[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11893

There are 11 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. OT-Re: calcium/magnesium ratio????
From: Katie

2a. Re: First time question
From: mandarini_gg
2b. Re: First time question
From: Shannon Parker

3a. Re: How many lbs. can you fit into a standard refrigerator?
From: Shannon Parker

4a. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
From: Casey Post
4b. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
From: Giselle
4c. I need your honest experience on this..
From: Cris Milam
4d. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
From: chele519
4e. I need your honest experience on this..
From: Daisy Foxworth
4f. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
From: Jacqueline Miller
4g. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
From: Greta Hill

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1a. OT-Re: calcium/magnesium ratio????
Posted by: "Katie" kcrockett@mac.com kcrockettla7
Date: Wed Aug 8, 2007 9:31 pm ((PDT))

I'll keep this in mind when I start feeding fruit flies . . . no more fruit for them!!! lol

katie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> The time frame your friend is concerned with might be adequate for
> fruit flies,

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2a. Re: First time question
Posted by: "mandarini_gg" amanda.gasparini@gmail.com mandarini_gg
Date: Wed Aug 8, 2007 9:32 pm ((PDT))

My dogs did the same thing. Things will probably even out. They're
digesting something TOTALLY different for the first time.

Mandi

My concern is that he
> has not pooped since the first meal yesterday. He normally is very
regular. I am probably
> worrying about nothing but is it normal for them to slow up at
first. He is drinking and
> seems to feel well. Thanks, Joy p.s. he is a large shelty (30 lbs.)
>

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2b. Re: First time question
Posted by: "Shannon Parker" mrbatisse@yahoo.ca mrbatisse
Date: Wed Aug 8, 2007 9:33 pm ((PDT))

Dont' worry at all. On raw, they have no filler in their diet to produce the big bowel movements. One of my dogs is regular (with incredibly small poops), the other goes every 2-3 days with one normal sized poop (by kibble standards).

Count your blessings!

Shannon

redwinejoy <redwine1@windstream.net> wrote:
My concern is that he
has not pooped since the first meal yesterday. He normally is very regular. I am probably
worrying about nothing but is it normal for them to slow up at first. He is drinking and
seems to feel well. Thanks, Joy p.s. he is a large shelty (30 lbs.)

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3a. Re: How many lbs. can you fit into a standard refrigerator?
Posted by: "Shannon Parker" mrbatisse@yahoo.ca mrbatisse
Date: Wed Aug 8, 2007 9:33 pm ((PDT))

I can fit 40Lb of raw food, separated into ziplocs, into my APARTMENT sized freezer. Granted, I have 170 lbs of dogs (2 dogs) so I go through it fast, but still, I have not much space and can still buy in bulk and get groceries for the hubby and myself...though, of course, we come last ;)

Shannon

Laurie Swanson <laurie@mckinneyphoto.com> wrote:

> I am REALLY wanting a chest freezer . . . they come in so many
different sizes though . . . can
> anyone tell me about how many pounds of frozen meat fits into ANY
size? (

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4a. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Wed Aug 8, 2007 9:40 pm ((PDT))

> I
> know the dangers are small, but have any of you had serious problems
> such as bones blocking the digestive tract or a forced trip to the vet
> because of raw feeding?

Yes.

I have a cat who developed a bowel obstruction with a rabbit bone. It
required veterinary intervention to shift it. I will add that this cat is a
rescue who has had something "not quite right" about him from day one
(lovely boy, though) and although he has some anamolous blood values, no vet
has been able to put a name to the "not quite right" thing about him, yet.
Fortunately, he recovered nicely from the obstruction and he's under
homeopathic treatment these days.

I will also say that our unfortunate experience with the bowel obstruction
has NOT put us off raw feeding at all. This cat has something wrong with
him health-wise (even if they can't name it, yet) and feeding him an
inferior diet will not help him out in the long run. As a matter of fact,
he had rabbit for breakfast today...

Nothing in life is guaranteed safe. But I know the risks (including the
risks of NOT feeding raw - lived through those, thanks, won't do that again)
and I know the warning signs and my decision to feed raw is an educated one.
Points to you for being open to learning!

