[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11880

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: chicken skin and oil
From: doreenchui

2a. Re: All these non-problems
From: deep_ocean_of_sorrow

3a. Can they get Over-used to Organic?
From: nkjvcjs
3b. Re: Can they get Over-used to Organic?
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
From: dinafinkpa

5.1. New Member
From: Brandi Bryant

6a. Kidney - How to feed?
From: tottime47
6b. Re: Kidney - How to feed?
From: costrowski75
6c. Re: Kidney - How to feed?
From: tottime47

7a. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: Cindy Marabito
7b. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: flyinheller
7c. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: Yasuko herron
7d. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: Yasuko herron
7e. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
From: costrowski75

8a. drop of blood
From: lhmcmaken
8b. Re: drop of blood
From: costrowski75
8c. Re: drop of blood
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

9a. Re: ]Re: grass eating and parasite
From: Yasuko herron

10a. Kudo's for Raw
From: Robin

11.1. Re: all these problems
From: delcaste

12a. Re: Turkey wing bone ratio
From: Bearhair
12b. Re: Turkey wing bone ratio
From: tottime47

13. Border Collie Mix & Chicken Wings
From: skiblader2003

14. Flies!!!
From: kennramas

15a. Re: Questions? Pork bones? Coat?
From: BJ Swansfeger

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1a. Re: chicken skin and oil
Posted by: "doreenchui" doreenchui@yeos.com doreenchui
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 5:59 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Morledzep@... wrote:
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> In a message dated 8/2/2007 11:21:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> gwilken@... writes:
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> Your whippet may be fine, and your vet and you just accustomed to
> bloated kibble dogs. I'm no whippet expert, but the healthiest
> sighthounds I've seen who eat raw are VERY lean and hard compared
to
> their kibble-fed brethren.
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>
> ****i seem to have missed the beginning of this thread.. sorry.
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> Whippets are supposed to be VERY lean and the last 3 rib bones are
supposed
> to show.. that is when they are healthiest..
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> Is that the issue? i'm sure i missed something..
>
> Catherine R.
Hi Catherine
It used to be more than 3 rib bones showing, 6 at one stage. The last
3 days, he seems to be eating well(raw beef for this week). Put on 30
gms for the last 4 days. Not easy for him to put on weight, so I am
very happy with it. Hope this eating well thing continues for me.
By the way, I am giving him 1 tab of Enzyplex for his digestion every
day.
Doreen

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2a. Re: All these non-problems
Posted by: "deep_ocean_of_sorrow" deep_ocean_of_sorrow@yahoo.com deep_ocean_of_sorrow
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:00 am ((PDT))

oh, okay, thank you.

my dog's about 17lbs, should i be worried how much i give the slippery
elm bark? or will just a bit of sprinkle (sort of random) be okay?

¢¼Kate
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "temy1102" <tammy.a.jp@...> wrote:
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> from what i've learned from the wonderful people on this board and
> other varied sources, the mucus is a protective lining produced by the
> intestines. i think it happens during the switch because they are not
> used to the new food. slippery elm soothes the intestines, and you
> can buy it at vitamin and health stores. i buy it in capsule form and
> sprinkle it onto some ground meat i keep handy just for giving
> medicine and the like.
>
> tammy
>

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3a. Can they get Over-used to Organic?
Posted by: "nkjvcjs" nefreed@gmail.com nkjvcjs
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:00 am ((PDT))

We took the dogs on vacation with us, with the idea that we would just
get their food from whatever store we could find in whatever state we
were in at the time.

I have been very picky about what I will feed them, going organic,
grass-fed, and humane-certified for about 90% of their food. In Rhode
Island, we were feeding them late (around midnight) so we just had to
run to Shaws and get something. Rob bought conventional Ground Beef,
since it is relatively clean and we were in a hotel room.

They both ate it, but very slowly, and with no enthusiasm. Then the
next morning, about 9, Petey puked up a lot of liquid and undigested
beef. Then he had diarrhoea, and puked again about an hour later,
more undigested beef. Then he acted fine, wanted to play, was hungry
like nothing happened.

Interestingly he did not try to eat the vomit either, like he does
when he horks up a piece he ate too fast. This time, he moved away
from it, almost like he was disgusted by it.

Katie was fine.

We only got food from Whole Foods or Wild Oats after that and had no
more problems for the whole trip.

