Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 11930

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: diarrhea, concerned/frustrated newbie
From: Casey Post

2a. Re: Chicken allergy?
From: costrowski75
2b. Re: Chicken allergy?
From: Giselle

3a. Re: uh... can i feed him these things?
From: Giselle
3b. Re: uh... can i feed him these things?
From: pigasus718

4a. Re: Me again Poultry Cost and QUESTIONS.....necks?
From: Andrea

5a. Re: Duck and organ question
From: Yasuko herron

6a. Re: need more bone
From: delcaste
6b. Re: need more bone
From: swilken61

7a. Re: pork neck bones
From: Yasuko herron

8a. Re: whole duck
From: Loretta Luja

9a. Re: Broken Teeth
From: Yasuko herron
9b. Re: Broken Teeth
From: Laurie Swanson

10a. Re: Brought home my first foster - How do I get him back in shape?
From: kaebruney
10b. Re: Brought home my first foster - How do I get him back in shape?
From: delcaste

11a. Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
From: h.halo
11b. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
From: Alison Maffett

12. feeding digestive tract
From: jmwise80

13a. Re: forgot on my last message
From: Laurie Swanson

14.1. Re: What can I feed?
From: Yasuko herron

15a. Re: Iodine requirments
From: Shirley

16a. Re: Test
From: Loretta Luja

17a. Re: found goodies at Asian market
From: pigasus718

18a. Re: prey blood
From: Loretta Luja

19a. Re: chicken backs question
From: Sandee Lee

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1a. Re: diarrhea, concerned/frustrated newbie
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:32 am ((PDT))

Louisa,

I missed your original post about the salmon, but tell me, are these dogs
healthy/old enough to fast them for a day? If so, that's what I'd do -
access to clean, fresh water, but no food to rest their guts.

Casey

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2a. Re: Chicken allergy?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:49 am ((PDT))

"Kelly P" <picklesrfree@...> wrote:

If you can find some grassfed/pastured livestock, replace what you
can of the feedlot beef. Add fish body oil to her diet. You can add
lots--1000mg per 10lb of dog--for now.

Hot spots are infected wounds. They are infected by bacteria that is
on the dog already; a healthy immune system keeps the levels under
control and a compromised immune system cannot properly respond. In
addition to tweaking her diet and managing the fleas (yeah, like
that's easy or something), consider what else might be going on in
her life that's stressing her immune system.

Chris O

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2b. Re: Chicken allergy?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:08 am ((PDT))

hi, Kelly!
I don't think its hot spots, my guess would be the fleas,
even if you aren't seeing any. Sensitive dogs can itch for an awfully
long time after just one flea bite.

Food allergies or intolerances are pretty rare, especially to raw meats.

Temporarily, I'd recommend a bath in a soothing oatmeal or pure
castile shampoo.

I wouldn't recommend adding extra Vit. 'E'. I add a good Salmon or
Fish Body Oil with no soy or other plant based oils added.

Just to be on the safe side, I'd also get a full panel thyroid test
run,and have my vet send it to Dr Jean Dodds for an diagnostic
evalaution and interpretation.
http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/diagnostic_testing.htm
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> My young dog I believe has hot spots. Since we got her at 3 mos, she
> itches and chews above her tail. At the time, I spotted one flea on
> her and took care of the problem. She's also been raw fed since we
> got her at 3 mos, chicken being the most prominent meat source and
> beef a close second.
>
> I used home remedies to rid her of fleas and keep them off.
>
> She is 7 mos now and every once in a while she still chews above her
> tail. She's been at a friend's house with 3 other dogs for the last
> two weeks and none of them show any signs of flea infestation. I just
> checked her over and found none.
>
> Unfortunately, she is still itching and has now created scabs above
> her tail that she ends up re-opening. She's also been scratching at
> her belly button, which is new.
>
> My guess is she's either allergic to chicken or that the humidity
> here combined with her thick fur is irritating her skin. I don't
> really know. So far, I've tried home remedies to relieve the itching
> and just reverted to Pro Pet Itch Relief tonight.
>
> ....perhaps I'm not feeding her enough organs or she's not getting
> enough vit E?....
>
> Any ideas would be helpful. I'd like to take her itching away
> permanently.
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> Kelly
>

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3a. Re: uh... can i feed him these things?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:50 am ((PDT))

Hi, Ashley!

*YES**add meat* Pork Necks?
*YES* any kind of chicken?
*NO* does it have to have bones?
*YES* is boneless okay?
*YES* chicken thighs?
*YES* hearts and giblets?
>
*Take it slow, start with one protein (chicken is, a good one) and add
one new protein every week or so.* got any other suggestions to what I
can feed my English Mastiff?

