[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11956

There are 21 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Slippery Elm powder
From: Ivette Casiano
1b. Re: Slippery Elm powder
From: Giselle

2a. Re: Turkey legs
From: r ej

3a. Re: Bear meat/parts
From: linoleum5017

4a. Re: Newbie reassurance & questions
From: linoleum5017
4b. Re: Newbie reassurance & questions
From: Morledzep@aol.com

5a. Re: Not good teeth
From: costrowski75
5b. Re: Not good teeth
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: Skin allergy
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: Venison Organs/Parts & First Rawfed litte
From: costrowski75

8a. Re: are dogs carnivoirs or omnivoirs
From: Giselle
8b. Re: are dogs carnivoirs or omnivoirs
From: mandajenwalker

9a. Re: Fantastic Score!!!
From: Lindsay Dorian

10a. Beef Ribs
From: jmwise80
10b. Re: Beef Ribs
From: Giselle
10c. Re: Beef Ribs
From: Laurie Swanson
10d. Re: Beef Ribs
From: woofwoofgrrl

11.1. Re: question
From: Katie

12a. Re: Okay rawfeeders, riddle me this...
From: Kelly P

13a. Re: vegetarian who wants to start feeding my ill 6 month old puppy r
From: Giselle

14a. worms, bones, old dogs
From: financialcongratulatory

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1a. Re: Slippery Elm powder
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:15 pm ((PDT))

<<...Dosage is human dosage on package? I need to see when I get it though.For 30lb dog,it maybe tiny bit,I am guessing...>>

I gave Slipper Elm to a 90 lbs. dog. I opened 2 capsules and sprinkled the powder onto his food. That seemed like a good dose.

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1b. Re: Slippery Elm powder
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:50 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Ivette and Yassy!
I use the loose SEBP and generally use 1 tsp
sprinkled over a meal or mixed in a 1 ounce ground or chopped chicken
meat meatball.

I feed 1 per meal and if there is real diarrhea or irritation, I fast
and feed several interspersed throughout the day, offering plenty of
fresh water or broth.

I haven't needed or seen a need to use larger doses for larger or
giant breed dogs, but it wouldn't hurt if the dose was doubled, but
I'd add 2 tsp SEBP to 1 ounce meat instead.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> <<...Dosage is human dosage on package? I need to see when I get it
though.For 30lb dog,it maybe tiny bit,I am guessing...>>
>
> I gave Slipper Elm to a 90 lbs. dog. I opened 2 capsules and
sprinkled the powder onto his food. That seemed like a good dose.
>
>
>
> Ivette Casiano
> "Live for today, plan for tomorrow"

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2a. Re: Turkey legs
Posted by: "r ej" ejtwins2002@yahoo.com ejtwins2002
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:17 pm ((PDT))

i feed my 18 lb westie a turkey drumstick all the time. i do watch him very carefully when he approaches the nub end.
ej

Morledzep@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/22/2007 2:39:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ricottaj@mac.com writes:

New to rawfeeding and wondering if it is okay to feed a turkey drumstick to
my dog. She is a
50 pound pitbull/boxer mix.

Jen,

nothing wrong with turkey drumsticks.. they are favorite foods here.. except
most of my dogs eat the drumsticks with the thighs still attached, like a
chicken leg quarter only bigger..

Catherine R.

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3a. Re: Bear meat/parts
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:17 pm ((PDT))

Erika,

Guess he's finished, cause it's now Friday, and I'm just reading the
post. Good for U! Just wanted to encourage you in feeding all the
parts.

Take care,
Lynne

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "erica" <ericagordon@...> wrote:
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> bear parts. My Dad is on the list & a bear was hit by a car. He is
processing it & is saving me the head, liver, lungs & heart. > Erica
>

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4a. Re: Newbie reassurance & questions
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:19 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Mary Whetsel" <chickiboo@...>
wrote:
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> Hi all,
Welcome, Mary.

> I just joined the group and have just started raw feeding my 2 dogs
> chicken leg quarters - cheap & seemed like a good place to start.
***yup.

Still, I'm wondering how long I should stay unconcerned. One dog
(she's a 100 lb St. Bernardmix) still has the diarrhea.

