[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11932

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Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
From: Halo Harris
1b. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
From: Halo Harris
1c. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
From: Yasuko herron
1d. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
From: Sabrina

2a. Re: Iodine requirments
From: Halo Harris
2b. Re: Iodine requirments
From: Sandee Lee

3a. Re: Can You Give Too Much Organ Meat?
From: Tina Berry

4. Stinky chicken
From: Ivette Casiano

5. Back to raw
From: beckie716

6a. Re: Need reassurance
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

7a. Re: forgot on my last message
From: Morledzep@aol.com

8a. Re: fatty meats question
From: Morledzep@aol.com
8b. Re: fatty meats question
From: cmhausrath
8c. Re: overfeeding (was: fatty meats question)
From: Laurie Swanson
8d. Re: overfeeding (was: fatty meats question)
From: cmhausrath

9a. Re: Pig's tails???
From: Morledzep@aol.com

10a. Re: whole duck
From: Morledzep@aol.com
10b. Re: whole duck
From: Loretta Luja

11a. Re: need more bone
From: verrelli
11b. Re: need more bone
From: Sandee Lee

12a. Re: Broken Teeth
From: Casey Post
12b. Re: Broken Teeth
From: Purity

13a. How much to feed a puppy?
From: vickies_28
13b. Re: How much to feed a puppy?
From: Sandee Lee

14a. Re: feeding digestive tract
From: costrowski75

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1a. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
Posted by: "Halo Harris" h.halo@yahoo.com h.halo
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:27 pm ((PDT))

I do have a plug in cooler, last time we used it my husband and I wound up with a dead battery. I told him don't leave the cooler plugged in with the car off. Well that didn't work. We were out in the middle of nowhere with a dead battery. I figure we'll need around 30 lbs of raw and we don't have a whole lot of room. I think if I can keep the food cold that will be the most important. This is why I am leaning toward the packaged raw just to get buy for the week because of the variety I would have to put together. I can probably pick out different meals everyday with Primal. Have you used pre-packaged ever?
Halo

pelirojita <kerrymurray7@gmail.com> wrote:

> Lauren <lfunaiol@...> wrote:
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "h.halo" <h.halo@> wrote:
> >
> > Going camping. What is the best way to feed. I have seen
> prepackaged
> > raw. Are there any brands that are better than others. I have heard
> > of Primal and Columbia River not sure of the different companies that
> > sell prepackaged raw to take in a cooler.
> > Any suggestions? I would not want to depend on kibble just will have
> > a cooler and no refrigeration.
> > Halo
> >
Hi Halo,

We were just out of town and our dogsitter took our dog camping for 4
days (lucky dog...great dogsitter) while we were away. I had packaged

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1b. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
Posted by: "Halo Harris" h.halo@yahoo.com h.halo
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:28 pm ((PDT))

My pup is a Saint and he has a huge appetite he probably eats around 4 lbs a day which makes it a little more difficult that is like 28 lbs of raw for the week. I have got to think of a way to do this and this is why I am leaning toward the prepackaged food just for the 7 days its a no mess thing and compact. I don't believe there are any stores around. The campground has ice.
Halo

Mike Frantzen <hoover1203@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just went camping for a week with 2 dogs. I put in containers their frozen raw food and then put in the cooler. This was enough for about 4 days. I bought for the remainder at a Wal Mart. It worked out fine.

Chris F.

Halo Harris <h.halo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Lauren,
Not too sure on the stores in the area. We have been camping in the past

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1c. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:42 pm ((PDT))

>You could just feed them what you normally do, to make is easier feed meals just for the >night.

Hi.I agree. And,you can bring canned Salmon(in water),Canned Jack Mackerral(in water),Canned Sardine(in water) with can opener and it can become one easy meal that needs no refrigiration!

I am curious but,pre-packaged raw food does not need any refrigiration or freezer to store?

