[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11931

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
From: Lauren
1b. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
From: Halo Harris
1c. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
From: Halo Harris
1d. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
From: pelirojita
1e. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
From: Mike Frantzen

2a. Re: Broken Teeth
From: Purity
2b. Re: Broken Teeth
From: mariasmom2001
2c. Re: Broken Teeth
From: Sandee Lee
2d. Re: Broken Teeth
From: Purity

3a. Re: Duck and organ question
From: Laurie Swanson

4a. fatty meats question
From: pelirojita
4b. Re: fatty meats question
From: Yasuko herron
4c. Re: fatty meats question
From: Halo Harris

5a. Camping
From: Belinda Mitchell
5b. Re: Camping
From: Halo Harris

6a. Re: Iodine requirments
From: Sandee Lee

7a. Re: Me again Poultry Cost and QUESTIONS.....necks?
From: Sandee Lee

8. Feeding possum
From: sallycouper

9a. Re: found goodies at Asian market
From: Laurie Swanson
9b. Re: found goodies at Asian market
From: diannem200400

10a. Re: need more bone
From: Sandee Lee

11a. Re: traveling with raw/Coleman cooler ?s
From: Michael Moore
11b. Re: traveling with raw/Coleman cooler ?s
From: Halo Harris

12a. Re: Can You Give Too Much Organ Meat?
From: Morledzep@aol.com

13a. Re: Brought home my first foster - How do I get him back in shape?
From: Morledzep@aol.com

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1a. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
Posted by: "Lauren" lfunaiol@yahoo.com lfunaiol
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:50 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "h.halo" <h.halo@...> wrote:
>
> Going camping. What is the best way to feed. I have seen
prepackaged
> raw. Are there any brands that are better than others. I have heard
> of Primal and Columbia River not sure of the different companies that
> sell prepackaged raw to take in a cooler.
> Any suggestions? I would not want to depend on kibble just will have
> a cooler and no refrigeration.
> Halo
>
Hi Halo,

How long will you be camping? If not for too long away from a store,
just pack a cooler with normal raw meaty bones. If you start off with
most of it frozen and packed in ice, you will do fine.

Lauren

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1b. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
Posted by: "Halo Harris" h.halo@yahoo.com h.halo
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:20 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Allison, I never thought of that. Great suggestion. I really don't like the pre-packages raw you its hard to tell whats in it.
Halo

Alison Maffett <sweettuth23@yahoo.com> wrote:
You could just feed them what you normally do, to make is easier feed meals just for the night. Just throw each meal into a zip lock bag and put all but one nights into the freezer first and feed them that. Alison

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From: h.halo <h.halo@yahoo.com>

Any suggestions? I would not want to depend on kibble just will have

a cooler and no refrigeration.

Halo

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1c. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
Posted by: "Halo Harris" h.halo@yahoo.com h.halo
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:21 pm ((PDT))

Hi Lauren,
Not too sure on the stores in the area. We have been camping in the past where the stores are 1/2 hour away for ice. I can always call the campground and find out for sure. Will be camping for around 7 days.
Halo

Lauren <lfunaiol@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "h.halo" <h.halo@...> wrote:
>
> Going camping. What is the best way to feed. I have seen
prepackaged
> raw. Are there any brands that are better than others. I have heard
> of Primal and Columbia River not sure of the different companies that
> sell prepackaged raw to take in a cooler.
> Any suggestions? I would not want to depend on kibble just will have
> a cooler and no refrigeration.
> Halo
>
Hi Halo,

How long will you be camping? If not for too long away from a store,
just pack a cooler with normal raw meaty bones. If you start off with
most of it frozen and packed in ice, you will do fine.

