[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11901

There are 19 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. rawhide
From: esmolensky

2a. Starting with chicken
From: Ivette Casiano
2b. Re: Starting with chicken
From: cmhausrath

3. Starting raw feeding
From: Ivette Casiano

4a. Re: raw and kibble mix
From: Ivette Casiano

5a. Re: Question about RAW feedings
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

6a. Re: Next new meat? (first week on raw)
From: eyed_blue
6b. Re: Next new meat? (first week on raw)
From: eyed_blue

7a. Re: loose stool and vomits?/convincing mother fully?
From: deep_ocean_of_sorrow
7b. Re: loose stool and vomits?/convincing mother fully?
From: cmhausrath

8a. Re: Processing Tripe
From: doguenanny

9a. Re: Anyone add vinegar to their dogs drinking water
From: Cdandp2@aol.com
9b. Re: Anyone add vinegar to their dogs drinking water
From: Nathalie Poulin

10a. Alternative Tx for allergies?
From: Cdandp2@aol.com

11a. New to rawfeeding-need help!
From: jennifer_ricotta
11b. Re: New to rawfeeding-need help!
From: Nathalie Poulin
11c. Re: New to rawfeeding-need help!
From: jennifer_ricotta

12a. Re: Rawfeeding Recipes
From: Nathalie Poulin

13a. Re: Someone mentioned pig something or other for...
From: angelsnoopers64859

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1a. rawhide
Posted by: "esmolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:33 pm ((PDT))

does anyone recommend rawhide for recreational chewing purposes?
Are there any pros/cons with rawhide for rawfed dogs?
My dog loves rawhide and it keeps him busy for a long time, i was just
wondering if there are any negatives about it.

Thank You,
E & R

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2a. Starting with chicken
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:02 pm ((PDT))

Is it possible for a dog to become allergic to chicken after eating it for 2 months with no adverse effects?

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2b. Re: Starting with chicken
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:41 am ((PDT))

Ivette Casiano <ivettecasiano@...> wrote:

> Is it possible for a dog to become allergic to chicken after eating
it for 2 months with no adverse effects?

Possible? I imagine so. Most anything is possible.

Probable, on the other hand? I think not. My personal opinion, from
my own experience & 4 years on-and-off of reading & contributing to
this list, is that people LEAP to assume that something is a food
allergy. In reality their problems can be more readily explained
some other way, but people like to feel that they're in control --
that they're doing something to fix perceived problems, and that
their solutions are effective. So a bit of loose stool is seen as a
PROBLEM, and the last meal fed is blamed.

An OT personal story, since I can never seem to help digressing:
about 5 years ago, on a normal workday afternoon, just after eating
my normal lunch (that I'd eaten a zillion times before, and a zillion
times since), I had a full-blown allergic reaction. As in
anaphylaxis, 7 hours in the ER, etc. I had a zillion allergy tests
done: zip. I'm not allergic -- at least not testably -- to
ANYTHING. The doctor said it was a fluke, wouldn't happen again. It
did, exactly one month later, exact same thing (after a different,
but very common, lunch). The doctor had no idea what to say. And in
the five years since, it's never happened again.

If I have a point, it's that sometimes the body reacts in weird ways -
- it might mean something, but most of the time we don't know WHAT it
means. With raw feeding (to get back on topic), most issues can be
traced back to some kind of human error, often an excess of
enthusiasm.

If I understand correctly, this dog has been fed ki**le at least once
a day during this whole raw-feeding experiment. In that event, the
raw chicken would not be high on the list of things I would blame for
digestive upset.

-- sandy & griffin (neither of us allergic to anything)

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3. Starting raw feeding
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:03 pm ((PDT))

When you say, start with chicken for about a week, then introduce another type of protein, do you mean feed the other protein every day for a week or just once to see how he tolerates it and feed chicken the rest of the days?

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4a. Re: raw and kibble mix
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:03 pm ((PDT))

<<...Would you really be so adament about feeding the dog
raw if it was unhealthy?