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1d. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
Posted by: "Sabrina" odonata24@yahoo.com odonata24
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:26 pm ((PDT))

How about freeze dried raw food? I went camping with raw food and had
a difficult time sharing the cooler with our food and prepared raw
food for the dogs.
Later, a friend suggested freeze dried raw food for future camping
expeditions. Nature's Variety makes some:
http://naturesvariety.com/content.lasso?r=1951391&page=1334&-session=naturesvariety:47FEC548140572FA2AJIGxFBD025
it is also great for treats too.

Happy Camping!
Sabrina

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "h.halo" <h.halo@...> wrote:
>
> Going camping. What is the best way to feed. I have seen prepackaged
> raw. Are there any brands that are better than others. I have heard
> of Primal and Columbia River not sure of the different companies that
> sell prepackaged raw to take in a cooler.
> Any suggestions? I would not want to depend on kibble just will have
> a cooler and no refrigeration.
> Halo
>

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2a. Re: Iodine requirments
Posted by: "Halo Harris" h.halo@yahoo.com h.halo
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:46 pm ((PDT))

Would the kelp have to be fed everyday to inhibit thyroid function. Or if it was given sporadially like once a week would it be safe. Some raw feeder told me she gives it a few times a week.
Halo

Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:
George,

Everything required is found in the appropriate diet. Kelp is one item I
would never recommend using as a supplement since it can inhibit thyroid
function.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

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I was talking to a fellow raw feeder today. She leans more towards
Billingshurst. She told me that she suppliments with kelp powder for
the iodine. I did a little research and found that iodine is only

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2b. Re: Iodine requirments
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:57 pm ((PDT))

I don't know, Halo. But that's the problem with supplementing "just in
case"!! You have no way of knowing what is required, how much is too much
and how it is going to affect your dog. Best to save the supplements for
when there is a known need...especially something like kelp that is known to
mess with the thyroid. Hypothyroidism is rampant these days anyway...no
sense in adding to those issues! Best to let their body get what it needs
from an appropriate diet.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Halo Harris" <h.halo@yahoo.com>

> Would the kelp have to be fed everyday to inhibit thyroid function. Or if
it was given sporadially like once a week would it be safe. Some raw feeder
told me she gives it a few times a week.

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3a. Re: Can You Give Too Much Organ Meat?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:53 pm ((PDT))

"I'm still trying to figure out these ratio, of 80/10/10...but I think they
are getting more than that 10% organ meat, now that I really think about it.
Can they get too much organ meat and what problems can it cause?"

Only if you were feeding all organs for a long period of time; just feed
them mostly meat with a little bone and a little organ and don't worrry
about exact percentages.
--
Tina Berry - MT
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4. Stinky chicken
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:11 pm ((PDT))

<<I purchased a stew hen for like $1.88 and it was sealed well
> (vaccuum packed) and when I got home it smelt like rotting. I
> couldn't stand the smell to take it out of the bag so I tossed it
> out instead of giving it to my dog. Should I have still gave it to
> him?>>

I purchased a few whole chickens on sale once and a couple of them were stinky but I fed it to my dog anyway because I'd read here that some people's dogs eat stinky chicken and they're ok. They were also vacuum packed. I suspect that it was the cause of his vomitting that evening then having diarrhea for the next four days until the chicken was gone. We ruled out everything else he had eaten and felt awful that I had fed it to him instead of throwing it out or taking it back to the store for putting meat like that out for human consumption.
I'll never do that again.

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5. Back to raw
Posted by: "beckie716" beckie716@yahoo.com beckie716
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:12 pm ((PDT))

Hello! My name is Beckie. I live in Wyoming and have a great dane
named Lena (7 years old). (3 cats too). My dog recently suffered a
near fatal gastric torsion.

I used to raw feed. I have always believed a species appropriate diet
was the best thing to do. However my dog always looked almost
skeletal. She started to lose weight on the raw diet, no matter the
amount, or the type of meat (I tried pork and other fatty meats to put
weight on her).At best, she maintained her scrawny weight(100-110#'s).
People started to ask me if I was to poor to feed my dog. I was
actually spending a fortune on her. Once, she stayed at my mom's
house, ate IAMS and gained weight. Reluctantly, I changed her over to
IAMS.

