[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11894

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Topics in this digest:

1a. I need your honest experience on this..
From: cmhausrath
1b. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
From: Margaret Martell
1c. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
From: Andrea
1d. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
From: Nathalie Poulin
1e. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
From: Yasuko herron

2a. Re: First time question
From: cmhausrath
2b. Re: First time question
From: Margaret Martell
2c. First time question
From: Joy Redwine
2d. First time question
From: Andrea
2e. Re: First time question
From: Margaret Martell

3a. Re: E vitamin
From: ychinook

4a. Matisse: black stool
From: Pamela Picard
4b. Re: Matisse: black stool
From: Pamela Picard

5a. Re: No problems and a lovely vet
From: Pamela Picard
5b. Re: No problems and a lovely vet
From: Nathalie Poulin

6a. Re: calcium/magnesium ratio????
From: Ivette Casiano

7a. Re: Newbie who needs help
From: Andrea

8a. Re: New to this - beef
From: John Connolly
8b. Re: New to this - beef
From: Laurie Swanson
8c. Re: New to this - beef
From: Yasuko herron
8d. Re: New to this - beef
From: Laurie Swanson

9. Feeding arw to a dog who has had a mouth Biopsy
From: Susanne MacLeod

10a. Re: UPDATE Matisse: black stool
From: Pamela Picard

11. Q re pork stomach
From: Daisy Foxworth

12. Hello, I'm a new member of the raw feeding group, not sure what vegg
From: Jenelle Fraser

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1a. I need your honest experience on this..
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 6:38 am ((PDT))

"Daisy Foxworth" <daisyfoxworth@...> wrote:

> I'll take the
> possibility of issues from raw against the almost guaranty they
will
> die prematurely if I don't feed raw.

Amen.

I started raw feeding 4 years ago, when my dog was 9ish. His health
and attitude have been consistently MUCH improved versus when he ate
ki**le, despite the fact that he was much younger back when he ate
ki**le. Yes, he's gradually slowing down, but he's aging gracefully
and happily. I'll take it, any day.

Please don't forget (not you, Daisy, I mean the original poster) that
accidents happen, no matter what you feed. I have no idea of
numbers, but dogs choke on all kinds of things, and get intestinal
blockages from all kinds of (usually non-food) things. The only dog
I ever personally knew who had to have emergency surgery for a
blockage was a ki**le-fed mini schnauzer who ate the blanket left in
his crate.

-- sandy (who regrets only that she didn't find out about raw feeding
sooner) & griffin (who doesn't regret anything)

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1b. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
Posted by: "Margaret Martell" zahrammm1@yahoo.com zahrammm1
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 6:47 am ((PDT))

lar07911 <lar07911@yahoo.com> wrote: Feedback welcome please! Thanks,
Laura
******
Hi Laura....
The only "problem" I encountered with my Dobe was she broke a back tooth when she was eating a big slab of pork ribs. Took her to the vet just to check it out, and he said it wasn't a big deal. Tooth didn't have to be pulled and it doesn't bother her or hinder her eating of anything.
No blockages or perforations or negative results from this diet. My dog loves it and she is so much healthier than when she was fed the "K" dog "food".
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1c. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 8:07 am ((PDT))

Luckily, we've never had anything serious happen here. When Geiger was
first switching over, he would have some undigested bone in his poo,
and sometime puked up bone bits that didn't sit well. After about 4
months those things stopped happening.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lar07911" <lar07911@...> wrote:

> have any of you had serious problems such as bones blocking the
> digestive tract or a forced trip to the vet because of raw feeding?

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1d. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 8:42 am ((PDT))

About 2 1/2 weeks ago, in the middle of the night, my
dog horked up a small chunk of bone. I didn't feel
like getting up to clean it, and she ended up eating
it. No big deal.
She didn't look uncomfortable and wasn't acting any
differently than she usually does.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that anyone
who has had problems with bones here probably has what
we call a "gulper".
That's why we all monitor our dogs when they're
eating, just in case. And feed HUGE pieces of meat,
bigger than the dogs head so they're forced to take
their time to rip and tear instead of swallowing
whole.
My dog isn't a gulper, and I've noticed that she's
been stealing the cat's chicken drumettes...something
I would NEVER consider giving my dog because it's way
too small, but she eats them up fine.
My dog loves crunching on bones.

