[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11910

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. the trouble w/pork bones
From: blechatlb@aol.com
1b. Re: the trouble w/pork bones
From: costrowski75
1c. Re: the trouble w/pork bones
From: delcaste

2a. Re: lamb neck bones
From: Morledzep@aol.com
2b. Re: lamb neck bones
From: Laurie Swanson
2c. Re: lamb neck bones
From: Nathalie Poulin

3a. Re: Bones From Ram
From: katkellm
3b. Re: Bones From Ram
From: Chrissy

4a. Re: Feeding raw, second time around - intro
From: Elizabeth Funderburk

5a. feeling anxious
From: michelle_alameda
5b. Re: feeling anxious
From: costrowski75
5c. Re: feeling anxious
From: temy1102
5d. Re: feeling anxious
From: Laurie Swanson
5e. Re: feeling anxious
From: outcats4@aol.com

6a. Re: weight loss
From: costrowski75

7a. Deer meat
From: h h

8a. Re: My dog is gaining weight but doesn't need to – help!
From: costrowski75

9a. Re: Need help!!
From: costrowski75

10a. Re: What are beef "finger ribs?" Yes or No
From: costrowski75

11a. Re: MOTHER
From: costrowski75

12. New development: Food aggression
From: Anndrea

13a. Re: guilt and anger
From: chaparraltrail
13b. Re: guilt and anger
From: Joy Redwine

14a. Re: Nibbling on grazing animals faeces?
From: harrynala
14b. Re: Nibbling on grazing animals faeces?
From: tlmajs

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1a. the trouble w/pork bones
Posted by: "blechatlb@aol.com" blechatlb@aol.com blechatlb
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:10 pm ((PDT))

Robyn,

Yes, I am sure we have all kicked ourselves for feeding kibble in the past!
I do feed country style pork ribs - even tho they are cut with a heat saw (I
believe) my dogs love them and have never had any issues with them. I do have
large dogs, however, I do not feed pork chops or pork necks. I don't like
the bone that is in the chops, and mine don't do well with pork necks, one of
mine inevitably throws them up the next day. I think it is too much bone, even
if I add meat to the meal. Congrats to you on getting your dogs onto RMB's!!

TracyB

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1b. Re: the trouble w/pork bones
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:08 pm ((PDT))

"pigasus718" <pigasus718@...> wrote:
> BTW, did any of you go through a period of guilt and anger with
> yourself for feeding your dogs kibble? I am so ticked off at myself
> to think of all the years that I have been "killing" my little guys
> out of ignorance.
*****
You know, I did not. It's easy to undo much of the damage kibble
does. You toss the bag, you start feeding raw, already you're on the
road to wellness.

What I regret are the vaccines, the chemicals I just bought into lah-ti-
dah, my meek acceptance of allopathic dogma. That stuff doesn't go
away after a few months of transition. Nope, uh-uh. I would much
rather face the challenge of "fixing" a kibblefed dog than "fixing" a
vaccinated one.

Chris O

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1c. Re: the trouble w/pork bones
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:01 pm ((PDT))

Hi Yassy,

My dogs are 20 & 21 pounds. I got some pork neck and they are the small
ones. Are these the kind you gave to your Corgi and he ate them with no
problem? Thanks for the reply.

Silvina and the pugs

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2a. Re: lamb neck bones
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:59 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/14/2007 6:07:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
fordogs@ptd.net writes:

Am
I being too paranoid? I also bought beef rib bones with xtra meat and
I know you have to be careful with beef ribs and after seeing the lamb
bones I'm worried about even trying those.

Sue,

lamb bones are VERY soft.. very easy for dogs to chew and eat with no
problem. Even the smallest lap sized aussies are more than a match for a lamb neck.

i would worry about the necks being cut with the band saw.. makes for
unnaturally sharp edges. And there are theories about the band saw actually heating
the bone while it's being cut and partially cooking the bone.

the only way i feed lamb necks to my dogs is whole.. actually, it's the only
way i can get them.. the grocery stores around here don't seem to carry them
at all, i have to order them in bulk.