Now with this gastric torsion, I see that I should have stayed on the
raw diet. However, I have a few concerns about switching back over.

1:no matter how starving she is, if she doesn't like it, she won't eat

it.
2:She seems kind of afraid of food since her episode.

3:she used to "hork" foam+some of her meal nearly every time. really
bad for my carpets

4:Raw feeding sources were/are hard to find here. (maybe there are a
few more raw feeders here now, we could order together)

Thank you,
sincerely,

Beckie Wilson

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6a. Re: Need reassurance
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:16 pm ((PDT))

Brandi,
I don't know if you ever got any reply's so here goes.
Sounds like you have the chicken down pretty good. You have a good mix of items going on, and good sizes for the different dogs too, that's ok.
Now for the puppies, they shouldn't be missing meals, if you can help it. When people say it's ok for dogs to miss a meal it is usually after they have gorged on a really big meal, and you probably don't want a puppy to do that, they are growing and developing and they need certain nutrients, spread over time, and they need them regularly, so try to give them meals at least once a day, if they are at least over 40 pounds. If your puppies are over 8 months old, and giant breed dogs, then one meal a day is fine, but you really shouldn't purposefully gorge them, until they are adults, over a year, and are used to the diet.
And when they do gorge, you want to give them raw meaty bones, and things to keep them held over until the next real meal. Like pigs feet, Racks of ribs, or stuff like that. Something that is not a meal.
And remember, it doesn't have to be an exact science, so you don't have to do too many birds, stick to chicken, if it is the cheapest, game hens, have too much bone, not enough meat, and cost more, so your dogs will have runny poos. The whole chickens are great. But add some organ meat (with whole chickens it comes in the chicken, or you can buy some liver) about once a week. And maybe boneless chicken, or the turkey is good if it is cheap too, that has alot of meat on it too. And pork has good fat so that will help with the skin and make the hair and coats good.
You want to not buy ground too much, so that they can chew it up themselves, unless it is cheap and you are adding it to the mix, so they have more meat, then it is ok, but not a norm. They need to do the work.
As for the adult dogs eating once a day, it's fine if you want, but hard to do some once and others twice, you can split the adults food into half so they get some when the puppies eat each time, that's always how we did it, so they felt like they were included.:) They might still be a little hungry, but will get more when you feed them again with the puppies in the eve.
Hope that helps, you are doing a great job keep it up. Get everything on sale, and buy in bulk, ask the butcher if they will buy you stuff in bulk ahead of time when you have a payday. Like a case at a time. See about getting into a coop group buy online, we have Capital City Raw Feeders here in Sacto, see if there is anything where you are at.
Keep asking questions
Jeni

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7a. Re: forgot on my last message
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:18 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/20/2007 4:00:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
equusray@yahoo.com writes:

that cooking bones is a no-no. If I take those out, cook the rest,
and give the bones separately will it be ok?

feeding bare naked bones is not necessary, and IMO a BAD idea.. what are you
trying to accomplish by taking the bones out and feeding them separately from
the meat?

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8a. Re: fatty meats question
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:29 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/20/2007 1:47:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kerrymurray7@gmail.com writes:

My 3 year-old 40+lb lab mix has a barely visible waist and no tummy
tuck and his ribs are in there somewhere I just can't see them. We
are almost 2 months in to our rawfeeding journey and he has lost about
2 lbs but we need to drop significantly more. He will eat pretty much
anything I put in front of him and has tolerated everything well. So
far that has primarly been whole chickens (from store, so no feet,
neck or head) with giblets, pork (rump roast, I think), some beef
(mostly beef heart and ribs as that was what I could afford).

