[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11869

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Las Vegas Suppliers and Fish question
From: Boxer Lover
1b. Re: Las Vegas Suppliers and Fish question
From: costrowski75

2a. Re: Anal Blows-definition
From: purvisp

3a. Re: not eating
From: Ivette Casiano
3b. Re: not eating
From: linoleum5017

4a. New Member from Temecula, California
From: Cynthia Brown Duck
4b. Re: New Member from Temecula, California
From: Alison Maffett
4c. Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedback!
From: Cynthia Brown
4d. Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedback!
From: Sonja
4e. where to feed (was Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedbac
From: Laurie Swanson

5a. HELP! Freaking out here with my mini-doxie
From: nahteo1
5b. Re: HELP! Freaking out here with my mini-doxie
From: costrowski75
5c. Re: HELP! Freaking out here with my mini-doxie
From: K Carolyn Ramamurti

6a. Need encouragement
From: Christy Chambers
6b. Re: Need encouragement
From: Sandee Lee

7a. May be dumb math question but...
From: angelsnoopers64859
7b. Re: May be dumb math question but...
From: costrowski75
7c. Re: May be dumb math question but...
From: Tina Berry

8a. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
From: a.flynn@optusnet.com.au

9a. Re: not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
From: pigasus718
9b. Re: not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
From: Cdandp2@aol.com

10a. Gauge
From: frustrated_tracey

11a. raw feeding my cat
From: Jeni
11b. Re: raw feeding my cat
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

12. best raw to start a pup out on
From: Jennifer

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1a. Las Vegas Suppliers and Fish question
Posted by: "Boxer Lover" boxer.love@yahoo.com boxer.love
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 12:31 pm ((PDT))

A friend of mine just moved to Las Vegas. She is having a really hard time finding suppliers. If anyone can help please reply or you may contact me directly.

On another note; I have a question about feeding Talapia. Yesterday was the first time I tried feeding this fish. I have to admit, I took the bones out. The bones felt very sharp!!! Especially right behind the gills. Has anyone fed this fish and are the bones of this fish okay to feed?

Stephanie Melton

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1b. Re: Las Vegas Suppliers and Fish question
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 2:53 pm ((PDT))

Boxer Lover <boxer.love@...> wrote:
>> On another note; I have a question about feeding Talapia. Yesterday
was the first time I tried feeding this fish. I have to admit, I took
the bones out. The bones felt very sharp!!! Especially right behind
the gills. Has anyone fed this fish and are the bones of this fish
okay to feed?
*****
Yes, people do feed it whole, bones and all, with no problems.
However, it does appear that an unseemly number of dogs simply do not
like tilapia, not whole, not in pieces.

Fresh raw fish bones are easily eaten. It is only when the bones are
hardened through cooking or exposure that they become dangerous.
Chris O

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2a. Re: Anal Blows-definition
Posted by: "purvisp" purvisp@yahoo.com purvisp
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 12:31 pm ((PDT))

I had my little terrier mix type doggie's anal glands removed
because they had been infected so much that the hole in the end of
the gland where the gunk is supposed to come out was too small the
stuff just wouldn't come out, and it took the vet to get it out
because the hold was small and it pointed the wrong direction so
that bowel movements would never express the gland.

They were concerned that it would become impacted and become
septic.

In other words, repeated infections had made the anal gland
deformed, useless and an infection waiting to happen.

It was very expensive to have his anal glands removed.

I was not raw feeding him when this occurred.
Patricia

> Her anal gland blows a hole right thru her skin. She licks the
sore...it heals up in a few days. Happens to 2 of my iggies.....I

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3a. Re: not eating
Posted by: "Ivette Casiano" ivettecasiano@yahoo.com ivettecasiano
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 12:31 pm ((PDT))

"If I am offering my dog dinner, or a special treat, and it's
something he's had before and I know he likes, his refusal would
worry me considerably. With my (very food-motivated) dog, the only
reason he might reject food he liked would be that a thunderstorm was
blowing in. (They no longer freak him out as they used to, but he
does still prefer to lie low until they've passed.)"

Excellent reply to the question of how long a dog can go without eating before we start to worry. It is good information that I stored in the back of my mind just in case, for the future.

Thanks, Ivette

Ivette Casiano
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3b. Re: not eating
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:01 pm ((PDT))

Junk food is DESIGNED to smell better, and can even taste better,
especially if it's something 'different,' but is NOT better for them.
Do not doubt your choice to rawfeed, but understand your pets'
confusion, and prevail with what you know is best.