I don't know what else to tell you, but I'd be really
frustrated with this if I were you....>>>

Tell me about it. I'm so frustrated because any deveation from what he's used to seeing in his dog throw's him for a loop. He is an extremely stubborn person and thinks that dogs should have what humans have and be like humans. If there's loose stool he thinks there's something wrong right away and it has to be fixed.
What's ironic is that he had a Doberman who had health problems and had to be put down at the age of 9. He fed her kibble from the time he got her at 2 yrs. to the day she died. I told him that there must be a better way but since this is new to him and he doesn't do well with new stuff and his Vet (because, of course, they know everything,lol) hasn't told him to feed raw, then it's a problem for him.
This is why I'm asking for all your advice and references. I will go to that site, Nathalie, thank you, and try to show it to him. (notice I said "try").

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5a. Re: Question about RAW feedings
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:03 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 8/12/2007 12:33:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
linoleum5017 writes:

I watch a min pin, (on k***le) who is about 8 lbs..... if she were
permitted, she'd make short work of a thigh bone, I'm sure.

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I'm sure she would, too. I have cats in that weight range that make short
work of a thigh bone and also of a chicken leg bone. :)

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6a. Re: Next new meat? (first week on raw)
Posted by: "eyed_blue" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:31 am ((PDT))

Hi chris, thanks for the tip,at the moment I have fed him Mutton Flank
(picked the pieces that had 50% bone and a lambs neck (that had loads
of meat on it) other than that he has had the blocks of chicken mince
with ground bone, also had wings, legs and breast.

I gave him a tiny amount of ox liver the other day. He has also had a
little bit apple a couple of times as a treat.

Natalie

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6b. Re: Next new meat? (first week on raw)
Posted by: "eyed_blue" eyed_blue@yahoo.co.uk eyed_blue
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:31 am ((PDT))

ps, getting confused over which bones to feed, some weight bearing you
can feed some you cant?
natalie

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7a. Re: loose stool and vomits?/convincing mother fully?
Posted by: "deep_ocean_of_sorrow" deep_ocean_of_sorrow@yahoo.com deep_ocean_of_sorrow
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:31 am ((PDT))

oh wow, thank you so much, sandy.(and of course everyone else here too
the replied.)

i didn't realize that timing was so important for food. that day was
starting a little late, so the breakfast became a bit late. (all my
fault, i know.)

and i think i gave my dog some beef liver that night too....so that
explains why.

anyways,

i got freaked cause my mom isn't fully convinced with the raw foods
diet. (it is sooo annoying.)
when he gets something like loose stools or throws up like he did, she
goes and tells me, " maybe we should switch back to kibbles. or at least
1/2 kibbles??" and of course, i say "NO! kibbles are bad for dogs!!",
etc etc. it sort of sounds like a threat. i just think she's lazy. XP

in the end, i gave her some printed page(s) of whats in dog food (crap..
crap and more crap.) and what we should be feeding our dogs (that part
didn't really go directly to raw foods, just said about healthy natural
foods thats not kibbles--kinda thing.) and it had to be in japanese,
cause she can't read english (she's lived here for soooo long and she
doesn't even try.) so there wasn't much good information about it... i
only found like, 2 pages that was worth reading through and printing out
for her.

she's still not convinced fully. she thinks that kibbles are complete
and gives our dog nutrients and vegetables that are "needed". i say that
i do give some veggies (not forcefully, i put some carrot chunks on the
meat, if he doesn't want to eat it, he won't. i'm not too strict about
it, and its not a everyday thing. only sometimes. ) and my mom says that
he needs more.

gosh, i'm so sorry its long. but how can i fully convince my mother? any
information has to be in japanese (i'm really really sorry for this very
incovinience...) or something translatable that i can tell my mom.