Kerry,

slow weight loss is GOOD weight loss. how much food is he currently eating
at each meal? keeping in mind that with the 2 - 3% beginner rule you should be
feeding less than 1 lb per day.

i found that my fat dogs lost weight better when we went to every other day
feedings. they got bigger more involving meals and the fat came off in a
matter of months.

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8b. Re: fatty meats question
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:35 pm ((PDT))

"pelirojita" <kerrymurray7@...> wrote:

> my previous post regarding this issue yielded one
> response (this list moves fast!) so please bear with me.

No worries -- Yahoo had a temper tantrum this weekend, it seems, so a
lot of messages piled up and were posted all at once. Lots to catch
up with!

> I have the opposite problem. I need to get weight off my dog.

Just remember, it's not an immediate process. Be patient, and don't
go getting TOO radical (removing ALL fat) in your rush to drop your
dog's weight.

> I have
> shrunk his portions and am making a concerted effort to up the
> exercise

Mmmkay, those are both good starts -- but so is a thyroid workup.
Search through the archives about full-panel thyroid testing (or
maybe somebody will repost the info) -- your dog may have a good
reason why he's not losing weight.

> Should I take the skin off the chicken?

Some of it, okay. Certainly don't remove ALL the skin, or all the
fat -- dogs need a goodish amount of fat in their diets!

> Should I remove the layer of fat from the back of the ribs that he
so
> enjoys ripping and tearing?

I would, if it's the globby fat pads I usually see. I'd much rather
remove a few concentrated fat deposits, and leave the majority of the
skin, than do the reverse.

> Are there leaner cuts or specific types (i.e.goat, venison etc.) of
> meat I should be feeding?

Chicken and turkey are generally lean, but do tend to have those fat
deposits. Pork is just generally fatty (as is lamb), so you might
avoid it or feed it in small quantities until your dog's weight is
under control. Beef can be lean or fatty, but it's usually easy to
tell which you're buying or to trim external fat (unlike pork, where
the fat is more marbled-in). Venison, goat, and rabbit all tend to
be VERY lean: good choices for a fat dog. Fish might be good, too,
at least for some not-too-high-fat variety.

> I can get very high quality beef tongue for $1/lb which I was going
to
> try next, is this too fatty for a pudgy dog?

Tongue can be really fatty, but it's also a great chewy meat. I'd
definitely get some -- you may just need to feed it in small
quantities for now.

> Or should I just rely on reducing portions, with the idea that I can
> significantly up the exercise in about a month when things start to
> cool down at night?

Primarily, yes. But two final notes: again, please do check on his
thyroid. If he's got a real medical reason for his weight, starving
him won't make him significantly skinnier! Second, bear in mind that
it can be easy to overfeed on raw. (At least, I often find I'm
inadvertently overfeeding because I'm so excited about all the
wonderful things I found for my dog to eat!) Your dog may just be an
easy keeper, and not even need quite 2% of his body weight daily to
maintain a healthy weight. I sometimes find that I'm adding an egg
(or two) here & there, or some extra treats, or an extra ground-beef-
stuffed Kong, and oh-let's-just-finish-off-this-leftover-chicken, and
whoops -- I overfed by a couple pounds this week!

Good luck & please keep us posted --

-- sandy & griffin (looking very trim lately, though his mom isn't)

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8c. Re: overfeeding (was: fatty meats question)
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:47 pm ((PDT))

Hey, Sandy--I was just going to post about this! Now that I've found a
good variety and my freezer's full, I'm feeding more and my dog is
gaining weight! I have to restrain myself! :-)

Laurie

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Second, bear in mind that
> it can be easy to overfeed on raw. (At least, I often find I'm
> inadvertently overfeeding because I'm so excited about all the
> wonderful things I found for my dog to eat!)