Lynne

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> If they're just holding out for something better, I'm fine with not
giving in. I was just
> worried that they were sick.
> I'm not sure I understand why they would think kibble and canned
food would smell better
> to them . . .
>

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4a. New Member from Temecula, California
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown Duck" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 1:20 pm ((PDT))

Hi Everyone!

I am new to the group, but very happy to be here ... and looking
forward to learning all about raw feeding.

I have 3 dogs that I love dearly, but that are not yet eating a raw
food diet.

Duffy (4 yrs), our rescue "poodle," now 75 lbs. and looks more
like a wolfhound than a poodle!

Sophia Bella (3), our Llasa Apsa / Maltese mix

Tinkerbell (2), our 10 lb. Shih-Tzu -- the leader of our pack (!)

How do I get started? There is a lot of information out there and it
is incredibly overwhelming. Where is the best place to start? I
want to begin implementing this diet as soon as possible, but I want
to know enough about what I am doing so that I stick with it and
don't resort to k***le, out of frustration or a state of overwhelm.

Of course, another one of my very basic questions is how do I switch
my dogs over to this way of eating. They are all, without exception,
ridiculously picky eaters.

My Shih-Tzu was very ill at an early age and we nearly lost her. I
think that her growth / development -- she doesn't have many teeth --
was stunted from all the medication pumped into her during a 9-day
stay as a guest in an incubator in intensive care. Will she be able
to adapt to raw food?

Sorry for the lengthiness of this post. Forgive me, please, since
this is my 1st post and I have a lot to learn.

Thank you!

Cynthia
Temecula, California

I'm looking forward to meeting you and sharing.

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4b. Re: New Member from Temecula, California
Posted by: "Alison Maffett" sweettuth23@yahoo.com sweettuth23
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 2:39 pm ((PDT))

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Welcome to the group! First off when you make the switch throw out the kibble. Dogs don't tolerate kibble and raw together very well.
You will want to feed your dog's 2-3% of their ideal weight. I started off with 2% then increased it. Most people start off feeding chicken. It's cheap and the bones are soft. You can buy a bag of chicken breasts, quarters or whole chickens. At first I used to weigh everything I have one dog who is food aggressive and taking food away from her wasn't fun.Friday will be our one year raw anniversary and I am happy to say I can toss down a pork butt and she will eat until she is full and walks away, she usually eats 2% of her weight. You usually want to fed the same food for 2 weeks then start introducing new foods. Feed them for a week then try something else. Right now my dogs aren't eating as well as they should but I am changing that. I recently bought a freezer so am now able to buy a lot more and am going to join the So Cal Barf co-op. Check out the website at: http://www.socalbarf.com/SoCalBARF/Welcome.html

See if any of the pick-up sites are near
you.
Once you have been feeding for a few months your dogs should be eating a good variety being: pork, beef, turkey, fish, lamb and whatever else you can buy.
After 3 weeks or so you will want to include organ meat such as kidneys and liver that should be 3-5% of their diet.

Your dogs may be resistant to eating the food this is normal, I used to foster dogs and some dogs chowed down right away others it took a couple days to eat, and you must understand if you are offering your dogs food every night and they aren't eating it they aren't going to starve if they are hungry enough they will eat.

How many teeth does your dog have left? I think some people may grind the food for dogs that are missing teeth.

Here's some sites to check out:
http://www.rawlearning.com/
http://www.rawfed.com/
http://www.rawfeddogs.net/

Alison

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From: Cynthia Brown Duck <temecula_lady@yahoo.com>

I have 3 dogs that I love dearly, but that are not yet eating a raw

food diet.

How do I get started?

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4c. Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedback!
Posted by: "Cynthia Brown" temecula_lady@yahoo.com temecula_lady
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 4:45 pm ((PDT))

Alison,

Thanks for being 1st up to point this newbie in the
right direction. I have obviously been over-thinking
this -- it really is as simple as just get the meat /
fish / poultry and give it to the dog ... right?

ANOTHER (dumb) question: WHERE do I feed them?
Currently, they're used to eating in the kitchen. The
2 little ones like to get a mouthful than run over to
the carpet and eat it there. I am quite sure that I
don't want them rolling around the kitchen floor or on
the familyroom carpet with a hunk of beef or a chicken
breast. What do you do? On nice days, there's always
the patio ... but what about inclement days?

Am I overthinking this again?

Thanks also for the So Cal Barf co-op website. I'll
check it out.

Anyway, I have chicken breasts (boneless, because
that's all I have) thawing for them right now.
Tomorrow I'll go shopping to find them chicken wings,
legs, thighs.