Petey is definitely our more sensitive dog as far as his stomach goes,
so could he just be so accustomed to organic that he can't handle
conventional? Are the differences that pronounced?

Thanks,

Nicole
Katie, Petey and the cats

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3b. Re: Can they get Over-used to Organic?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 10:29 am ((PDT))

"nkjvcjs" <nefreed@...> wrote:
Petey is definitely our more sensitive dog as far as his stomach goes,
> so could he just be so accustomed to organic that he can't handle
> conventional? Are the differences that pronounced?
*****
Apparently, to your dogs. Other dogs may not respond this way;
perhaps "regular" meats of a different brand might produce different
results; perhaps different "special" meats might also produce similar
reactions. My guess is your dogs were responding to the sudden change
but without further testing (as if you would want to!) tis hard to know.

I can't say as my dogs have ever--notably--responded differently to
grassfed than they do to feedlot, but they're neither picky nor
sensitive eaters.

FWIW, the Sacramento rawfeeders group recently bought about half a ton
of whole chickens--formula fed, nothing special--that were generally
poorly received by the dogs. They weren't "worse" than storebought
chickens, aguably they might have been "better." Didn't matter to the
dogs.

I think "different" was the major factor. So perhaps "different" was
what threw your dogs off as well.
Chris O
(My dogs and cat love the chicken. No digestive issues at all.)

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4a. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
Posted by: "dinafinkpa" dinafinkpa@yahoo.com dinafinkpa
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:00 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "dinafinkpa" <dinafinkpa@...> wrote:
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> Hello - I started feeding my 7 year old choc lab raw food today and
she wolfed everything
> down.

Well, it's been over 2 weeks now and both of my dogs are immensely
enjoying eating their raw food diet. I have stuck to chicken and pork
because Candie isn't allergic to those (she tests highly allergic to
beef and fish mixes). She is still on her Pred; I am going to wait a
few months before I try to wean her off that.

Here' s the problem: last night she was up scratching all night. We
have noticed some increased scratching even though she still takes her
usual amount of Pred. I did give her chicken heart/gizzards yesterday
morning; could that have caused the increased itching? I didn't give
her too much - just two small pieces. We don't her to be uncomfortable!

Thanks,
Dina

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5.1. New Member
Posted by: "Brandi Bryant" bbryant573@gmail.com bbryant573
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:02 am ((PDT))

Hello, my name is Brandi - I live in Bartlesville, OK - and I have 4 dogs, 3
cats, and 1 Missouri Foxtrotter.

Dogs first: I have an 8 year old GS Max - we haven't had a very good
summer. First flea infestation - and he licked, chewed, scratched - all the
hair off from the middle of his back, all the way down to his legs,
underneath his belly, and on his tail. I think the combination of having
flea, and being allergic to the bites about drove him nuts. At the point he
was on Purina One Chicken & Rice (I know no kibble is suppose to be
discussed - yes I read all the files :) but I wanted to give you background
info) - Frontlined all the dogs, bombed the house, did all the good stuff.
Got rid of the flea, but he was still scratching and itchy. So, in a nice
slow transition I switched him to Natural Diamond Chicken and Rice - he
seems to be doing better, but he's still itchy. So, I've thought I'd give a
raw diet a chance, everybody that does it raves about it, and how well it
improves the looks and the health of the dog...and that's what I'm wanting
for my boy and all my dogs. Also - finish the introduction - Duke, my WGSD
rescue age guessing 6 to 8 years old, who sheds constantly. Roxie, my
Whippet mix and Catori my 4 month old GS puppy with floppy ears...Cats:
Stetson, Rascal, and Georgia - and Chief my 16 month old colt - he does not
get a raw diet LOL

Ok - I'm on the German_Shepherd_Dog yahoo group list and most of them feed
raw, some of them gave me some suggestions such as:

Max may be allergic to chicken - to start out with turkey or wild game such
as deer

Start out on turkey

Somone said that I shouldn't use Frontline because it makes their coats oily
and nasty (which Max's coat isn't in the best condition) that I should use
K9-Advantex.

Someone also said that I should use Diatamaceous Earth - I have no idea what
this is, where to get it or how to use it, anybody?

So, I joined this list to help me get started on a good first time feeding
raw meals to my k-9s, have no idea where to start, how to prepare the meal,
the do's or don'ts etc....