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2b. Re: lamb neck bones
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:46 pm ((PDT))

Hi Sue,

How big are your dogs? My 20 lb. Boston can eat lamb necks and pork
necks fine, but he's been raw most of his 5 yrs. and been eating prey
model with lots of different bones for almost a year. Bostons do
have fairly strong jaws, but unless you have pretty small dogs, my
guess would be either you're just not used to what it's like for them
to eat this way, and/or it might take them longer since they're new
and need to figure out how to do it and build up jaw strength. I
haven't heard of lamb bones being a tooth damage risk. Might be for
really small dogs, though. It's kind of hard to describe the various
bone-eating sounds, but yes, there seems to be a difference between
the normal chomp, chomp and a sort of "crack" sound my dog
occasionally does w/too-hard bones like beef ribs or the marrow-
filled part of a lamb shank if I haven't removed them quickly
enough. I let him clean off the beef ribs, but then remove them. If
your dogs are bigger, they may be fine w/beef ribs. Cows are so much
bigger than lambs, their bones are larger and denser. You could
start with easier bones (chicken, turkey) or just let them work at
the lamb and do what they can do--they'll get better at it.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sue" <fordogs@...> wrote:
>
> Still new to raw feeding at this point and I was able to get some
lamb
> neck bones,

My concern was
> the size of these bones, they were a little scary for me and my
dogs
> seemed to be taking a long, loud, crunchy time eating them. I was
> afraid of damaging their teeth.

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2c. Re: lamb neck bones
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:59 pm ((PDT))

I feed my dog goat neck and lamb neck and beef neck a
lot. She loves it, and she crunches through them like
they're nothing. As long as there is lots of meat on
it, you shouldn't be too worried.
When we talk about not feeding specific bones, it's
mostly weight-baring bones, like cow femurs or
anything that would hold up an animal the size of a
cow/goat/lamb etc.
My advice, stop worrying and start enjoying. I LOVE
watching my dog eat. I love watching the way she
twists and turns her head to mash her face into her
food, I love watching her crunching through her bones,
I love seeing her eat a big, juicy goat neck, or a
turkey breast or a pork roast.
It is seriously more fun than watching TV. I'm not
feeding her anything that I think would hurt her
teeth, so I'm really not worried.
I hope you can soon find the enjoyment in watching
your dogs eat that i do in mine!

Nathalie

My concern was
> the size of these bones, they were a little scary
> for me and my dogs
> seemed to be taking a long, loud, crunchy time
> eating them. I was
> afraid of damaging their teeth. I've read on this
> list that lamb bones
> are ok to feed but I guess still being a novice, I
> didn't trust it. Am
> I being too paranoid? I also bought beef rib bones
> with xtra meat and
> I know you have to be careful with beef ribs and
> after seeing the lamb
> bones I'm worried about even trying those.

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3a. Re: Bones From Ram
Posted by: "katkellm" katkellm@yahoo.com katkellm
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:32 pm ((PDT))

I need to know about the bones that can not be used, I want to use as
much as possable.
>

Hi Chrissy,
IMO, the leg bones will be fine as long as you feed them as is--hair,
skin, sinew....no processing necessary. When they have stripped the
bones clean, just toss them if you don't want to let the dogs eat on
the bone. I even feed cow legs--my dogs love them--this way. Once
all the goodies are off the leg,i just pick up and toss. My 3 have no
interest in cow legs once they are bare, but will completely finish
lamb legs. I have never fed goat legs. KathyM

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3b. Re: Bones From Ram
Posted by: "Chrissy" hylesrayburn@sbcglobal.net tresuregarden
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:52 am ((PDT))

I don't have a problem with giving the whole bone but I do have other sheep and I don't want to take the chance that... "well yum, mom gave us this before" with the hide on it. So I guess I will just cut at the joints for the legs, it isn't the small dogs that I am worried about but the big ones that my mom have.

