[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11942

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Vet disagrees with raw
From: cypressbunny
1b. Re: Vet disagrees with raw
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

2a. Re: Help-10 mo Dane to start on raw
From: Sandee Lee

3.1. Re: Vet wants a low protein diet
From: cypressbunny

4a. Re: Country style pork ribs at Kroger store.......
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

5a. Re: leaving bones with pup
From: Olga

6a. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
From: Sandee Lee
6b. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
From: pelle567
6c. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
From: cypressbunny
6d. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
From: Sandee Lee
6e. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
From: Laurie Swanson
6f. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
From: Sandee Lee
6g. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
From: pelle567

7a. Re: pork country style ribs (was: shopping the ads)
From: blechatlb@aol.com

8a. Re: New to Group and Raw-Feeding Experience
From: tottime47
8b. Re: New to Group and Raw-Feeding Experience
From: costrowski75
8c. Re: New to Group and Raw-Feeding Experience
From: Peggy
8d. Re: New to Group and Raw-Feeding Experience
From: Peggy

9a. Re: Need reassurance
From: eyed_blue

10. Re: PUPPY FEEDING/Was Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
From: Sandee Lee

11. Newbie reassurance & questions
From: Mary Whetsel

12a. Re: Does it matter?
From: carnesbill
12b. Re: Does it matter?
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

13a. Re: Probiotics, again
From: tottime47

14a. Turkey legs
From: jennifer_ricotta

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1a. Re: Vet disagrees with raw
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:25 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "luvthegsd" <kdnhs@...> wrote:
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> He told me to buy a dog food with the smallest number of
> ingredientts. Well, I thought to myself, raw food, 1 ingredient, has
> to be best, but I didn't say that to him.

*** Too bad, it would probably have produced an interesting look on
his face. That gave me a chuckle.

--Carrie

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1b. Re: Vet disagrees with raw
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:45 pm ((PDT))

Kris,
You got it, 1 ingredient, and then add some luvin!
The vets all over say the same and we hear it all the time. And they don't get salmonilla, they can handle the bacteria, so no worries, so can we.:) And the reasons wolfs don't live long in the wild, (I have a friend that does wolf rescue here in Ca) is that man kills them! Not the animals they eat! All the wolfs I have seen on the rescue ranch, are healthy and out living all of us:)
Keep up the faith, you're doing a great job, and the problem cleared up, it was probably bad kibble, and you know the vet couldn't answer that one for you either:) But all kibble is bad in my book. Yep, my dogs are domesticated, and they are carnivores, like they are supposed to be, and my vet thinks they are omnivores, but we agree to disagree, because otherwise, he's a good vet. And he see's that my dogs are in great shape and health.
Don't usually have to worry about freezing meat, except to keep it for long periods of time, because the parasites, don't bother the dogs, or us, and the meat you do freeze like fish and fresh kill, venison, elk, stuff you get from other than the butcher, dogs can handle too. The fish is one I'm not good at, but others can tell you about, there are some concerns with mercury and things, but geeze he didn't say anything about that? Nope. But most fish is ok, because the stuff we normally get our dogs is people grade from grocery stores or butchers. Already fda approved, so if it's good enough for people, why wouldn't we feed it to our dogs? And for them, raw is better, so we want them to have the best, so we give it to them! You're doing great, keep it up. We love you!
Jeni

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2a. Re: Help-10 mo Dane to start on raw
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:27 pm ((PDT))

Great decision to get this pup on an appropriate diet. Getting started is
easy....buy a few chickens, cut into quarters, hand to pup. Feed him 2-3%
of his expected adult weight per day. Once he has adjusted to digesting the
chicken, you will slowly begin adding in other protein sources and some
organs.

The key to a healthy diet is providing a variety of animal parts and protein
sources, but for now don't worry about that. Just get him started and read
the list messages and archives. You might want to look at some of these
sites.....
http://rawfed.com
http://rawfeddogs.net - check out the recipe section :)
http://www.rawmeatybones.com

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "karimlizette" <karimlizette@gmail.com>

I have a 10 mo dane, Bronco and want to start him on raw. He has been
on Nutro & Eagle Pack and just developed folliculitis. Previously, when
about 6 mos he had puppy mange. With everything that has been going on
with the dog food industry I feel like I have made a wise choice. Is
there someone with Dane experience that can help me get started. I am
worried about his health and want to do the right thing.

