[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11873

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Probiotics ???
From: Cynthia Brown
1b. Re: Probiotics ???
From: Sandee Lee

2a. Re: all these problems
From: Laura Atkinson
2b. Re: all these problems
From: cmhausrath
2c. Re: all these problems
From: meg_helmes
2d. Re: all these problems
From: Erica Mills
2e. Re: all these problems
From: jackie
2f. Re: all these problems
From: Yasuko herron
2g. Re: all these problems
From: tottime47
2h. Re: all these problems
From: pet.wellness
2i. Re: all these problems
From: Ross Senger
2j. Re: all these problems
From: Dorianne Almann
2k. Re: all these problems
From: Denise Strother
2l. Re: all these problems
From: Casey Post

3a. Re: Breeding Bitches on Raw
From: Tina Berry
3b. Re: Breeding Bitches on Raw
From: cmhausrath
3c. Re: Breeding Bitches on Raw
From: Sandee Lee

4a. Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedback!
From: Sonja

5a. Re: red vs white vs ground vs whole
From: cmhausrath

6a. Re: mucose in stool
From: k9dine
6b. Re: mucose in stool
From: Yasuko herron

7a. Re: Messy Faces from Food
From: Carol

8a. Starting Golden and English Setter on Elk?
From: blacty
8b. Re: Starting Golden and English Setter on Elk?
From: pet.wellness

9a. Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
From: Cdandp2@aol.com

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1a. Probiotics ???
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:46 am ((PDT))

New and learning here ...

Are probiotics (ever) recommended with the raw food plan?

Thanks!

Cynthia ... Duffy, Sophie, Tinkerbell
Temecula, CA

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1b. Re: Probiotics ???
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 12:59 pm ((PDT))

Only when necessary...such as a dog with serious illness requiring long term
antibiotics, etc.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Cynthia Brown" <temecula_lady@yahoo.com>
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> Are probiotics (ever) recommended with the raw food plan?
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> Thanks!

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2a. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:46 am ((PDT))

Less common than dogs fed kibble, overall.

Mucous stools are the result of intestinal irritation. Dogs shed
regularly. Anytime you switch foods, you run the chance of loose
stools. You may or may not face any of these issues when you switch,
it depends on your dogs.

Keep in mind, people post when they're having problems, for help. You
rarely have people logging in daily to say "great stools, good coat,
everything's great."

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com

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2b. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:25 am ((PDT))

"blacty" <Ty@...> wrote:

> Mucose in stool-looks like starving, hair loss, diarraha! How
> common is all of this. Am I going to have health problems to work
> out in the beginning or are these things just rare??

Two things: first, people do not frequently post to say how well
things are going. They learn what to do, start doing it, and move on
with their lives, continuing to feed their dogs raw and reaping the
enormous health benefits of raw feeding.

Second, your dog is struggling with his diet -- it is negatively
affecting his health -- RIGHT NOW. You just don't see it, so you
don't have to deal with it. Imagine if you were eating nothing but
junk food -- fast food, potato chips, soda, whatever -- and washing
it down with a bottle a day of Pepto Bismol, just to regulate your
system and keep everything down. Would you be healthy? Clearly
not. Would you nonetheless have regular bathroom habits? Most
likely.

Stop feeding kibble. Throw it away -- it is nothing more than junk
food, the dog equivalent of Lucky Charms cereal. Start your dog off
gently with feeding raw, following the advice you've already found
here in reading this list. If you do have any issues, post here and
we'll help.

-- sandy & griffin

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2c. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "meg_helmes" mhelmes@gmail.com meg_helmes
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:28 am ((PDT))

> I am getting a little concerned about all these problems I keep seeing
> in these posts. I am on the verge of converting to raw when I run out
> of the last few feeding of kibble, but at the same time am getting
> concerned about all these health problems people are having with their
> dogs. Mucose in stool-looks like starving, hair loss, diarraha! How
> common is all of this. Am I going to have health problems to work out
> in the beginning or are these things just rare??
>

As a relative newbie, I wanted to chime in here, and add to the great
comments from Sandee. It's true, you tend to hear the problems and not
the successes.

