[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11906

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Processing Tripe
From: PAM CURL

2a. Re: 10 week old Sheltie
From: johkemp

3a. brand new member
From: Tracy Tait
3b. Re: brand new member
From: Caren OConnor

4a. Re: meat from farmers?
From: Yasuko herron
4b. Weston A. Price Foundation/Grass-fed meat (was Re: meat from farmers
From: Laurie Swanson

5a. Re: Beginning
From: costrowski75
5b. Re: Beginning
From: Alan & Andrea Southern
5c. Re: Beginning
From: temy1102
5d. Re: Beginning
From: Laurie Swanson

6.1. Re: Eggs
From: costrowski75
6.2. Re: Eggs
From: Caren OConnor
6.3. Re: Eggs
From: delcaste
6.4. Re: Eggs
From: costrowski75

7a. How do you tell if it's a food allergy?
From: temy1102
7b. Re: How do you tell if it's a food allergy?
From: Giselle
7c. Re: How do you tell if it's a food allergy?
From: carnesbill

8a. Re: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
From: blechatlb@aol.com
8b. Re: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
From: Pamela Picard

9a. Re: bone and blood in the stool
From: blechatlb@aol.com
9b. Re: bone and blood in the stool
From: carnesbill

10a. Feeding raw, second time around - intro
From: blechatlb@aol.com
10b. Re: Feeding raw, second time around - intro
From: Laurie Swanson

11a. Re: Older Dog Looking At Me Like I'm Nuts!
From: Pamela Picard

12.1. Re: new to group
From: linoleum5017

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1a. Re: Processing Tripe
Posted by: "PAM CURL" bpcurl@verizon.net bpcurl
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:12 pm ((PDT))

I use kitchen scissors to cut my fresh tripe. I have them sharpened
every so many months (these are not expensive scissors)
I get 2-3 stomachs at a time and I do them in my kitchen sink. Tripe is
kept in the trash bag it came in and then that is placed in a cardboard box
which fits into my sink or across it.
I have plastic shoe boxes from the dollar store. I cut the tripe up into
med-large pieces, trim off some of the extra fat if present and put them in
the box.
These boxes fit nicely in my freezer and they are reusable so not as
expensive as bags. It works well for my two Danes and one Irish Wolfhound.
I have a nice selection of knives, but the scissors really works the best
for me.
Pam Curl

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2a. Re: 10 week old Sheltie
Posted by: "johkemp" johkemp@yahoo.com.au johkemp
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:13 pm ((PDT))

Hi Rosy,

Congratulations on your new pup. As a former Sheltie owner myself I'm
sure you will have many years of fun ahead of you.

Your pup is probably the best judge of how much she need to eat. Just
watch how she behaves after her meals. If she seems hungry give her
more next time. When feeding four or five times a day each individual
meal is really not that important. She won't have the puppy fat of a
commercial fed dog but as long as she grows steadily and her ribs are
covered you will know how she is doing.

As for the chicken necks, now is the best time to start her on them as
she is still learning to chew everything. My 9 month old stafford
chews EVERYTHING and has never choked. She is not a gulper unlike a
lot of the commercial fed dogs I know.

Good luck,

Jo

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3a. brand new member
Posted by: "Tracy Tait" taittracy@yahoo.com taittracy
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:14 pm ((PDT))

I just adopted a 10 year old german shepherd. How do I begin introducing her to a raw feeding diet? She eats twice a day? Can she eat liver and an egg in the morning and chicken in the evening for instance? Should I gradually ween her off the kibble? All suggestions are welcome?

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3b. Re: brand new member
Posted by: "Caren OConnor" cavkist@yahoo.com cavkist
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:41 pm ((PDT))