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3.1. Re: Vet wants a low protein diet
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:28 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, cooniefish@... wrote:
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>
> He told me that the hills diet has branched chain amino acids
which the liver
> can handle better than aromatic amino acids and on and on. He
really does have
> his own reasoning.

*** He is right about the BCAAs being better than AAAs for the
liver. Funny how vets can be so educated and so clueless at the same
time. Next time he mentions it, you could mention that as a rule,
meat has more BCAAs than non-meat sources, and fewer AAAs. So, stick
to raw meats for the sake of your dog's liver, lol. Of course, AAAs
are essential amino acids for the dog, so we wouldn't really want to
completely exclude them from the diet.

*** If it wasn't so harmful to the poor animals that eat their
products, I would be constantly amused at the breakthroughs that
Hill's continues to make--things that nature already knew and
provided.

--Carrie

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4a. Re: Country style pork ribs at Kroger store.......
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:29 pm ((PDT))

Whoooohoooooooo for the hubby, he's a keeper!
Jeni

----- Original Message ----
From: tottime47 <tottime@aol.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:34:11 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Country style pork ribs at Kroger store.......

Hi All,

Just had to post this!

Hubby's turning into a hunter too! Yea!

He just brought home a hugh package of country style pork ribs.
Now, I know some say don't buy them as they have small / cut bones,
but these are really something... .....
10 ribs in the package, 6 have NO BONE at all, the average weight of
one rib was over 7 oz and to top it all off, they were on sale/marked
down and he got the whole package for $5!(normal price was $14.69)
I'm sending him out hunting more often, lol...

So shop early, check those meat markdowns and look for meaty ribs!

Carol, Charkee & Moli (bring um on!)

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5a. Re: leaving bones with pup
Posted by: "Olga" olga.drozd@gmail.com olga_d
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:30 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Michael Moore <m-tak@...> wrote:
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> >>I often give my pup frozen bones if I am out for the day - they keep
> her occupied for ages.<<
>
> Okay, this statement has been bothering me, so I'll comment -- IMO,
> puppies and adult dogs for that matter, should be supervised when
> eating bones.

I completely agree with this. I don't watch my dogs eat anymore
(unless they get something really cool, like a pig's head *grin*) but
I keep an ear out and usually wander in and out during their dinner.
You never know what could happen, and I would feel terrible if I
wasn't there.

Olga

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6a. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:37 pm ((PDT))

Hi Katie,

You might want to do an archive search....I know there are several pug
feeders on the list. I would think he should be able to eat chicken bones
with no problem and since edible bone is such a small portion of the diet,
that may be enough bone content.

Just don't fall into the temptation to grind his food! :))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "pelle567" <krjoyner@firstam.com>

I have 2 APBT, a Golden/Beagle mix and my new addition to the family
is a pekingese. He loves his raw food, but he DOES not have the
ability to chew up his bones like my other big kids. Does anyone feed
dogs with flat faces that can give me some tips and hints.

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6b. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
Posted by: "pelle567" krjoyner@firstam.com pelle567
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:07 pm ((PDT))

Thanks so much everyone!!! I'm hitting up Albertsons if I can get
away from work.

Barley (peke; 14wks 11lbs) chews his little heart out, but he
doesn't have any of his adult teeth yet so he's not accomplishing
much. If I give him a chicken foot or a wing (pulled apart) he does
some damage, but only to the flesh. I usually take it from him
after about 20 minutes to check if he's getting anywhere and it'll
just look like someone poked it a whole bunch of times with a dull
pencil; and at that point I cut it up with poultry scissors. He then
precedes to gulps it down...

I've thought of cutting it up to begin but he LOVES trying to do it
himself, so I feel kind of bad if I don't at least give him the
opportunity to try.

I guess basically I'm trying to figure out if there are others out
there feeding raw to there smooshed faced dogs with success.