Here is my success story:
My dog started on Raw in June. I read lots of posts, and scanned the
archives. I then did a "cold turkey" (or should I say chicken?) switch
from a "high quality" kibble to chicken leg quarters (I have a 57 lb
pit mix) She did great. No poo problems. No hair loss. No diarrhea.
She will eat her liver fresh or frozen. She loves pork shoulder roasts
(so much that she wants to share them with me on the couch, but has
learned she has to keep it in the kitchen - now she just brings it to
the edge of the tile by the living room, so she can watch TV with the
family while she eats). We intro new proteins slowly, and she eats
them up. Every dog is different - I had friends who struggle to take
their dogs from one kibble to another, you just have to know your dog
(where have I heard that before?)

Be confident that you are making the best choice for your pet. Know
that this list cares about your pet, and wants them to do well with
their new diet, and will help in any way they can. Read posts. Then
read some more. Ask questions. Donate your kibble to a rescue group,
buy some nice meat, and feed your dog. They'll thank you for it.

~Meg (& Ruby)

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2d. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "Erica Mills" millser25@yahoo.com millser25
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:30 am ((PDT))

Hi Ty,
I appreciate your concern. Obviously you care a lot about your pets' health. I think that is why you are seeing all these health concerns on the postings - we're all obsessive about our pets' health. So, we're busy scrutinizing every detail of their behavior, appearance, and poop. I'd guess that your average kibble feeding pet owner doesn't spend the hours a day observing their pet's poop the way we do - and the average kibble feeding pet owner probably doesn't think much of a sudden increase in shedding, or dry flaky skin.
I think once you start feeding raw, you're going to start noticing every detail about your pet's well-being. You'll feel all the more responsible and in control of your pet's health and you'll be as vigilant as we are about keeping track of everything and making sure you're feeding the appropriate rations of meat bones and organs. When you realize how strongly nutrition affects your pet's well being, you'll understand that you have the power to eliminate all of the little health annoyances - and you won't rest until your pet is a specimen of perfect health. :)
So, the issue isn't that raw feeding causes problems, but that people who feed raw are more in tune with the health status of their pets.
Everyone on this list firmly believes that raw is the healthiest way to feed. While we may not always have access to whole organic grass fed large game prey, and we probably don't feed our dogs with the wolf pack (where the alpha decides who eats what part of the carcass), we believe that raw meaty bones is the best alternative we have in our modern domestic world.
Anyway - start the raw feeding. You'll be amazed at how healthy your pets can be! And you'll be so glad you made the leap!
I hope that helps!
Erica

blacty <Ty@wetlandsod.com> wrote: I am getting a little concerned about all these problems I keep seeing
in these posts. I am on the verge of converting to raw when I run out
of the last few feeding of kibble, but at the same time am getting
concerned about all these health problems people are having with their
dogs. Mucose in stool-looks like starving, hair loss, diarraha! How
common is all of this. Am I going to have health problems to work out
in the beginning or are these things just rare??

Ty



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2e. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "jackie" jackiehale1@bellsouth.net jackieoscar2000
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:30 am ((PDT))

I am a lurker here, I dont think I have ever posted, but I switched my
3 big dogs to raw Memorial Day...they have never had a problem, they
love the food and they look great! 2 of them are littermates and weigh
60 pounds and one is at 76 pounds. The littermates get 1/4 lb gound
beef, 1 egg and some fish oil, the 76 lb gets 1/2 lb ground beef, egg
and oil each morning...at night, they all 3 get a chicken quarter..that
is it...I dont switch food, I do add liver in the morning occasionaly.
This diet was recommended to me by an agility friend who has fed this
diet for 7 years without any problems. It is easy and the dogs love it.
I was worried at first, but no longer...hope this helps!

Jackie

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2f. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:46 am ((PDT))

>people post when they're having problems, for help. You rarely have people logging in daily >to say "great stools, good coat,everything's great."

HI,Laura.I agree with you. I think that rawfeeding needs more patient and thoughts for dogs compare to feeding kibble. 'cause by feeding kibble,you scoop up whatever amount required daily to doggy bowl and food is done and most likely,poo is consistent so,no need to worry about diarrhea etc. But rawfeeding,you feed what you choose and you get to see how your dog does and have to adjust accordingly.

And, whether dogs experience such problems or not really depends on how much digestion ability they have and how the food was introduced (amount,timing etc).

I been feeding raw for 12 weeks now and only time I was having trouble with diarrhea/loose poo was when I fed lamb tongue and only 1 time of tilapia which I think it was too soon to feed fish whole as entire meal.