*Start with one protein, add a new one every week or so. (pork, beef,
turkey, rabbit, lamb, goat, fish, etc.* Feed 3 meals a day until about
6-7 mo, then 2 meals a day.* He's 17 weeks old!! :D

*YQW!* Thanks for all the help you can give me!!

* Read all the files, and search the archives for messages from
newbies like you, read the responses. Read all the messages and
responses you receive every day, you'll learn a lot! Post Qs often,
you'll get good answers!*
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey
> ~*Ashley Smith*~
>

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3b. Re: uh... can i feed him these things?
Posted by: "pigasus718" pigasus718@yahoo.com pigasus718
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:18 pm ((PDT))

Hi Ashley,
My EM is 12wks old and has done just fine with
everything I've given him.
I gave him an 8lb. pork shoulder this morning and he
tried really hard for about 20 minutes. It was just
too big I think, so I whacked off some large pieces
(head size) and he did just fine.
Don't be afraid to try.
Just be consistent and don't throw
too many different proteins at him at once.

Robyn

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4a. Re: Me again Poultry Cost and QUESTIONS.....necks?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:51 am ((PDT))

I'm not sure where you are from, but the prices seem steep to me.
I'm in Central California and I often find unenhanced whole chicken
for $.99/lb, sometimes on super sale for $.60/lb. If I remember
right, you have a large Lab, right? For a dog that size I would stay
away from chicken necks. They are far too small and the dog could
try to swallow it whole. I'd keep trying to find cheap whole
chickens or chicken quarters if I were you.

> I purchased a stew hen for like $1.88 and it was sealed well
> (vaccuum packed) and when I got home it smelt like rotting. I
> couldn't stand the smell to take it out of the bag so I tossed it
> out instead of giving it to my dog. Should I have still gave it to
> him?

I'll feed my dog stinky meat, but I'm wary of any meat that becomes
stinky while sealed in an airtight container. Those anerobic
beasties give me the willies, so I probably would have thrown it out
too.

> I got pork bone today aswell.....

When you say bone, do you mean just bone? I don't give recreational
bones to my two, so I'm not sure if the red gums is normal. I'd try
to find a meaty bone for the dog to chew on so he can tear off meat
and sinew instead of just crunching on a large bone. Hope that
helps. Let us know what area you are in and we might be able to
point you toward some food resources.

Andrea

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5a. Re: Duck and organ question
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:52 am ((PDT))

>My question is about the duck. It is a whole bird - with the head still attached(eyes, beak), >feet.

Hi. You got real whole Duck?Envy you:-> I bought Duck(Frozen Whole but without head and feet) at Giant a couple days ago,and I will introduce it this week.

I prepped yesterday and it is just me but you can decide if that is what you like to do or not.

Since my dog never had Duck before,I still don't feel comfortable giving whole birds,so,just like theway you started out the chicken,I split the Duck (breast area to tail) in center and then,made it to 2 pieces.Now you have one piece with 1 wing and 1 leg,and the other the same way.

I weighed and it was about 3lb each. So,I cut into about the size my dog needs with combo meal with Elk she is currently on. So,quarter lb pice of Duch+Elk hunk meat will be this week's introductory meal for my dog;Corgi 30lb.

I chopped liver into maybe thumb nail size and, I put 1 piece of liver into 1 Duck piece zip bags but left about 3 bags without.I don't give liver yet though for about her first 3 meal just to see how she does with new meat.

But you can wait till you think your dog is ready. No problems. I justdid so, because my dog seems love organs and it is always the first thing she put into her mouth.

I got neck inside the bird and I can feed it with Elk. And so can you.
I mean,you know that what meat your dog is doing good on,so,give your dog the meat you know your dog does well on and give Neck as well. I think Neck alone is..not much meat I thought.

As for head,same deal.You maybe can cut it and give pairing up with nice hunk of Beef or something.Or,still attached and one piece of Duck is with head,you can make.

As for feet,Maybe you can use as snack just like chicken feet.

>Are duck bones as hard as turkey or chicken?

when I was prepping yesterday,without Cleaver,I could break the backbone with weight of my body(After I made cut with poultry scissor along the breast,I turned it over and push it to crack) and,it sounded in between chicken bone and Turkeybone.I think it is softer than Turkey,I imagine since I could crack with weight.

>I also bought a package of duck gizzards - should I perhaps start with gizzards and only >when she is able to eat those serve a bigger piece of the duck?

