[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11927

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. diarrhea, concerned/frustrated newbie
From: Louisa

2. forgot on my last message
From: equusray

3. Rather new here, question
From: equusray

4. Iodine requirments
From: gevan1a

5. Re: Can You Give Too Much Organ Meat?
From: Maiakitas@aol.com

6a. Re: Nature's Variety Raw Food Diets
From: greenville14

7a. Garlic and Dogs
From: blechatlb@aol.com

8. Food percentages
From: steffanie771

9a. Re: chicken qtrs
From: Giselle

10. Me again Poultry Cost and QUESTIONS.....necks?
From: ive_anbio10

11a. Re: treats for raw diet?
From: Ivette Casiano

12a. Re: found goodies at Asian market
From: Morledzep@aol.com
12b. Re: found goodies at Asian market
From: Laurie Swanson

13.1. Re: question
From: Morledzep@aol.com
13.2. Re: question
From: Katie

14a. Re: traveling while feeding raw - coleman extreme cooler ?s
From: lkanaday

15.1. Re: New to raw
From: Giselle

16a. venison question
From: Linda Gower

17a. Re: prey blood
From: Giselle
17b. Re: prey blood
From: Morledzep@aol.com

18a. Re: Chicken Qtrs
From: Giselle

19. Chicken allergy?
From: Kelly P

20a. need more bone
From: verrelli

21. uh... can i feed him these things?
From: akitaprincess04

22. Pig's tails???
From: Pam Vojtas

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1. diarrhea, concerned/frustrated newbie
Posted by: "Louisa" lchandler@austin.rr.com lou_losgatos
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:59 am ((PDT))

Hi,

I posted earlier about my doggies getting diarrhea from eating too much
salmon too soon. I purchased Slippery Elm Bark and gave that to them.
I also have been feeding them bland food w/o anything new being
introduced. Last night I fed them cooked ground beef - I forgot to
take their chicken out of the freezer and thought this would be
palatable. Today my collie has diarrhea again. Am I to be concerned?
I was planning on feeding them chicken this week, but I was also going
to try and introduce another protein source also. Am I doing something
wrong? I am trying to do best for my animals and feel like I am making
them sick. :(

Thanks in advance for any words of wisdom that might be helpful.

Louisa C.
Austin, TX.

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2. forgot on my last message
Posted by: "equusray" equusray@yahoo.com equusray
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:59 am ((PDT))

that cooking bones is a no-no. If I take those out, cook the rest,
and give the bones separately will it be ok?

Rachel M.

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3. Rather new here, question
Posted by: "equusray" equusray@yahoo.com equusray
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:01 am ((PDT))

My parents are dead set against raw. I've been trying to convince
them, but to no avail. However, I think they'd be open to it if I
actually cooked the food. Will cooking the food still be
significantly better than a high quality dog food? How would I go
about this? Put the chicken in the microwave, or in the oven? Can I
prepare and refrigerate a weeks worth of food at a time? Will I have
to supplement it with anything? Most 'cook for your dog' sites feed
grain and veggies as well. The cats can eat the same cooked food as
the dogs, right?

I think price and availability will help my parents agree- 66c vs $1 a
day for the big dog and 15c vs 25c for the small dog is a bargain. (I
can get whole chickens [well without the heads and with only half the
inner organs] for about 66c a pound! And we have a large freezer)

Thanks,

Rachel M.

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4. Iodine requirments
Posted by: "gevan1a" gevans@sycomtech.com gevan1a
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:02 am ((PDT))

I was talking to a fellow raw feeder today. She leans more towards
Billingshurst. She told me that she suppliments with kelp powder for
the iodine. I did a little research and found that iodine is only
really present in fish as far as meat goes. I'm still very new at this
and wanted some other opinions. I did read that iodine is nessacery
for proper thyroid function in dogs.

Then I thought - where would a wolf get iodine? Is it really important?

-George

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5. Re: Can You Give Too Much Organ Meat?
Posted by: "Maiakitas@aol.com" Maiakitas@aol.com maiakitas
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:02 am ((PDT))

Hi,

I'm still a newbie here, going on almost 2 months raw and fortunately found
everything seems to agree with my Akitas, although my one male has decided
chicken sucks now that he has been eating "real" meat. :o) Hopefully he will
change his mind.