Not all dog goes through all problems that posted here and, it really depends on the dog.

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2g. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:46 am ((PDT))

Hi Ty,

Lets see......my dog had cysts, a new one added every
year ....bladder infection.....infected molars......scaley, greasy
skin, small bones and low weight,otherwise on k***le he was
fine.......perfect stools though, at least I thought so.....

Since starting raw May 10, no new cysts, old ones are almost healed
up, removed the bad teeth, bladder infection is being cured, skin is
clean and no more greasy feel, fur is unbelievable, soft as a mink
coat! Blood panel work up was super for a dog his age!

After a few adjustments with his diet, stools normal/ formed and as a
bonus, he's up and ready to greet the day every morning and when it
comes to mealtime he leaps for joy, lol.........

Oh, and hubby ask, what are you feeding him, he looks like he's been
working out or the vet has him secretly on steriods, hahaha......no
more feminine looks for my little guy......
I wouldn't have believed a male dog could gain muscle/bone weight at
9 yrs old but he has..

Just remember we have over 9,000 members....can you imagine if they
were all having problems?

I think 99 % are problems with newbies as they don't take the time to
read, read, read.............

If you've noticed, it's the same problems over and over...

Will my dog have problems in the future? Probably, as I don't think
raw feeding will take care of all the damage k***le did for 9 yrs...
At least not in a few months....

Do I think I am doing the best by feeding him raw instead of
k***ble? Yes, one look at him tells me I am doing the very best
I can for him........

Is there room for improvement, you bet, always reading and always
learning.........

Carol & Charkee (muscle bound boy)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "blacty" <Ty@...> wrote:
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> I am getting a little concerned about all these problems I keep
seeing
> in these posts.
>
> Ty
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2h. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

Ditto everyone who has said that the minor problems you might
encounter when you switch to raw are nothing compared to the problems
you can get by feeding nothing but grain-based processed meat
byproducts, preservatives and super torched grease.

My dog started with constant diarrhea, plaque covered teeth, patchy
hair loss, drive everyone crazy itchy skin, chronic ear infections,
frequent vomiting. He was very indifferent to food.

He took to raw like ... well... a dog to a bone. Stool was the first
thing that got fixed. Poo patrol is how I know I'm feeding him the
right balance between muscle meat and meaty bones.

Fear of what can happen from "eating bones" and the peace of mind
advertising creates about balanced nutrition (false and misleading),
makes all of us paranoid and obsessive when we switch. Any dog can
experience minor issues; not every dog will.

It can be daunting at first. You could make a mistake. You correct it.

I fed Matisse nothing but chicken for a year before I learned that
chicken could be one of the causes of his allergies, so now I'm
feeding grass fed beef and it's all good.

You read. You some things. You get a little experience. Something
seems unusual. You freak, ask questions, get answers, tweak.

Your dog's energy returns. He loves mealtime. He flashes those pearly
whites. All the digestive and skin issues begin to resolve on their
own. And best of all, you don't have to sweat it the next time there's
a major pet food recall involving 30 brands of so called "premium" dog
food, cause you're in charge of the menu and you know what's in it.

It's a good life.
Pamela

www.pet-wellness-update.com
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "blacty" <Ty@...> wrote:
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> I am getting a little concerned about all these problems I keep seeing
> in these posts. Mucose in stool-looks like starving, hair loss,
diarraha! How > common is all of this. Am I going to have health
problems to work out > in the beginning or are these things just rare??
>
> Ty
>

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2i. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "Ross Senger" rosssenger@shaw.ca rosssenger
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 12:56 pm ((PDT))

> I am getting a little concerned about all these problems I keep seeing
> in these posts.

I was at the off leash park yesterday and kept a watchful eye out for
what other dogs were doing. Allot of dogs pooped 3-4 times in the 30
mins I was there... runny diarrhea, others were dragging there butts on
the ground with obvious anal gland problems, there was a mastiff with
big chunks of hair tore out due to some allergy of skin irritation....
it was amazing... and none of the owners seemed to think there was an
issue!!

If my dogs had any of these issues I would have been really upset and
would have been looking for solutions.

I know raw feeding isn't a cure-all, but the dogs that I know on a prey
model raw diet are much healthier and happier then the ones on kibble.

-Ross S and the two carnivorous Danes

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2j. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "Dorianne Almann" rottienh@hotmail.com rottieruckus
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 12:56 pm ((PDT))

Have to say my experience in switching to raw appears to be fixing
problems, not creating them.