Lauren

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1d. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
Posted by: "pelirojita" kerrymurray7@gmail.com pelirojita
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:49 pm ((PDT))

> Lauren <lfunaiol@...> wrote:
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "h.halo" <h.halo@> wrote:
> >
> > Going camping. What is the best way to feed. I have seen
> prepackaged
> > raw. Are there any brands that are better than others. I have heard
> > of Primal and Columbia River not sure of the different companies that
> > sell prepackaged raw to take in a cooler.
> > Any suggestions? I would not want to depend on kibble just will have
> > a cooler and no refrigeration.
> > Halo
> >
Hi Halo,

We were just out of town and our dogsitter took our dog camping for 4
days (lucky dog...great dogsitter) while we were away. I had packaged
up each day's meal for my dog in individual baggies and frozen them
(per excellent advice from this list). It seems the dogsitter just
threw everything in their cooler (one of those coleman ones that
claims to keep ice for 5 days) and fed from the cooler with no problems.

If you are going for a week, either get the 5-day Coleman cooler, you
could probably push it to 6 days if that was a dedicated frozen foods
cooler without a lot of opening and closing going on (we love ours, we
did a 3-day slot canyon backpacking trip where temps were in the 100s
where we parked our truck, after we hiked out under some rough
conditions, we had cold beer waiting for us!). Or, I have seen those
coolers that you can plug in to your car's lighter. Our truck's
lighter will keep things powered up even when the truck is not
running, but our Honda's lighter shuts off with the car. So a plug-in
cooler may only be useful for certain vehicles and may be expensive.

Have fun,
Kerry

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1e. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
Posted by: "Mike Frantzen" hoover1203@yahoo.com hoover1203
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:22 pm ((PDT))

I just went camping for a week with 2 dogs. I put in containers their frozen raw food and then put in the cooler. This was enough for about 4 days. I bought for the remainder at a Wal Mart. It worked out fine.

Chris F.

Halo Harris <h.halo@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Lauren,
Not too sure on the stores in the area. We have been camping in the past where the stores are 1/2 hour away for ice. I can always call the campground and find out for sure. Will be camping for around 7 days.
Halo

Lauren <lfunaiol@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "h.halo" <h.halo@...> wrote:
>
> Going camping. What is the best way to feed. I have seen
prepackaged
> raw. Are there any brands that are better than others. I have heard
> of Primal and Columbia River not sure of the different companies that
> sell prepackaged raw to take in a cooler.
> Any suggestions? I would not want to depend on kibble just will have
> a cooler and no refrigeration.
> Halo
>
Hi Halo,

How long will you be camping? If not for too long away from a store,
just pack a cooler with normal raw meaty bones. If you start off with
most of it frozen and packed in ice, you will do fine.

Lauren

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2a. Re: Broken Teeth
Posted by: "Purity" purity21_99@yahoo.com purity21_99
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:21 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:
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> Hi Rachel,
>
> What kind of dog is this? How long raw-fed?
>
> Laurie

Hi Laurie,
He's a 4 yo Shepherd/Border Collie mix. He's been on prey model raw
now for about 6 months. Before he was on something closer to BARF off
and on for 2 years.
Rachel

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2b. Re: Broken Teeth
Posted by: "mariasmom2001" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:35 pm ((PDT))

Hi Rachel,

I responded earlier this morning but yahoo is still screwy and my
messages aren't getting through! :))

I would do a bit more research before running off to get root canals
on these teeth. They will not hold up and could cause other
problems down the road. It's far better to just have the teeth
pulled.

We have discussed this frequently on the list. Do some searching in
the archives and look back to some of the discussion from when Dr.
Joubert was a guest on the list.....

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/26726

Sandee

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Purity" <purity21_99@...> wrote:
>
> Arghhhhh! I just checked my dog's teeth tonight and both of his
upper
> fourth premolars are chipped to where I can see pink. So off to the
> vet I go. His teeth are otherwise healthy so I'm sure a root canal
> will probably be the way to go. We regularly check his teeth out,
so
> this seems to have been done pretty recently.

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2c. Re: Broken Teeth
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:12 pm ((PDT))

Rachel,

Get those teeth pulled rather than having root canals done. Root canals
will not hold up and have a high incidence of creating further problems.