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8d. Re: overfeeding (was: fatty meats question)
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:32 pm ((PDT))

"Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:

> Now that I've found a
> good variety and my freezer's full, I'm feeding more and my dog is
> gaining weight! I have to restrain myself! :-)

LOL -- I tend towards extremes, in whatever I do, and the poor dog is
no exception. Most of the time we're in a perfectly happy normal
place, but once a month or so I'll decide either that he's a fatty
fat pup and needs to be trimmed down (in which case he'll get only
tiny meals for a week or so) or that he's looking a bit thin and
needs fattening (in which case he'll get overfed for a week or so).
Invariably he switches pretty quickly from looking a bit rotund to
fighting trim!

Come to think of it, though, he doesn't seem to mind the moderate
fluctuations. I haven't weighed him in ages, but I'd bet his weight
doesn't actually change more than a couple pounds. For a gorge-and-
fast predator, I doubt that's any big deal at all! His best weight
is right around here:
http://rawfeddogs.net/PhotoGalleries/ViewPhoto.php?album=19&pos=1
and I'm pleased to say that's just about how he looks now =)

-- sandy & griffin (stuck with his extremist human, but not much the
worse for wear)

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9a. Re: Pig's tails???
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:33 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/20/2007 5:05:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
pam.vojtas@datacore.com writes:

OK, what did I buy ? There were 4 in a pack fir $1.29/lb, and I couldn't pass
them up!

Pam,

you bought what the package says.. pig tails. they are great chew toys, or
snacks for my dogs. i can't get them often though.

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10a. Re: whole duck
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:41 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/20/2007 10:00:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
luja@comcast.net writes:

Maybe I should go back and get more duck then. At 1.39/lb they seemed
like a steal!
So your dogs do well on duck with no digestion problems?

Loretta,

At $1.39/lb for duck i would fill up a freezer.. we can't get those kinda
prices here in southern CA (at least not that i've seen, except through the
buying group we are members of). Ducks are $4/lb or more even at the cheap stores.


my akita pup LIVES for duck.. she would turn down almost any other kind of
bird to eat duck. sometimes we get some stinky farts.. but it's mostly lamb and
pork that make the bad farts.. but any fatty food releases gas.. lol.

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10b. Re: whole duck
Posted by: "Loretta Luja" luja@comcast.net desertwilite
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:31 pm ((PDT))

@At $1.39/lb for duck i would fill up a freezer.. we can't get those kinda
prices here in southern CA (at least not that i've seen, except through the
buying group we are members of). Ducks are $4/lb or more even at the
cheap stores.

Catherine,

I wish I already had a freezer. We just paid around 17 bucks for a duck
a couple weeks ago for a big dinner I cooked, and now I feel stupid for
paying that much. Now the sign for the ducks said "Special $1.39 w/o
head". I've never seen a frozen duck WITH a head!! It's usually $1.79
I'm gonna look for a used freezer and head back there.

@sometimes we get some stinky farts.. but it's mostly lamb and
pork that make the bad farts.. but any fatty food releases gas.. lol.

My older dog
gets stinky farts with almost anything so we are used to it!!

Loretta

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11a. Re: need more bone
Posted by: "verrelli" ktverrelli@bellsouth.net verrelli
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:43 pm ((PDT))

Sandee
before when I was feeding her a pre-fab frozen (northwest natural)
and chicken necks - she wasn't fat and didn't have an issue with her
glands - one month on all meat and she has put on weigh (that's my
problem due to not regulating the size) but also she has developed
the anal problem.

I know they don't NEED veggie but don't know if it would hurt

Kellie
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
>
> Kellie,
>
> Dogs get all the fiber they require from meat and bones. Veggies
are not
> required to regulate and could be contributing to anal gland problems.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>

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11b. Re: need more bone
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:58 pm ((PDT))

Kellie,

Whatever the problem is, it is not due to lack of veggies. You may need to
work on the meat/bone ratio. The appropriate amounts will produce nice firm
stools which will express the anal glands. Veggies are not going to do
that.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "verrelli" <ktverrelli@bellsouth.net>
before when I was feeding her a pre-fab frozen (northwest natural)
and chicken necks - she wasn't fat and didn't have an issue with her
glands - one month on all meat and she has put on weigh (that's my
problem due to not regulating the size) but also she has developed
the anal problem.