Thanks for the advice
Chrissy
----- Original Message -----
From: katkellm

I need to know about the bones that can not be used, I want to use as
much as possable.
>

Hi Chrissy,
IMO, the leg bones will be fine as long as you feed them as is--hair,
skin, sinew....no processing necessary. When they have stripped the
bones clean, just toss them if you don't want to let the dogs eat on
the bone. I even feed cow legs--my dogs love them--this way. Once
all the goodies are off the leg,i just pick up and toss. My 3 have no
interest in cow legs once they are bare, but will completely finish
lamb legs. I have never fed goat legs. KathyM

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4a. Re: Feeding raw, second time around - intro
Posted by: "Elizabeth Funderburk" funder@gmail.com funder_memphis
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:36 pm ((PDT))

Just a quick update:

Started both dogs on chicken leg quarters. Jaime's poo looks much more like
normal raw-fed poo, yay! And I know it's probably too early to be sure, but
I think his allergies are clearing up. His eyes aren't so runny.

Now the real question: What on earth do I do with the ~10 lbs of expensive
kibble I have left? Seems kinda like a waste to just throw it away (even
though it's basically trash). Maybe I'll see if the Humane Society wants
it. Hrm.

-Elizabeth

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5a. feeling anxious
Posted by: "michelle_alameda" michelle_alameda@yahoo.com michelle_alameda
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:38 pm ((PDT))

I've been a lurker here for quite awhile now, and now I am looking for
your input...

I have been feeding my dogs raw for the last 6 months or so. I guess I
feed raw the "chicken" way. (Excuse the pun) I have been feeding
ground chicken and pork (bones and organs included in the grind) plus
supplements such as kelp, missing link plus and a digestive enzyme.

Today I purchased some emu ribs and meaty goat bones through the local
co-op of raw feeders.(They are great by the way!) I gave a rib and a
bone to my Aussie (not as a full meal, but to see if she would eat
it). Much to my surprise she crunched up the entire rib and ate all of
it. I expected her just to eat the meat and leave the bone. She also
swallowed the goat bone after chewing on it for a bit.

Is this normal? From what I have read I know I shouldn't worry. But I
feel like I just handed my dog a death sentence.

Advice is much appreciated, and thank you in advance for your time.

-Michelle
and Aspen, Remington and Fajita.

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5b. Re: feeling anxious
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:56 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "michelle_alameda"
<michelle_alameda@...> wrote:
>
> I've been a lurker here for quite awhile now, and now I am looking
for
> your input...
*****
Hi, Michelle. Good to see you posting!

> I guess I
> feed raw the "chicken" way. (Excuse the pun) I have been feeding
> ground chicken and pork (bones and organs included in the grind)
plus
> supplements such as kelp, missing link plus and a digestive enzyme.
*****
Whole chicken is easier to feed than ground meat blends and easy for
your dogs to eat. They are also healthier and more beneficial than
any ground prefab food. Your dogs don't need kelp, they don't need
Missing Link (which is made to "complete" kibble diets), they should
not need a digestive enzyme six months into raw food. If they do,
you must revise the menu, because something is wrong. If they cannot
by themselves digest raw food, feeding a digestive enzyme is not
fixing what's broken. Time, I think, to rethink your menu.

> Today I purchased some emu ribs and meaty goat bones through the
local
> co-op of raw feeders.(They are great by the way!) I gave a rib and a
> bone to my Aussie (not as a full meal, but to see if she would eat
> it). Much to my surprise she crunched up the entire rib and ate all
of
> it. I expected her just to eat the meat and leave the bone.
*****
Those emu ribs are virtually meatless, so there's no meat for your
girl to eat. And the ribs are really not much more challenging than
potato chips. At best, the emu ribs can be feed with an appropriate
amount of plain old uncomplicated meat. By themselves they will
probably produce a fine case of white rock poops.

The goat bones are also easy to chomp. They are from young critters
that don't weigh much, so the bones are not dense. I am not sure how
meaty the goat ribs are (most bones that we get from that supplier
are not meaty) but the bones themselves will indeed be fully edible.