You might want to look back at some of the messages when we had a veterinary
dentist as a guest on this list.....

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/26726

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Purity" <purity21_99@yahoo.com>

Arghhhhh! I just checked my dog's teeth tonight and both of his upper
fourth premolars are chipped to where I can see pink. So off to the
vet I go. His teeth are otherwise healthy so I'm sure a root canal
will probably be the way to go.

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2d. Re: Broken Teeth
Posted by: "Purity" purity21_99@yahoo.com purity21_99
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:16 pm ((PDT))

Sandee,
Thanks for your imput. It does definitely make sense since dogs chew
on harder stuff than we do.

Rachel
> Rachel,
>
> Get those teeth pulled rather than having root canals done. Root
canals
> will not hold up and have a high incidence of creating further
problems.
>
> You might want to look back at some of the messages when we had a
veterinary
> dentist as a guest on this list.....
>
> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/26726
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>

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3a. Re: Duck and organ question
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:22 pm ((PDT))

Hi Mariola,

Pork melt is pig spleen. It's a good organ and my dog loves it.
Rotate it in with your other organs, all of which make up prox. 10%
of the diet.

I think the stomach is bleached or something--I never buy it. I'm
sure there's info in the archives if you want to do a search.

I think it's fun to go looking for new and different things, too, and
I've made my husband go with me once or twice just so he could share
in my hobby. :-)

Laurie

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wrote:
>> What is a pork melt? Is it worth buying? What about a pork stomach?
> Valuable?
>
> It was quite fascinating to see and buy these organs, but
> unfortunately my husband does not share in my excitement. On the
> contrary, he finds it disgusting. I guess I have to be happy he
> accepts raw feeding.

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4a. fatty meats question
Posted by: "pelirojita" kerrymurray7@gmail.com pelirojita
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:46 pm ((PDT))

Hello rawfeeding experts,

I tried searching the archives for this info but came up with few
relevant posts, and my previous post regarding this issue yielded one
response (this list moves fast!) so please bear with me.

I have been reading the posts about recommendations for putting on
weight for the American Bulldog foster that a recent poster is
bringing home (very cute dog, btw, congratulations on your new guy.)

I have the opposite problem. I need to get weight off my dog. I have
shrunk his portions and am making a concerted effort to up the
exercise (challenging, as he is not very heat-tolerant and it is still
in the 90's here at night), but should I also be feeding leaner cuts
of meat and taking the skin off the chicken?

My 3 year-old 40+lb lab mix has a barely visible waist and no tummy
tuck and his ribs are in there somewhere I just can't see them. We
are almost 2 months in to our rawfeeding journey and he has lost about
2 lbs but we need to drop significantly more. He will eat pretty much
anything I put in front of him and has tolerated everything well. So
far that has primarly been whole chickens (from store, so no feet,
neck or head) with giblets, pork (rump roast, I think), some beef
(mostly beef heart and ribs as that was what I could afford).

I'm a vegetarian so not very knowlegeable about cuts of meat,
especially which are fatty and which are lean. My specific questions are:

Should I take the skin off the chicken?
Should I remove the layer of fat from the back of the ribs that he so
enjoys ripping and tearing?
Are there leaner cuts or specific types (i.e.goat, venison etc.) of
meat I should be feeding?
I can get very high quality beef tongue for $1/lb which I was going to
try next, is this too fatty for a pudgy dog?

Or should I just rely on reducing portions, with the idea that I can
significantly up the exercise in about a month when things start to
cool down at night?

Thank you in advance.

Kerry
Tucson, AZ

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4b. Re: fatty meats question
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:23 pm ((PDT))

> I need to get weight off my dog. I have shrunk his portions and am making a concerted >effort to up the exercise (challenging, as he is not very heat-tolerant and it is still
>in the 90's here at night),

Hi.As exercising goes,you can put dog on trade mill or do swimming on beach with dog or daily walk after temp went down or do ball throwing inside the house and play with dog.