Casey

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4b. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Aug 8, 2007 10:20 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Laura!
About 15 years and 8 dogs experience, but no serious
problems here.
Even fed a dog with Irritable Bowel Disease - he loved his raw meat
and bones! Just had to adjust fat intake and meal size/frequency for him.
My recommendation? Don't wait for the new freezer! Just jump in, and
buy in bulk when you get one! : )
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I have been lurking on this group and also doing my own research. I
> know the dangers are small, but have any of you had serious problems
> such as bones blocking the digestive tract or a forced trip to the vet
> because of raw feeding? I want to hear any and all issues you have
> had. I know this is a pro-raw feeding group, but I want to hear all
> sides. I am not worried about the loose stool issue that is possible.
> I am holding off starting raw feeding until I purchase a large freezer
> to make it more economical. Feedback welcome please! Thanks,
> Laura
>

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4c. I need your honest experience on this..
Posted by: "Cris Milam" cmilam@comcast.net cris_milam
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 4:32 am ((PDT))

Laura,

We haven't had any serious - or non-serious - problems feeding raw.
However, I do well remember giving Duncan that first raw meal and thinking I
had just signed my dog's death sentence. There is a lot of cultural
learning we humans have to undo to get comfortable handing a RMB to a
beloved dog. Where you are right now is normal, but all the research and
statistics available won't make it that much easier to hand your dog a bone.
At some point, you will just have to decide to do it or not. Best wishes on
your decision.

Cris M

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4d. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 5:10 am ((PDT))

Laura, I know how you feel. I was really concerned about these risks
when I started feeding raw. It's been 1 1/2 years now and no serious
problems. I still have concerns but the positive changes I've seen in
their health overrides the concerns.

And, on the freezer, I was going to wait also but I happened to find a
good deal at Best Buy, 3 years no interest on appliances, pay $20 a
month. You might shop around for that kind of deal.
Michele

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lar07911" <lar07911@...> wrote:
>
> I have been lurking on this group and also doing my own research.
> I am holding off starting raw feeding until I purchase a large freezer
> to make it more economical. Feedback welcome please! Thanks,
> Laura
>

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4e. I need your honest experience on this..
Posted by: "Daisy Foxworth" daisyfoxworth@yahoo.com daisyfoxworth
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 5:14 am ((PDT))

>
> We haven't had any serious - or non-serious - problems feeding raw.
> However, I do well remember giving Duncan that first raw meal and
thinking I
> had just signed my dog's death sentence.
>

I didn't reach that point until three weeks into raw when my cat
stopped eating and then developed a progressively worsening diarrhea.
Couldn't avoid the guilty thoughts at that point.

In hindsight, I think she stopped eating because I still had her on
just chicken and she was bored with it. I'm not sure the cause of the
diarrhea but I don't think it was a pathogen. I know enough
homeopathy I was able to set her straight very quickly once I put the
effort into thinking through what she needed.

Started her up again and introduced as much variety as I could. No
problems at all since then.

My three previous cats all died from problems I think could have been
helped greatly by raw, so I have no regrets. I'll take the
possibility of issues from raw against the almost guaranty they will
die prematurely if I don't feed raw.

Daisy

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4f. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
Posted by: "Jacqueline Miller" beaulincolnsmine@yahoo.com beaulincolnsmine
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 6:06 am ((PDT))

FYI on freezers:
I got mine freezer at Sam's Club for $125.00 and
$25.00 for delivery. It's small but it holds what I
use. They also have larger freezers and you can buy on
line.
My dogs have never been healthier since I have been
feeding them raw. They have been on it all year. I
have dogs ranging from 14 months to 9 years old. I
have 2 german shepherds, a standard poodle and a lhasa
apso. I have had no bouts of diarrhea (which was
chronic with the 3 older ones before raw). In fact we
haven't been to the vet except for my 14 month old
shepherd who, unfortunately, has severe hip dysplasia
in both hips. They are lean except for my male
shepherd who is getting there.
I was very hesitant in feeding them raw because of the
cost, the "mess" and the "tradition". All of my vets
do not approve. I do believe that my dogs are happier,
healthier on it.
Jackie

--- chele519 <chele519@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Laura, I know how you feel. I was really concerned
> about these risks
> when I started feeding raw. It's been 1 1/2 years
> now and no serious
> problems. I still have concerns but the positive
> changes I've seen in
> their health overrides the concerns.
>
> And, on the freezer, I was going to wait also but I
> happened to find a
> good deal at Best Buy, 3 years no interest on
> appliances, pay $20 a
> month. You might shop around for that kind of deal.
> Michele
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lar07911"
> <lar07911@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have been lurking on this group and also doing
> my own research.
> > I am holding off starting raw feeding until I
> purchase a large freezer
> > to make it more economical. Feedback welcome
> please! Thanks,
> > Laura
> >
>
>
>

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4g. Re: I need your honest experience on this..
Posted by: "Greta Hill" GretaHill@aol.com sunstate23
Date: Thu Aug 9, 2007 6:08 am ((PDT))

I've switched 7 dogs over 5 years, and no problems.

Please don't forget that no one "blames" kibble when those dogs get
serious health problems. Heck, I even saw a dog that choked on a piece
of kibble on one of those vet tv shows - they thought it might die -
and the vets never blamed the food! If it was raw it would have made
the evening news.

BTW I fed from my house freezer for years, you just can't stock up as
much during good sales.

Greta

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