Can anybody help me out, please!!!

Lost,
Brandi
Bartlesville, Ok
www.obediencetrainingclubofbartlesville.com

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6a. Kidney - How to feed?
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 9:01 am ((PDT))

Hi All,

I'm a little confused about kidney here.......

Reading posts that kidney should be considered an organ
and organs are supposed to be squishy?

I got some beef kidney and it looks and feels more like
heart muscle meat...

Smells like kidney, lol, but not looks or feel......

Then I read
1-Just feed a little bit each week
2- Feed to bowel tolerance
3- Some feed a meal of kidney only?

What's the wisest or are all acceptable?

So far I have only been offering a tiny amount
(keeping as part of the 10 %)
each week as not sure how much to give in
an average meal or how often....

All suggestions appreciated!

Carol & Charkee (give me more)

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6b. Re: Kidney - How to feed?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 10:51 am ((PDT))

"tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:
> I'm a little confused about kidney here.......
*****
That's cuz you're thinking too much!

> Reading posts that kidney should be considered an organ
> and organs are supposed to be squishy?
>
> I got some beef kidney and it looks and feels more like
> heart muscle meat...
*****
Kidney is one of the squidgy ick organs, sorry that our silly
definitions confused you. Liver, kidney and spleen are the big three
squigdes, IMO (although yes, both liver and spleen are lots ickier
than kidney is).

> Then I read
> 1-Just feed a little bit each week
> 2- Feed to bowel tolerance
> 3- Some feed a meal of kidney only?
>
> What's the wisest or are all acceptable?
*****
What this should tell you is one feeds what works, and what works is
determined on a dog by dog basis.

--a little each week will probably produce the fewest surprises.

--when you gradually increase the amount of any food, you generally
rely on "bowel tolerance" to tell you if you've gone too far too
fast. This means that though the specific amount will vary by dog,
too much is too much is too much.

--I recommend you not try feeding kidney-only meals til your dogs are
acclimated (via bowel tolerance) to the organ.

> So far I have only been offering a tiny amount
> (keeping as part of the 10 %)
*****
Whether you feed a glop of it once a week or a pinch every day, you
still use "part of the 10%" as the guideline. You can continue
feeding eensy peensy bits every day, that's fine. Kind of make-work,
but if you're okay with make-work it's okay by me!

> each week as not sure how much to give in
> an average meal or how often....
*****
There are no rules except to feed variety as best you can and do no
harm. I think you should stop trying to nail this thing down...feed
kidney thisa way and thatta way until you find a way that works
best. If all the ways you try seem to work best, that's excellent.
Chris O

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6c. Re: Kidney - How to feed?
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 3:55 pm ((PDT))

Hi Chris O,

You consider kidneys squidgy? Squidgy, on my list is rabbit offal &
those dang mountain oysters.....won't be feeding them any too often,
lol.....I swear I don't think I'll ever get over them, hahahaha!

--Kidney is one of the squidgy ick organs, sorry that our silly
definitions confused you. Liver, kidney and spleen are the big three
squigdes, IMO (although yes, both liver and spleen are lots ickier
than kidney is).

--That's cuz you're thinking too much!

Thanks for the compliment.....hubby says I don't do it often
enough.....hahaha.....

There are no rules except to feed variety as best you can and do no
harm. I think you should stop trying to nail this thing down...feed
kidney thisa way and thatta way until you find a way that works
best. If all the ways you try seem to work best, that's excellent.

> each week as not sure how much to give in
> an average meal or how often....
*****
Thanks for the info! Guess I'll quit thinking and go thaw out the
spleen......see what it looks like thawed..........

Carol & Charkee (the piglet)

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7a. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "Cindy Marabito" doggirl1@earthlink.net rowdycowgirl50
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 9:03 am ((PDT))

I feed chicken feet to help with arthritis. Plus, the dogs just plain
like them. Cindy

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7b. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "flyinheller" lheller@bellsouth.net flyinheller
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 9:05 am ((PDT))

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We've been feeding raw for almost four months now, and it is going
great. A couple of questions: I feel like Spenser could use a bit
more meaty meat in his diet, but I have trouble finding it at a
reasonable price. We're striving for <$1.50/lb average. Beef heart
seems to be the one boneless cut that is frequently at a good price.
Is that a good source of meaty meat? I know some people have
reported dark or soft stool, but Spenser seems fine with it. Any
other suggestions for someone with just a regular freezer? I've
been feeding a lot of whole chicken, turkey, pork necks, but they all
seem to veer towards the bony side as seen in drier poop output. I
had been doing picnic hams, but they seem pricey lately.
Also, where do you find gullet and trachea? And more stupidly, is
that included in whole chicken, turkey?