I think you can decide when you wannastart but then,if I were you,I see how the dog reacts with combo meal and,add liver to the combo meal and if the dog did ok,I try give gizzard if I want to give into my dog meal.I did not think I got gizzard inside my bird so,I have nothing to give other than liver and hearts that came with Duck.

>Do gizzards give dogs soft stool, or is it just liver?
I imagine that,any too much new things all at once would cause tummy upset,So,I go slow steady feeding.After I know for sure that my dog do good,I introduce new thing at a time.It maybe 3 days after,it maybe 1 week after.It depends on individual dog.

>What is a pork melt? Is it worth buying?

I have no idea but is it stomach content or something? I thought that stomach itself is considered tripe so,for stomack,maybe pork tripe you could call it?

No idea,maybe some one knows better.I am curious too.

I know that Green tripe is cow stomach and,I imagine if you get pork stomach,you can call it pork tripe??

>They also had beef lip, among other things. Is it as fatty as tongue?
I have never seen it.It is really a lips of cow in package?
Kind of yucky to imagine:-P I consider the stuff without bone as muscle -meal candidate but if it were nothing but skin and bit of bone like pork ear,I consider recreational/snack.

If you got it,then,you can try introduce it slowly from small amount to start and if thedog got loosestool,then,that means too much too soon or too fatty or something else so,you can cut back and control it.You have to test the water when start new thing.

>It was quite fascinating to see and buy these organs, but unfortunately my husband does >not share in my excitement. On the contrary, he finds it disgusting.

Yea,mine too. I sometimes let him feed my dog on his dayoff,so,he gets to see how my dog eats and,he doesn't mind watching my dog eating ,and laughing to see how much longer she keeps licking her shower curtain mat to clean up after finishing the meal. He can torelate watching her eating ,but he does not want to touch organ especially and when I prep organ and chopping,he makes so disgusting face. And he makes more disgusating face when I give my dog chicken feet and comments "Now,that is gross".

Anyway,I hope this helped you a bit,

yassy

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6a. Re: need more bone
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:52 am ((PDT))

But also feeding them a whole chicken and trying to regulate them
isn't an answer either as they would eat the whole thing and look to
see if they can get some more ;) I thought about once a day but then
they still act as if they are starving and I have some older dogs who
need to have multiple meals.

> Kellie Verrelli

Hi Kellie, I too have 'starving' dogs. They will not self regulate so
if I were to feed them an entire chicken they would eat all of it.
Somedays I feed them once, maybe a drumstick or a thigh with their
organs and in the evening give them their chicken feet. This satisfies
them. Other days I feed them twice, meaty meals, pork, beef heart,
tongue, etc. These I cut up because they will gulp and I can only feed
them 6 oz. a day (3oz in a chunk they will gulp and vomit). After a
while they get used to not eating two meals or one meal consistently.

Silvina

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6b. Re: need more bone
Posted by: "swilken61" powrfemme@aol.com swilken61
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:52 am ((PDT))

Someone else with more experience may jump in here, but my
understanding is that chicken necks alone are too bony, but as a part
of the diet they are okay.

stephany

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7a. Re: pork neck bones
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:54 am ((PDT))

>I just bought some myself to feed to Siberians-3 years old and 5 months old. Are they OK >if I add extra meat with them?

Hi,BJ. Yea,pork neck bone is ok to feed and if the neck did not have much meat,add more meat to it. Bone itself is not too hard,and all consumarble.

Size wise, I may want to judge if it is too small to feed or not if I were you. I usually give bone bigger than my dog's mouth. No little chunk of bone like cut up 1 inch bone that you can get for soup stock making.The pork neck that I have got was about fist size or little bigger than that.So,I had no worry to give.

yassy

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8a. Re: whole duck
Posted by: "Loretta Luja" luja@comcast.net desertwilite
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

@Duck fat is good fat.. even for humans.. my dogs LOVE whole ducks. And fat
is GOOD for dogs, it gives them energy and it helps their coat and skin.

Catherine R.

Maybe I should go back and get more duck then. At 1.39/lb they seemed
like a steal!
So your dogs do well on duck with no digestion problems?

Loretta

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9a. Re: Broken Teeth
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

>He'll sometimes get the back ribs, but mostly he gets pigs feet and turkey necks
>(with .added meat of course) and chicken quarters. Are the pig's feet too hard for him? Are >the ribs the culprit?

HI. Pork ribs are quite soft like chicken bone so,I doubt that it was culprit. Turkey neck.. I think Turkey bone is harder than chicken but it still is not too hard like beef bone. Chicken quarters..I think it is soft bone and easy to consume.