On June 26, our Rottie foster ate his first raw meal. He came into
the Rottie rescue program for which we volunteer in December, becoming
our foster in early Jan. He arrived at our home, looking like a
typical rescue--in rough shape, in other words. Poor coat, goopy
eyes, underweight, ear infections.

Over a six month timeframe, Sailor was fed three different types of
premium kibble and looked awful. When we switched foods, trying to
find a food for him, he'd look good for 2-3 weeks, then he'd seem to
crash. He never put on weight when fed kibble (and he was too thin).
His hair would start to look good, then would start looking deadful
again--sparse, brittle, there was a thinning patch running down his
back from his shoulders to his hips, I could easily pull tufts of his
hair out. Adding digestive enzymes and pancreatic enzymes did
nothing. His stools were terrible--frequent (up to six times/day that
I saw--we have a dog door, so who knows what he was doing when we were
at work), huge piles that were sometimes firm, a few seconds later
were loose cow plops.

I was dismayed and despairing--in 10 years of fostering, we've never
seen anything like Sailor's failure to thrive.

My vet, who say him once every 4-6 weeks, finally told me to put him
on raw.

The difference in the condition of Sailor's coat has been amazing and
astonishing.

He now has a coat. For several weeks now, I haven't seen the grey,
greasy film that was once part of his awful coat. Whereas before I
was embarrassed and mortified to take him in public because he simply
looked so dreadful, showing him off is now a pleasure. I've nicknamed
him "Velveteen Rabbit," a reflection of his astonishing, amazing,
astounding improvement.

I'm waiting to see if Sailor's raw diet will also help curtail his
awful eye booger situation--when he was on kibble, I had to wash his
face at least twice/day with a wet cloth because his eyes crusted up,
if it will help the chronic ear infection he has in his right ear, and
if his nonexistent energy level will improve.

I feel I have alot to learn about feeding raw, but in the case of
Sailor, I've seen astonishing improvement (at least in terms of his
coat). I think part of Sailor's issue is that he's grain intolerant.

I haven't seen anything nearly as spectacular in our two personal
Rotties. But, I really didn't expect to. They've been well cared for
their entire lives and they both are simply healthier dogs than is
Sailor.

--Dori

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "blacty" <Ty@...> wrote:
>
> I am getting a little concerned about all these problems I keep
seeing
> in these posts. I am on the verge of converting to raw when I run
out
> of the last few feeding of kibble, but at the same time am getting
> concerned about all these health problems people are having with
their
> dogs. Mucose in stool-looks like starving, hair loss, diarraha! How
> common is all of this. Am I going to have health problems to work
out
> in the beginning or are these things just rare??
>
> Ty
>

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2k. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 12:57 pm ((PDT))

Hi Ty,
You are seeing the posts of people with problems. You don't see a lot
of posts when everything goes well. I run a dog daycare and do foster
work. I've put many fosters and helped clients switch their dogs to raw
with very few problems and most of them were operator error. More often
than not things progress fairly stress free. Denise

I am getting a little concerned about all these problems I keep seeing
in these posts. I am on the verge of converting to raw when I run out
of the last few feeding of kibble, but at the same time am getting
concerned about all these health problems people are having with their
dogs. Mucose in stool-looks like starving, hair loss, diarraha! How
common is all of this. Am I going to have health problems to work out
in the beginning or are these things just rare??

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2l. Re: all these problems
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 1:33 pm ((PDT))

>I am getting a little concerned about all these problems I keep seeing
> in these posts.

Ty,

I could see where it might alarm you, but keep in mind that most folks come
here for help with issues...and most of those issues are "feeder error" (too
much too soon, feeding big dogs small foods, feeding too much bone, etc.).

Take things slow and steady, listen to the experienced folks, and be willing
to let your dog be your guide and you'll be fine!

Have you been to Kevin's site at www.rawfeddogs.net, yet? If not, go there
and click on "recipes" and you'll get to see real dogs eating real foods -
sometimes it helps to see that others are really doing it, too!

Casey

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3a. Re: Breeding Bitches on Raw
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:46 am ((PDT))

"My reasoning for switching to raw was because I believed it would make my
dogs healthier. I did a great deal of reading and talking to others on raw
before switching my dogs."

