[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11912

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. whole chicken tonight??
From: mgn_moore
1b. Re: whole chicken tonight??
From: costrowski75
1c. Re: whole chicken tonight??
From: mgitaville
1d. Re: whole chicken tonight??
From: Giselle
1e. Re: whole chicken tonight??
From: Yasuko herron
1f. Re: whole chicken tonight??
From: Denise Strother
1g. Re: whole chicken tonight??
From: mgn_moore

2. Swift Tribe Questions (lengthy)
From: Ash

3a. Re: guilt and anger
From: chaparraltrail
3b. Re: guilt and anger
From: costrowski75
3c. Re: guilt and anger
From: Marjorie Trebino

4a. Re: feeling anxious
From: michelle_alameda

5. from a fairly new raw feeder in UK
From: Emma Goucher

6a. Re: Leftover Kibble
From: L.Tucker

7a. Re: probiotics
From: Loretta Luja
7b. Re: probiotics
From: Denise Strother
7c. Re: probiotics
From: costrowski75

8. Just started feeding raw
From: Kathleen M. Hunter

9a. Re: the trouble w/pork bones
From: Yasuko herron

10a. weight of food or feeding small dogs
From: swilken61
10b. Re: weight of food or feeding small dogs
From: Goin8@aol.com

11. feeding beef
From: Becky Brooks (Marsh)

12.1. Question
From: Joe Rodriguez

13. Re: [rawfeeding] Re: My dog is gaining weight but doesn't nee
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

14. RAW Feeding and stools
From: donnad2998@yahoo.com

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1a. whole chicken tonight??
Posted by: "mgn_moore" mgn_moore@yahoo.com mgn_moore
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:31 am ((PDT))

Ok, I have been reading and taking notes from this group and I think I
am ready!! For tonight, I can go by the grocery store and buy a cornish
hen and feed it to my boxer, right? I don't have to do anything but
unwrap it and throw it to her? Just want to make sure before I do
anything. I am very nervous about the bones!
Megan....and thank you all so much for dealing with me!

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1b. Re: whole chicken tonight??
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:15 am ((PDT))

"mgn_moore" <mgn_moore@...> wrote:
>For tonight, I can go by the grocery store and buy a cornish
> hen and feed it to my boxer, right? I don't have to do anything but
> unwrap it and throw it to her?
*****
Well, it probably should be thawed out for her maiden voyage, and if
there's a bag of giblets stuffed inside it, you should probably
remove it.

The game hens I am familiar with weigh about 18-22oz; assuming your
girl is a "typical" boxer, a whole game hen would be just about
perfect for a day's feeding. If you plan to feed twice a day, two
game hens day would be a bit much. At least at this point in her
career. You might have to open the bird up some so she gets the
idea: some dogs have trouble understanding that raw meat is food.

Just want to make sure before I do
> anything. I am very nervous about the bones!
*****
Cornish game hens are adolescent chickens. "Real" chickens are
processed at 5 to 7 weeks; chickens destined for game hen fame are
processed younger than that. The bones are hardly even bones yet.

Please let us know how it goes.
Chris O

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1c. Re: whole chicken tonight??
Posted by: "mgitaville" mgitaville@hotmail.com mgitaville
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:21 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mgn_moore" <mgn_moore@...> wrote:
>
> Ok, I have been reading and taking notes from this group and I
think I
> am ready!! For tonight, I can go by the grocery store and buy a
cornish
> hen and feed it to my boxer, right? I don't have to do anything but
> unwrap it and throw it to her? Just want to make sure before I do
> anything. I am very nervous about the bones!
> Megan....and thank you all so much for dealing with me!
>

******Is there a reason for the cornish hen instead of a whole
chicken? Generally the chicken is much cheaper and has far more
meat. For a new dog I would be a bit worried about the amount of
bone in a cornish hen, but more so of a dog gulping it. I have
bullmastiffs and depsite being closer to boxer size I think I fed the
hens only once.....just not sure worth the price.
I personally would suggest the whole chicken and then feed roughly
half or a third depending on how much your dog should be eating and
how big the chicken is.

Marguerita

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1d. Re: whole chicken tonight??
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:32 am ((PDT))

Hi, uh, Hello!
Is your Boxer full grown?
If he is, even if you are nervous about feeding meat with bones, you
should be feeding a quarter or half chicken, at least.