****I'd give it a few more days, and keep the bone ratio high.
Switching protein would likely make it worse, so try to stick to the
one meat until the stool is more solid.

The other dog (a 85lb rather nervous golden/newfie mix) seems just
fine activity wise and all, but hasn't gone at all since Monday
afternoon. I have read there is less waste, but is that acceptable?

******Yes. A couple of days, when new to raw, will easily have that
effect.

But then they seem to spend a lot of time chewing, swallowing it as
one big chewed up piece. but should I be somehow encouraging
smaller pieces?

***** For your sized dogs, I'd be inclined to go to LARGER pieces,
not smaller. Chicken quarters are really for smaller dogs. Go for
whole prey, like whole chicken or turkey, then once your dogs
are 'pooping well,' expand to other (large) critters.

I'm confused by the whole bone/meat ratio and how much is in
what. -Mary

****This list recommends 80% rawmeat, 10% bone, 10% organs, (half of
that 10% should be liver - iow, 5% of the entire diet is liver.) It
is that important to get organs into the diet - especially liver.
Lots of posts in the archives on how to introduce liver to your
rawfed dog.

Basically, the closer to whole prey food you can get, the more ideal
the diet.

Your dogs soundwonderful! Let us know if the diarrhea improves.
Lynne

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4b. Re: Newbie reassurance & questions
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:31 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/24/2007 7:20:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
linoleum5017@yahoo.com writes:

I'm confused by the whole bone/meat ratio and how much is in
what.

Mary,

i realize that percentages can be confusing.. the real purpose of the 80%,
10%, 10% is to get you to think about bones being a SMALL portion of the diet,
rather than a large portion of it. Same goes for organs, they are important,
but should not be a major portion.

you want to look for MEAT with a bone in it, not BONE with some meat on it.
does that make any sense?

whole hunks of animals, legs, breasts, rib slabs rather than single ribs.

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5a. Re: Not good teeth
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:37 pm ((PDT))

"carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
> In 4 1/2 years of raw feeding, I have never seen my dogs use front
> teeth to eat with. Yes, often they get a whole picnic pork roast or
> Boston Butt pork roast. They always use side teeth when eating, no
> matter what it is or how large it is.
*****
All I can say darlin' is you're either watching the wrong dogs or
feeding the wrong food.

Chris O

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5b. Re: Not good teeth
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:44 pm ((PDT))

"Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...> wrote:
>Most especially when they
> get something like a slab o' beef ribs, where there's lots of lovely
nibling
> to be done to get the last bits of connective tissue off before I
take them
> away.
*****
Yep. I was thinking about those beef ribs and that connective tissue.
I almost always have to pluck the sinew from between my dog's incisors
after a rib fest.

> > <lots of snippage>
*****
Ooh!
This is even better than <snippety-snip>! Cool.
Chris O

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6a. Re: Skin allergy
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:50 pm ((PDT))

"steph.sorensen" <steph.sorensen@...> wrote:
>> If the bumps don't go away or appear to get worse and you can't
> figure out the problem, I can always ask my co-worker again what
> food she is using for her rescue.
*****
It's Purina H/A or something like that. Fact is, there is probably a
list (although perhaps short) of whole raw meats an "allergic" dog can
gainfully eat.

It's just that allopathic vets tend not to buy into raw diets, thus
preventing many "allergic" dogs from ever experiencing real food.
Chris O

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7a. Re: Venison Organs/Parts & First Rawfed litte
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:54 pm ((PDT))

"aqualitybeagles" <a-qualitybeagles@...> wrote:
>> It seems as if everyone is alright with the venison. I have not yet
> tried venison organs and I think that it will take some time before
> the whole pack eagerly dives into a carcass, but for a first time with
> such a large piece and with this new meat I think it went well.
*****
My dogs (and cats, too) have always done really well on venison. From
its introduction I could feed heaps of meat and dole out meaty body
parts without producing anything more than mildly loose stools. My
pup's first meal home was vension and nope, not even a hiccup.
Chris O

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8a. Re: are dogs carnivoirs or omnivoirs
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:23 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Mandy!
Make sure your vet does the full thyroid panel and submits
the results for Dr Jean Dodds to interpret and give her diagnostic
report.
http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/diagnostic_testing.htm