Nathalie

> I know the dangers are small, but have any of you
had
> serious problems
> such as bones blocking the digestive tract or a
> forced trip to the vet
> because of raw feeding? I want to hear any and all
> issues you have
> had.

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1e. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 8:53 am ((PDT))

>> have any of you had serious problems such as bones blocking the
> digestive tract or a forced trip to the vet because of raw feeding?

I have been on raw 13 weeks now,and we have never had any serious problems at all.

Before,palette was not sure what to do with the food I put and,too excited for eating nicely crunch down to bits she can swalow but she misjudged once and,hoaked up some bits but from that day on,she learned she needed to bite to smaller pieces to swallow so,she crunch down more and eat relax.She knows she get yummy food next time too not just the day she got.This hoaking up stuff never happened again.

Other than that, her digestive system was not too prepared so, once in awhile I saw bone in her poo about thumb nail size,but gradually,I did not find it any more.She digesting bone better than before.

I make sure I supervise while she eats and,I do not leave her alone with meal.
She eat so relax;laying on mat etc and get excited when I bring meal in so,that put smiles on my face and I never regret that I changed her diet to raw. It was best choice that I have made for her.She is thriving.

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2a. Re: First time question
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 6:44 am ((PDT))

"redwinejoy" <redwine1@...> wrote:

> I just started my sheltland sheepdog on the raw diet yesterday.

Oh, congratulations!!

> My concern is that he
> has not pooped since the first meal yesterday.

Yeah, I agree that you're probably worrying about nothing =) There is,
as you've already learned, no filler in raw food -- so your dog is at
last getting to digest everything he's fed.

To give you a bit of context for what you can expect: when I visit my
parents, I walk their 40ish pound dog along with my 60ish pound dog.
Their dog -- still fed ki**le, regardless of what I say -- poops twice
a day, at least. My dog poops once a day, usually. His stool is
generally half the size of hers. So we're talking 25% of the stool
volume -- for a dog half again as big.

Wow. It still amazes me.

-- sandy & griffin

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2b. Re: First time question
Posted by: "Margaret Martell" zahrammm1@yahoo.com zahrammm1
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 6:51 am ((PDT))

redwinejoy <redwine1@windstream.net> wrote: He normally is very regular. I am probably worrying about nothing but is it normal for them to slow up at first. He is drinking and
seems to feel well. Thanks, Joy p.s. he is a large shelty (30 lbs.)
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Sounds about right to me. His "regular" isn't going to be like that anymore. His body is using all of the nutrients he just put in to it, so there is minimal waste coming out, whereas in K fed dogs, their bodies don't use anything from it, so it gets rid of most of what was eaten.
My 80 lb Dobe will poop maybe once a day..sometimes she'll skip a day. Great for cleaning up the yard. :-)
Hopes this calms the worries.
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2c. First time question
Posted by: "Joy Redwine" redwine1@windstream.net redwinejoy
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 7:26 am ((PDT))

Well, he made an attempt to go this morning and only passed a tiny
amount...definitely constipated. Would feeding organ meat help
soften him up? Thanks, Joy

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2d. First time question
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 7:47 am ((PDT))

From what I have seen, raw fed dogs have to use a lot more effort to
poo in general. Since apparently Geiger prefers to have an audience
when he poos, I have lots of people ask me if he's constipated. Nope,
that's just how he is (Tycho does this too). The poo isn't crumbly or
anything, it just takes effort that soft ki**le poo doesn't.

We're serious when we say the poos will be smaller, and the "tiny
amount" might just be all he had to pass. Some people report that
their dogs didn't go for three days when they started the diet. This
is the first time the body can use *all* of the food it gets. I'd give
it a day or two before I introduce organ meat, that can get really ugly
really fast for newbies. You could add some more meat to the diet
without risking cannon butt, though. Good luck, you're doing great!