Thanks--you all are a wonderful resource.

Lisa & Spenser

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7c. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 11:07 am ((PDT))

>I feed chicken feet to help with arthritis. Plus, the dogs just plain like them.

Hi,Cindy.

Yes,my dog love that feet although my husband makes so disgusting face every time I feed it to her and he sees it.

I like chicken feet because since so thin bones compare to Beef ribs,so,it defrost very fast so,I can use it to quick add to meal when she needed more bones to it.

And,I can use it as treat after palette ate small amount of her disliking rabbit,and she trott to me to get it.

And,it is cheap package too.

yassy

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7d. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 11:08 am ((PDT))

> I have trouble finding it at a reasonable price.

Hi,Lisa. Look for good price in advertisement that come with newspaper and you sometimes see 58 cent/lb for whole chicken for example at Ukrop if you have the store near you.They do that sale a lot.

Also,Ukrop stores sell 1 dollar some cent per pound for huge 10lb pork pinic or Pork butt that you normally use for pulled BBQ pork sandwhich recipe. It will be a good buy.

Also,right now,due gripping and BBQ season,I see ribs are on quite reasonable price dollar something. You can find those like at shoppers etc.

> Beef heart seems to be the one boneless cut that is frequently at a good price.

Personally,I have never seen Beef heart at store so,I ended up ordering to supplier but Heart is rich in Vita A and D and quite nutritious so,when I feed my dog, I include heart from various sorts of animals like lamb heart,pork heart etc. That is one of the stuff i decided to make it to staple in our freezer.

>Is that a good source of meaty meat?
If your dog can torelate big hunk of heart meat,yes,but you can get Beef Chuck roast (cheaper than ribeye or NY strips ) that you use for Potroast or Rump Roast or you can get Flank steak/London Broil.Those are bigger than steaks,and for flank steak,due grilling season (fajita etc to use for) so,it mayve cheaper cut of meat as well now.

Also,you can find Beef Tongue at shoppers and it is about 9 dollars/3lb.It is not 1 dollar something but that is another thing you can feed as boneless meat.

Sometimes, if you are lucky,you get to get packagethat marked down for selling fast for close expiration date.Those are thing you can get very affordable.Maybe try going after 4pm after or you can ask meat guy when they do mark down stuff.

> I've been feeding a lot of whole chicken, turkey, pork necks,

If you want to look for bone cut,Turkey Neck is one,and my dog like that thing.
And You can find Chicken feet at shoppers to add chicken category,and you can add just 1 feet or so to the dogs boneless meat and it makes less bonier meal.
For pork,you can find Pork spare Rib Baby back ribs,other than pork neckbone.

You can add Boneless meat to those bony parts.. If the Pork picnic in your area were too expensive,you can get pork chop and cut off the bone that come with it and feed chops to go with rib etc. You can add Chicken boneless meat like tender or thigh or breast which usually quite cheaper than any other meats to ribs or necks.

Spare ribs that I got and fed had quite amount of meat to bone so,I did not add any boneless meat to that but Lamb ribs that I got was more like paying for bone with tiny bit of meat attached.So,I added pork chop /Chicken breast that I had in freezer .
I think adding any meat will be ok and you can be creative with that.I try using meat that I have on hand rather than going to get boneless meat to buy at store if it was just to add to bony piece of bone. If it were entire meal thing,then,I go and pick bigger meat.

>Also, where do you find gullet and trachea?
you can find at www.greentripe.com

>And more stupidly, is that included in whole chicken, turkey?
No,it is from Cow.