For answers about carnivore vs. omnivore, look at the dog's wild
cousins, the wolves; the ones they share DNA and can interbreed with.
Ask yourself, what would the wolf do?
'nuff said. : )
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I agree, Carol! And I appreciate your honesty! I have had my doubts
> about her in the past and have often thought of changing....
> As far as the diet, I want to first observe the way my dogs react to
> the raw diet and use my own judgment from there. I am a skeptic until
> I see results for myself.
> Thank You again,
> Mandy

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8b. Re: are dogs carnivoirs or omnivoirs
Posted by: "mandajenwalker" walker1031@chartermi.net mandajenwalker
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:08 am ((PDT))

Thank You Giselle,
I will do that! I agree with everyone that dogs are in fact
carnivoirs. I was blown away when my doctor told me they were
"omnivoirs"....

Thanks again,
Mandy

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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> Hi, Mandy!
> Make sure your vet does the full thyroid panel and submits
> the results for Dr Jean Dodds to interpret and give her diagnostic
> report.
> http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/diagnostic_testing.htm
>
> For answers about carnivore vs. omnivore, look at the dog's wild
> cousins, the wolves; the ones they share DNA and can interbreed with.
> Ask yourself, what would the wolf do?
> 'nuff said. : )
> TC
> Giselle
> with Bea in New Jersey
>
>
> > I agree, Carol! And I appreciate your honesty! I have had my doubts
> > about her in the past and have often thought of changing....
> > As far as the diet, I want to first observe the way my dogs react to
> > the raw diet and use my own judgment from there. I am a skeptic until
> > I see results for myself.
> > Thank You again,
> > Mandy
>

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9a. Re: Fantastic Score!!!
Posted by: "Lindsay Dorian" iamentropygirl@gmail.com irwin_bird
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:41 pm ((PDT))

The heads are arriving tonight - not guts unfortunately since they were
removed by the supplier before delivery but it's a go for the heads...

I am a bit ashamed to admit that I was picturing feeding the heads for
breaky (followed by a nice boneless dinner) maybe in a big bowl like some
sort of macabre breakfast cereal : )

Lindsay

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10a. Beef Ribs
Posted by: "jmwise80" jmwise80@yahoo.com jmwise80
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:42 pm ((PDT))

I just saw in another post someone mention beef ribs. The only beef
bone that I have fed is some oxtail, which was mostly consumable for my
dog.

How edible are beef ribs?

My dog is one of those that starts on one end and goes to the other.
Eventually he will start picking off meat, but not before he gives the
bone his best shot.

Are beef ribs much harder than pork ribs? Just curious. We are trying
to expand the big complicated meals that we have and beef ribs would be
something I know I can get. I was just trying to get a heads up if
beef ribs were something you would take away from a big shot chewer.
He would try to eat a whole beef shank if I let him.

Michael Wise

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10b. Re: Beef Ribs
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:16 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Michael!
I occasionally feed beef ribs, they're cheap enough, and
the market where I get them will cut them to order. But, they are
fatty, and not very meaty either. Also, They are pretty hard and my
girl only chews the ends off. Being beef, they are pretty dense, I
would categorize them as tooth breakers, if your dog is a determined
cruncher, but some peeps feed 'em to their dogs, who eat them entirely.

Why not feed whole pork shoulder roasts or fresh hams? They are pretty
big, pretty cheap, and engaging, with a big bone that is entirely
consumable. There's fat, but a lot of meat, and skin, too. Lamb breast
ribs are somewhat cheap, but are fatty, but soft. I will feed whole
pork neck bones with beef or veal heart or chicken gizzards or
sometimes ground beef frozen to them - not *too* large, but Bea likes
them, with meat added.