I usually recommend Cornish Hens to start out only for tiny dogs, like
Yorkies or Chihuahuas especially pups of toy breeds. Cornish hens are
very young chickens, and are usually too small to feed large breeds.

my recommendations:
1) Buy several chickens, cut them in half or quarters.

2)Read the label, make sure they aren't enhanced or injected with salt
or flavored solutions.

3) Bag and freeze all but enough for a few meals, put the rest in the
fridge.

4) At mealtime, toss a large towel or old rug (washable) on the floor
in your dogs eating place, and put a half or quarter chicken on it.

5) Tell him what you usually tell him "Eat your dinner." or "OK, get
it." or whatever, and stand back! Don't hover or stare, go have a seat
while he figures it out.

6) Marvel at the natural wonder of a dog eating what it was born to eat!

If you haven't yet, read the files on the webpage. Follow the links to
the raw feeding help sites posted. Do searches for keywords such as
new, newbie, new to raw, etc. and read up. Read all the messages and
responses posted to the group for the last few days.

TC,
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Ok, I have been reading and taking notes from this group and I think I
> am ready!! For tonight, I can go by the grocery store and buy a cornish
> hen and feed it to my boxer, right? I don't have to do anything but
> unwrap it and throw it to her? Just want to make sure before I do
> anything. I am very nervous about the bones!
> Megan....and thank you all so much for dealing with me!
>

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1e. Re: whole chicken tonight??
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:35 am ((PDT))

>I am very nervous about the bones!

Hi.Don't worry about bones. Chicken bones are quite soft.I have never fed Cornish hen but i suppose it is soft bone as well.

I have fed pheasant,Turkey other than Chicken but I had no problems with bone.

Pheasant bone seemed soft as well and Turkey bone is..maybe bit harder than chicken but not terribly hard like Beef Ribs for example.

My dog is Corgi,about 30lb,but she ate all bones without any problems so don't worry.

Since the raw has different texture and bland flavor compare to kibble so,your dog may and may not eat the food thatr is served but be patient and,your dog gets to enjoy the meal as time passes.

Good luck

yassy

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1f. Re: whole chicken tonight??
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:35 am ((PDT))

Megan,
That would be fine for her. If you want to save a little money, just
get a chicken and halve or quarter it depending on it's size. Relax
about the bones. I have Chihuahuas (3.5 and 5 lbs) and a Pit Bull
(45lbs), when I feed whole chickens I cut down the middle with
kitchen shears and open it up (this might be good to do for yours in
the beginning). I can feed them whole, but cutting it open helps the
little guys. If left whole they tend to eat just wings, legs and/or
thighs because the ends of the wings and legs are an easy starting
place for smaller mouths, so this gives them more options on where
to start. I just let the Chi's eat and when they finish, I let the
Pit eat her fill. Usually they will finish a 1.5 to 2 lber. If there
is any left, they get it later. The Chi's eat all but the biggest
leg and thigh bones in larger birds and they even eat the cartilage
off of those. They are the same with ducks. The 5lber can even eat
some ribs in smaller lamb breasts. Hope this makes you less nervous,
that can hinder your dogs open-ness to this new experience. Denise

For tonight, I can go by the grocery store and buy a cornish hen and
feed it to my boxer, right? I don't have to do anything but unwrap
it and throw it to her? Just want to make sure before I do
anything. I am very nervous about the bones! Megan....and thank you
all so much for dealing with me!

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1g. Re: whole chicken tonight??
Posted by: "mgn_moore" mgn_moore@yahoo.com mgn_moore
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:56 am ((PDT))

Hello, and yes, she is almost 3 years old. She is approximately 60
pounds.

Megan
Is your Boxer full grown?

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2. Swift Tribe Questions (lengthy)
Posted by: "Ash" want4rain@yahoo.com want4rain
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:18 am ((PDT))

we have 3 cats, Hunter(m), Shadow(m) and Baby Girl(f). all three are
3yo. Baby Girl has always been small at around 10lbs but Hunter and
Shadow (brothers) have always been a bit on the large size (between 16
to 18lbs). we started them out on Iams kitten and at a year old went
to Iams Indoor Adult. at 2yo we put them on Eukanuba Weight Control.
they were still gaining weight. as i said before, the boys have always
been over weight (could it be those carbs?? *rolls eyes*), Shadow had
the all over chub but Hunter had udders. yes, cow udders. they would
flop around when he ran. Hunter has also had gingivitis. we get his
teeth cleaned yearly. we have also recently discovered he has pica (or
IS pica???). licking, chewing, eating non food things, OCD....