I read somewhere that if the dog gets puggy,you reduce 10% of total intake amount from recent feeding meal and don't cut back too drastically.

I think that just like people neess time to loose weight,I think loosing weight on dog would not be like in a couple days so, you may want to try reduced amount a month and see how it goes .

I think dog needs fat and skin too so, I think skin off or cut off fat would not be necessary.

Only if the dog got bowel problems,it maybe good idea to cut off fat and skin off some.

> but should I also be feeding leaner cuts of meat?

If I were you,I mix up faty meat some days,leaner cut some days and I would just cut back portion and see how it goes.

I did not see Turkey in your menu.My dog likes Turkey,and it is leaner meat.

>Should I remove the layer of fat from the back of the ribs that he so
>enjoys ripping and tearing?

I would leave it asis,andjust cut back portion about 10% from what you are currently feeding.

>I can get very high quality beef tongue for $1/lb which I was going to try next, is this too >fatty for a pudgy dog?

Tongue in general is fattier,but I think you can give it to your dog with little less than you normally feed.

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4c. Re: fatty meats question
Posted by: "Halo Harris" h.halo@yahoo.com h.halo
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:14 pm ((PDT))

I noticed after I gave my dog a beef rib bone, his stool was all mucousy would you say that this is from the fat that was on the bone? Is the fat something I should be concerned with as far as putting weight on the pup?
Halo

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I need to get weight off my dog. I have shrunk his portions and am making a concerted >effort to up the exercise (challenging, as he is not very heat-tolerant and it is still
>in the 90's here at night),

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5a. Camping
Posted by: "Belinda Mitchell" dubhruah@velocitynet.com.au dubhruadh
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:00 pm ((PDT))

>
> I am currently away for 2 and 1/2 weeks showing with a friend and
> between we have 12 Ridgebacks, Hungarian Vizsla, a PWD and a cat.
> We are in a tent but have power, however that is used for the
> laptop and jug - everything else is unpowered. All our food was
> purchased and frozen solid before we came. I had a ten hour drive
> and my friend a five hour drive to get to the centre where the
> shows are being held.
>
> Tips for travelling with raw:
>
> 1. Get the best esky (cooler) that you can - I used a Ice-Mate
> 200litre version last time and it remained frozen/cold for well
> over a week. This time I purchased a Waeco 145 litre.
> 2. The bigger the pieces you freeze the longer it stays frozen.
> This is one time that I go for mince or ground as this will remain
> frozen in the centre keeping the outside cool for a longer time. I
> feed six dogs and the cat (actually this trip I am feeding 7
> dogs). The containers with mince are 5 and 10 litre containers - a
> five litre will feed my six/even for one meal with sardines and eggs.
> 3. Pack your esky so that there is little free space - stops the
> warmer circulating and defrosting your food. Pack the spaces with
> newspaper, dog blankets, plastic bags (that you can later use as
> poo bags)
> 4. Use large plastic bottles with frozen water as your ice blocks -
> again the bigger the better - solid blocks take longer to melt than
> normal ice cubes, partly because ice cubes are somewhat hollow and
> have a large surface ratio therefore defrosting quicker.
> 5. Only open the esky once a day if that as depending on the
> outside weather will depend on how long it takes your food to defrost.
> 6. Have a separate esky for human food as you are more likely to go
> into it several times a day for milk etc
> 7. When travelling (or stopping in one place for a time) make sure
> that you wrap your esky to provide further insulation. My esky is
> on the back seat of the car (when driving) on top of a silver
> backed tarp silver side facing the esky and then bedding/dog
> blankets are wrapped around and on top. Keeps food frozen for much
> longer.
>
> Cheers
>
> Belinda
>

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5b. Re: Camping
Posted by: "Halo Harris" h.halo@yahoo.com h.halo
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:15 pm ((PDT))