I hope it helps you a bit.

yassy

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7e. Re: Can you feed bone every meal?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 11:08 am ((PDT))

"flyinheller" <lheller@...> wrote:
I feel like Spenser could use a bit
> more meaty meat in his diet, but I have trouble finding it at a
> reasonable price. We're striving for <$1.50/lb average. Beef heart
> seems to be the one boneless cut that is frequently at a good price.
> Is that a good source of meaty meat?
*****
Heart (beef, chicken, pork, whatever) is an excellent meaty meat. Yes,
feed lots of it. As our dogs acclimate to heart meat, they can eat
bigger meals of it and we can feed more of it. So if Spencer gets a
little mushy on heart, back up some until he's producing firm stools
again, then proceed more slowly (just so you know--loose stools are not
a sign of a sicky dog, only a sign of too much food, too much fat, or
too much new).

Keep your eyes open for meatymeat deals, and buy what you can when you
can. That's the best anyone can do.

You can never go wrong buying meatymeat and you can never go wrong
feeding it.
Chris O

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8a. drop of blood
Posted by: "lhmcmaken" lhmcmaken@yahoo.com lhmcmaken
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 9:04 am ((PDT))

hello everyone
this is day 7 of raw for my two danes. am getting small stools that
are a tad slimy and the female had a drop of blood on hers this
morning. i have been feeding chicken leg quarters and breast and have
doled out a tub of chicken livers during the week. both are loving
it. does a chicken leg quarter have two much bone? thanks.
take care
lynda and maude and franklin

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8b. Re: drop of blood
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 10:59 am ((PDT))

"lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@...> wrote:
> this is day 7 of raw for my two danes. am getting small stools that
> are a tad slimy and the female had a drop of blood on hers this
> morning.
*****
Both mucus and fresh red blood indicate irritation of the lower
bowel. I don't consider either of them particularly alarming unless
they accompany persistent or significant digestive discomfort. Both
tend to go away with time although even experienced dogs may produce
them from time to time.

i have been feeding chicken leg quarters and breast and have
> doled out a tub of chicken livers during the week. both are loving
> it. does a chicken leg quarter have two much bone?
*****
Fed by itself, meal after meal after day after week after month,
yes. As part of a variety (protein variety AND body part variety), a
leg quarter is fine. Feeding leg quarters and breasts is a very nice
way of providing adequate meat and bone when just starting. Good
thinking on your part.
Chris O

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8c. Re: drop of blood
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

I wouldn't be too worried, you just started, and your dogs are just starting too. You have a good mix, and the bones in the legs/thighs are not too hard on the dogs.
You might think of doing the whole bird, I find it easier. Just a thought. But you really do have it down. And remember, keep up with the same protein for a few weeks, don't switch it up too much.
I would only worry if there was alot of blood, or painful pooing. These stools are better for the dogs, they only poop out what they don't need, that means the poop is usually firmer, unless it has more organ meats, then might not be, but mostly firmer, which means the anal sacks get excreted better, which is way better for the dogs. Sometimes that is the blood you see.
Sometimes the color in the stools is from the liver too. My great Danes do fine with organs in meals frequently, so I give them with each whole chicken. It doesn't make the stools any different, but it's also not a pound of liver either.
My guys first seemed to have a little hard time pooping, but when the poop was finally out, they were happy and running free, so no worries.
Keep an eye on things, and remember to step on it and it goes to powder when it turns white:)
Jeni

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9a. Re: ]Re: grass eating and parasite
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 12:23 pm ((PDT))

> Hi.Then,I should interfere when my dog start munching on grasses?
*****
>No.

Thank you chris. IF she ever get parasite by munching on grasses,then,it is easy to treat and no big deal then?

I let her do what she want to do when we have sniffy,rolling over,fetching time in the moring.

She really love that time and when I get bit late to wear my shoes,she stand on 2 stampy hind legs and try scratch the door.She is so impatient to go out to sniff backyard etc.

It is one of her fav time of the day.

yassy

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10a. Kudo's for Raw
Posted by: "Robin" jnrw@truevine.net jrjjlew
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 3:23 pm ((PDT))

It's about time I said "thanks!" too! My little Irish Jack, Finn, was 6mo.
when we got him and switched him to raw in January. He had no trouble of any
kind. Once I joined this list and learned that chicken wings were too much
bone alone, his stool went from slightly dry to fine. He's very enthusiastic
about RMB, and couldn't be healthier. You guys are great!

~robin

PS. I just was gifted with 5 bags of raw steaks from Freecycle for Finn, so
I couldn't be happier either!