> Is this normal? From what I have read I know I shouldn't worry. But
I
> feel like I just handed my dog a death sentence.
*****
It is normal for a healthy dog with healthy teeth to be able to
finish off the bones you bought. You did not hand your dog a death
sentence, knock off that kind of thinking. You fed your dog too much
bone and your dog will probably have some difficult stools but that's
the extent of it. Next time, feed the bones with plenty of meat.
Chris O

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5c. Re: feeling anxious
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:02 pm ((PDT))

i have never fed goat nor emu to my dogs, and i'm very jealous of you
that you have. however, they do get stuff like beef and pork ribs,
and to see them eat, you'd think the pork ribs were soft butter. the
beef ribs however, they will nibble clean and run around with the
bones for a while until i throw them away. having never met an emu in
real life, i do not speak from experience, but i imagine they are at
least a tiny bit smaller than a cow, and so their ribs must be softer
than beef ribs. goats and lambs, from what i've learned, have
entirely consumable skeletal systems. so no worries. it's fun to see
a 7 lb. dachshund swallow up a rib that is roughly the same size and
shape as her though.

i sometimes watch my dogs eating their bones and think about how
similar the bones in my hands are to chicken bones they are
demolishing... and how easily they could kill me... and what they must
be plotting....

just kidding i don't (often) do that.

tammy & grover (who only plots to destroy every stuffed toy in the
universe)

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5d. Re: feeling anxious
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:52 am ((PDT))

Hi Michelle,

Sounds like things went just fine! :-) That's how this diet works!
They generally eat the whole bone, unless it's too dense like
cow/buffalo legs (don't feed them, or remove them after they're
cleaned of meat). You just want to make sure you're feeding
pieces/bones that are big enough that they have to be crunched a
little bit and can't be swallowed/gulped whole in one bit. But if
you've been lurking, you probably know that...

You might want to do a little more research on the supplements. I've
heard kelp isn't good (makes sense--not a natural food for
dogs/wolves). Not sure what's in missing link...

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "michelle_alameda"
<michelle_alameda@...> wrote:
I gave a rib and a
> bone to my Aussie (not as a full meal, but to see if she would eat
> it). Much to my surprise she crunched up the entire rib and ate all
of
> it. I expected her just to eat the meat and leave the bone. She also
> swallowed the goat bone after chewing on it for a bit.
>
> Is this normal? From what I have read I know I shouldn't worry. But
I
> feel like I just handed my dog a death sentence.
>

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5e. Re: feeling anxious
Posted by: "outcats4@aol.com" outcats4@aol.com barb5ducks
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:16 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/15/2007 6:53:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
laurie@mckinneyphoto.com writes:

I've
heard kelp isn't good (makes sense--

just curious,do you know what isnt good about Kelp? I think my dog has a
supplement that has kelp or spirulina in it.

barb

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6a. Re: weight loss
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:40 pm ((PDT))

Nathalie Poulin <poulin_nathalie@...> wrote:
>
>
> I was under the impression that dogs stomachs were too
> acidic for yogurt and that any probiotics from kefir
> or yogurt would die immediately in the stomach without
> being any benefit to the dog?
> Could somone clarify this for me please?
*****
While adding dairy to the menu will provide some small measure of
usable protein and fat, the probiotic value is doubtful. The amount of
dairy needed to provide enough probiotic action would also be enough to
create some pretty impressive digestive upsets.

The way to provide meaningful billions of probiotics is to use a
quality, human grade probiotic.
Chris O

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7a. Deer meat
Posted by: "h h" deedeekinsisme@yahoo.com tarbedyh
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:48 pm ((PDT))