Here is my question. I have no problem getting my dogs to eat organ meat and
it agrees with them. I'm still trying to figure out these ratio, of
80/10/10...but I think they are getting more than that 10% organ meat, now that I
really think about it. Can they get too much organ meat and what problems can it
cause?

Regards,
Carla

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6a. Re: Nature's Variety Raw Food Diets
Posted by: "greenville14" buckeye7@comcast.net greenville14
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:07 am ((PDT))

i am a vegetarian / almost vegan :) nah = its too hard to be in my opininion - too damn
hard but i do my best and i feed my cat and puppy a raw meat diet with some fruits and
veggies and raw nuts/ butters :)

i don't mind handling the raw meats i know it is what is best for them

i buy from taylorpond farms

but i draw the line at say, buying a whole rabbit or something that still has a face on it.

its just too hard for me to handle that

but i try not to be dogmatic

i started with freeze dried like natures variety and honest kitchen

and then moved to raw mixes and now feed more of the actual raw meats in whole for

prey model i guess

I learned a lot on my no vax site :)

anyway just thought i would throw in my two sense

i am a raw foodist as well it helps my lupus

but i rarely eat animal product

once in a while a good free range organic egg like the pets get

email me if you want

take care

Lori
>
> Hello Kimber,
> I'm sorry I didn't get in on this earlier. I have several friends who are vegan and
vegitarian, the two are not the same, so I have been schooled. And I understand the gross
factor for you.
> And although some here would say there is no prep involved, for you being a non meat
person, that wouldn't be true. I imagine just buying and handling it would be a prep
thing.
> I have gone from buying meat at the butcher to buying it from a farm, and plucking my
own feathers. So I have gone the distance in this house, my friends in the co-op group
buys can tell you some stories. But I regress. What I am trying to say is I understand.
> What I really am trying to get across is that the best way for your dogs/cats is fresh,
prey model diet. The kind you have to get involved with. Store bought from a tube, or
already processed isn't going to do your critters any good.
> The whole idea is that they eat, chew, peel the meat away from the bone, naw on the
bones, eat some bones, for the bone meal, and marrow, and get all the nutrients from it
like they would in the wild, but this is the closest we can get them to it. The stuff you buy
already ground up, has additives, and stuff in it that is not natural, and has colorants, and
things in it to make it stay long in the freezer or on the shelf. And it is already ground up,
also not good for the animals.
> So, opening up one of these tubes, or opening up a plastic bag with a whole chicken in
it, and cutting it into pieces small enough for each one of your animals, or buying it
precut, whichever you prefer, is about the same, you still have to handle the meat. The
one with just plain chicken in it is way better for the animals, cost less, and gives them
more of what they need.
> You can get precut chicken pieces at costco, and you can get chicken organs in a tub
too, that way you don't have to handle it so much. I do understand, I totally get it. I have
a friend who took alot of time making me get it. But she also took the time to get it for
her dogs too. And she does. She has all the same books now that I do, and she took the
time to come over and see how we feed our dogs. She didn't want to learn the wrong way.
And we held hands for a few weeks until she was comfortable doing it on her own. Now
she is a pro, and shops and finds bargains with the best of us. But she still makes a mean
salad and I love it:)
> After you get comfortable with the chicken you can graduate to other types of meats,
but take your time. Dogs need to be on one source of meat for several weeks. Your cats
won't switch easily, get online and check on a raw cat chat, they can help with that, mine is
still very stubborn. They need time and always have to have food out for them, (but keep
it where the dogs can't get to it) you can't force them to go raw like you can a dog. They
can have medical issues. So with the dogs, isn't pretty simple, with the cats, a different
story. Keep in mind, we are a prey model site, and we can help in so many ways.
> The indians believe in thanking the creature you take a life from for giving you the life
force you took to survive, and the creature knows it was of some use to you, it's time here
was served well on Mother Earth and goes on to it's place with the God's. They also thank
the tree's for the bark and wood, and the plant's for nurishment, and so on, so everything
has it's place and purpose, it just depends on what you believe you place or purpose is
here. I believe my dogs are going to be healthier on this diet like the wolves were and I
hope to be able to talk to you about this some 20 years from now:) and tell you how they
are doing. Nothing is perfect, and we certainly aren't, but we like to try and get close. I
hope your way of eating is working for you. I myself like meat too much to give it up. But
I do try to eat better cuts of it. And yes, I talk to it when I fix it for my dogs too. I give
thanks to all the creatures who are feeding my dogs
> and cat. They deserve it, for they are giving their best for my best, so they get my best
and most loving care in the preparation for each meal. Sounds silly to some, but for me,
and the Indian culture I was raised on, and my Pagan beliefs, I know this is right for us.:)
> You can do so good for your animals if you do it yourself. They will love you so much
for it.
> Goodluck and keep us posted.
> Jeni
> Owned, operated, and often tricked, by my two Great Dane sibblings, Zeus and Zena,
and Daisy our Pomchi, who thinks she's a Rott, and Lucky, the cat, he's just lucky he isn't
Dinner!
>
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7a. Garlic and Dogs
Posted by: "blechatlb@aol.com" blechatlb@aol.com blechatlb
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:09 am ((PDT))