What about whole turkeys? Large, complicated, and edible bones. Not to
mention, cheap, too.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I just saw in another post someone mention beef ribs. The only beef
> bone that I have fed is some oxtail, which was mostly consumable for my
> dog.
>
> How edible are beef ribs?
>
> My dog is one of those that starts on one end and goes to the other.
> Eventually he will start picking off meat, but not before he gives the
> bone his best shot.
>
> Are beef ribs much harder than pork ribs? Just curious. We are trying
> to expand the big complicated meals that we have and beef ribs would be
> something I know I can get. I was just trying to get a heads up if
> beef ribs were something you would take away from a big shot chewer.
> He would try to eat a whole beef shank if I let him.
>
>
> Michael Wise
>

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10c. Re: Beef Ribs
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:24 am ((PDT))

Beef ribs seem quite a bit harder than pork ribs for my dog. He's a 20
lb. Boston (strong jaw, power chewer). He can do pork ribs fine. He'd
probably do beef ribs, too, just like he used to do the beef marrow and
knuckle bones before I knew better. But he's got a couple chipped
teeth from those. So now, I'll let him clean off the beef ribs and
maybe nibble the end a little, but then I take them away. If your dog
is bigger, they might be ok. I know Yassy's Corgi eats them. What do
y'all with bigger dogs think?

Laurie

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> How edible are beef ribs?

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10d. Re: Beef Ribs
Posted by: "woofwoofgrrl" cmc4lists1@gastrounit.com woofwoofgrrl
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:49 am ((PDT))

My dogs LOVE beef ribs. I have two whippets and a border collie - 25 -
45lbs. None of them eat the bone, although they will nibble the ends a
bit. It's an engaging meal that they really enjoy, it keeps 'em busy for
a nice while!
Christine

Laurie Swanson wrote:
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>
> Beef ribs seem quite a bit harder than pork ribs for my dog. He's a 20
> lb. Boston (strong jaw, power chewer). He can do pork ribs fine. He'd
> probably do beef ribs, too, just like he used to do the beef marrow and
> knuckle bones before I knew better. But he's got a couple chipped
> teeth from those. So now, I'll let him clean off the beef ribs and
> maybe nibble the end a little, but then I take them away. If your dog
> is bigger, they might be ok. I know Yassy's Corgi eats them. What do
> y'all with bigger dogs think?
>
> Laurie

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11.1. Re: question
Posted by: "Katie" kcrockett@mac.com kcrockettla7
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:43 pm ((PDT))

no - she has never pattycaked . . . nor did either of the 2 other schips who are waiting for me
at the Bridge.

but she LOVES her brand new raw diet . . . she is 13 years old, and the alpha dog in our
household, which includes, not only my 2 goldens and border/aussie mis, but also the
assorted golden rescue who reside here while waiting for forever homes!!

...katie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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> Oooh, a Schippy! I miss my little Perky. : (
> Kiss 'n hug your little black dog for me, Katie. Does he pattycake?

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12a. Re: Okay rawfeeders, riddle me this...
Posted by: "Kelly P" picklesrfree@yahoo.com picklesrfree
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:43 pm ((PDT))

The biggest thing I give my dog so far is either pork shoulder or beef
brisket. The brisket I tend to bring home, cut up into pound hunks,
and keep a few days worth in the fridge with the rest in my freezer.
The pork shoulder, however I give to her whole. She eats until she's
full, and the shoulder goes in the fridge. The shoulder is usually
small enough to fit in my fridge. The brisket, however, takes up too
much room, otherwise I would avoid freezing it as well.

I live in texas where it can get very hot and humid. My dog eats
outside. She loves to drop her meat in the dirt, drag on the grass,
and then eat it. It can sit out there with her for an hour or a little
more before I bring it back into the house. I usually rinse off the
dirt/bark she's accumulated on it, stick it in a large tub/pot/what
have you, and in the fridge it goes. I have not had a problem feeding
this way. I have had a shoulder start smelling funny after about 5
days of this, but now my girl is big enough to get through one in about
3. I have also done this with turkey carcasses.

Kelly

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13a. Re: vegetarian who wants to start feeding my ill 6 month old puppy r
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:44 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Rhonda!
YQW and thanks for the info about your dog.

My suggestions would be to keep her on 3 meals a day, maybe even add a
meal.

With Diabetes, keeping the blood sugar level; from rising too high, or
dipping too low is important, so small meals interspersed throughout
the entire day would be ideal. Is she on insulin?