Hi Tracy -
Congrats on your new addition to the family.
I've only fed raw for the past three and a half years, so there are many folks on this list far more experienced than me, but I'll share my .02 worth:)
I would not introduce egg and liver when beginning to feed raw. Both can cause loose stools. Chicken is a fair bet to introduce and I'd do so until she tolerates it well. Be prepared for her system to let you know it's adjusting to the new diet, if you know what I mean. Thereafter, I'd introduce pork, then red meat - beef and lamb and buffalo, if you can find it. Also, Rabbit is a nice transition after chicken and pork - forgot about that.
Anyway, hang on this list, e-mail with concerns and questions, but, above all, be very flexible. I consider myself to still be learning and growing in my knowledge. But, I wouldn't go back to kibble for all the tea in China:) My dogs are so healthy and their coats feel luscious. Not to mention the health of their mouths.
My meals this evening - and I vary the times at which I feed so as to keep their stomachs guessing; similar to how they would feed in the wild - were tripe, a tad of salmon, and a tad of liver. I actually try to feed liver every Sunday but missed it yesterday so made up for it today.
Please let us know how your girl progresses on raw:)
Caren O'Connor
Nansemond Cavaliers

Tracy Tait <taittracy@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just adopted a 10 year old german shepherd. How do I begin introducing her to a raw feeding diet? She eats twice a day? Can she eat liver and an egg in the morning and chicken in the evening for instance? Should I gradually ween her off the kibble? All suggestions are welcome?

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4a. Re: meat from farmers?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:14 pm ((PDT))

>You can also look for a "Weston Price" chapter in your area

Hi,Laurie.Thank you for the link.

I could open up VA place at link you gave me but I don't find the chapter of weston Price.I put it in search box but it came back as failed.

What am I doing wrong?

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4b. Weston A. Price Foundation/Grass-fed meat (was Re: meat from farmers
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:26 pm ((PDT))

Hi Yassy,

Try this:

http://www.westonaprice.org/localchapters/index.html

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
> I could open up VA place at link you gave me but I don't find the
chapter of weston Price.I put it in search box but it came back as
failed.
>

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5a. Re: Beginning
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:29 pm ((PDT))

"Patty Reid" <pattyannreidster@...> wrote:
hope to decide whether raw feeding is for us or not.
> I have standard poodles. Any suggestions on what is the best meat
to
> introduce to them?
*****
There is no question that a species appropriate diet is best for your
dogs. Usually the question really comes down to whether the human
wants to do it. So, perhaps if you tell us what's got you buffaloed
we can help.

Your dogs can start on any food you would prefer to start with; after
some research on your part, you may find you agree with many who
start with chicken. Chicken is not magic but it is cheap, available
and generally easy to eat/digest. In which case I recommend you buy
some whole birds, whack them into half pound or so hunks (with great
disregard to plan or symmetry or elegance) and feed two or three
hunks a day get yourself going.

Recommended reading:
http://rawfed.com
http://rawfeddogs.net (click on "recipes")

Also browse old messages. Here's how to join Yahoogroups so you can
access the Rawfeeding message archives:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/join

Chris O

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5b. Re: Beginning
Posted by: "Alan & Andrea Southern" wykham@sa.chariot.net.au seawyndriana
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:44 pm ((PDT))

When we swapped to raw for our standards we started with chicken frames and lamb shanks, with no dramas.

Alan & Andrea
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South Australia
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5c. Re: Beginning
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:33 pm ((PDT))

That is a good question, and I believe one of these things happens:

1. They swallow it.
2. They try to swallow it, it gets stuck, they spit it back up,
swallow it successfully the second time. Maybe the third time.

Like you and many other people, I have heard plenty of experiences
where dogs choked on chicken bones or got fragments stuck in their
systems. But I've heard hundreds more other experiences where that
has not happened. So I leave it to my dog's chewing expertise,
horking skills, and strong stomach acids to take care of things. My
dog could have choked on kibble, or any of the countless strange
objects she's managed to eat in her lifetime. There's a little bit of
luck involved I suppose, but mostly, I trust that because she's a dog,
she can handle this kind of dog stuff, i.e. eating raw bones, or my
swimsuit, or the sofa.

I did however start my dogs on ground mixtures first though. In my
head, it made me feel like their systems were getting used to dealing
with the bones in baby steps. I have no idea how scientifically sound
this is. Also it did nothing for their teeth, so I very quickly moved
on to whole stuff.

That's my experience, hope it helps!

Tammy & Grover

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5d. Re: Beginning
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:27 pm ((PDT))

Hi Karen,

I think you will be surprised at what they can eat. And you and the
dogs will be so happy once you all get the hang of it. Just feed big
pieces. Like probably no smaller than a quarter chicken. They can't
choke on something they can't swallow whole, and if they have to work
at their meal and get the message that they're full, they're less
likely to gulp. You can even feed bigger than that and just remove the
food when they've had enough and serve the remainder tomorrow.