You are correct and I researched as well. My 4 yo gsd had a litter at the
age of 2.5 and she did great on raw. Towards the end they crave organs and
reject bones, this is to soften their stools prior to whelping. I did
nothing different on prey mode raw diet for her, no calcium, no clean out
shot, no nothing - all natural and she did great as did the pups.
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Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
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3b. Re: Breeding Bitches on Raw
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:50 am ((PDT))

Boxer Lover <boxer.love@...> wrote:

> When I replied, "I don't feed kibble, I feed raw", she explained
> how their statistics showed the majority of unsuccessful cases
> where Bitches fed raw.

I don't have any advice -- I have only a neutered male dog -- but I
want to point out an important caveat to her "statistics." When
someone says they feed Purina ProPlan, well, that can be categorized
neatly. Purina ProPlan (or whatever) probably means the exact same
formula no matter where you buy it.

Not so with feeding "raw." Sure, there are scads of people who do it
right -- and tons of people on this list successfully breed those
dogs and have done for decades -- but there are also people who do it
poorly. Who approach it half-assed, feed something that satisfies
their human conception of an appropriate diet, something based on
kibble. Who don't research, or don't apply their own brains to what
they research. Who call it "raw feeding" when they puree an enormous
batch of zucchini and spinach, mix it into a bit of ground 97% fat-
free turkey and some boiled white rice, and serve it up.

If her statistics are based on a conglomeration of all raw feeders,
those who do it in a slipshod manner for 3 months and those who do it
well for 30 years -- well, they're not such useful statistics.

Just FWIW.

-- sandy & griffin

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3c. Re: Breeding Bitches on Raw
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:06 am ((PDT))

Stephanie,

Here are a couple of past discussions. Be certain to look at responses from
Carrie and Laura.....

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/111880
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/119004

Sandee & the Dane Gang

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4a. Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedback!
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 10:47 am ((PDT))

Hmmmm...I think I need to expalin a bit more. I'm only strict when needed. :-) If the food accidentally falls off the mat, I put it back (similar to you, Laurie!). When she was first learning, she carried it off one time, and we put it back on the mat. She carried it off again, it got put away. After that, if Kodie intentionally carried it off or repositioned herself so that the meat wasn't on the mat, it got taken away. I had to take it away twice in the beginning but nevermore after that. And she certainly didn't go hungry!

Sonja

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5a. Re: red vs white vs ground vs whole
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:12 am ((PDT))

"lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@...> wrote:

> so what is the best
> ratio of chicken to beef to pork to fish for dogs?

The easy answer: whatever works for you -- for your dogs, for your
budget -- so long as you include some red meat and some edible bone.
No one sort of animal is essential, nor is any particular beasty off-
limits.

Since people like actual examples: on a reasonably tight budget, I
feed whole chickens (or turkeys, whichever's cheaper), beef heart,
and pork anything (generally shoulders and blade roasts), probably in
equal measures. Add to that a dollop here & there of beef or pork
liver and kidney, the occasional serving of lamb or rabbit or
venison, frequent eggs, and the occasional fish, and it's a
reasonable diet that I can manage both mentally and financially.

If I completely had my druthers, I'd feed grass-raised meat
exclusively -- more venison, more beef and bison, more lamb & goat --
and I'd get whole critters to feed through. Oily fish (salmon,
mackeral, sardines) would appear more often (and hey, if I'm in a
fantasy, my dog would actually like them!), and chicken and turkey
would be reduced to bit players.

> and is there any
> organ meat besides liver that is a must do?

Probably not, though some organ variety should make its way into your
dog's diet. I make sure kidney appears with some regularity; I keep
an eye out for other organs (sweetbreads, spleen, fries, brains), but
they're not frequent visitors in my kitchen.

Also, in the realm of kinda-organs, I feed heart as a meatymeat (not
relegated to the minor role of the squishy organs), and frankly don't
know what I'd do without it. Many people feel the same way about
green tripe. (Tongue is also an excellent source of meat.)

> and is ground meat
> acceptable?

"Acceptable" for what? It's not going to do much of anything for
your dog's teeth, that's for sure, and it will never provide a long-
lasting entertaining meal unless you get truly creative with how you
serve it. But I do buy it whenever I come across it cheap, because
it comes in handy: stuffing Kongs (sometimes followed by freezing,
sometimes not); providing a last-minute quick meal for the dog
(usually mixed with a couple eggs) on those rushed evenings;
providing a last-minute quick meal for myself (stirred into spaghetti
sauce) on those same rushed evenings. Anything that's equally easy
to serve to the dog or myself wins points in my house.