a few months ago i started researching different diets. it started out
with looking for the real difference between kibble and canned wet
food. lets just say that even before i got to the "I Hate Commercial
Pet Food" pages, i had decided it was pretty gross stuff.

it took a while but i finally found a homemade cooked diet i was
satisfied with. about that time our dog Mister (male lab mix) started
exploding at night. come to find out our vet wanted him on a low
residue diet. we tried that for abotu a month when i saw the flaws.
aside from whats appropriate for a CAT CARNIVORE to eat... it was a
pain to make, it was NOT addressing their dental issues. while cutting
out grains helped with Mister AND the cats (even in the first month of
that we were seeing an amazing difference in their energy levels and
coats!!) it wasnt quite enough.

i was very reluctant to go with a raw diet because i have a 18mo son
and a very flaky (in the endearing way) 8yo daughter. my concerns for
cleanliness were pretty big!! ive never been much of a germaphobe,
you'd never find me with stock in Lysol, thats for sure. :)

well lets just say my laziness won out. :D they are now on a raw meat
and bones and offal diet.

Mister gets a whole 4lb chicken on mondays. when he is finished with
it, if i catch him first he brings the rest of the chicken to me. if i
dont, i gotta go dig it up. *sigh*
he gets the remainder the next day which is usually 2/5ths of the
chicken along with his chicken liver(2 or 3) on tuesdays.
wednesdays is usually fish day. he gets a whole talapia/salmon with
the spines cut off (got tired of stabbing myself when reaching in the
freezer YUCK!!) and a handful of fresh sardines.know where i can get
ungutted fish?? any issue with ungutted fish?? im sure i can catch my
own at our local lake. my grandpa lives on it.
thursdays is whatever beef is on sale at the local market down the
road. they have great prices. he has never been able to eat a beef
bone. sometimes its tongue, heart or muscle/bones.
fridays is chicken again. the whole thing, same deal as mondays.
saturday is 2nd part of chicken from friday along with chicken liver.
(2 or 3 livers)
sunday is usually turkey breast and a few chicken necks. (about 1.5lbs)

eggs are a snack through out the week. he probably eats a whole
dozen?? sometimes cooked, soemtimes raw. depends on what i am doing,
if i cooked some for me we will use to egg for training. he also gets
freeze dried beef liver for training treats and kongs with peanut
butter in it.

he also has Jeffrey Clean Up Duty. anythign from a few peas/carrots
to some cheerios or chex. not anything i would say is enough to "be a
part of his diet" if you know what i mean.

every 2 weeks or so i fast him one of the first chicken day and then
give him the whole chicken the next day. he usually eats the whole
thing on those days.

the cats get chicken... chicken and more chicken. ive fed beef, barfed
it up, ive fed turkey, barfed it up, corning game hens, barfed it up.
they hold down fish and chicken. im not exactly sure who has the
problem with everythign else because they make it a point to NOT in
front of me. :)

what ive done with them so far is smash up a whole chicken with a
hammer and tupperware up 3 days of food for all 3 cats. i feed 3 days
of chicken to 1 day of fish. also, im not smashing the bones up much,
just enough to give them the edge over the thicker bones.

Hunter will not eat organs or clam (its high in taurine raw). ive
tried partially cooking it, fully cooking it, letting it go a little
rancid, as fresh as i can, different temps..... no go. as i said
before, he is pica (has pica??). is this a symptom of that?? ive tried
putting small chunks of it tucked in the sardines.... no go.

Shadow and Baby Girl will eat heart and clams but Shadow will not eat
liver (in any of the above prepared ways) and none of the cats will
eat eggs or anythign with a supplement in it. not even FISH with a
supplement in it. OH and i forgot, i dont typically feed them pork but
Mister gets pork feed and necks sometimes and the cats puke that up too.

they all eat quite the collection in bugs. we make a point to let in
moths and beetles of which dont last long.

so on to the questions.

anythign obviously wrong with Misters diet?? he has allergies of some
sort but we are working through that right now. he was exclusively on
chicken for a while but still had the allergies. we are thinking its
either hormonal (not fixed yet) or environmental. i use thymol to
clean some things up here and that *may* be it. or that he is battling
fleas. we tried apple cider vinegar and rosemary but i think im going
to go with the "other stuff" to see if thats it. a healthy animal has
a few but maybe a few is too many for him.