Keep reading all the list posts!

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kemeryes" <kemeryes@...> wrote:
I'm planning to start
> feeding my English Bull Dogs tonight. My biggest fear is if they do
> get a small chick bone in their portion--what keeps them from
> choking?

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6.1. Re: Eggs
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:33 pm ((PDT))

Nathalie Poulin <poulin_nathalie@...> wrote:
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> I cracked an egg for my dog (shell and alll) and she
> just licked it a little. She didnt' seem to like it.
> Is there a way that I can get her to eat eggs?
*****
Mix it with something she likes. Some ground meat? Tripe? Beef
heart? I recommend removing the shell for the time being and feeding
just the contents; at least til she figures out that the contents are
food.
Chris O

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6.2. Re: Eggs
Posted by: "Caren OConnor" cavkist@yahoo.com cavkist
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:40 pm ((PDT))

Nathalie -
I sometimes put a raw egg over tripe and my dogs lap it up. You might want to try putting it over something they really enjoy. I know I'm playing Russian Roulette, especially with the hair on the rears of my Cavaliers:), mixing a raw egg and the tripe, but sometimes I just have to throw caution to the wind:) I usually try to make this a weekend meal so my dogsitter doesn't fire me:)
Caren O'Connor
Nansemond Cavaliers

Nathalie Poulin <poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca> wrote:
I cracked an egg for my dog (shell and alll) and she
just licked it a little. She didnt' seem to like it.
Is there a way that I can get her to eat eggs?

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6.3. Re: Eggs
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:27 pm ((PDT))

I wouldn't recommend
> making a habit of feeding cooked eggs, if you are cooking
> specifically for the dog. As leftovers, though, they're great.
>
> Chris Ostrowski
> Tumblehome Retrievers

Hi Chris,

My dogs love their raw egg I mix with meat & some organs but One of
them (the troublesome one) has thrown up her egg twice along with
everything else. She never did eat her egg and ate around her food. Can
I cook hers (slightly cook it)?

Silvina and the pugs with Chino

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6.4. Re: Eggs
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:48 pm ((PDT))

"delcaste" <delcaste@...> wrote:
One of
> them (the troublesome one) has thrown up her egg twice along with
> everything else. She never did eat her egg and ate around her food.
Can
> I cook hers (slightly cook it)?
*****
If you want.
While cooking may indeed be the court of last resort for some dogs, I
don't see egg as a "by hook or by crook" menu item. Now liver, liver's
a "gotta have' food, so searing and other messing about might be
justified to get it into the dog.

So I shall continue to feed eggs raw...and you can cook them if they
are important to your dog's diet. Only you can decide that.
Chris O

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7a. How do you tell if it's a food allergy?
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:18 pm ((PDT))

Tod, my 13 yr. old corgi mix, has always had skin issues that were
treated with a quick-fix of steroid shots by our previous vet. Since
feeding raw for the past 4 months, he hasn't had any flare-ups, which
is pretty good considering he's spent every single summer in the past
with raw, chewed up skin covered in open sores. A few days ago
though, I saw the telltate symptoms: refusing to leave his bed; when
forced to move for walks or meals, running very quickly and
sitting/laying abruptly; movement punctuated with yelps; red inflamed
areas of skin; clawing and clambering at us to get in our laps; and
stress panting. A day after I noticed he wasn't feeling well, he
pooped out a cigarette filter. Do you think that this is a reaction
to that or does it sound like it could be a food allergy? It's been
about 5 days since the cigarette incident. I'm trying to figure out
if I should start him on an elimination diet.

Thanks for any help!

Tammy & G & T

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7b. Re: How do you tell if it's a food allergy?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:35 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Tammy!
Nicotine poisoning in dogs can be fatal. Even if your dog
only ate a filter, there could be enough nicotine in it to cause
serious problems.
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_nicotine_poisoning_in_pets.html

I wouldn't start him on an elimination diet. If Tod were my dog, I'd
be very scrupulous in making sure he never has access to anything
toxic, up to and including banning smoking in my house!