Katie

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6c. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:27 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "basilbourque" <wildbasil@...>
wrote:
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> Costs between $3 to $4 per pound, including delivery.

*** Wow, that's a lot to spend on dog food, I think.

> For occasional treats, I have been getting beef back ribs for
$2.50/lb from Whole Foods
> Market, also known as Whole Paycheck. ;-)

*** Wouldn't other types of whole meats make more sense than Darwin's?
Would be cheaper, and would leave out the unnecessary veggies, plus
offer more challenge at meal time, more dental benefits, and be
healthier overall. Why pay more for less?

*** And, by the way, there are members in my buying group that do
Darwin orders monthly at a 15% discount. Better than kibble I suppose,
although I still don't get it.

--Carrie

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6d. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:29 pm ((PDT))

Oh, he's only 14 weeks???? In that case you might want to try smashing the
bone a bit. Chicken breasts have nice soft bones and lots of meat....that
might be a good option. You also can "ribbon" the meat to make it easier
for those little teeth!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "pelle567" <krjoyner@firstam.com>

Barley (peke; 14wks 11lbs) chews his little heart out, but he
doesn't have any of his adult teeth yet so he's not accomplishing
much. If I give him a chicken foot or a wing (pulled apart) he does
some damage, but only to the flesh. I usually take it from him
after about 20 minutes to check if he's getting anywhere and it'll
just look like someone poked it a whole bunch of times with a dull
pencil; and at that point I cut it up with poultry scissors. He then
precedes to gulps it down...

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6e. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:41 pm ((PDT))

Oh, the peke is just a baby! :-) That explains it! I don't think
that's so much a brachycephalic issue, but just his age and size. I
haven't fed a puppy prey model (mine was on pre-packaged raw). I would
suggest bone-in chicken breast, though--those are the smallest/softest
bones other than fish or maybe some parts of rabbit. Again, though, to
me, it doesn't really sound like it has much, if anything, to do with
him having a smashed face. I think he will do fine as he grows and
learns how to eat. You might need to make it a bit easier for him for
now, though. Maybe some more experienced puppy feeders will chime in.

Btw, I haven't verified the Albertson's sale, but the original poster
thought it started yesterday or today, so you probably have almost a
week to get there!

Laurie

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6f. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:00 pm ((PDT))

That's a pretty penny to pay for a ground up mixture over which you have no
control of ingredients (30% of which is inappropriate for a carnivore) or
ratios of meat/bone/organs (most often high in bone, lacking meat). You have
a big dog...feed big food.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "basilbourque" <wildbasil@pobox.com>

I have been quite happy for over a year feeding my big dog prepared frozen
raw meals
delivered in styrofoam boxes by the local Seattle company Darwin's Natural
Pet Products.
http://www.darwinspet.com/

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6g. Re: Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
Posted by: "pelle567" krjoyner@firstam.com pelle567
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:14 pm ((PDT))

++++MOd note: please ensure all emails are signed ++++++++++

Oops; I mean 16 weeks! But yes he's a baby baby...the ribboning idea
is super (I searched it). I'll pick up some breasts tonight; he'll
have that instead of his turkey tail. :)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Oh, he's only 14 weeks???? In that case you might want to try
smashing the
> bone a bit. Chicken breasts have nice soft bones and lots of
meat....that
> might be a good option. You also can "ribbon" the meat to make it
easier
> for those little teeth!

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7a. Re: pork country style ribs (was: shopping the ads)
Posted by: "blechatlb@aol.com" blechatlb@aol.com blechatlb
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:18 pm ((PDT))

**Those are good if you de-bone them. The bones are too small for most dogs, and cut into sharp, pointy pieces--could be a choking/poking hazard. :-) **
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I feed country pork ribs all the time to my three (145 lbs, 100 lbs and 70 lbs) and have never had an issue at all. They love them.

TracyB?

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8a. Re: New to Group and Raw-Feeding Experience
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:43 pm ((PDT))

So did you throw out the Pedigree and feed the maggots?
They're full of protein, lol.