Wish us luck!

Cynthia
Temecula, California

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4d. Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedback!
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 4:52 pm ((PDT))

Our dog learned to stay on her "eating mat" in the kitchen in two days flat. When she pushed the meat off the mat or carried it elsewhere, we took it away until the next feeding. Now she makes sure her food stays on the mat!!

Sonja

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4e. where to feed (was Re: Thanks Alison for the welcome and the feedbac
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:01 pm ((PDT))

Towels, blankets, vinyl tablecloths, shower curtains, bath mats, in a
crate, etc.! I taught my dog to keep food on his towel by putting it
back each time he'd take it off and saying something like, "Keep it on
your rug."

Laurie

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>ANOTHER (dumb) question: WHERE do I feed them?

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5a. HELP! Freaking out here with my mini-doxie
Posted by: "nahteo1" nahteo1@yahoo.com nahteo1
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 2:32 pm ((PDT))

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I just fed my 12-wk old doxie raw chicken wings that I chopped in half
(this past week he's been on raw chicken and beef meats only). Well,
he loved it but it went down too quickly I thought. He chewed it and I
heard the bones cracking but it didn't seem he chewed that long and
swallowed them pretty quickly. Now I'm freaking out that his tummy may
get ruptured! Should I be concerned here or as long as it went down
his throat OK he'll be fine??

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5b. Re: HELP! Freaking out here with my mini-doxie
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 3:00 pm ((PDT))

"nahteo1" <nahteo1@...> wrote:
> I just fed my 12-wk old doxie raw chicken wings that I chopped in half
> (this past week he's been on raw chicken and beef meats only). Well,
> he loved it but it went down too quickly I thought. He chewed it and
I
> heard the bones cracking but it didn't seem he chewed that long and
> swallowed them pretty quickly. Now I'm freaking out that his tummy
may
> get ruptured! Should I be concerned here or as long as it went down
> his throat OK he'll be fine??
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I have little doubt that your baby will be anything but fine. Chicken
bones, even wings, are easily digested. Remember, dogs do not chew.
They smash and mash and slime up and swallow. If you want your pup to
take longer on his meaty bones, feed larger meaty bones. Instead of
giving him a half wing, give him the whole thing.

Ideally you would give him more meat on that body part OR extra meat in
the meal; either way though wings are SO not likely to rupture his
belly!

Several chewing/eating posts have through today. I suggest you read
today's messages to see what others have said about dogs and edible
bones and style of eating.
Chris O

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5c. Re: HELP! Freaking out here with my mini-doxie
Posted by: "K Carolyn Ramamurti" lilith23360@yahoo.com lilith23360
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 3:24 pm ((PDT))

I am a relative "newbie" here, but I have two mini-doxies who came home at three months, and I have never fed them anything but raw. Since mine came home at Christmas time, I actually started them on half a turkey! It was MUCH bigger than they were, and they did fine. They walked around it for a little while, and I got to enjoy watching them figure out how to get into it (which they did, after a few minutes!)

I would not worry about your doxie puppy absent some signs of distress. Also, I recommend that you feed larger pieces than wings chopped in half. Your doxie will enjoy figuring out how to eat the larger pieces, the chewing will be great for him or her and s/he will slow down.

Yours,

Carolyn Ramamurti in Seattle

nahteo1 <nahteo1@yahoo.com> wrote:
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I just fed my 12-wk old doxie raw chicken wings that I chopped in half
(this past week he's been on raw chicken and beef meats only). Well,
he loved it but it went down too quickly I thought. He chewed it and I
heard the bones cracking but it didn't seem he chewed that long and
swallowed them pretty quickly. Now I'm freaking out that his tummy may
get ruptured! Should I be concerned here or as long as it went down
his throat OK he'll be fine??

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6a. Need encouragement
Posted by: "Christy Chambers" capturedbychristy@yahoo.com capturedbychristy
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 2:57 pm ((PDT))

I had a 75 lb giant schnauzer that was epileptic. I had to put her down two weeks ago because the seizures had taken over. (2 grand mals a day) I had her on a raw diet because I felt like it was helping with the seizures. I have two mini schnauzers that have been eating raw for about 11 months. My old guy is 15 & thriving, my 5 year old has a terrible dry coat and is itching like a mad man because of some flea saliva allergies. The few flea bites he had have made him go crazy. I'd read in one of my raw books that fleas don't bite much on raw fed dogs but I guess not. He was on Frontline Plus as well. Now that Willow is gone & I don't "have to" feed raw anymore, I'm loosing the will I guess. I'm convinced it's the better thing, but Riley looks awful.
He eats chicken, safflower oil (1 tsp once a day) & a few veggies. My vet is pro raw feeding, but wants him to have grains and more veggies. I'm not sure I agree with it. All I know is when he at Eukan..he looked amazing. Shiney coat, the works. Someone tell me I'm doing the right thing by them and he's still better off. What can I do to get his coat back in shape?
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6b. Re: Need encouragement
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 3:33 pm ((PDT))