If you were feeding pig feet often,it maybe it. My dog spend quite time on it if I feed it and pork feet bone seems bit harder than rib harder than pork neck.

You may want to supervise while your dog eats.That way,you know right away what was causing the problems.

I don't leave my dog alone during meal time.

yassy

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9b. Re: Broken Teeth
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:16 pm ((PDT))

Hi Rachel,

What kind of dog is this? How long raw-fed?

Laurie

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> Arghhhhh! I just checked my dog's teeth tonight and both of his upper
> fourth premolars are chipped to where I can see pink.

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10a. Re: Brought home my first foster - How do I get him back in shape?
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:23 am ((PDT))

Thanks for the compliment, but the pics are how he looked before.
Since the pics he's lost some weight and gotten a bit banged up.

*sad face*

Kae

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> Hi, Kae!
> Petey's a happy and handsome boy! If the pics posted represent
> Petey's condition right now, I don't think he needs to gain any weight
> at all, let alone 10 more pounds! Better nutrition surely, but not
> added weight. Raw feeding should give him a sleeker look and show more
> muscle definition.

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10b. Re: Brought home my first foster - How do I get him back in shape?
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:26 am ((PDT))

> I was wondering what you guys would recommend for a big dog who needs
> to gain about 10lbs and has really dull coat. I mean, besides the
> regular chicken, beef hearts, liver, kidney, sweetbreads.
>
> Anything I should look to include? I do give the dogs eggs once or
> twice a week, but so far no one will take fish.
>
> thanks for the advice!
>
> Kae

Hello Kae, try giving him some fish body oil liquid/capsules or salmon
oil capsules. I am giving my pugs 2 capsules of the fish oil because
they had really dry skin. You might do a search regarding the amount of
fish oil to give your dog because it was being discussed not too long
ago. Try feeding him fatty meats, such as duck (I just learned this :),
leave the skin on the chicken he eats. BTW, Petey's a doll ;0)

Silvina

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11a. Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
Posted by: "h.halo" h.halo@yahoo.com h.halo
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 11:42 am ((PDT))

Going camping. What is the best way to feed. I have seen prepackaged
raw. Are there any brands that are better than others. I have heard
of Primal and Columbia River not sure of the different companies that
sell prepackaged raw to take in a cooler.
Any suggestions? I would not want to depend on kibble just will have
a cooler and no refrigeration.
Halo

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11b. Re: Is PrePackaged raw ok for camping
Posted by: "Alison Maffett" sweettuth23@yahoo.com sweettuth23
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:21 pm ((PDT))

You could just feed them what you normally do, to make is easier feed meals just for the night. Just throw each meal into a zip lock bag and put all but one nights into the freezer first and feed them that. Alison

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Any suggestions? I would not want to depend on kibble just will have

a cooler and no refrigeration.

Halo

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12. feeding digestive tract
Posted by: "jmwise80" jmwise80@yahoo.com jmwise80
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:15 pm ((PDT))

I was curious of the general consensus on feeding an animals digestive
tract.

I have "heard", and we all know we have "heard" some pretty good stuff,
that the bad bacterial stuff happens in the digestive tract
particularly in the colon.

As far as worrying about bacteria in raw meat, I know that there really
isn't alot to worry about.

My worry about this comes from 1 bad experience earlier this year. I
had picked up a deer off the side of the road to get blood for blood
tracking training. The guts of the deer had ruptured from getting hit
by a car. Since all the blood was in the chest and belly, that is
where I got it from. While I was doing this, the pup licked up quite a
bit of blood from the deers gut. The next day he had a solid black
bowel movement. About an hour later that turned into bloody, red,
projectile diarrhea(sp?) The vets said it was HGE and was probably the
result of contact with something bad about the deer. (Didn't blame my
diet! Yay!) Although they did say there really wasn't a way to tell
what caused it unless I could 100% isolate a trigger. The other thing
is that I don't know how long the deer was dead either. I am pretty
sure it was less than 8 hours and the temp was in the forties at the
time.

So...That is where my worries about this came from. Is it a legit fear
or ignorance on my part? I would love to hear any opinions on this.

Michael Wise

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13a. Re: forgot on my last message
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:16 pm ((PDT))

Are you the Rachel that just posted about broken teeth? Different
email addresses are showing up, so not sure if that's what you're
referring to. Please clarify.

Thanks,

Laurie

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> that cooking bones is a no-no. If I take those out, cook the rest,
> and give the bones separately will it be ok?
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> Rachel M.
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14.1. Re: What can I feed?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:16 pm ((PDT))

>Pork neck ok?