Wow! and I thought going away for a week was a long time. I'll have to check into the cooler you recommended. We have a coleman cooler but its not the metal type. Thank you for the advise. Sounds like you have your hands full. I have a Saint puppy but he is like 12 pups rolled into one.
Thanks a bunch
Halo

Belinda Mitchell <dubhruah@velocitynet.com.au> wrote:

>
> I am currently away for 2 and 1/2 weeks showing with a friend and
> between we have 12 Ridgebacks, Hungarian Vizsla, a PWD and a cat.
> We are in a tent but have power, however that is used for the
> laptop and jug - everything else is unpowered. All our food was
> purchased and frozen solid before we came. I had a ten hour drive
> and my friend a five hour drive to get to the centre where the
> shows are being held.
>
> Tips for travelling with raw:
>
> 1. Get the best esky (cooler) that you can - I used a Ice-Mate
> 200litre version last time and it remained frozen/cold for well
> Cheers
>
> Belinda
>

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6a. Re: Iodine requirments
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:19 pm ((PDT))

George,

Everything required is found in the appropriate diet. Kelp is one item I
would never recommend using as a supplement since it can inhibit thyroid
function.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "gevan1a" <gevans@sycomtech.com>

I was talking to a fellow raw feeder today. She leans more towards
Billingshurst. She told me that she suppliments with kelp powder for
the iodine. I did a little research and found that iodine is only
really present in fish as far as meat goes. I'm still very new at this
and wanted some other opinions. I did read that iodine is nessacery
for proper thyroid function in dogs.

Then I thought - where would a wolf get iodine? Is it really important?

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7a. Re: Me again Poultry Cost and QUESTIONS.....necks?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:21 pm ((PDT))

Ive,

You are going to be better off buying whole chickens rather than small bony
parts like necks. Chickens regularly are on sale so start watching your
local markets for prices, get a few chickens and cut them into quarters.

I would avoid any bone that isn't slathered in meat. Pork bone doesn't
sound like it would be appropriate. When feeding pork, you want to feed
roasts....tons of meat, a little bone.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "ive_anbio10" <ive_anbio10@yahoo.ca>

So far I have been shopping around to find the best chicken prices
around. So far I have found that chicken necks come to be around 99c/lb
and stew hens for very cheap aswell. I found large chicken legs for
$1.99/lb and tried to bargain with the person for $1.50/lb if I bought
in bulk......ya didn't work to well....
Are all 3 of these prices good? and are all the meats good for my dog?
should I feed the necks regualrily or less regualr because of the high
amount of bones and less meat.

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8. Feeding possum
Posted by: "sallycouper" salnz@xnet.co.nz sallycouper
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:21 pm ((PDT))

Hi,

I have just started looking into rawfeeding my two dogs and six cats.
I was thinking that once they were used to it I could introduce wild
rabbit, pig and possum as there are plenty in the surrounding
forest/bush. I am in NZ and possums are pests but they are suposed to
carry TB so would it be ok to feed them/ handle them raw? Would
freezing help? If so for how long? Any other precautions I should take?
Thanks
Sally

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9a. Re: found goodies at Asian market
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:23 pm ((PDT))

Wow, I'm really surprised--your Asian markets didn't have any meat?
Maybe someone in your area will have more tips.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "pigasus718" <pigasus718@...> wrote:

> The Asian markets only had fish and I asked at all 4.
> One lady even got offended when I asked about chicken feet??

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9b. Re: found goodies at Asian market
Posted by: "diannem200400" diannem200400@yahoo.com diannem200400
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:14 pm ((PDT))

Hi Robyn:

Don't know about your area specifically, but if you have a large
Hispanic population, look for a "Carniceria" rather than a market.
These are usually small meat market/butcher/wholesalers, and if you
talk to the owner you can often order cases of stuff wholesale. Good
luck!

Dianne
In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "pigasus718" <pigasus718@...> wrote:
> No luck at the Latino market and the Mexican market didn't
> have anything different than the grocery.