Hi Christy,

He doesn't need grains and veggies...he needs meat and lots of it, some
organs, lots of variety, no safflower oil and no veggies. If he's only been
eating chicken for 11 months, I'm sure he has need for fish or salmon oil
also.

Of course they are better off eating raw...this is the only appropriate diet
for a carnivore. But they definitely need more than chicken in order for
the diet to be healthy. I think you will see big changes when you add more
meat and fat, variety, fish oil, and dump the veggies and safflower oil.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Christy Chambers" <capturedbychristy@yahoo.com>

> He eats chicken, safflower oil (1 tsp once a day) & a few veggies. My
vet is pro raw feeding, but wants him to have grains and more veggies. I'm
not sure I agree with it. All I know is when he at Eukan..he looked
amazing. Shiney coat, the works. Someone tell me I'm doing the right thing
by them and he's still better off. What can I do to get his coat back in
shape?

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7a. May be dumb math question but...
Posted by: "angelsnoopers64859" angelsnoopers64859@yahoo.com angelsnoopers64859
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 2:59 pm ((PDT))

I know I am suppose to give my dogs 3% of ideal body weight. Ideal body
weight, I believe, is about 60 lbs for an old english sheepdog. How do
I get that figure? I did 60 divided by 3% and got 1.8. 1.8 lbs per day
doesn't seem right for such big dogs. Is it right? I have been giving
them half a chicken bones and all. My chickens weigh 8-10 lbs. I buy
cornich cross meat chickens. Sometimes they get a whole rabbit although
I am not sure how much they weigh but doesn't seem far from half a
chicken. They get other things too but this should give you an idea.
They eat all their food. Am I doing this right and just my math is
wrong?
Thanks,
Valerie

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7b. Re: May be dumb math question but...
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 3:15 pm ((PDT))

"angelsnoopers64859" <angelsnoopers64859@...> wrote:
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> I know I am suppose to give my dogs 3% of ideal body weight.
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No, not necessarily. If there is any broadly-recommended amount it
is 2%, but reality says that a dog needs what a dog needs, percentage
of body weight be damned. So some dogs "need" 1.5% body weight and
some dogs "need" 4% or even 5%.

The amount you feed is entirely arbitrary, and should always always
be adjusted to suit the dog doing the eating. Percentages are
starting places, that's all.

Ideal body
> weight, I believe, is about 60 lbs for an old english sheepdog. How
do
> I get that figure? I did 60 divided by 3% and got 1.8. 1.8 lbs per
day
> doesn't seem right for such big dogs. Is it right?
*****
Sixty pounds isn't that big a dog and yes, if you want to feed 3%,
that would indeed be 1.8lb daily, or a hair under 29 ounces.

Remember, if you are feeding highly bio-available, easily digested
raw meat, bone, and organ, you are giving him lots more nutritional
bang for your buck. No grains, no veggies, no fiber. It really is
remarkable how efficient real food is.

I have been giving
> them half a chicken bones and all. My chickens weigh 8-10 lbs. I
buy
> cornich cross meat chickens. Sometimes they get a whole rabbit
although
> I am not sure how much they weigh but doesn't seem far from half a
> chicken. They get other things too but this should give you an
idea.
> They eat all their food. Am I doing this right and just my math is
> wrong?
*****
I imagine you are doing it "right" and that your math too
is "right". What you want to do is feed a dog for the dog's sake,
not because the numbers tell you to do this or do that.

If your dogs are maintaining lean, athletic weights, are energetic,
are bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, like their food, sleep well, and
generally think the world is a fine place to be, you are feeding
the "right" amount of food.

Just remember to adjust as needed to keep them in top form.
Fattypants can creep up on you!
Chris O

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7c. Re: May be dumb math question but...
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 3:25 pm ((PDT))

"How do I get that figure? I did 60 divided by 3% and got 1.8. 1.8 lbs per
day"

Yep, 2-3% daily. My 80-95 lbers all get about 1.5 - 2lbs daily each. Also
depends on their exercise level. If mine aren't excercising it's more like
a lb daily; if I swam them everyday they would be getting 2lbs daily.
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Kriegshund German Shepherds
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8a. Re: Raw Feeding in OZ (was: offal variety - how necessary?)
Posted by: "a.flynn@optusnet.com.au" a.flynn@optusnet.com.au flynn_nn
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 3:23 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Judy,

I wanted to try them with my mini foxie pup, but at that price, he can make do with chunks of a normal chicken!!!