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Joy Redwine <redwine1@...> wrote:
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> Well, he made an attempt to go this morning and only passed a tiny
> amount...definitely constipated. Would feeding organ meat help
> soften him up?

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2e. Re: First time question
Posted by: "Margaret Martell" zahrammm1@yahoo.com zahrammm1
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

Joy Redwine <redwine1@windstream.net> wrote: Well, he made an attempt to go this morning and only passed a tiny
amount...definitely constipated. Would feeding organ meat help
soften him up? Thanks, Joy
***********
Joy
He may not be constipated. Maybe only that tiny amount was what he needed to get rid of. Giving too much of organ meat, especially for a newbie, can result in very loose stools. The size and/or frequency of his poo is going to be completely different than what you're used to, so maybe hold off for a day or two, keep feeding him the way you have been and see how things go.
Margaret & Zahra

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3a. Re: E vitamin
Posted by: "ychinook" chinook.nr@tds.net ychinook
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 6:45 am ((PDT))

Given a proper and varied carnivore diet, supplementing with any of
the fat soluble vitamins (A, D, E & K) is risky and even though
vitamin E is the least toxic of the four, excess vitamin E opens the
door to possible blood coagulation and thyroid problems.

The better vitamin E supplements (for humans) are derived from the
natural grain oils and dark greens, and as we all know carnivores
aren't well equipped to efficiently process plant based nutrients.

In a carnivore diet chicken thigh (including skin) has the highest
vitamin E content, followed by chicken breast and pork shoulder
(p<0.05). The lowest concentrations are found in longissimus dorsi
muscle from pork, beef, veal and in beef shoulder. In other words
fatty meats for the fat soluble vitamin E. The other fat soluble
vitamins are obtained from mostly liver.

A good raw diet provides all a dog needs and supplementing with fish
oil (for omega 3) is simply making up for a deficiency created by
man's meat production practices. Supplementing in general though,
especially with plant based nutrients, should be avoided except in
very specific expertly diagnosed situations.

Lee, Karen, Buddy Bear and Holly

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4a. Matisse: black stool
Posted by: "Pamela Picard" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 7:07 am ((PDT))

You are spot on. Thanks.
Pamela

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, blechatlb@... wrote:
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> **Three days ago, after a meal of edible beef brisket bone, he had a
very
> severe attack of gastritis**
> -------------------------------
> Pamela,
>
> Had he been fed beef in the past? Not many beef bones are
edible....it may
> be that he is having some trouble with the more dense beef bone,
but I doubt
> it is a serious problem. Do you alternate proteins with him? It
sounded as

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4b. Re: Matisse: black stool
Posted by: "Pamela Picard" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 7:08 am ((PDT))

Thanks for your response. It's not entirely left field. Because of
similar symptoms when he was 3, I had Matisse tested for Addison's and
he was negative. If the situation persists, we will test again.
Pam

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lizwehrli" <lizwehrli@...> wrote:
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>
> I may be way out in left field. I too have a standard poodle. Two
> years ago, prior to feeding raw, Gus stopped being interested in food
> and lost his energy, had gooey poops, and vomited frequently. He was
> 5 years old. After countless vet visits, over $4000, we finally got a
> diagnosis of Addisons disease, an adrenal insufficiency. It is called

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5a. Re: No problems and a lovely vet
Posted by: "Pamela Picard" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 7:20 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "pfinofayed" <pfinofayed@...> wrote:
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> Since we usually all post with problems and issues and questions and
> it can sometimes freak out the new raw feeders. A little good news
> and a lovely sane vet short story.
> Peggy in nw ohio
>
That's a very encouraging post to us newcomers about raw feeding. It's
also good to hear about a large animal vet. The NY Times reported
earlier this year that large animal vets are getting scarce as hens
teeth. The money in treating cows and horses is not as attractive as
treating companion animals.
Pamela

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5b. Re: No problems and a lovely vet
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 7:50 am ((PDT))

It's probably because they can't push you to buy
kibble for the cows and horses!