With Pancreatitis, you want to avoid cooked fats and oils, especially
plant based oils which a dog cannot process properly. Don't eliminate
fats from the diet, but try to trim all visible fat, and feed leaner
meats.

For supplements, an enzyme supp can your dog help digest foods until
his digestive system is adjusted to eating raw. Feed a good quality
human grade enzyme, adjusted for your dog's size with meals.

A probiotic can help also, but needs to be fed in between meals.
Again, feed a good quality human grade probiotic that has to be
refrigerated. No milk, sugars (even fructose), soy or plant based
ingredients should be in it.

My recommendation to begin feeding a raw diet would be to chuck the
kibble! Donate it to your local animal shelter, if you don't want to
'waste' it. Even expensive kibble is inappropriate for a carnivore.
Dogs, and wolves, need meat, fat, and bone. The herbivores eat the
vegetation, the carnivores eat the herbivores, and they both get the
nutrition that they each need, in the form that each can process.

Go to the store, and buy some chickens or chicken parts. Whole
chickens are better.

You don't say what breed or weight or size your pup is, so I'm going
to say start by feeding, by weight; 2-3% of your pups estimated ideal
adult weight. This is just a guideline to start with, you can and
should adjust the amounts as she grows.

Cut the chickens into parts, a heavy duty kitchen shears a work well.
Trim off the visible fat. Divide the total daily amount by 3 meals, or
4 meals, and feed accordingly. Keep a few days worth of meals in the
fridge, the rest can go in the freezer. I reuse/recycle plastic
baggies for raw meals by putting the empty baggies back in the freezer
for next time.

You can toss the gizzards and heart in with a bony meal, like a leg
quarter or drumstick. Cut the liver up in tiny bits, freeze them in a
baggie and feed one tiny bit at a meal, as liver can be very loosening.

Feed this way for a week, or two. Your pup should respond well to the
smaller, more frequent meals, dosing with the supps at appropriate
times, and raw meat and bone!

Your pup may have loose, even runny poops at first, or intermittently,
there is some adjustment from kibble to raw. You can feed a little
Slippery Elm Bark Powder to soothe her gut if this happens;
http://fiascofarm.com/herbs/supplements.htm

Sprinkle it on her meals, or make meatballs with 1 tsp of SEBP to 1
ounce raw ground or chopped chicken. Feed 1 - 1 oz. meatball per meal.

Add another protein, like turkey, or pork, or rabbit, fish, beef or
lamb - one at a time and feed each for a week or two until adjusted,
then add another. Remember, we are aiming for feeding a species
appropriate raw whole prey model diet - thats the ideal. Most of us
have to settle for feeding body parts, but we feed as much protein,
body part and organ variety as we can, over time. The general rule of
thumb is; 80% meat(muscle, fat, connective tissue) 10% edible bone and
10% organ (half of that should be liver).

Cooking raw meat changes the composition of it, and makes it harder
for a dog to digest. Feeding just meat, especially cooked meat, and no
edible bone, can cause sloppy stools in a pup that isn't used to
anything but kibble.

While you are feeding through several chickens, read the daily
messages, even ones you think won't pertain to your specific
situation, read up on the archives, using keywords such as; new to
raw, newbie, help, diabetes, pancreatitis, EPI, etc. Read the files,
and visit and read the links.

Here is a list to help you source meats;
> where do you look for meat suppliers?