I have gotten lucky enough to score a huge amount of deer meat as soon
as hunting season opens. I need to know the rules when it comes to
deer meat, please.

~~~~~~~~
This is too easy...
Rule #1--give half of your haul to me

Rule #2--freeze the meat for a couple of weeks to a month before feeding to kill any possible parasites

Rule #3--feed the half you didn't give to me to your dogs and/or any other household carnivores you have

HEIDI MARIE
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~and the moggies-Minerva, Shasta, and Misty-Jo~

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8a. Re: My dog is gaining weight but doesn't need to – help!
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:52 pm ((PDT))

"temy1102" <tammy.a.jp@...> wrote:
> Of course, if you have a real chowhound, you're out of luck. My
> doberman will eat her 5 lb. leg of lamb, and then stare at me,
> drooling, while I eat my dinner.
*****
I have chow hounds that do this but it doesn't mean I have to respond.
Eventually they lie quietly by the table, hoping against hope that
someone will upend a plate. But at least they hope quietly.

Chris O

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9a. Re: Need help!!
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:30 pm ((PDT))

"mgn_moore" <mgn_moore@...> wrote:
> My 3 year old boxer bitch has terrible
> allergies and I am spending loads of money on allergy serums
and "high
> quality" kibble that the vet recommends. Someone suggested the raw
diet
> to me and thinks that my girl may be allergic to yeast
*****
I can't recall if it was on this list or on RawChat, but I believe
Ginny had a fine, gentle rant about dogs and allergies. You might want
to look for her post. I suspect your poor boxer is not allergic to
food but rather to fake food, compromised food, impossible-to-digest
foodlike substances. I don't know that he's allergic to yeast but why
would you want to give him yeast? What you need to do is feed the kid
a good raw diet, then move on to the other indignities that have been
leveled against him (in the name of good medicine).

> 1. When feeding a chicken wing, feed it to her whole? And how many
> before she gets sick?
*****
A boxer should get a chicken wing only when the wing is attached to a
larger whack of chicken. They are too small, they are too bony. A
boxer should start on leg quarters or rib-in breasts, or half (whole?)
Cornish game hens.

Yes, feed whole as often you can; and feed big when you cannot feed
whole. When a dog gets "sick" from eating too much is up to the dog.
It's not uncommon for beginners to feed 2%-3% of the dog's ideal adult
weight, and it's not uncommon for beginning dogs to have mild (usually)
digestive discomfort from eating too much food, too much fat, and/or
too much new stuff. Done sensitively, there's no need for raw food to
upset a newbie dog's digestion.

> 2. Am I correct in reading that you blend vegetables?
*****
Not here, no. Your dog has no nutritional need for carbohydrates; no
need for veggies, no need for fruits, no need for grains. Zipola. A
good raw diet offers flesh, fat, skin, connective tissue, organs, and
edible bone. No vegetables.

> 3. After blending veggies, is it okay to mix with meat?
*****
People who feel compelled to feed veggies do indeed mix them with
meat. Otherwise, most dogs will not eat them.

> Any suggestions would be fabulous!!
*****
Recommended reading:
http://rawfed.com
http://rawfeddogs.net (click on recipes)

Also, take time to browse the list archives. Every question you can
think to ask--and most every question you haven't even thought of yet--
has been asked and answered many times over. Just join Yahoogroups and
start reading. Here's how to join Yahoogroups:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/join

Welcome!
Chris O

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10a. Re: What are beef "finger ribs?" Yes or No
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:36 pm ((PDT))

"Pamela Picard" <pet.wellness@...> wrote:
>
> My partner found a good buy on "beef finger ribs." I don't know what
> they are. Yes or no to feed my standard poodle? TIA
*****
I've never heard of them either, but they sound awfully small for a
standard poodle. They sound just about right for inappropriate
swallowing. Depends on your dog of course; for my crew anything
described as "finger" would be too small.

If you buy them/try them, let us know how it went.
Chris O

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11a. Re: MOTHER
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:38 pm ((PDT))

Denise <DeniseAndZac@...> wrote:
>
> Is it???
*****
Domestic pork from reputable sources does not present a danger to our
dogs.
Chris O

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12. New development: Food aggression
Posted by: "Anndrea" anndreae@yahoo.com anndreae
Date: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:02 pm ((PDT))

My dear Holly is four years old and has NEVER showed any signs of food
aggression whatsoever. We recent;y lost our apartment, and are staying
with my sister. We also lost one dog to the pound, one is being
fostered until we get our own place again, and two cats are being
fostered the same. We have the other four cats, Holly, and the one
remaining living rat here with us. Yes a lot of our world has been
turned upside down. To top it all off...my husband...Holly's "papa"
isn't staying here with us.

So I know she has been through a lot, and I understand her ripping her
hair out in clumps...I wish I could too right now.