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> You know what grossed me out? Seeing a seething pile of very healthy
> maggots atop an opened can of Pedigree dogfood grossed me out.
> Chris O

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8b. Re: New to Group and Raw-Feeding Experience
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:21 pm ((PDT))

"tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:
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> So did you throw out the Pedigree and feed the maggots?
> They're full of protein, lol.
*****
Um, I mentioned that to the PetSmart associate after showing him
Exhibit A. I don't believe the kid was amused. I don't think he knew
what I was talking about.
Chris O

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8c. Re: New to Group and Raw-Feeding Experience
Posted by: "Peggy" peggy070605@sbcglobal.net speakingforfurry
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:31 pm ((PDT))

EEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww. None of the cans were open, and I'm
trying to give all of the stuff away for free on Craigslist.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:
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> So did you throw out the Pedigree and feed the maggots?
> They're full of protein, lol.
>
> Carol, Charkee & Moli
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@> wrote:
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> > You know what grossed me out? Seeing a seething pile of very
healthy
> > maggots atop an opened can of Pedigree dogfood grossed me out.
> > Chris O
>

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8d. Re: New to Group and Raw-Feeding Experience
Posted by: "Peggy" peggy070605@sbcglobal.net speakingforfurry
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:38 pm ((PDT))

***EDITED BY MODERATOR. PLEASE TRIM YOUR MESSAGES.***

Hey Sandee,

Oh, no, I meant no transition from Kibble to Raw. I am feeding them
chicken, so I'll do it for a week. I noticed their stool was more
healthy looking from the chicken w/bones. After the ground beef,
their stool seemed to be soft and runny, so I don't know what that's
all about. But either way, yes, I'm feeding them mostly chicken.
Thanks,
Peg

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Peg,
>
> What do you mean there was no transition?
>
> You may run into problems by feeding too much variety too quickly.
Best to
> feed one protein source for a week or so until they adjust.

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9a. Re: Need reassurance
Posted by: "eyed_blue" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:52 pm ((PDT))

Hi there, Iv just recently started on raw as well and dont have a
large amount of freezer space so cant buy in large (or expensive)
amounts of meat but here are a few tips I have learned over the last
couple of weeks.

Get together with a few people who are pretty much in your area and
buy the meats that are minced with ground bone in them (or other),
sold as a pet food. This way you dont need to buy the whole minimum
order yourself, you can all chip in for the amount you will be
taking home and meet at delivery point to pick up your own parts of
the order and pay back the person who is willing to be invoiced by
the company in cash, I dont know suppliers in your area but if you
check www.landywoods.co.uk you will see the type of supplier Im
talking about. This way you get really good value.

If you go to ASDA (which is Walmart over here)they mark the chicken
etc down if they are out of date the next day (think after 10pm).
They are only £2.00 to start with so pretty cheap. Also in the
freezer dept. you can buy bags of frozen chicken quarters and lamb
mince for about £2.00 a bag. In the fridge isle you can get a 1.5kg
box of chicken wings for under £2.00. I would assume you Walmarts
operate in a similar way.

Also if you are a regular customer of a take-away, restraunt or
other food place they might have a bag of fresh meat trimmings that
will only be getting thrown out anyway, they might give them to you
if you explain they are for the dogs.

My butcher will keep all the bones from a lamb for me that I ask for
if I buy the neck, so even if you are feeding the cheap frozen mince
from supermarket you can make up the bone content by feeding these.
Remember you can freeze bones.

I really hope these tips are of some use to you but please dont let
the pup go for longer than 12 hours without a meal as I dont think
this is healthy when they are growing. The adult dogs can go for 24
hours though.

Hope Iv been of some help,

Natalie

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10. Re: PUPPY FEEDING/Was Anyone feed bracheocephalic dogs?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:55 pm ((PDT))

BTW Katie...here are a few good puppy feeding messages......
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/135757
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/135847
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/137170

Sandee & the Dane Gang
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> From: "pelle567" <krjoyner@firstam.com>
>
> Barley (peke; 14wks 11lbs) chews his little heart out, but he
> doesn't have any of his adult teeth yet so he's not accomplishing
> much. If I give him a chicken foot or a wing (pulled apart) he does
> some damage, but only to the flesh. I usually take it from him
> after about 20 minutes to check if he's getting anywhere and it'll
> just look like someone poked it a whole bunch of times with a dull
> pencil; and at that point I cut it up with poultry scissors. He then
> precedes to gulps it down...