Cheers, Ann.

> Bob Allanson <llan@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> As far as I can make out, Cornish hens are pretty much what we can get
> in Adelaide, South Australia, as poussins. Trust me, you don't want to
> feed them to your dog unless you're indecently rich. they sell at
> anything from $6-$10 for a 400g bird!!!
> Best if you want small is a size 9 chichen (900g, 2 lbs) and get a pair
> of poultry shears or a decent knife & quarter or halve it. If you plan
> to feed raw you'll need a good knife anyway.
> Cheers, Judy and Wallace the German Shepherd, who does not get
> poussins!!
>
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9a. Re: not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
Posted by: "pigasus718" pigasus718@yahoo.com pigasus718
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 3:25 pm ((PDT))

"she just holds the whole chunk in her mouth and crunches all the bone
in one section, gnaws off and swallows that section then continues on."

I started my mini schnauzer, George, on raw yesterday.
That is exactly how he is doing it. He isn't eating it quickly, it
takes him a while. LOL,I guess he could have "performance anxiety"
because I've been watching him, which is also something new.
He's had 2 meals yesterday and 1 today. So far so good!
I think dogs have individual dining habits, just like people.
Only it's acceptable to chew with your mouth open if you are a dog!

Robyn

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9b. Re: not ripping or tearing the meat- a problem?
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:01 pm ((PDT))

<<<<Her whole meal is eaten with both legs perpendicular to her body (I
didn't even think dogs could bend like that....). >>>>

LOL....that's my guy as well. I can't believe he can do pretty much a full
frontal split to avoid touching his food. But he seems content so hey....

thanks for posting this for a chuckle

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10a. Gauge
Posted by: "frustrated_tracey" wagc@sasktel.net frustrated_tracey
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 4:44 pm ((PDT))

Well the test results came in and it was not heatstroke like we
thought, it was Parvo. So I'm keeping an eye on my other two, My older
one has had vaccinations all her life so she should be good, the vet
said that the other pup may be immune to it since he had his first and
second shots. Either way I'm watching the other two like a hawk for any
signs.

It doesn't change things but with heatstroke I felt I was responsible,
with Parvo I couldn't really do anything, the vet said it was probably
heatstroke. So I went by what she said.

Tracey

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11a. raw feeding my cat
Posted by: "Jeni" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 4:57 pm ((PDT))

Hello,
My name is Jeni,
I have two Great Danes, siblings, 1 and a half years old, been
rawfeeding them since we brought them home at 11 weeks old, it's been
such a learning experience, they are our first dogs, with the raw diet.
I first tried the Barf diet, then found the prey model diet and was in
heaven and so were they.
We have since acquired my Aunt's Pomchi, when she passed, and she
thinks she is a Rotty, but also have switched her to the raw diet,
with much success.
That is my long little intro of our family, there is also my husband,
John and our cat Lucky, who is living up to his name, lucky we let him
live here.
I have been trying to switch him over to raw with no success, I know
very little about this, and was wondering if there are any books on
the subject matter that someone could refer me too, that would help.??
I don't sit in front of the computer for long lengths of time, so
chats are out of the question, but I am good at printing stuff out and
reading it, so if you have some library stuff I could refer to, I
could do that too. But I couldn't find any when I searched the
Database.
Thanks for the chance to get some info and help for the cat. I know
if I can get him switched, he will be much better off.
Jeni

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11b. Re: raw feeding my cat
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 5:59 pm ((PDT))

this goes to show everyone how tired I am lately, I'm an airhead, I thought I found a new site, forgive me for the cross post:)
jeni

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12. best raw to start a pup out on
Posted by: "Jennifer" cadet972@yahoo.com cadet972
Date: Wed Aug 1, 2007 6:02 pm ((PDT))

my new baby girl aurora been only on diamond naturals, when we pick her
up from the breeders starts a new life for her. What the best type of
raw to start her on, she still very small about 5 maybe 6 lbs this week
so hopefully seven or eight when we pick her up between 9 and 10 weeks.
most of our pack eats turkey, bision bones I ordering the boneless
bision to try, and chicken. oh our alpha likes rabbit and deer.

Jennifer
Free Spirit Kennel of Va.

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