-- sandy & griffin

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6a. Re: mucose in stool
Posted by: "k9dine" k9dine@yahoo.com k9dine
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:27 am ((PDT))

I am not an expert, nor do I play one on TV, but I do know that the
digestive system does create mucus to lubricate the bowel. I don't
know if the difference in amounts of mucus is because of what you are
feeding specifically (more bone? less bone? larger meal? smaller
meal?), but I have noticed that sometimes my cats' stools will have
more mucus than at other times for apparently no reason. I figure it
is just the body adjusting itself to whatever it's processing.

But always keep an eye on behavior/appetite/other health issues and see
if you can find a pattern to it. It could just be a regular adjustment
for your dog's body. I take it he isn't straining or having difficulty
when he eliminates? Had he strained the time prior to the mucus-y
stool?

I'm new to raw (5 days!), so maybe long term raw feeders will have more
insight!

Amanda

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> stephany
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6b. Re: mucose in stool
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

>This mucosy stool came after a lamb meal.

Hi,I had same problem when I introduced Lamb to my dog. Especially she was bad on Lamb tongue. When I feed hunk of lamb,her poo get brown solid head with wet end (end about pinky finger),and she was ok with Lamb heart but tongue.. she first got yellowish gooey poo with mucous in it and, one time was watery poo.

So,with suggestion here, I reduced lamb tongue to half amount of waht I fed and,I made combo meal with chicken which she pretty good on and, brought back her poo to shapy and it was still bit softer so, I added some bone like chicken feet/rib etc to meal.
She can digest only 1oz of lamb tongue with another kind of meat she does well on like beef/pork/chicken but more than that,it makes her loose loose poo. So,after feeding combo meal,and brought her poo back to normal,I decided to try lamb sometime later and moved on.

Try combo meal and see how your dog does and if you still had problems,you maybe interested in dosing Slippery Elms to soo the the intestine.Or add more bone(not too much bone though)

In my case,after combo meal,1-2 days after, I saw no mucous in the poo,so,it will go away.

Hope it helps.

yassy

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7a. Re: Messy Faces from Food
Posted by: "Carol" onejoyfulmoose@yahoo.com onejoyfulmoose
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

I'm happy to hear that you like the baby wipes. I always carry a
package in the car for dog shows. Not only will they clean off mud
from feet, but mine too.
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8a. Starting Golden and English Setter on Elk?
Posted by: "blacty" Ty@wetlandsod.com blacty
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 11:47 am ((PDT))

Guys, going to be making the switch on Saturday to Raw from Kibble. I
have about 200lbs of Elk in the freezer that I would like to start
with. Is Elk going to be a good starter meat? Also, it is all frozen
in 1lb packages. What issue will I be up against feeding it frozen. I
was thinking it would be more work for them, clean their teeth better
and be cool treat in this hot weather. am I thinking along the right
lines?
Ty

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8b. Re: Starting Golden and English Setter on Elk?
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 12:58 pm ((PDT))

I take it you've got ground elk in chubs, yes? Personally, if I were
switching, I'd defrost it. It doesn't smell like food when it's
frozen; my dog won't touch it. In fact, he likes it even better when
it's a little "ripe." We have meat defrosting in the fridge 24 hours
before we feed it. Also there are no teeth cleaning benefits I know of
from gnawing on hamburger popcicles. You need meaty bones for that. Or
did I misunderstand your question?
Pamela

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> Guys, going to be making the switch on Saturday to Raw from Kibble. I
> have about 200lbs of Elk in the freezer that I would like to start
> with. Is Elk going to be a good starter meat? Also, it is all frozen
> in 1lb packages. What issue will I be up against feeding it frozen. I
> was thinking it would be more work for them, clean their teeth better
> and be cool treat in this hot weather. am I thinking along the right
> lines?
> Ty
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9a. Effect of Raw Food Eating on Canine Cataracts?
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Thu Aug 2, 2007 12:55 pm ((PDT))

I'm not sure, but it seems to me that Spencer's eyes are a little less
cloudy/milky lately. He's been on raw now for several months. I'm interested in
hearing about this one too.

Carol for Spencer

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