as for the cats.... one would think that turkey and the cornish game
hens would be close enough to chicken to be fine with it. im not sure
what to do abotu this. will putting Hunter on OCD meds help with his
refusal to eat organ meats? we have tried all of the non invasive
methods to treat his pica but we have had very little effect. he eats
our wooden cabinets, pencils, Cailyns Polly Pockets clothes, strings,
cords... ive tried bitter apple, more fiber... he seems quite
insistent to not eat any meat other than muscle and bone.

i feel their diet is too narrow but im unsure what to do about it. i
guess i could pinpoint WHO is puking it up by containing them after
eating but its sometimes hours after eating when they start puking and
frankly, im not sure if my carpeting can take much more abuse from them.

they DO hold down mice. i knwo this because they all are pretty darned
good mouse hunters!! is that an option? feeder mice and chicks?? i
think i would have a hard time with it emotionally but if parasites
arent an issue, im sure i would get over it.

any advice would be appreciated. :)

-ashley

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3a. Re: guilt and anger
Posted by: "chaparraltrail" chaparraltrail@yahoo.com chaparraltrail
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:19 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> "chaparraltrail" <chaparraltrail@> wrote:
> > We do the best we can, with the knowledge we have at the time.
> *****
> But if we do not learn from our mistakes we are doomed to repeat
them.
> Chris O
>

I agree...and that is consistent with what I have said in many of my
posts. But once we *do* learn, it is best focus on doing what is right
in the present, and for the future, so we can make positive changes.
It is counter-productive to berate ourselves (or others) for mistakes
of the past, when those mistakes have been acknowledged and corrected
to the best of our abilities, and we are currently moving in the right
direction.

Wouldn't you agree?

Lori

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3b. Re: guilt and anger
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:16 am ((PDT))

"chaparraltrail" <chaparraltrail@...> wrote:
But once we *do* learn, it is best focus on doing what is right
> in the present, and for the future, so we can make positive changes.
> It is counter-productive to berate ourselves (or others) for mistakes
> of the past, when those mistakes have been acknowledged and corrected
> to the best of our abilities, and we are currently moving in the
right
> direction.
>
> Wouldn't you agree?
*****
Of course.
Chris O

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3c. Re: guilt and anger
Posted by: "Marjorie Trebino" mtrebino39@hotmail.com marjoriettt
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:33 am ((PDT))

I think we do the best we can with the knowledge we have. I always bought
the best kibble for my dogs that I could afford at the time. It might not
have been the best for my dogs but it was the best that I could do at that
time. Margie

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4a. Re: feeling anxious
Posted by: "michelle_alameda" michelle_alameda@yahoo.com michelle_alameda
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:20 am ((PDT))

Chris, and everyone else...

Thank you for your help! I feel much better now.

I think I did ok then last night, in addition to the rib and goat
bone, I later gave her some ground chicken. Hopefully that will help
her move all the bone she consumed out.

I will also rethink my use of supplements.

Many thanks,
Michelle Alameda
and Aspen, Remington, and Fajita too

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5. from a fairly new raw feeder in UK
Posted by: "Emma Goucher" emmagoucher@hotmail.com passionately_musical
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:23 am ((PDT))

Hi All.

Just wondering if there was anyone out there with info about finding suppliers in UK (we are in Midlands area - Notts).

If there are no specific suppliers, then can anyone give me an idea of what to ask our local butcher for? I kind of asked the other week but he looked confused so I ended up just getting oxtail (which it seems my boys LOVE!). Works out expensive though if I had to get that too often. I thought it may be easier to go to butchers next time with a list!

The 'boys' are 2 Bedlington Terriers - Barney (6 years) & Woody (4 years) so they aren't big dogs, but not small either. They've been getting on well with whole chicken wings, sometimes meatyish bones (sold for making stock I assume, from supermarket), oxtail and occasionally (about once a fortnight) liver/kidney/heart type stuff

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks
Emma, Barney & Woody
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6a. Re: Leftover Kibble
Posted by: "L.Tucker" ltucker@sympatico.ca love_rescue_dogs
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:43 am ((PDT))

[ Now the real question: What on earth do I do with the ~10 lbs of
expensive
> kibble I have left?]