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11.1. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 3:23 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "blacty" <Ty@...> wrote:

Am I going to have health problems to work out
> in the beginning or are these things just rare??
>
> Ty

Hello Ty

I am a Newbie and can tell you that the changes in your dog will be
amazing. My dogs look great since the diet change. Their eyes are
brighter, they don't shed, their teeth are pearlie white and their coat
is silky to the touch. Because I'm new to raw, I have many concerns but
as I read through the forum I can usually find answers to my questions.
It's easy to feed raw and your pup will thank you many times, lol!

Silvina and the pugs

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12a. Re: Turkey wing bone ratio
Posted by: "Bearhair" bearhair@spamcop.net bearhair61
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 3:55 pm ((PDT))

Lynne wrote:

>-You all are too funny. Is anyone else missing Lora from Evanston,
>IL? She'd have 10 websites posted by now!

Hey, I resemble that remark!

Turkey, all classes, wing, meat and skin, raw
Refuse: 33% (Bone)

Chicken, broilers or fryers, meat and skin, raw
Refuse: 32% (Bone)
or
Chicken, roasting, meat and skin, raw
Refuse: 28% (Bone)

Wing only
Chicken, broilers or fryers, wing, meat and skin, raw
Refuse: 46% (Bone)

Back
Chicken, broilers or fryers, back, meat and skin, raw
Refuse: 44% (Bone)

Leg
Chicken, broilers or fryers, leg, meat and skin, raw
Refuse: 27% (Bone)

Neck
Chicken, broilers or fryers, neck, meat and skin, raw
Refuse: 36% (Bone)

Thigh
Chicken, broilers or fryers, thigh, meat and skin, raw
Refuse: 21% (Bone)

For those of you who can get turkey necks:
Turkey, all classes, neck, meat only, raw
Refuse: 42% (Bone)

All from:
>http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/index.html

Going back to sleep now . . .

Lora
Evanston, IL

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12b. Re: Turkey wing bone ratio
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 4:18 pm ((PDT))

Hi Lora,

Good to see you back!

I'm impressed with this info, but sadly can't use it cause Chris O
said to just
quit thinking so much and feed, hahahaha!

Carol & Charkee (yea, shovel it in)

-- For those of you who can get turkey necks:
Turkey, all classes, neck, meat only, raw
Refuse: 42% (Bone)

All from:
>http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/index.html

Going back to sleep now . . .

Lora
Evanston, IL

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13. Border Collie Mix & Chicken Wings
Posted by: "skiblader2003" skiblader2003@yahoo.com skiblader2003
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 3:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi, I'm new. In my enthusiasm to get started feeding raw, I ran out
and purchased a package of whole chicken wings to feed to my 1 yr
old BC mix. Then as I was reading some of the resources, I read
that they are only appropriate for tiny dogs. He licked on one for
a bit but hasn't tried to eat it (it's back in the freezer after
what I read). I don't think he'd gulp it initially and I intend to
watch him closely. Should I ditch them and go back for breasts or
thighs or is it okay to start him on the wings?

He's about 33 lbs. and I'm doing this for his allergies which have
become a problem in the past few months as well as him having very
soft stools since I got him at 5 mos. and now has developed anal
gland problems.

Also, is bacteria a real concern? Does freezing eliminate this risk
or should I flash boil any raw meat before serving to kill the
bacteria?

Thanks for the help!
Woobie's Mom

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14. Flies!!!
Posted by: "kennramas" jakrr@usa.net kennramas
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

+++++Mod note: welcome newbie, please sign all emails +++++

Newbie here with our first question and the subject says it all...how
do you all deal with your fly issues. We feed on a concrete patio and
clean it off (hose) immeadiately after the dogs are finished. Sure
seems to be a lot of flies still lingering. So we're asking for some
ideas on how to minimize the problem. I realize there is no eliminating
them but reducing their numbers sure would be nice.

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15a. Re: Questions? Pork bones? Coat?
Posted by: "BJ Swansfeger" akei1@netsync.net tseiko1
Date: Sat Aug 4, 2007 6:34 pm ((PDT))

Thanks for all the good feedback. He's had the full thyroid panel.
I'll be trying the suggestions about inc. salmon oil, cutting out some
things (like the supplement) and continuing tweeking. It's all a
process and a good learning one, that's for sure. Appreciate it.
BJ
www.Amaroksiberians.com
Bj ~ Tseiko, Suka, Kaho and Isis

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