##Garlic has a toxic ingredient thiosulphate for dogs and I would not
recommend using garlic in any amounts. It can cause anything from
minor upset tummy, diarrhea and vomiting. ##
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Deb,

I give my dogs garlic several times per week with no issues. Although they are in the same family as onions, the toxicity is not the same with garlic. I do know of a veterinarian who feeds his dogs several BULBS (not cloves!) of garlic daily...I would NOT feel at all comfortable feeding it in this amount!

TracyB
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8. Food percentages
Posted by: "steffanie771" skinners771@hotmail.com steffanie771
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:16 am ((PDT))

I was wondering how much the percentages are for food, like fat, bones,
meat, etc.

My husband talked with the local grocery store and the butcher will let
him take whatever he wants out to the rendering barrel (it is less they
have to pay to dispose of it). There are a lot of things in it, but a
lot of fat as you would imagine. I am just trying to make the most out
of this free resource.

Thanks,
Stephanie Skinner

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9a. Re: chicken qtrs
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:21 am ((PDT))

Hi, Patty!
Chicken 1/4s are fine, chicken breasts are fine, all the
parts of a chicken are fine to feed.

The only caveats to that are; feeding all the parts of a chicken are
better and any one protein source shouldn't be feed exclusively
foreva'. Also, some dogs don't tolerate parts that are enhanced with
flavoring/seasonings or injected with salt solution. Then again, for a
lot of dogs, it just don't matter.

You can add a chicken heart and gizzard to a bony portion, like 1/4s
right now. You can feed a tiny bit of chicken liver with a bony meal.
Keep it to the size of a pencil eraser at first. Liver can be
loosening, so adding a bit at a time to meals usually works well.

As long as your dogs are doing well on chicken, there's no need to
feed each part of the chicken for a week at a time, separately. Just
rotate through all the chicken parts for a couple of weeks, then move
on to another protein, like turkey, or pork.

TC and just keep posting and let us know how ya'll are doing!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> So chicken qtrs are good to start with? I understand I have to make
my own
> decisions, but was told (after I bought them) they are not enough
nutrition
> for my dogs. Perhaps in the sense that they alone with never making a
> change was not good. If they are acceptable, I will continue with
them for
> the next week or so. Then I will change to split breasts. When can
> I/should I give chicken liver?
> My dogs are responding well so far. (never heard them so quiet!!)
I don't
> want to do anything too fast & cause an upset.
> --
> Patty
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10. Me again Poultry Cost and QUESTIONS.....necks?
Posted by: "ive_anbio10" ive_anbio10@yahoo.ca ive_anbio10
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:24 am ((PDT))

So far I have been shopping around to find the best chicken prices
around. So far I have found that chicken necks come to be around 99c/lb
and stew hens for very cheap aswell. I found large chicken legs for
$1.99/lb and tried to bargain with the person for $1.50/lb if I bought
in bulk......ya didn't work to well....
Are all 3 of these prices good? and are all the meats good for my dog?
should I feed the necks regualrily or less regualr because of the high
amount of bones and less meat.
I purchased a stew hen for like $1.88 and it was sealed well (vaccuum
packed) and when I got home it smelt like rotting. I couldn't stand the
smell to take it out of the bag so I tossed it out instead of giving it
to my dog. Should I have still gave it to him?
I got pork bone today aswell.....little bit of variety....and he loves
it....i gave him it for 15 minutes and i think his gums were a little
red from chewing on it for this amount of time....is that normal?....I
decided to take it away from him and will give it to him tomorrow....