Hi Elizabeth:

Please, please do donate your kibble to your local SPCA or Humane
Society. I volunteer at our local OSPCA and they rely HEAVILY on
donations of food. A lot of the kibble donated is poor quality and
even past its due date. Yours will be much appreciated. Don't worry
if the bag is open either.

Leanne Tucker

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7a. Re: probiotics
Posted by: "Loretta Luja" luja@comcast.net desertwilite
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:10 am ((PDT))

My "new to raw" dogs are not digesting even chicken well, so
I am interested in trying probiotics. How do I find a quality
grade one?

Loretta L
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>
>
> @The way to provide meaningful billions of probiotics is to use a
> quality, human grade probiotic.
> Chris O
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7b. Re: probiotics
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:33 am ((PDT))

Health food stores. Denise

My "new to raw" dogs are not digesting even chicken well, so I am
interested in trying probiotics. How do I find a quality grade one?

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7c. Re: probiotics
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:36 am ((PDT))

Loretta Luja <luja@...> wrote:
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> My "new to raw" dogs are not digesting even chicken well, so
> I am interested in trying probiotics. How do I find a quality
> grade one?
*****
How long have you been feeding raw, how long have you been feeding
chicken and what sort of chicken meals are you feeding? How much do
you feed of what? What sort of dogs are you feeding?

Details, we need details!

Offhand, I think your first job is to evaluate the menu and make
adjustments there. It's not likely that ALL your dogs are
experiencing the same biota imbalance, so it's probably somethin'
else that's fussing them.

If it somehow turns out that none of your dogs can handle chicken,
don't feed it. It's not mandatory and IMO choosing a different meat
protein is more appropriate than trying to make supplemental
adjustments.

Probiotics are generally used when the natural levels of good biota
have been reduced by antibiotics or significant digestive distress.
Probably you don't want probiotics. Probably you want--if you find
you need something after evaluating the menu--digestive enzymes.

Can you give us a rundown of what's up?
Chris O

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8. Just started feeding raw
Posted by: "Kathleen M. Hunter" dmillho1@tampabay.rr.com dmillho1
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:33 am ((PDT))

Hi. After an animal communicator told me my Cardigan Corgi, Blaze,
wanted real meat and real bones to chew - he won't chew the real white
bones I got from a reputable store any more - I told my husband we are
switching to raw. I'd explored this earlier, but my husband was
reluctant and it seemed a lot of trouble - reading about the recipes
people used, etc. This time, I read it differently, I guess.

Last night, I bought raw chicken drumsticks and tossed all 5 to both
dogs. Blaze went to town! He demolished 3 of them in a flash. Raider was
not convinced until I picked up the remaining two legs to save them for
him. Then, he wanted them and snarked them right down.

I haven't seen Blaze eat with such enthusiasm in a long time. I've been
to the local supermarket and have ordered chicken backs with necks. Due
in on Friday - then, we begin for real.

Kathleen

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9a. Re: the trouble w/pork bones
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:36 am ((PDT))

> I got some pork neck and they are the small ones. Are these the kind you gave to your >Corgi and he ate them with no problem?

Hi. I try to get pices bigger than muzzel.The one I got probably bone width(length?) was about 4-5 inches,weigh around .. 5-8oz( 8oz=half pound)

I bought them at shoppers.

If the Neck I got pull out was boney side and less meat on it,I added boneless meat she can handle well like chicken,pork,Beef by the time I introduce pork.

Half pound is 80-90% of her daily intake,so, on Neck days,now and then,she got more than daily intake but,it is better than getting her constipated so,I was ok with it.

Not all dogs have same ability to eat bone so,you may want to test it if your dog can eat it or not.If your dog had problems with bones(cannot get crack bones no matter how long you wait)then,you may want to take the bone away and toss it.

If your dog did not eat bone and if you wanted to give bone the dog can eat to compensate for that,you can give chicken feet. Even if it is frozen,it seems my dog can eat it and actually enjoy cool snack during this season.Shereally loves chicken feeet.

If you want to have it ready for back-up plan,you can thaw in the fridge.

it defrost pretty quick.

Personally,I thought pork bone seemed easy bone for my dog at least.She had long time for Beef neck like 90 minutes but pork,it did not take that much.