Nathalie

>The NY Times reported
> earlier this year that large animal vets are getting
> scarce as hens
> teeth. The money in treating cows and horses is not
> as attractive as
> treating companion animals.
> Pamela

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6a. Re: calcium/magnesium ratio????
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 7:29 am ((PDT))

<<Don't think they've had time to do much evolving in the short period of
history that pet food has been a cash cow for the manufacturers. About the same
length of time that humans have had to evolve into "thriving" like we do today
on McDonald's, etc.--if I remember the 50's as well as I think I do. :)

Lynda>>

I so agree with you Lynda. We are poisoning ourselves with that junk. (I personally haven't eaten McDonalds in 16 years, since I found out how bad it was). I also agree with the raw feeding (that's why I do it). I also heard/read that it takes 17 generations for dogs to become truly domesticated. That can happen in no time. I wonder if their digestive track changes that quickly? Any info on that?

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7a. Re: Newbie who needs help
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 8:25 am ((PDT))

I'll go with Chris on this one, rib cages are woefully lacking in the
meat department. It would be easiest fo get whole chickens and whack
them up into quarters. You want lots of meat and some bone, but mostly
meat.

Yes, feed the pups based off of their adult weight. Soon enough,
you'll be able to tell if you should back off of the food or add some
more. I was pretty diligent about estimating how much food Geiger was
eating as a puppy and I tried to stick to feeding about 2% of his ideal
weight every day, but started getting a chubby puppy (and a fat pointer
puppy is quite a silly sight). Once I started feeding him based on how
he looked (as in - fat puppy gets less food), I found I had a trim and
beautiful puppy but no idea how much he ate a day. The new pup is a
Newf mix so who knows how big he'll get, so I've let him take the lead
on this one. He gets big food and eats until he's full. Sometimes
that means a quarter of a chicken, sometimes it's an obscene amount of
pork shoulder. So far he's still a trim pup, so I'll keep trusting him
to self moderate, makes things a whole lot easier for me.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Dawn Teuscher" <dteuscher@...>
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> Thanks Andrea! Someone suggested I get Chicken rib cages. Is there
> enough meat on them? Also, how much meat to bone should there be?
> One more-do I feed the pups 2-3% of their adult weight?

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8a. Re: New to this - beef
Posted by: "John Connolly" jonpolcon@yahoo.com jonpolcon
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 8:26 am ((PDT))

Hi,

Thanks everyone for the info so far on this.
I had one follow-up question on red meat/beef.
I think I know what to buy at the store for say
chicken meat (wings, backs, necks, etc.?) But what cut
does one buy for beef (that includes some bone)?

John Connolly

--- Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com>
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> ...
> Rest is meat and some bone.
>
> Good start is chicken and,most people start from
> whole chicken whack it into quarter to feed
> appropriate portion.
>
> Keep your dog on chicken for a week or so without
> organ,and if the dog get used to the raw food,then
> you can add next variety meat.
>
> I kept my dog on chicken 2 weeks;first week
> without organ and second week with organ,and since
> she did good on that,I fed beef and chicken organ
> 3rd week.
>

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8b. Re: New to this - beef
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 9:41 am ((PDT))

Hi John,

Beef bones except possibly ribs (depending on size of your dog) are
generally inedible and/or potential tooth wreckers. My 20 lb. Boston
can't do any beef bones. Well, he'll try, but I remove them because
he's not making much progress, and could break a tooth. He's got 2
chipped teeth from feeding marrow bones when I didn't know better.

I mix boneless beef with something boney (another kind of meat). I
try to get a hunk of roast so he at least has to rip and tear the
meat a bit, but anything works and helps get red meat into the diet.
I also sometimes give him beef ribs for the workout, but remove the
bones once he's cleaned them off. So, whatever beef you can get at a
good price, you can use it that way.

Of course, there's always lamb and goat and pork, which all have more
edible bones...

Oh, and as far as the chicken, you'll be better off just getting
whole chickens, or halves, or quarters--something meatier than necks,
wings, or backs. Necks and wings are often too small (choking
hazards) unless you have really small dogs. All of those are also
boney, so you'll need to add a lot of meat to balance things out.
Sometimes they have a useful place in the diet. Just make sure
you're thinking lots of meat, some bone, and a bit of organs.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, John Connolly <jonpolcon@...>
wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> Thanks everyone for the info so far on this.
> I had one follow-up question on red meat/beef.
> I think I know what to buy at the store for say
> chicken meat (wings, backs, necks, etc.?) But what cut
> does one buy for beef (that includes some bone)?