thanks,

Kate
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> "deep_ocean_of_sorrow" deep_ocean_of_sorrow@ wrote:
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> > my dog is recently having vomits in the mornings (before his
> > breakfast... so i think its something from his dinner)
> >
> > and having really loose stools...
> <snip>
> > i don't know whats wrong, please help!
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>
> First: take a deep breath.
>
> Dogs are not burdened by our human judgments about being "sick" or
> about tossing back up something that's not agreeing with their
> stomach. Chances are -- if your dog is acting normally -- he's not
> upset about this. YOU being upset about it doesn't do either of you
> any good, either. Chances are also that there's nothing
> really "wrong," here, just his digestive system adjusting to his new
> diet and to his expectations of mealtime.
>
> Someone's already pointed out that if you regularly feed at one set
> time, your dog will get used to that and will get geared up to eat AT
> that particular time. If food doesn't appear, all the bile he's
> generated in expectation will get irritating, and he'll toss it up.
> No biggie, but avoidable just by mixing up mealtime a bit.
>
> Newbie dogs -- and only a month is still fairly new -- also sometimes
> toss up undigested bits of bone. Even oldbie dogs like mine will
> toss up some bone if there's more in a meal than they can comfortably
> handle. Could it be you're feeding more bone than necessary?
>
> As for loose stools -- well, what's he eating? Variety in = variety
> out -- remember that you're not going to see identical ki**le-fed poo
> every time your dog goes. Bone-heavy meals = hard crumbly stool;
> meatymeat meals = less-formed stool; lots of fat or organs (or
> whatever your dog finds "rich") = loose stool.
>
> All just not a big deal, if it's appropriate to what he's been eating
> in the last few days.
>
> -- sandy & griffin
>

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7b. Re: loose stool and vomits?/convincing mother fully?
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:54 am ((PDT))

"deep_ocean_of_sorrow" <deep_ocean_of_sorrow@...> wrote:

> i didn't realize that timing was so important for food. that day was
> starting a little late, so the breakfast became a bit late.

Timing ISN'T so important, unless we make it so. Truth be told, my
own dog is in quite a routine for the morning, what with me trying to
get to work again -- he always seems to find the familiar routine
comforting, and he doesn't get worked up wondering if he gets to come
along when he knows I'm getting ready for work. So he eats at a
fairly set time in the morning. But if you have a bit more
flexibility, as even I do in the evenings, mix up the mealtime. Feed
at 7 one day, 6:30 the next, 7:30 the day after. If you're in a rush
and can't really spare the time for a meal, skip it. The less the
dog knows to expect food, the less upset he'll be by a break in
routine, or a late morning.

> i just think she's lazy. XP

Most people are, at least about their pets. I try to remember that
although my dog is tremendously important to me, and I would go to
any expense to keep him healthy and happy, most people have pets for
their own benefit, without giving a lot of thought to what the dog
(or whatever) needs. It's just up to you to be that much stronger an
advocate for your dog!

> how can i fully convince my mother? any
> information has to be in japanese (i'm really really sorry for this
very
> incovinience...) or something translatable that i can tell my mom.

Have you read all the myths on http://www.rawfed.com?

There are
pictures on some of those pages, and hopefully you could translate
most of the stuff on those pages. (If you need help with particular
words or phrases, you might ask on RawChat if Yassy or Ginny could
help -- I believe they both speak Japanese.) Also, if just plain
pictures help, have you shown her http://rawfeddogs.net?

-- sandy & griffin

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8a. Re: Processing Tripe
Posted by: "doguenanny" Dixie4911@aol.com doguenanny
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:31 am ((PDT))

Hi Penny,

Thanks for the quick response. Just wondering, how hard is it to cut
up? The knives I have aren't very sharp. Should I purchase any type of
special knife? Does the vet do anything with it before you get it?
Do you get the whole stomach? What does it look like? I really don't
know what to expect when I start cutting it up. I've gutted and
cleaned deer for the dogs, so I'm not sqeamish about this, I'm just
trying to figure out how to go about getting it all cut up and packed
away in the freezer.

Thanks,

Frankie

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9a. Re: Anyone add vinegar to their dogs drinking water
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:32 am ((PDT))

Another possibility is that your dog has a yeast problem or candida and that
the vinegar (but please use apple cider instead of the white distilled) may
be balancing the PH to address an imbalance, yes? The runny eyes and
discolored teeth are consistent with that possibility. If this is the problem the
condition should be aggravated by sweets/fruit/grains (which you're not
feeding so you can't tell) and sometimes by dampness.