Hi,Yes. You can.Just add meat to it.

>whatelse can i feed?

I answered to other post but I don't know the digest number I can refer to,so, I write here again.
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I don't feed weight bearing big animal's bone like knuckle bones.

And you decide what protin source you like to use and feed accordingly.

Chicken Whole/organ(liver)/gizzard/hearts/Feet(snack or treat)

Turkey Whole/Neck/heart/gizzard/tail

Pheasant Whole/giblet that comes with whole birds

Duck Whole/giblet that comes with whole bird/Neck/feet
(not introduced to my dog yet tho)

Cornish hen Whole

Beef Boneless meat/Ribs/Neck/Tail/Organs
(liver/kidney)/Heart/Tongue/Cheek/
Green Tripe

Pork Boneless
meat/Ribs/Neck/Tail/Organ(liver/kidney)/heart/feet/Tongue/
ear (snack or treat)

Lamb Boneless meat/Ribs/Neck/heart/Tongue

Goat Boneless Meat/Neck/Ribs/ Heart

Mutton Boneless meat/meat with bone

Elk Boneless Meat/Ribs/Tongue/heart

Buffalo Boneless meat/Ribs/heart/Tongue

Fish
Perch,Mahi-Mahi,Halibut,Flounder,Snapper,RocketFish,Shark,Squid,Scallop,Shrimp,

Clam(can),crab(can),Salmon(can),Mackerral(can),Sardine(can) etc...

You still can feed Quail, Emu,kangaroo,rabbit,ostrich etc etc list goes on but I
did not put them into my dog's menu.

yassy

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15a. Re: Iodine requirments
Posted by: "Shirley" ssthunderpony@yahoo.com ssthunderpony
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:16 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "gevan1a" <gevans@...> wrote:

> Then I thought - where would a wolf get iodine? Is it really
important?
>
> -George
>

##### LOL , You got it brother *grin*

Billingshurst , schmilingshurst , et al are not a complete diet so
they feel the need to supplement but just as with ki**le companies
they have now idea what they really need to add.
Then the trouble begins .................
All vitamins and minerals work with each other in Natures balance so
when you screw up the equation by adding something it all becomes out
of whack causing chain reaction deficiencies of other related
vitamins and
minerals.

Raw prey model IS a complete diet. We call it a 'Model' diet because
that is what we try to do with different parts along with bone and
organ content.

Only thing missing could be some Omega 3s because of the scarcity of
grass fed meat. SO just give some Fish body oil caps that you can
find at any Walmart , etc.(not to be confused with cod-liver oil
which can build up to toxic levels)

If you are lucky you can get some 'real' prey once in a while.

Cheers,
Shirley
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16a. Re: Test
Posted by: "Loretta Luja" luja@comcast.net desertwilite
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:18 pm ((PDT))

Wow.
I thought you guys didn't like me or something!
After I posted a question yesterday I had silence
for 24 hours with not a single email!! Then this
morning around 200 emails came through from
3 different groups. Glad to see it wasn't something
I said! LOL

Loretta

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17a. Re: found goodies at Asian market
Posted by: "pigasus718" pigasus718@yahoo.com pigasus718
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:18 pm ((PDT))

last week I made the round of the ethnic markets.
I went to 4 Asian markets, 1 Latino market, and 1 Mexican
market.
The Asian markets only had fish and I asked at all 4.
One lady even got offended when I asked about chicken feet??
No luck at the Latino market and the Mexican market didn't
have anything different than the grocery.
Did I go about this wrong or could it just be the area I'm in.
I'm in Western KY close to FT Campbell,KY(home of the 101st Airborne)
and Clarksville, TN. That's were I went to the markets.

I keep reading on here that people score great goodies at these
places, but mine was a bust.
Any suggestions?

Robyn
(apparently living in an ethnic food wasteland)

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18a. Re: prey blood
Posted by: "Loretta Luja" luja@comcast.net desertwilite
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:20 pm ((PDT))

@Uh, don't buy the jellied blood. It's salty, that congealed blood
from the Asian market.

I had a feeling something else besides blood was in there.
Thanks Jacinta

Loretta L

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19a. Re: chicken backs question
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:25 pm ((PDT))

Sue,

Generally frames indicate what's left once meat has been removed, although
it does seem to depend on location. In that case, a back would have more
meat...but neither has enough!! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Susan DeLeon" <labonita_persians@yahoo.com>

Are chicken backs and chicken frames the same thing? If so, do chicken
backs have more meat?

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