So,my suggestion is, try feed it and see if your dog can handle it.And I try avoid pieces that is smaller than my dog muzzel to feed like pork chop bone which I cut off all the time.

I am not sure how small your neck bone is,but judge if your dog more likely swallow hole due the size is smaller than mouth.Try avoid tiny bones;good example is.. already cutted 1inch sized ox tail for soup making. I would not feed that small bones.

Hope this helps.

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10a. weight of food or feeding small dogs
Posted by: "swilken61" powrfemme@aol.com swilken61
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 9:58 am ((PDT))

Hi Everyone,

this may seem like a silly quesions, but I've been wondering how to
consider the weight of food. I am feeding two smallish dogs, I am
mainly concerned about getting the right amount into my ten pounder.
She will eat any amount I give her, so we are concerned about her
gaining weight.

Does the bone count? I was thinking it is heavier, now I think maybe
the meet is heavier on something like a chicken leg. That seems like
way to much for my little girl, althoug the 15 lb girl does fine with
it. I really want my little girl to get the benefit of the chewing, she
has extremely bad teeth and needs it. If I give wings or necks, that is
too bony, right?

Can anyone who is feeding small dogs give me some advice? I am also
feeding a ten lb cat, or attempting to, she is still holding out, so
some of this applies to her also.

thanks,
Stephany

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10b. Re: weight of food or feeding small dogs
Posted by: "Goin8@aol.com" Goin8@aol.com menoebs
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:09 am ((PDT))

I feed till they are done eating and then put the rest away. They get the
rest the next meal. But sometimes they choose to hide it and in the VA heat
thats NOT a good thing to find the next day!

Audrey Johnson

"My Goal in Life is to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am!"

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11. feeding beef
Posted by: "Becky Brooks (Marsh)" kidcreations1@yahoo.com kidcreations1
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:57 am ((PDT))

We have been feeding our dogs raw for about 2 months and would like to
introduce beef. What would be a good, relatively inexpensive beef to
start out with? So far they eat turkey legs, chicken leg quarters,
halved chickens, pork ribs and butt roast, chicken gizzards and
hearts, and chicken liver. I'm just not sure what type of beef to
buy. thanks!
Becky

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12.1. Question
Posted by: "Joe Rodriguez" jrod.65@gmail.com PEPITO65
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:57 am ((PDT))

*I am a new member ready to begin a raw (prey) diet. I have one question.
How do you deal with the possibility of a parasitic infection? Specifically
Trichinosis from ingesting raw meat (pork, deer, etc..). I know that
bacteria is handled well by dogs ( e.g. samonella) but what
about parasites? Some parasites are known to survive below freezing temps.
Thanks in Advance.*

*Joe

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13. Re: [rawfeeding] Re: My dog is gaining weight but doesn't nee
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/15/2007 10:04:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
costrowski75 writes:

"temy1102" <tammy.a.jp@tam> wrote:
> Of course, if you have a real chowhound, you're out of luck. My
> doberman will eat her 5 lb. leg of lamb, and then stare at me,
> drooling, while I eat my dinner.
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I have chow hounds that do this but it doesn't mean I have to respond.
Eventually they lie quietly by the table, hoping against hope that
someone will upend a plate. But at least they hope quietly.

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One of my 3 cats often is such a pain when anything involving food that
doesn't pertain to him is happening that I often have to pick him up and dump him
into another room and shut the door in his face.

And yes, this is Dennis The Menace, the one that was thin and not thriving
before he started eating raw, and has now gained so much weight that he is
being restricted to barely 2% of his 10 lb weight daily. So I agree he's pitiful
with only that tiny piece of meat, but I'm not going to put up with his
wailing and trying to climb up on the table! (Actually, usually he's trying to
hook a claw into something eatable and pull it OFF the table.)

I do have to say that he is nowhere near as consistently unbearable at the
possibility of food now as he was before he was eating species-appropriate
food, however. :)

Lynda

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14. RAW Feeding and stools
Posted by: "donnad2998@yahoo.com" donnad2998@yahoo.com donnad2998
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:59 am ((PDT))

I just started raw feeding this past weekend. Will
this affect her stools? I noticed they are loose
almost runny. I am feeding her chicken legs to start
she did have liver and loved it. Yesterday she had
chicken legs and cooked ground turkey, it was left
over from our dinner. 87 pound dane.
Thank you,
Donna DeBerardinis

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