Ive

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11a. Re: treats for raw diet?
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:25 am ((PDT))

<<...ask all the Qs you need to! Just keep us posted on your progress!
TC
Giselle...>>

Giselle, Nugget is doing so well on all raw. I've even taken your advice on the chicken gizzards and hearts. He loves them. I'm the one with the difficult BF who gives me such a hard time every time I want to try something new (OCD or control issues here). Since I'm not "allowed" to feed Nugget whole chickens, with the bone in it, I sneak it in. Nugget is a gulper so last night I fed him as usual to get his belly a bit full then gave him a whole chicken breast, bone and all. Of course he tried to gulp and gagged a little but handled it well and decided on his own that he'd better chew the damned thing before swallowing. Yes, I know I'm supposed to feed him bigger, but you know my hands are tied with this. I'm lucky that I'm "allowed" to feed Nugget all raw at this point. Anyway, I figured since he got almost twice the portion he gets in the evening, that I would feed him just 2 raw eggs in the morning (yes, I'm also bound to feeding him twice a day even though he's 7
years old, again, OCD, routine freak). I know this shouldn't be a problem but it was for my BF. He noticed that last night after Nugget had eaten he was a little lethargic during exercise time. He wouldn't run for the stick much (at this point he didn't know I had fed Nugget twice his usual amount). This morning once Brian knew I'd fed him more he blew his top because he says I'm "experimenting" with Nugget. Anyway, my question is this, should Nugget have been sluggish because he ate more? And when you feed larger than normal quantities then fast or feed less the next day, do they spend more time lounging with the large meal? This may seem like a stupid question but I'm not assuming anything now. I'm not assuming my dog is like a human any more.
Thanks for all your help.

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12a. Re: found goodies at Asian market
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:27 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/18/2007 9:34:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,
luja@comcast.net writes:

Thanks for the input Chris O. And as for
the duck--I'm glad you reminded me of
the fattiness. I won't feel guilty eating it
myself now!!

Loretta,

Duck fat is good fat.. even for humans.. my dogs LOVE whole ducks. And fat
is GOOD for dogs, it gives them energy and it helps their coat and skin.

Catherine R.

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12b. Re: found goodies at Asian market
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:58 am ((PDT))

Uh, yes! My freezer is full of meat but I keep wanting to buy more!
It's a fun treasure hunt!

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Loretta Luja <luja@...> wrote:
> Has anyone besides me get so wrapped up in the
> search for dog food that they forget to buy human
> food?LOL Husband says we get the duck!! :-\
>
> Loretta L
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13.1. Re: question
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:29 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/18/2007 7:36:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
pattyannreidster@gmail.com writes:

Hopefully, there won't be any "surprises" if you know what I mean. I will
switch to chicken frames tomorrow & probably not return to the quarters.

Patty,

why are you switching to chicken frames? it's my understanding that chicken
frames are just the skeletal structure with very little meat and a bit of
skin.. this CAN be dangerous.. you could be causing severe constipation and
possible impaction feeding just bones and no meat or organs..

if you mean you're switching to whole chickens.. that's a different story.
Whole chickens come with all of their meat and skin and have a handy selection
of organs tucked inside.

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13.2. Re: question
Posted by: "Katie" kcrockett@mac.com kcrockettla7
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:33 am ((PDT))

Just out of curiosity . . . whta would be missing (other than variety!). I know organ meat . . .

but, if organ meat were added . . . would chick quarters be enough (again - i realize there's
not variety . . . i'm just curious)?

...katie

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,yes,quarters have more bone,but qurter is part of chicken so,it provide some nutrition.If you
keep feeding quarters whole life of dog,yes,it is not enough nutrition giving though.
>

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14a. Re: traveling while feeding raw - coleman extreme cooler ?s
Posted by: "lkanaday" lkanaday@yahoo.com lkanaday
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:30 am ((PDT))

So, the Coleman Extreme is supposed to keep ice for 5 days at temps
of 90deg or less. I'm assuming this means that it will also keep
frozen meat frozen right? Will it work for the freeze/gel paks too?
LaHoma