I know they don't NEED veggie but don't know if it would hurt

Kellie

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12a. Re: Broken Teeth
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:48 pm ((PDT))

> Arghhhhh! I just checked my dog's teeth tonight and both of his upper
> fourth premolars are chipped to where I can see pink. So off to the
> vet I go. His teeth are otherwise healthy so I'm sure a root canal
> will probably be the way to go. We regularly check his teeth out, so
> this seems to have been done pretty recently.

Rachel,

I recommend against root canals as do several others here - you want to do a
lot of research on that before you commit to anything. Bad teeth get
extracted at my house, end of story.

Also keep in mind that tooth damage is cumulative and while the breaks may
be recent, the microfractures may have been happening for a long time.
There are a number of factors involved with tooth strength, including the
biggie - genetics.

Casey

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12b. Re: Broken Teeth
Posted by: "Purity" purity21_99@yahoo.com purity21_99
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:26 pm ((PDT))

My vet agrees that the best option, since he's a hard chewer, is to do
an extraction. One tooth is definitely broken down to the pulp, so
that one will be pulled out. The other one is still a question mark
and he will re-evaluate it during the surgery. He doesn't think it
broke off down to the pulp and if that's the case, that one will stay
in. Thanks everyone for your responses.
Rachel

> I would do a bit more research before running off to get root canals
> on these teeth. They will not hold up and could cause other
> problems down the road. It's far better to just have the teeth
> pulled.

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13a. How much to feed a puppy?
Posted by: "vickies_28" vickies_28@yahoo.com vickies_28
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:30 pm ((PDT))

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I have a basset hound puppy, 5 months old. He weight about 38-40 lbs
but looks VERY skinny, like bones. I started feeding him raw despite
the creams of my husband and everybody around me. He refused to eat
kibble or any other food for 3 straight days after we got him. When I
gave him liver and raw chicken with bone - what a difference. So my
question is - how much to give him?
I used to feed another basset raw diet - but that one ate veggies and
cottage chese, and eggs and whatever he could get - and he was much
bigger - around 72 lbs. But with a 5-month old puppy I am lost.
Please share how much you feed.
Thanks

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13b. Re: How much to feed a puppy?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:41 pm ((PDT))

A good starting place is 2-3% of his expected adult weight per day. What
exactly have you been feeding?

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "vickies_28" <vickies_28@yahoo.com>

I have a basset hound puppy, 5 months old. He weight about 38-40 lbs
but looks VERY skinny, like bones. I started feeding him raw despite
the creams of my husband and everybody around me. He refused to eat
kibble or any other food for 3 straight days after we got him. When I
gave him liver and raw chicken with bone - what a difference. So my
question is - how much to give him?

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14a. Re: feeding digestive tract
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:21 pm ((PDT))

"jmwise80" <jmwise80@...> wrote:

> I was curious of the general consensus on feeding an animals
digestive
> tract.
*****
If it's in the corpse, feed it and let the dog decide whether it's
edible. If it's not in the corpse, don't bother with it. Seems
reasonable enough to me.

> I have "heard", and we all know we have "heard" some pretty good
stuff,
> that the bad bacterial stuff happens in the digestive tract
> particularly in the colon.
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What bad bacterial stuff do you mean? What happens in the colon is
digestion, that's not bad, that's good.

What wolves eat of is whole prey. Since in the wild they can pick
and choose, sometimes they eat the digestive tract and sometimes they
don't. My guess is sometimes life is good enough that they are not
forced to eat the intestines, or that sometimes the intestines are
simply unappealing.

If you aren't comfortable feeding the digestive system, don't. If
you aren't comfortable feeding burst road kill, don't. I've no
problem feeding whole intact critters to my dogs but I'm not sure I
would opt for an old, busted up one.

You're allowed to draw the line.
Chris O

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