Permission to repost from Lis

1) look up meat and poultry packers, processors, and distributors in
the yellow pages. You may be able to get great prices from them if
you order in bulk, and/or they may have a discount outlet that is
open to the public.
2) I get many of my best deals in Asian/Oriental markets. I've also
heard that Hispanic and Caribbean markets have great variety and
prices too.
3) you may be able to join a barter group.
4) google breeders (i.e. rabbit, goat, lamb, etc.) who are in your
geographic area. They may have culls they want to get rid of, or
lower prices overall.
5) look up bulk suppliers and frozen bulk foods in your yellow pages.
6) if you have a Chinatown nearby, definitely make a visit.
7) let your friends, relatives, and neighbors know you want any
freezer burn or old meat when they clean out their freezers, and tell
them to pass the word along.
8) if you belong to a church or social group, tell those members to
mention it to their friends and relatives as well.
9) see if there are any co-ops or meat buying groups near you. Check
on Yahoo, or google to see.
10) try Craigslist - it's amazing what you can get for free or cheap.
11) and I get meat and fish all the time (for free) through
Freecycle. Join multiple lists if there are a few close by.
12) some Wal-marts and some Costcos and some Sams Clubs have good
deals, but you may want to make sure it's not seasoned meat.
13) definitely watch the the flyers, and you can usually see the rest
of the flyers online (the ones that don't get delivered to your house,
but are only a short drive away).
14) *** hands down, the bulk of my best deals have been marked down
meat at regular grocery stores. They reduce it the day before it is
going to expire, and I go as early as I can to get it before it is
gone.
15) tell friends and relatives who hunt and fish that you want first
dibs on any body parts they don't. You can probably get at least the
organs and maybe the head. Also ask them to put you in touch with
their other friends who hunt and fish.
16) a great tip I learned here a while back â€" some restaurants
throw out things they don't use, like the organs that come inside
whole poultry, or raw meat that falls on the floor. see if they'll
save them for you. Find somebody who knows somebody who works there.
17) farmer's markets are great, but pick and choose carefully for the
best bargains. and sometimes at the end of the day some vendors will
reduce their prices, cause they don't want to take it back with them.
18) some people contact taxidermists, who have no use for the meat.
19) find people on this list from your vicinity, and ask them where
they get their meat deals. Join other raw feeding lists (there are
many), and ask if there are other raw feeders in your area.
20) tell your butcher you want the meat that they would normally
throw out, that is almost out of date, that people ordered and didn't
pick up, stuff that was dropped on the floor, their freezer
cleanouts, and parts that don't sell (like trachea, lungs, spleen,
etc.). Some butchers will save their trim for you (once they get to
know you). Build a relationship with them first.
21) yes, roadkill works too (where it is legal). In some places you
can get your name on the list and get called when they have large
roadkill (like deer)
22) you can raise your own meat/poultry if you have the room
23) post a message in CarnivoreFeed-Supplier or CFS-Canada if you are
in North America:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CarnivoreFeed-Supplier/
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/CFS-Canada/
24) speak to local farmers
25) also look for heart, tongue, and gizzards which count as meat (as
opposed to organ) in the world of raw feeding, but are often cheaper
than other muscle meats
26) find somebody who knows somebody who works at the grocery store.
They can introduce you to the meat guy, who may become more willing
to save stuff for you or reduce items about to expire, once they know
you.
27) check the internet. Some suppliers have affordable prices, even
after shipping costs are calculated.

Lis

Post when you have more Qs or a problem, or just to keep us updated!
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

Hi Giselle,

She was diagnosed at the ripe old age of 4 months; she was having
diarrhea and was lethargic Friday of Memorial weekend I took her to
the vet who took a blood test on her and her blood sugar was 600,
normal is 80 to 150 she had to stay at the emergency vet all weekend
[which was a small fortune I might add] they did the test for EPI and
she had that too.
<snip>

Thanks for the encouragement.

Rhonda
> Oh Sorry you said to remind you of what I have been feeding:I am just
> going to copy and past from my other post so here it is?I feed her 3
> to 4 times a day � teaspoon of BioCase V, and a omega 3 capsule, a
> probiotic timed released tablet, in clover enzymes for dogs
> [Prebiotic: Fructooligosaccharides, Enzyme Blend: Acid Stable
> Protease, Amylase, Lipase, Cellulase. No fillers, lactose, sugar,
> preservatives or animal products]
> mixed with plain organic yogurt, sometimes organic eggs, sometimes
> broiled salmon, with the ingredients of the current dry dog food
> which is Castor and Pollux <snip>

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14a. worms, bones, old dogs
Posted by: "financialcongratulatory" jess.hamway@gmail.com financialcongratulatory
Date: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:21 am ((PDT))

Is it possible for a dog to get worms from eating raw meat?

Also, what bones are edible besides chicken bones? If those are the
only edible bones than that means I should be feeding some chicken
daily, no?

Is there anything I should be doing differently for an older dog?

Thanks!

Jess and Toby

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