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11. Newbie reassurance & questions
Posted by: "Mary Whetsel" chickiboo@gmail.com cooljavachic
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi all,

I just joined the group and have just started raw feeding my 2 dogs
chicken leg quarters - cheap & seemed like a good place to start.
They have been on this since Sunday night. They are each getting one
leg & thigh twice a day. I started this because my last 2 bags of dog
food gave them both the runs. So, not trusting that anymore here I am
with raw feeding.

So keeping in mind they had issues before starting the new diet, I
haven't been too concerned by the fact that they have diarrhea. The
amounts are smaller though which is nice. Still, I'm wondering how
long I should stay unconcerned. One dog (she's a 100 lb St. Bernard
mix) still has the diarrhea. The other dog (a 85lb rather nervous
golden/newfie mix) seems just fine activity wise and all, but hasn't
gone at all since Monday afternoon. I have read there is less waste,
but is that acceptable?

Also, they do chew the bones, but they do not do a lot of tearing of
the meat. The legs tend to go first are eaten bottom up. But then
they seem to spend a lot of time chewing the thigh up (lots of bone
crunching) and then swallowing it as one big chewed up piece. They
are big enough that this isn't a problem for them to do, but should I
be somehow encouraging smaller pieces?

Lastly, should I move to whole chickens for the dogs? I'm confused by
the whole bone/meat ratio and how much is in what. Is it OK to stick
to leg/thighs for a main diet and start tossing in other things on
occasion for variety? I'd like to go whole chicken, but take the
wings & necks for the cats, breasts for us, and leg & thighs for the
dogs. Since we'd just buy the breasts anyway, that's like getting the
other stuff for free. :-)

-Mary

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12a. Re: Does it matter?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:13 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...>
wrote:
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> Or is a whole chicken preferred? Just curious.
>

I prefer to buy chicken leg quarters and backs only. Its much cheaper
that way and you don't have to chop them up. They come ready to
feed. :) I get backs for $.25/lb and quarters for $.43/lb. I can't
get whole chickens for anywhere near that. With 2 giant breed dogs,
it saves me a lot of money.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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12b. Re: Does it matter?
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:30 pm ((PDT))

Brandi,
You're getting good at this, the shopping thing, the whole is great, but fryers are good too, get what is cheap, do what is easy and it works.
Jeni

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13a. Re: Probiotics, again
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:30 pm ((PDT))

Hi Deb,

If that were true, I have a dog that would never quit, lol......
I have a Pekinese and they have no snout......

As for the probotics, I'd go to the health food store and buy a good
human grade probotic mix and put him on that....yogurt can cause
loose stools and tummy upset all by itself as it's a dairy product.
So can transitioning to raw instead of changing over
completely at one time. Different digestion rates can play havoc
with a dogs tummy.......

I do agree that the farting may be caused by a lack of good bacteria
in his stomach.

The reason I think this is I recently had to put my dog on antibotics
for an infection.
One of the side affects of the antibotics was, he starting passing
lots of gas. After I asked here and mentioned it to my vet ,he gave
him a probotic to help, it did immediately. I have since learned that
anytime a dog is on antibotics they usually need a probotic too as
antibotics destroy not only the infection but all the good bacteria
right along with it...

Carol, Charkee & Moli

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "ptmagi" <ptmagi@...> wrote:

we ran across a suggestion to add a tablespoon of fat-free, plain
yogurt to the dog's meals to cut down on the farting.
I suspect that once we complete the transition to raw he may not
need the probiotics, however.

Our vet explained that the reason Boxers
pass so much gas is due to their short snouts and taking in a lot of
air with their food.

Deb in CO

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14a. Turkey legs
Posted by: "jennifer_ricotta" ricottaj@mac.com jennifer_ricotta
Date: Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:38 pm ((PDT))

New to rawfeeding and wondering if it is okay to feed a turkey drumstick to my dog. She is a
50 pound pitbull/boxer mix.
Jen

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