[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11946

There are 10 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Bone & organ diversity help needed! 6 questions
From: sarahfalkner

2a. Re: HUGE PROBLEM!!! I need all of the help I can get!!!
From: Peggy
2b. Re: HUGE PROBLEM!!! I need all of the help I can get!!!
From: Peggy
2c. Re: HUGE PROBLEM!!! I need all of the help I can get!!!
From: Peggy
2d. Re: HUGE PROBLEM!!! I need all of the help I can get!!!
From: Peggy
2e. Re: HUGE PROBLEM!!! I need all of the help I can get!!!
From: Peggy

3a. Re: Mammoth size knuckle bones?
From: Brandi Bryant

4. What to do next? I am stuck on chicken and other problems.
From: morkydzgrl

5a. Re: Infections and pancreatitis
From: Linda H. Gower

6a. Re: feeding heads/eating teeth
From: merril Woolf

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1a. Re: Bone & organ diversity help needed! 6 questions
Posted by: "sarahfalkner" Sarah.Falkner@gmail.com sarahfalkner
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:28 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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> Hi, Sarah!
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Hi Giselle, thanks SO MUCH for taking the time and attention to answer my many questions,
and I'll check this link out asap!

Sarah

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2a. Re: HUGE PROBLEM!!! I need all of the help I can get!!!
Posted by: "Peggy" peggy070605@sbcglobal.net speakingforfurry
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:41 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Cathy Tweeddale Mitchell"
<duckndogs@...> wrote:
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> Two questions.
>
> How old is the second pup?
>
> Are they crated/contained when not under supervision?
>
> I breed/raise Labradors and I have to tell you that I would never
allow my 7 month old to have free access to the house without
supervision. In fact, I hesitate
> to call them completely housetrained at this age.
>
> I highly doubt it's the food. I would probably guess UTI for one
of them and maybe marking for the other.
>
> Cathy
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No, they're not crated anymore. We've had the male (Lab/Pit mix)
since he was 6 weeks old, and he was crated then. Little by little,
we let him out longer and longer, until we trusted him to be alone.
We still do, as he did this while my husband and I were home. (both
times.) The little one was just welcomed into the family 2 1/2 weeks
ago, and she has had a few accidents here and there, but overall, she
came to us already housetrained. She goes to the door when she has to
go outside.

Thanks,
Peg

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2b. Re: HUGE PROBLEM!!! I need all of the help I can get!!!
Posted by: "Peggy" peggy070605@sbcglobal.net speakingforfurry
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:42 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "katkellm" <katkellm@...> wrote:
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> Do you feed inside? I feed outside and my male dog always pees on the
> ground where he eats and then proceeds to pee on the spots on the
> ground where the other two ate. So, i'm thinkin that maybe, because
> raw food has a higher value to a dog than kibble, that maybe he is
> trying to mark off his feeding territory to keep/hide his food from
> an imagined invasion by another pack of pups and that your other dog
> has decided that maybe a little help is necessary. If thats the case,
> i think that it is a new training issue that can be easily resolved by
> you in a couple of days. Unless you are feeding meat that is enhanced
> with something, i don't believe that it is the result of the contents
> of a raw diet.
> KathyM
>
No, I feed outside. I don't give them meat that's enhanced with
anything. (I don't give them organic meat, but I personally don't add
anything to the meat.)

Thanks,
Peg

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2c. Re: HUGE PROBLEM!!! I need all of the help I can get!!!
Posted by: "Peggy" peggy070605@sbcglobal.net speakingforfurry
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:42 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Morledzep@... wrote:
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>
> In a message dated 8/22/2007 8:24:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> peggy070605@... writes:
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> My husband
> swears up and down it's because of the new diet, which is the only
> recent change. Has anyone else had this problem? I really don't
want to
> take him off of the diet, but I also don't want to sit, sleep, and
walk
> in urine!
>
>
>
>
> ****this is a TRAINING issue, not a diet issue.. it has NOTHING to
do with
> what you're feeding..
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I know, but there hasn't been an issue at all until he started eating
raw.

Thanks,
Peg
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2d. Re: HUGE PROBLEM!!! I need all of the help I can get!!!
Posted by: "Peggy" peggy070605@sbcglobal.net speakingforfurry
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:42 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Casey Post" <mikken@...> wrote:
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> >Has anyone else had this problem? I really don't want to
> > take him off of the diet, but I also don't want to sit, sleep,
and walk
> > in urine! My other pup is also having the same problem, however
not as
> > bad as the dog I've had longer. She urinated on my floor today as
well.
> > So again, has anyone else experienced this?
>
> If it were one dog, my first thoughts would be UTI or food
sensitivity. I
> have some experience with a cat who is sensitive to chicken and
when he eats
> it, he starts marking EVERYTHING - weird, but true. He just
doesn't get
> chicken in his rotation anymore, that's all.
>
> But there are two dogs involved, so now I'm going to have to ask -
what
> EXACTLY are you feeding and was it *enhanced* at all.
>
> Casey

On the fist day, I gave him a turkey leg, 3chicken leg quarters,
(<all for breakfast) and ground beef (<For dinner). Then he urinated
the following morning. I gave him 3 chicken leg quarters for
breakfast, and ground beef mixed with veggies for dinner. (He only
ate a little bit until way later on @ night.) So no, I didn't alter
his food when he did that. The vegetables were "altered" so to speak,
I made a veggie mix for him.

