[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11887

There are 9 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: 13 week old puppies with diarrhea and vomiting
From: ginny wilken

2a. Re: Newbie question - another one
From: carnesbill
2b. Re: Newbie question - another one
From: carnesbill

3a. Re: pork bones
From: carnesbill

4. Too much variety or bad chicken? (was: Physical Symptoms Since Start
From: Ivette Casiano

5a. Re: Re-check on fish oil amounts
From: Andelys Peck

6a. Re: New to raw/Help needed
From: Ivette Casiano

7. 10 week old Sheltie
From: Rosemary

8a. Re: Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
From: Ivette Casiano

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1a. Re: 13 week old puppies with diarrhea and vomiting
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Aug 6, 2007 10:45 pm ((PDT))

On Aug 6, 2007, at 3:51 PM, brandy smolen wrote:

> My question after all that is - tell me
> that I made her sick with giving her to many different
> things all in one week. Please tell me that's it! I
> don't know what I should do from here - what to feed
> her - how do I get her better? Or is this something
> that I need to take her in. Please let me know if
> anyone has experience this before and what to do!!
> Thanks for reading the book of an entry I wrote - any
> input would be great!
> Brandy

Gladly! You made her sick by giving too much variety. Now, when ya
gonna stop? No more cooking, no more Granddad's, no more pulped
veggies, and no more than one meat, at least until you get her
stable. Go read our archives and links and files, and get everyone's
consensus on starting out. Go with the chicken, large pieces that she
has to work and cannot gulp. No ground stuff, no tiny necks, no huge
turkey drums. Stick with this - and we mean stick! - no veggies,
table scraps, leftover salad, roadkill, whatever - not for now, if ever.

You have her whole lifetime to branch out and discover other sources,
but you have issued a totally bewildering assortment so far, and a
bunch of weird veggies and stuff that aren't really part of a
canine's diet. You want to feed her like a wild junkyard dog, or like
a very lucky wolf? Yeah, thought so.

Keep us posted; we can get you through any rough spots.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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2a. Re: Newbie question - another one
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Aug 7, 2007 5:06 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...>
wrote:
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> Can I go ahead
> and feed these or
> do you think it's better to wait?

If it were me, I'd go ahead and feed them. I don't pay attention to
enhanced or not enhanced. Neither me or my dogs can tell the
difference which they eat. No soft stools, no throwing up, no
nothing. No matter what kind of chicken they eat, the result is the
same.

> looked at their chicken - and their packages it said -
> 100% Natural -
> Minimally Processed (not real sure what that means?) No
> added hormones - no
> added steroids etc...

No chicken has added hormones or steriods. It's just not done.
They want you to think you are getting better chicken but it's just
like the other 10,000,000 chickens bought that day.

> is it alright to feed them chicken that says grain fed
> raised?

Yes

> OH, almost forgot - some of the Turkey and the chicken that
> I looked at said
> __% of water retained - mean something? Bad / Good?

It means nothing. Don't worry about it.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2b. Re: Newbie question - another one
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Aug 7, 2007 5:09 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Brandi Bryant" <bbryant573@...>
wrote:
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> Can I go ahead and feed these or
> do you think it's better to wait?

Go ahead and feed them. I never pay attention to enhanced or not
enhanced. I can tell no difference when I feed my dogs which kind
they got. The results are exactly the same with both. Salt is a
vital mineral. All animals will die without salt. Excess salt is
filtered out by the kidneys.

> No added hormones - no
> added steroids etc...is it alright to feed them chicken that
> says grain fed
> raised?

All chickens do not have added hormones or steriods. These chickens
are nothing special. Yes feed grain fed chickens.

> OH, almost forgot - some of the Turkey and the chicken that
> I looked at said
> __% of water retained - mean something? Bad / Good?

Feed it. Retained water is a neutral. Not good, not bad.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3a. Re: pork bones
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Aug 7, 2007 5:07 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@...> wrote:
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> I got a huge pork picnic-shoulder and leg-that I cut up in big chucks
> for my dogs. is the leg bone too much for them? i do not want
> cracked teeth! thanks. this is a great group.
> take care
> lynda and maude and franklin

I don't remember what kind of dogs you have but my Danes eat them with
no problem. Most dogs can.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4. Too much variety or bad chicken? (was: Physical Symptoms Since Start
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Tue Aug 7, 2007 5:08 am ((PDT))

<<I'd fast him for a day, put the
questionable chicken in the freezer, get some new stuff, and feed a
small meal after the fast. Once things get back to normal you can try
the questionable chicken again>>

Sounds like good advice. I'm going to try that since he just had diarrhea again and I fed him only new, good chicken. It's been 4 days now and he seems a bit lethargic. I think he may be eating something outside. We're going to have to be super vigilant.
Thanks Andrea

Ivette Casiano
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5a. Re: Re-check on fish oil amounts
Posted by: "Andelys Peck" a_peck@hotmail.com rottsnkelpies
Date: Tue Aug 7, 2007 5:08 am ((PDT))

I am behind on my emails so sorry if this was mentioned but you should
always give Vitamin E too if you are giving Salmon Oil.
Andy

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6a. Re: New to raw/Help needed
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Tue Aug 7, 2007 5:08 am ((PDT))

<<...Veggie would not be something that hurt dog seriously except onion but, I don't feed veggie because i know it comes out as whole piece from other end and they don't get benefit from veggie's nutrition.
I am sorry i could not reply all of your questions but i am sure that others can help you out>>.

yassy, your explanation was wonderful. You have a lot of common sense and explained why we should feed dogs raw extremely well. I'm sure you helped the person who asked very well. I always enjoy your posts.
Ivette

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7. 10 week old Sheltie
Posted by: "Rosemary" hammond3@iinet.net.au ashrafisirsiambala
Date: Tue Aug 7, 2007 5:09 am ((PDT))

Hi Everyone,
I have a ten week old,beautiful and very active pure bred Sheltie (tri-
colour) I would like to know how much to feed her and when, if anyone
can help me?
Presently she is eating raw chicken and raw chicken drummettes (on the
bone).
At the moment I am not comfortable with chicken necks as I am scared
she will choke on them. Her eating is supervised.
My German Shepherd is 14 and 1/2 years old and has been on a raw meaty
diet for 8 of them. She is like a pup, although, just a little stiff
after lying too long.

Are there supplements for collie eye...hers is mild?

Thankyou for reading
Rosy Hammond
Australia.

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8a. Re: Physical Symptoms Since Starting Raw
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Tue Aug 7, 2007 5:09 am ((PDT))

<<...It could have been something she got into that had nothing to do
with what you fed her.
Bill Carnes>>

I suspect you're absolutely right. He has been acting strangely when he goes out and sniffing in areas he normally doesn't go. My boyfriend spotted him chewing on something and when he ran down to take it away, he had swallowed it already.
We are going to have to be extremely watchful when he goes out, there seem to be some critters on our property that Nugget's enjoying eating and it's not sitting well with him. I did save the questionable chicken for later trials.
Thanks

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