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Tod, my 13 yr. old corgi mix, has always had skin issues that were
> treated with a quick-fix of steroid shots by our previous vet. Since
> feeding raw for the past 4 months, he hasn't had any flare-ups, which
> is pretty good considering he's spent every single summer in the past
> with raw, chewed up skin covered in open sores. A few days ago
> though, I saw the telltale symptoms: refusing to leave his bed; when
> forced to move for walks or meals, running very quickly and
> sitting/laying abruptly; movement punctuated with yelps; red inflamed
> areas of skin; clawing and clambering at us to get in our laps; and
> stress panting.

>>>>>>> A day after I noticed he wasn't feeling well, he
> pooped out a cigarette filter.<<<<<<<
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> Tammy & G & T
>

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7c. Re: How do you tell if it's a food allergy?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:51 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "temy1102" <tammy.a.jp@...> wrote:
>
> A day after I noticed he wasn't feeling well, he
> pooped out a cigarette filter. Do you think that this is a
reaction
> to that or does it sound like it could be a food allergy?

It's impossible to tell. It could be either of those or something
else completely different. The only way to tell if it's a food
alergy is to run an elimination diet. Done properly, an elimination
test can take 4 months and is very strict.

It is rare for a dog to have allergies to meat, bones, or organs.
It's like a cow being allergic to grass.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8a. Re: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
Posted by: "blechatlb@aol.com" blechatlb@aol.com blechatlb
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:29 pm ((PDT))

**If it were my dog I would take him off the Z/D immediately. I would not
feed him another mouthful of that stuff**
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I agree! You can't get much worse than that junk - it is awful! Not one
ingredient in it is appropriate for a dog, or much else, either.

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8b. Re: New member with IBS Toy Poodle
Posted by: "Pamela Picard" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:23 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "melime_lalaith2012"
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> Hi all, I am Amanda ( I live in Japan) and I recently rescued a Toy
> Poodle, he is 1 year old male. He was from a puppy mill, and was kept
> in a small cage with other poodles and never had a bath until he was
> rehomed with me. He was skinny and small ( still is) I was hoping to
> change his diet to raw as soon as possible so that he would gain
> weight and become well.
> > this? I would really appreciate any advice!!! ( I also have a cat who
> has been on raw food since 3 years) The dog and cat get along well,
> though they don`t play with each other, they can go for walks
> together. Thanks for reading this long post! Amanda and Pippin.
>
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I have a poodle who also had terrible skin allergies, itchy ears,
loose stool, etc. It's the kibble. I'd do exactly as Bill says.
Pamela

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9a. Re: bone and blood in the stool
Posted by: "blechatlb@aol.com" blechatlb@aol.com blechatlb
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

**I had fed her a little kibble yesterday to give her something easier to
digest **------------------------------------------------------------
Steve,

??? Your statement makes no sense. Kibble is very difficult for dogs to
digest, due to all of the grains and cooked meats. Raw is MUCH easier on their
systems. Ditch the kibble!

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9b. Re: bone and blood in the stool
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:53 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> Hi. For this part,I have question to Bill.
>
> I have heard when I was feeding kibble that you better pick 3
different brands kibble and rotate it now and then to avoid having
allegy to anything that being fed long time.
>
> Is it applied to rawfeeding too?

No, but evidently you got confused somewhere. I have never suggested
feeding chicken only except for a couple of weeks in the beginning
of raw feeding and when your dog has digestive problems that you
can't find a cause for. In that case I recommend beginning the diet
all over again from scratch.

> I mean,if one people feed just chicken,dog gets allegy problems?

Probably not but they won't get all the nutrients they need either.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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10a. Feeding raw, second time around - intro
Posted by: "blechatlb@aol.com" blechatlb@aol.com blechatlb
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:36 pm ((PDT))

ELizabeth,

The hard poo is most likely from too much bone in the diet...add a bit of
organ meats and some meatier cuts of meat, like breasts and leg quarters. Why
not add some pork, duck, tripe, raw egg, beef, lamb?