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> Ya know, I just don't see this as a problem, although some folks
apparently do. I travel with two coolers for longer trips -- one is
a Coleman "keeps ice for 4 days" model and one a smaller cooler.
> -- Anne Moore (M-Tak Pembrokes and one goofy GSD rescue and
a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio
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15.1. Re: New to raw
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:30 am ((PDT))

Hi, uh, smh!
Everything you have related is very normal for a newbie
dog adjusting to raw. Imagine, if you will, if you had only ever eaten
cereal and milk for your whole life; then were suddenly given grilled
chicken breast and steamed brown rice and broccoli for breakfast,
lunch and dinner instead. Even though that food would be infinitely
better for you than being fed just cereal and milk all the time, your
body would have to adjust to be able to digest it properly.

Smaller poops are normal, she is utilizing more of what she is eating
now.

Runny poops are pretty normal, too. Her digestive system has to adjust
to eating raw, now. If it continues, check the label on the chicken
legs to be sure they aren't enhanced or injected with salt solution or
flavoring/seasonings. some dogs don't tolerate them.
BBV or Bone Bits Vomit, or bone bits exiting from the other end, are
normal for a newbie dog, too. It takes time for a dog's digestive
system to switch gears to digest bones after a lifetime of kibble.
Then, too, if a long time raw eater gets too much bone in a meal,
he'll just hork it up. NPs They aren't ill, just getting rid of
something they don't need. ; )

I would continue to feed her raw; just a day or two before the
surgery, I'd feed her only boneless breasts, and maybe remove part of
the skin. Fast before surgery as the doctor orders, then when you
resume meals, I'd stick to boneless breasts and 1/2 size portions and
more frequent meals for a couple days, before gradually returning to
her regular pattern of meals.
TC and let us know how she is doing!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I have a 3 year old female Rottweiler that I JUST started last week
> (Thursday) on the raw diet,I am not giving vegetables or supplements at
> this time. I have just been feeding her chicken leg quarters for now -
> they were on sale and I had read they were a good thing to start out
> on.
> But her poop is a little runny, although she poops VERY little
> compared to what she was when she was on kibble - HAPPY about that.
> When she first goes they are formed but then end up runny.
> Also she at times will throw up just a VERY tiny amount of slivered
> bone.
> What am I doing wrong, and what do I need to change?
> Here is the kicker in the whole thing, she tore her cruciate ligament
> and is having surgery this coming Tuesday (21st). I want her to be as
> strong as possible going into it, and do not want to mess with her
> system too much.
> Can anyone give me some suggestions?
> Thank-you in advance.
>

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16a. venison question
Posted by: "Linda Gower" pudeltime@bellsouth.net pudeltime
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:31 am ((PDT))

I made a wonderful discovery while cleaning out our chest freezer to unearth the deer head that has resided in there for 10 years. The rest of the deer!!!! There are probably 10 packages of various venison cuts all freezer burnt beyond belief, but bet the boys will like it. I'd say any parasites that might have been there are long gone now! I feel like I just had rawfeeding Christmas - I found several soup bones, a couple of turkey necks, two turkeys (I knew they were there), stew meat, a pork roast, even a venison soup bone (no idea what that will be)

My question is - how does venison fit into the new meats scale. A couple of the cuts look pretty fatty, but the rest is fairly lean. I went shopping and bought a few bags of leg quarters to be the mainstay while they adjust. There were several packages of freezer burnt chicken in the freezer too, so we have the first meat weeks covered. How rich is venison? Should this be a later on in the process meat, or can I dive into that next.

The joys of joining two households that have stood alone for many many years!

Now, the task of cutting off the rack on this buck head!!! Not looking forward to that, was hoping for easy, now that I see it uncovered, it froze in a terrible position to get the rack off. Blech!

Linda Gower - Mid-TN
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17a. Re: prey blood
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:33 am ((PDT))

Hi, Loretta!
Huh, thats why whole prey is the best, I'm sure. And if
our dogs could catch their own prey, it would be even better than
that! ; )

I don't see any reason why you can't add tubs o' blood to your dog's
diet to enhance it, if you can get it. A thought, wouldn't feeding
spleen serve the same purpose, maybe?