Carol for Spencer

p.s. Apple cider vinegar is not a toxin. I take it in warm water every
morning as a digestive stimulant and PH balancer and I also rinse Spencer's meat
in it. And yes, it is an antibacterial agent as well I believe.

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9b. Re: Anyone add vinegar to their dogs drinking water
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:43 am ((PDT))

If he's not getting enough bone, that could
DEFINITELY be why his tartar isn't going away. Scrap
the vinegar and try some bones first.
If that helps than you don't need to keep using
vinegar.

Nathalie

> > > They are only getting raw chicken,pork, cornish
> hens,
> liver,hearts,salmon,chicken eggs,sardines.
> It may be that he is just not getting enough bone
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10a. Alternative Tx for allergies?
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 4:33 am ((PDT))

Sorry, but I've known people who have had excellent results with this type
of testing and treatment for allergies. This is energy work (not unlike
homeopathy or reiki or many other energy healing approaches) so the term "allergy"
has a little different meaning. I get a little nervous when people write
off treatments as quackery or label alternative approaches as whacko without
having direct experience. Homeopathy often "fails" and we don't call that
whacko, we say the disease was too far in it's course or wrong remedy or
something like that. When conventional methods fail we say similar things. Proof is
in the results for me. One of the most highly respected alternative vets in
the eastern states uses this approach. Who knows for sure??

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11a. New to rawfeeding-need help!
Posted by: "jennifer_ricotta" ricottaj@mac.com jennifer_ricotta
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:10 am ((PDT))

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Hello everyone. I've been feeding my dog raw chicken for a few weeks now without bones to
ease her into it since she has such fierce digestive issues (she even throws up water if she
drinks too much). Surprisingly, she's doing great, considering we tried the raw chicken
patties earlier this year and she would vomit for 2 days after! Here are my questions:
1-Where are you feeding the dog? I obviously can't have her running around the house with
a raw chicken.
2-How do I know if she is crunching the bones enough? I fed her bones for the first time last
night. I think she would have swallowed the chicken neck whole if I didn't stop her. I hand
fed her the neck and a wing. I feel like she barely crunched them, though no problems yet.
She has horribly crooked teeth and is missing one of the large sharp incisors from birth. So
you understand the severity, when she was a pup, the vet asked me if she could eat! She's
seven now though and has no problem eating. Also, I gave her a large lamb bone to knaw on
last week and she did fine. Should I be concerned?
3-To solve the above two things, should I just grind the bones with the meat? Would it be
good for her if I did decide to do that and occasionally give her a large bone to knaw on for
her teeth? Also, is there a home meat grinder that can do the job?
4-Lastly, what bones are you giving your dog? I have a 50 lb. pit bull/boxer. I've read
chicken backs, wings, breast (but not drumstick?) but what about the lamb or beef? What
other meat options should I consider and which bones?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!

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11b. Re: New to rawfeeding-need help!
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:31 am ((PDT))

For a 50lbs

> 1-Where are you feeding the dog? I obviously can't
> have her running around the house with
> a raw chicken.

Lots of people use vinyl table clothes or a shower
curtain. I just throw the meat on the floor in the
kitchen and clean it up when she's done with a few
squirts of hydrogen peroxide mixed with water.

> 2-How do I know if she is crunching the bones
> enough? I fed her bones for the first time last
> night. I think she would have swallowed the chicken
> neck whole if I didn't stop her. I hand
> fed her the neck and a wing. I feel like she barely
> crunched them, though no problems yet.

How big is this dog? Usually chicken necks/backs/wings
are too bony for bigger dogs unless they are attached
to a whole bird. Try bigger, like a whole chicken.
Dogs don't really chew, they bite off enough to get
down their throats and swallow. That's why it's better
to give them things that are AS BIG or BIGGER than
their head. It forces them to chew a bit more.