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10a. Re: need more bone
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:29 pm ((PDT))

Kellie,

Dogs get all the fiber they require from meat and bones. Veggies are not
required to regulate and could be contributing to anal gland problems.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "verrelli" <ktverrelli@bellsouth.net>

I think I need to get more bone into my dogs diet - since i noticed
one has a small Anal gland problem - I am hoping we can fix it before
having to take her in to the vet but I am calling vet today anyway to
see when I can get her in.

Here's the scenerio: she is small dog 18#, Scottish Terrier - I had
been giving Chicken Neck in AM (2) and more meat in PM - beef
heart/chicken thigh, beef rib etc or a mix with veggies. I know they
don't need them but maybe some dogs regulate better with it?? Also
after reading that necks were not good I switched to 1/2 chicken
breast (a whole breast was too much she is still a bit fat)

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11a. Re: traveling with raw/Coleman cooler ?s
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:30 pm ((PDT))

>>I'm assuming this means that it will also keep
frozen meat frozen right? Will it work for the freeze/gel paks too?<<

It does, although in extremely hot temperatures (90 degrees + ), the "5 days" rule doesn't "quite" apply -- stuff stays frozen for over 3 days, for sure. Sorry, I don't have the answer on the freezer/gel packs. I always use ice, although I often freeze larger ziploc containers and/or soda bottles for "larger" chunks 'o ice.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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11b. Re: traveling with raw/Coleman cooler ?s
Posted by: "Halo Harris" h.halo@yahoo.com h.halo
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:16 pm ((PDT))

I don't have a good answer because its going to be hot and my experience even with a coleman cooler is everything melts. Most of the time, we make stops for ice and it melts and leaves a soggy mess. I don't like the pre-package food idea because I don't know the source of whats in this stuff but at least its sealed and if kept cold it would be fine. I could package my own but I still feel uneasy because of spoilage. If this happens then I have no other choice but to resort to the kibble which I don't want to do. I had to do this once a couple months ago and by the time we got home my pups ears were so inflamed it wasn't funny.
Halo

Michael Moore <m-tak@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>I'm assuming this means that it will also keep
frozen meat frozen right? Will it work for the freeze/gel paks too?<<

It does, although in extremely hot temperatures (90 degrees + ), the "5 days" rule doesn't "quite" apply -- stuff stays frozen for over 3 days, for sure. Sorry, I don't have the answer on the freezer/gel packs. I always use ice, although I often freeze larger ziploc containers and/or soda bottles for "larger" chunks 'o ice.

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12a. Re: Can You Give Too Much Organ Meat?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:00 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/20/2007 4:03:40 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Maiakitas@aol.com writes:

I'm still trying to figure out these ratio, of
80/10/10...but I think they are getting more than that 10% organ meat, now
that I
really think about it. Can they get too much organ meat and what problems can
it
cause?

Carla,

it's possible for a dog to eat too much organ meat.. yes. But you would have
to feed like 80% organ meat and 10% meaty meat for a long time to see any
side effects or for your dogs' health to be compromised.

the percentages are just GUIDELINES, they are NOT hard and fast rules.

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13a. Re: Brought home my first foster - How do I get him back in shape?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:05 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/20/2007 3:35:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
kaebruney@yahoo.com writes:

I was wondering what you guys would recommend for a big dog who needs
to gain about 10lbs and has really dull coat. I mean, besides the
regular chicken, beef hearts, liver, kidney, sweetbreads.

Kae,

i don't see anything wrong with Petey. He's not the biggest american bulldog
i've ever seen, but they are generally healthier if they stay smaller.

he doesn't look too skinny either, his chest is very well filled out. he
SHOULD have a narrow waist and firm muscly hips.

there is more to a raw prey model diet than chicken, beef hearts, liver,
kidney and sweetbreads. there is MEAT from lots of animals, pork, lamb, goat,
emu, duck, turkey (its getting close to thanksgiving.. ). organs and hearts from
ALL of these animals and more if you can get em.

Remember Variety is what makes this diet work, don't get stuck in a chicken
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