I guess feeding the blood that comes with a critter is really only
optional if you do your own butchering.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I saw tubs of "pork blood" at the market that got me
> thinking. Have any of you thought of the blood that
> is missing when fed prey to your dog? I mean unless
> dogs are capturing live prey and allowed to kill and
> eat it as a whole unadultered meal, wouldn't they miss
> out on all the blood that is pumping through?
>
> Maybe it's not an important element but I do remember
> butchering my own raised rabbits and watching game
> being butchered, and there is quite a blood loss.
>
> I am not, by the way criticizing any diet, just observing
> and wondering. What are your thoughts?
>
> Loretta L.
>

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17b. Re: prey blood
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:45 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/18/2007 10:48:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
luja@comcast.net writes:

Maybe it's not an important element but I do remember
butchering my own raised rabbits and watching game
being butchered, and there is quite a blood loss.

Loretta,

unless we are feeding whole prey we don't have the opportunity to offer whole
blood to the dogs.. i would if it was available. And i will after we start
butchering our own meat animals.

i believe the pig blood that is sold in the ethnic grocery stores is cooked
in some way.. i thought about buying it.. decided my dogs could wait for the
real fresh stuff..

Catherine R.

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18a. Re: Chicken Qtrs
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:33 am ((PDT))

Hi, Patty!
YQW, anytime!
Giselle

> Thanks, all, for clearing up my "newbie" questions & concerns.
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19. Chicken allergy?
Posted by: "Kelly P" picklesrfree@yahoo.com picklesrfree
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:40 am ((PDT))

Hi all,

My young dog I believe has hotspots. Since we got her at 3 mos, she
itches and chews above her tail. At the time, I spotted one flea on
her and took care of the problem. She's also been raw fed since we
got her at 3 mos, chicken being the most prominant meat source and
beef a close second.

I used home remedies to rid her of fleas and keep them off.

She is 7 mos now and every once in a while she still chews above her
tail. She's been at a friend's house with 3 other dogs for the last
two weeks and none of them show any signs of flea investation. I just
checked her over and found none.

Unfortunately, she is still itching and has now created scabs above
her tail that she ends up re-opening. She's also been scratching at
her belly button, which is new.

My guess is she's either allergic to chicken or that the humidity
here combined with her thick fur is irritating her skin. I'm dont
really know. So far, I've tried home remedies to relieve the itching
and just reverted to Pro Pet Itch Relief tonight.

....perhaps i'm not feeding her enough organs or she's not getting
enough vit E?....

Any ideas would be helpful. I'd like to take her itching away
permanently.

Thanks for any help

Kelly

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20a. need more bone
Posted by: "verrelli" ktverrelli@bellsouth.net verrelli
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:40 am ((PDT))

I think I need to get more bone into my dogs diet - since i noticed
one has a small Anal gland problem - I am hoping we can fix it before
having to take her in to the vet but I am calling vet today anyway to
see when I can get her in.

Here's the scenerio: she is small dog 18#, Scottish Terrier - I had
been giving Chicken Neck in AM (2) and more meat in PM - beef
heart/chicken thigh, beef rib etc or a mix with veggies. I know they
don't need them but maybe some dogs regulate better with it?? Also
after reading that necks were not good I switched to 1/2 chicken
breast (a whole breast was too much she is still a bit fat)

Now my guys are not gulpers so I am now thinking maybe the necks
weren't such a bad thing. But also feeding them a whole chicken and
trying to regulate them isn't an answer either as they would eat the
whole thing and look to see if they can get some more ;) I thought
about once a day but then they still act as if they are starving and I
have some older dogs who need to have multiple meals.

anyone else have problems like this - it's easy to feed just one when
you have 6 and they are all on different diets it gets complex.

Kellie Verrelli

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21. uh... can i feed him these things?
Posted by: "akitaprincess04" akitaprincess@msn.com akitaprincess04
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:58 am ((PDT))

Pork Necks?
any kind of chicken? does it have to have bones? is boneless okay?
chicken thighs?
hearts and giblets?

got any other suggestions to what i can feed my english mastiff? he's
17 weeks old!! :D thanks for all the help you can give me!!
~*Ashley Smith*~

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22. Pig's tails???
Posted by: "Pam Vojtas" pam.vojtas@datacore.com pvojtas
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:04 am ((PDT))

OK, what did I buy ? There were 4 in a pack fir $1.29/lb, and I couldn't pass them up!

Pam (and Charlie and Quincy)

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