through the archives about full-panel thyroid testing (or
> > maybe somebody will repost the info) -- your dog may have a good
> > reason why he's not losing weight.
> <snip>
> > Good luck & please keep us posted --
> >
> > -- sandy & griffin (looking very trim lately, though his mom isn't)
> >
>

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13a. Should I be worried?
Posted by: "tobyfwest" tobyfwest@cox.net tobyfwest
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:29 pm ((PDT))

One of my dogs has had bloody diarrhea and now just blood with little
diarrhea mixed in. Bright red blood. The last meals he's had have
been chicken drumsticks and pork necks. I haven't fed him since last
night (he had this going on before I fed him but didn't realize it).
He's drinking water and running around like normal. This is a 35lb
border collie. He's had this happen before but I don't think it was
this long and this bloody.

Should I be worried yet?

Thanks,
Carolyn

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