As for the little one, I have her a chicken drumstick for breakfast,
ground beef for dinner, and the following day she had a chicken
drumstick again, and she urinated. Again, for dinner, veggies and
ground beef. (The same as the other pup.)

The weird thing is that my male pup is altered, so he doesn't mark
anything EVER. As for the female, she's only 4 mos. old, so she's not
altered yet.

Thanks,
Peg
>

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2e. Re: HUGE PROBLEM!!! I need all of the help I can get!!!
Posted by: "Peggy" peggy070605@sbcglobal.net speakingforfurry
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:42 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Michelle Crawford
<workingdawgs@...> wrote:
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> How old are these two pups? As other people mentioned, this really
sounds like a behavioral issue or it could be related to the new diet
only because a raw diet is much higher in moisture and if they have
not cut back on their water intake, they may be overloading on water
which could be why they are suddenly urinating in the house.
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>Yeah, they haven't cut down on the water intake at all, I'm going to
have to keep a close eye on that. I just don't see why he'd urinate
on the BED, and the coffee table?!?! I can see like, right by the
door if he couldn't hold it, but he was far from it.

The male is 7mos. and the female is 4 mos.

Thanks,
Peg

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3a. Re: Mammoth size knuckle bones?
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:12 am ((PDT))

Ok! thanks, will do!

On 8/22/07, Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:
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> Brandi,
>
> It's not so much the flavoring that is the problem...it's the hardness of
> the bones which cause tooth damage. I'd get rid of them!
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@gmail.com <bbryant573%40gmail.com>>
>
> > You know those big mammoth size knuckle bones, I bought 2 of them for
> > my GS adults before I start the RAW diet and I'm thinking that with
> > the meat or dried "flavoring" that's on it won't be good for them. Am
> > I correct in my thinking? That I should not give these to my dogs,
> > should I donate them to the SPCA or ARF?
>
>
>

--
Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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4. What to do next? I am stuck on chicken and other problems.
Posted by: "morkydzgrl" ShankMa4@aol.com morkydzgrl
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:36 am ((PDT))

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I have been feeding raw for 12 days now. My feeding plan has been
cutting chickens into quarters and serving (one quarter per day). I
have given him a small bit of heart, liver, and gizzard in the past
12 days.

I am ready to add a protien, but I am not sure what to buy next.
What exactly do I buy? I am understanding the chicken feeding, but I
don't know exactly what to buy when you all say feed beef or lamb or
turkey. I also get worried about the 10% bone vs. the percentage of
meat. How do you tell if it is the correct percentage (the chicken
is easy -- feed the whole thing over a few days). I have some lamb
ribs--are lamb ribs a meal or recreational bone? What is a
recreational bone as he does enjoy chewing for fun?

I am uneasy about the raw and hope I am doing the right thing. It
sounds great, but I am having a few problems. My dog has 3 hot spots
now. Could it be from the raw? I have been having a problem with
fleas but I flea comb him several times a day and vaccum a lot. I
keep him contained in my kitchen so as not to spread the fleas. I
usually find none to maybe two so I know I am making headway. I am
trying to deal with the fleas naturally as well as with the food
naturally. What am I doing wrong? Hot spots, fleas, and he doesn't
smell very good either. I am in the thick of it. Please help.

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5a. Re: Infections and pancreatitis
Posted by: "Linda H. Gower" pudeltime@bellsouth.net pudeltime
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:09 am ((PDT))

> He's got opinions, but they don't hold up to the facts - I'd remember that
> vets get VERY little nutritional training (and what they do get is brought
> to them courtesy of the commercial dog food producers - vested interest,
> anyone?), so I imagine that vet techs get even less - let's ask the vet
> techs here what they think, eh?

Vet Tech schools pretty much rank right up there with vet schools on how much nutrition is taught. We had one course hour - sponsored by Hills - you can imagine where that got us.

This guy is kookoo as was said before. I've never known a clinic to treat any animal "off site" for any diet reason. I'd be willing to bet vets don't have any idea what 75% of their clients feed their dogs. Our clinic was bought by a mid 30s vet and the other two that are working there are around the same age - don't think any of them have a clue about raw diet. I'm only an occasional worker, but just for curiosity I'm going to poll whoever is working this Saturday on their feelings on raw diets. Just to see what these guys' knowledge is. Its not going to change my mind, but just curious as to what this new crew thinks.

Thank goodness I've found a private individual that does boarding who feeds raw, so I can at least have a place to board the boys that understands...........

Linda Gower LVT - with two Poodle boys
Middle TN

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6a. Re: feeding heads/eating teeth
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:36 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> I posted this before but don't think I got any replies:
>
> When you feed a head (like a lamb's head), does your dog eat the
> teeth? Are there any safety concerns with a dog eating teeth? Mine is
> a 20 lb. Boston, if that makes any difference.
> Laurie
>

Mine don't eat the teeth from larger animals but do on small prey animals. I'm always
finding the teeth of some critter in a dog bed or under the couch.

Merril

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