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10b. Re: Feeding raw, second time around - intro
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:26 pm ((PDT))

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Hi Elizabeth,

That's great that you're back to rawfeeding. Keep us posted on how
your dog does--I never get tired of the success stories. And of
course, we're here for any issues you might come upon. I would
suggest adding more meat, more variety, and a bit of organs. Chicken
is a fine start, but dogs eventually need more than that to thrive.
Beef, pork, lamb, goat, fish, rabbit, turkey, venison, eggs--anything
you can get. Don't do too much variety at once for a newbie dog,
though--keep it simple and gradually add things in while his
digestive system gets up to speed. That way you can tell what foods
he's doing well with and which he may not be ready for quite yet.
The items you mentioned are very bony and that's why you're getting
such hard, white poop. You'll probably have trouble with
constipation if you stick with that diet. You can add a whole lot of
boneless meat to supplement those items, or you can just buy meatier
parts (think whole prey, as close to nature as possible).

Veggies as treats seem to be fine for many dogs, but I'll just let
you know that my dog's chronic yeasty ears finally cleared up when I
cut out all veggies. I had already cut out all grains in the form of
treats, and that did help, but I was still feeding pureed veggies
with his raw meat and the yeastiness was still there. When we
switched to prey model and cut out veggies, all gone! We also
started homeopathy, but I feel the diet change was very important.

If you haven't already, you should read some past posts--start with
the last few days and then go from there. There's an amazing amount
of info, as you might guess, with over 9000 members! You can also
search any topic you want ("new," "newbie," "fish," etc.).

Good luck,

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "funder_memphis" <funder@...>
wrote:
> So what's changed in the raw world? I based Linux's raw diet off of
> chicken backs, turkey necks, and chicken leg quarters. Backs and
> necks are cheapest at my local grocery, so that's what Jaime is
> getting. For treats, both dogs get an occasional raw pork
neckbone.
>
> Do people still feed whole eggs?
>
> I noticed that this list doesn't feel veggies are necessary. What
> about veggies as treats? (Both dogs ADORE tomatoes. Honestly, they
> adore everything. They *are* Labs!)
>
> How do I deal with *really* hard poop? They're like little powdery
> rocks. Sorry to be graphic! Is it just his body getting used to
> eating real food? Anything I can do to help?

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11a. Re: Older Dog Looking At Me Like I'm Nuts!
Posted by: "Pamela Picard" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:22 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "L.Tucker" <ltucker@...> wrote:
>
> My newly adopted Greyhound has taken right to his raw chicken halves
> or quarters but my 10/11 ish terrier/hound mix doesn't know what to do
> with it. He's tried licking it to death but that's about it. I find
> it kind of comical because he's a master chewer-pulls pieces off black
> kongs and will chew old bones for hours.
> Any suggestions how I can "train" him to tackle the raw?
>
> Leanne Tucker
>
***

When I offer whole anything, my dog can't believe his luck. The first
couple of times, I played "tug" so he could get a grip and rip. After
a very short time, instinct takes over. Watch your hand!
Pamela

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12.1. Re: new to group
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:55 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Gower" <pudeltime@...> wrote:
>
> Hello to all,
>
> As soon as I finish this bag of Canidae, my guys are going on raw -

****Why wait, Linda? K***le is like cardboard food. Should you wait
until you run out of cardboard? Is it the cost of the 'Can o'Die?'
Would you feed expensive cardboard to a child? If not, then why feed
it one more day to your dogs? Go for the real thing!

> My Standard Poodle, Lance, very lean 65# continued to vomit pieces
of bone even after months of the diet. Is this less of a problem with
the prey model version? I was feeding chicken backs then.

**** You may encounter some vomiting, as dogs can 'swallow large
portions' of the bones w/out ample chomping. People on this list have
made suggestions of feeding frozen whole-prey, to slow down the
impulse to swallow now, puke and rechew later. Chicken backs are
pretty bony, so you will likely fare better with more meaty meat, so
that you cannot even see the bone nestled within a great cushion of
meat.

If you insist on waiting to feed raw until you run out of k***le,
please make an effort meanwhile to browse the archives to glean good
information about which kinds of meat are best,the ratio of
meat/bone/organ that is 'natural,' how often to introduce new meats,
and which bones to avoid completely. May save on the carpet cleaning
bill, you know?

Felicitations,
Lynne

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