I had switched her back to kibble because the move caused us to not
have our freezer of meat with us, and I was really low on money. When
I started the raw again, she took to it no problem, again, but the 3rd
or 4th day, I reached down to grab it...mind you I reached at a normal
pace because this has never been a problem before...and she bit down
on it real hard, held tight, and curled her lips at me.

Would this be normal with all the stress and everything else going on?

After she curled her lips, I stood back up, and I stepped to her in a
casual way, forcing her to back away, leaving the meat for me.

I did this a few more times during that meal.

At the next meal, I just said "drop it" in a calm assertive voice and
she did.

Are we ok, now?

exasperated and exhausted Anndrea, and her confused and equally
exhausted Holly

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13a. Re: guilt and anger
Posted by: "chaparraltrail" chaparraltrail@yahoo.com chaparraltrail
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:54 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Michael Moore <m-tak@...> wrote:
>
> >>BTW, did any of you go through a period of guilt and anger with
> yourself for feeding your dogs kibble? I am so ticked off at
myself
> to think of all the years that I have been "killing" my little
guys
> out of ignorance.<<

I do not feel guity for providing a safe and loving home for my
pets, for caring about their welfare, and providing the best lives
for them that I could, with the knowledge I had at the time. I fed
more home-prepared than kibble, but it is still inferior to raw. I
know that now; I did not know that tat the time.

I think persistent self-directed guilt or anger can be as unhealthy
for humans as kibble is for dogs.

We do the best we can, with the knowledge we have at the time.

Lori

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13b. Re: guilt and anger
Posted by: "Joy Redwine" redwine1@windstream.net redwinejoy
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:03 am ((PDT))

Wow, guilt and anger comes from all sides. I just got off the phone
with my vet. He was checking on Yogi after our visit yesterday. He
told me he wanted me to feed dog kibble yesterday when I was in his
office. When I told him that Yogi had eaten last night and this
morning, he asked "dog food" I told him raw. I had a very
reasonable conversation with him but neither one of us budged. My
dog had his eating issues before I started raw and that is one of the
reasons I have begun raw. I just believe it is ANOTHER issue in life
where people disagree and you have to be able to make educated
choices, and stand your ground. Now I have to start looking for a
new vet!! Joy Redwine

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14a. Re: Nibbling on grazing animals faeces?
Posted by: "harrynala" michelle@synertex.co.uk harrynala
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:54 am ((PDT))

> I don't know about other animal's feces - but I had a lab mix that
> loved cat poo. My vet told me that cat poo can bring on a
> particular type of worm and my lab had to be de-wormed twice
> because of his habit. I was able to break him of it eventually.

That's interesting as it was actually worms that I was wondering
about, as I understand that worms can be introduced from ingesting
fleas, and with the goats in particular being completely flea ridden,
I wondered whether there would be any fleas on the goat poo!! :D

On the subject of worms - I don't de-worm my two, as I try to keep
their chemical intake as low as possible.

Am I being naive? I've never seen ANY worms in their poo (I assumed
this would be the indicator?), so I was kinda hoping the raw food was
keeping them clear?

But then, I'm also a firm believer that animals tend to want
something when their bodies are telling them they need it - just not
sure why they think they need manure!!

Thanks all
Michelle

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14b. Re: Nibbling on grazing animals faeces?
Posted by: "tlmajs" tlmajs@yahoo.com tlmajs
Date: Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:18 am ((PDT))

> That's interesting as it was actually worms that I was wondering
> about, as I understand that worms can be introduced from ingesting
> fleas, and with the goats in particular being completely flea
ridden,
> I wondered whether there would be any fleas on the goat poo!! :D

Flea ingestion will produce tapeworms and usually noticeable in feces,
usually looking kinda like grains of rice depending on how segmented
they are.
If you notice fleas on your dog, I would be concerned, inevitably
tapes
tend to follow.

>
> Am I being naive? I've never seen ANY worms in their poo (I
assumed
> this would be the indicator?), so I was kinda hoping the raw food
was
> keeping them clear?
>
> But then, I'm also a firm believer that animals tend to want
> something when their bodies are telling them they need it - just
not
> sure why they think they need manure!!

Um, just ask anyone with, say, a Border Collie or two, and horses and
sheep to work... odds are they'll tell you that their dogs consider
manure 'manna from heaven'.... and yes, even raw feeders!
Some just automatically worm their dogs.
I have yet to have to give them anything except for tapeworms (1
time in past 2 yrs) ... so maybe just have periodic fecals done and
see if there would be anything to worm for. :) Nothing visible under
microscope equals no reason to worm.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Tara

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