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8c. Re: New to this - beef
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 9:42 am ((PDT))

>But what cut does one buy for beef (that includes some bone)?

Hi,John.
For Beef,probably Roast,like rump roast will be relatively cheaper,and since now is grilling season, so,flank steak or London Broil will be good too.

I once got Angus London Broil 3 dollars per package and my dog loved it a lot.

Also,try look for any meat that will be closer to sell by date and it probably be marked down the price.

If you can afford and like to give,you can buy fillet mignon to your dog (I won't though)..
Not really matter what cut you give.

What I have fed to my dog..

Boneless hunk of beef meat
Beef Cheek meat
Beef Heart
Beef Tongue
Beef Short rib (since it was very meaty looking,and did not find normal back rib slab at store.My dog took 90 minutes to finish it up and she ate all bone.My dog Corgi)
Beef Neck (My dog ate all,although took 90 minutes or so.This one is better to pair up with hunk of meat to compensate for bony part)

If you can find Beef back rib,you can give your dog slab of rib and maybe depending on how meaty it is,you may want to add more meat to it.I don't see Beef back rib at our grocerystore so,I did not get to feed it.

For rib and Neck,some dog can eat all,but some dogs leave bone and walk away,so,it is something you need to see if your dog eat the bone or not.

Hope this helped you a bit.

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8d. Re: New to this - beef
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 10:26 am ((PDT))

Just thought I'd add to this that I also feed some boneless meals.
Bone doesn't have to be in every meal. If I feed more than a couple
boneless meals in a row (especially if they're on the large side), we
tend to get loose (and sometimes frequent) stools, though.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:

> I mix boneless beef with something boney (another kind of meat).

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9. Feeding arw to a dog who has had a mouth Biopsy
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 10:28 am ((PDT))

I have a friend who I am desperatly trying to get to switch to raw.
His 4 year old Frenchie has a malignant Nasal tumour, that has deformed
her Nasal caibty. The prognosis is grim. Anyow, the dog's vet has
made a comment to him, saying there is no evidence that raw will help
the dog, which we all now is Bull. My question, is with a dog in this
state, who has had 2 recenets biopsy's on the roof of her mouth, is
there any danger from feeding raw? Germs, Salmonella, etc?
Thanks,
Suz Kate and Joey

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10a. Re: UPDATE Matisse: black stool
Posted by: "Pamela Picard" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 11:31 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Pamela Picard" <pet.wellness@...>
wrote:
> Now three days have passed. He's eating, peeing, all fine. But poo is
> thick, tar-like, which he squeezes out like toothpaste. I would think

I think we're okay. His stool was lighter color and better formed last
night. Matisse ate with gusto a chicken quarter. His stool was even
better formed today. In future, I'll be more careful with fatty beef,
offal and edible brisket bones.

Again, thanks to all for talking me down from the ledge. You're terrific!

Pam

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11. Q re pork stomach
Posted by: "Daisy Foxworth" daisyfoxworth@yahoo.com daisyfoxworth
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 11:51 am ((PDT))

In making the rounds of some local ethnic groceries in our Chinatown I
came across pork stomach. In one store it looked slightly bleached,
in another it did not appear (to my uneducated eye) to have been
processed. It was closer to the pale color I associate with pork
meat. I understand that white tripe is useless and that chicken
gizzards are counted as muscle and not organ, but what about pork
stomach? Is it glandular enough to count as an organ?

Thanks, Daisy and the fussy GingerCat

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12. Hello, I'm a new member of the raw feeding group, not sure what vegg
Posted by: "Jenelle Fraser" fraserjenelle@yahoo.com fraserjenelle
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 1:23 pm ((PDT))

hello, my dog Cami just loves the raw meat diet. I have noticed so many improvements with her it's incredible. I'm still trying to learn more about what veggies are good and which ones are bad. If you have suggestions please letme know. Thank you.
Nelly

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