> She has horribly crooked teeth and is missing one of
> the large sharp incisors from birth. So
> you understand the severity, when she was a pup, the
> vet asked me if she could eat! She's
> seven now though and has no problem eating. Also, I
> gave her a large lamb bone to knaw on
> last week and she did fine. Should I be concerned?

If she did fine, why should you be concerned? There
are lots of people on this list who have dogs with
only a few teeth who do just fine on raw.

> 3-To solve the above two things, should I just grind
> the bones with the meat? Would it be
> good for her if I did decide to do that and
> occasionally give her a large bone to knaw on for
> her teeth? Also, is there a home meat grinder that
> can do the job?

Don't waste your time or your money. Chewing/gnawing
on bones also helps your dog psychologically. It's
challenging and will make for a happier dog. Bones are
healthy. If she's been doing fine on them, or if she's
fine with a lamb bone then I don't see a problem
feeding her chicken or any other bones (except weight
baring bones like beef).
Ripping meat off a bone is what dogs were meant to do,
crooked teeth or no. It helps start the digestion and
is incredibly stimulating, not to mention the benefits
for the teeth.

> 4-Lastly, what bones are you giving your dog? I
> have a 50 lb. pit bull/boxer. I've read
> chicken backs, wings, breast (but not drumstick?)
> but what about the lamb or beef? What
> other meat options should I consider and which
> bones?

Chick backs/wings/necks are TOO BONY for a dog that
size. Get your dog a whole chicken! Your dog needs
MEAT.
My dog is about 50lbs and I give her lamb shoulder
(it's huge and takes her a few days to get through
it), turkey breast (bone-in), goat necks, beef necks,
pork roast, beef leg muscle (no bone) and fatty meat
scraps from the butcher. I also feed beef liver and
beef heart in small quantities. Not to mention the
drumstick bones that she steals from the cats.
Get your dog some MEATY MEAT. Pork is usually a good
one, and most dogs love it. If you have some in your
area (grocery store or butcher), you could try getting
a whole rabbit (my dog did not like that at all).
You want to get a whole variety or different meats
from different sources.
Chicken, turkey, cornish hen, pork, beef, lamb, goat,
rabbit, deer (if you can find it) etc.
Think WHOLE prey.

Nathalie

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11c. Re: New to rawfeeding-need help!
Posted by: "jennifer_ricotta" ricottaj@mac.com jennifer_ricotta
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:45 am ((PDT))

Thanks so much. The chicken parts that I was feeding her were from a cut up whole chicken
that I bought. I'll just give her the whole thing next time! Thanks for putting me at ease
about the bone thing---i'm a nervous newbie, what can i say! I'll skip the meat grinder and
stick with it! I appreciate your help!
Jennifer

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12a. Re: Rawfeeding Recipes
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:47 am ((PDT))

Chicken bones are one of the most edible bones you can
give your dog. Puppies can handle the bones. Maybe
don't cut it up next time, give your pup a chance to
really get in there. Wings and necks are pretty bony
themselves.

Nathalie

> I have a question about this. I bought a whole
> chicken tonight to do just that but when I cut the
> breastbone, the bones seemed very sharp for a puppy,
> although I do give wings, necks and legs. I cut off
> the meat and decided next time to buy a cornish hen
> and just give her the whole thing.
>
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13a. Re: Someone mentioned pig something or other for...
Posted by: "angelsnoopers64859" angelsnoopers64859@yahoo.com angelsnoopers64859
Date: Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:37 am ((PDT))

I have Old English Sheepdogs who are at 50 lbs. right now and I am
looking to add 5-10 lbs onto them.
Thanks. Valerie

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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "angelsnoopers64859"
> <angelsnoopers64859@> wrote:
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> > putting on weight. What was it?
> *****
> Heck, pig anything should be good for weight gain, as long as your
dog
> can comfortably digest the fat. Except for the leanest cuts that are
> being promoted by the Pork Council as comparable to chicken, pork is
a
> fatty meat.
>
> What size dog do you have and what kind of weight gain are you
looking
> for?
> Chris O
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