[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11862

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Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Need some help here.
From: cmhausrath
1b. Re: Need some help here.
From: marblekallie

2a. Suggestions, he wont eat raw anymore
From: abooot99
2b. Re: Suggestions, he wont eat raw anymore
From: Chia
2c. Re: Suggestions, he wont eat raw anymore
From: Denise Strother
2d. Re: Suggestions, he wont eat raw anymore
From: Nathalie Poulin
2e. HOW LONG CAN I HOLD OUT NOT FEEDING STUBBORN CAT :(
From: alliecaracleo

3a. Re: next best thing
From: cmhausrath
3b. Re: next best thing
From: Chia
3c. Re: next best thing
From: marblekallie

4. Re: Newbie to puppy rawfeeding, and fat question
From: a.flynn@optusnet.com.au

5a. Re: How much raw food should I be feeding a day?
From: brandy smolen
5b. Re: How much raw food should I be feeding a day?
From: brandy smolen

6a. Feeding and spices
From: Susanne MacLeod
6b. Re: Feeding and spices
From: pet.wellness

7a. Re: Buffalo Heart
From: Morledzep@aol.com

8a. Re: salmon caused illness?
From: lhmcmaken
8b. Re: salmon caused illness?
From: Morledzep@aol.com
8c. Re: salmon caused illness?
From: Sandee Lee
8d. Re: salmon caused illness?
From: costrowski75

9a. Re: offal variety - how necessary?
From: zest_741

10a. Re: Orange Roughly from NZ
From: Morledzep@aol.com

11. Going fishin'...have questions
From: jre_l

12a. Re: A Eureka Moment....Hack Saw Heaven!
From: dancingbarefoot_11

13a. Re: reddness from meat???
From: linoleum5017

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1a. Re: Need some help here.
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:04 pm ((PDT))

"Margaret" <margaret.abate@...> wrote:

> About 3 weeks ago, Kiera just stopped eating her bones, haven't a
clue
> why, her mouth is fine, it's been checked, so i can't understand
it.
> I would be very grateful if anyone has any ideas on this.

Alas, I don't have any ideas, at least not yet, but I do have a lot
of questions. The more information you can provide the list, the
better the answers you'll get. So:

Is she eating the rest of her meals, just leaving the bones?
What does "the rest of her meals" look like?
What exactly are you feeding?
What do you do when she refuses food? (In detail, please.)
Is she losing weight?
How thoroughly was her mouth checked? (Just a visual look-over by
you, or some more intensive inspection?)
What kind of dog is Kiera, and how old is she?

I believe I read an older post with this same question, where you
said that she'd been refusing her bones since you'd returned from a
vacation. My first suspicion -- having a sensitive dog myself --
would be that she was stressed by your absence, then further stressed
when you returned (joy at being reunited may be a happy emotion, but
it's still a stressful one), and that she stopped eating normally in
response to that stress. If you're like many of us, your first
temptation when the dog stops eating is to baby her and try to tempt
her into eating something ... which can spiral into this dog-
manipulating-owner thing. But your answers to the above questions
could confirm or deny my suspicions. At any rate, I suspect we need
more information to be helpful.

-- sandy & griffin, always more questions than answers

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1b. Re: Need some help here.
Posted by: "marblekallie" marble@pipeline.com marblekallie
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:43 pm ((PDT))

Hi:

If there is nothing in her mouth, is there anything going on with her
ears? My dog did the same thing when an ear infection was bothering
her.

Philippa Jordan
New York City

> About 3 weeks ago, Kiera just stopped eating her bones, haven't a
clue
> why, her mouth is fine, it's been checked, so i can't understand it.
> I would be very grateful if anyone has any ideas on this.

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2a. Suggestions, he wont eat raw anymore
Posted by: "abooot99" abooot99@yahoo.com abooot99
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:11 pm ((PDT))

Hi all,
I have been reading all along for the last two months now about the
whole raw diet thing and started two months ago feeding my shephard
1 yr old. At first he was eating every piece of meat I placed in
front of him. Over the last two or so weeks, he seemed to stop
eating as much and he turns his nose up to most of the meats I
offer. He hates pork- He wouldn't even touch it, he loved liver
frozen but he wont eat that now and he did like the gizzards but not
anymore. He did love chicken at one time but even this he seems
reluctant to eat. I feel like I waste more meat than he consumes. I
give him his food outside and since he hasn't eaten it, we now have
a turkey vulcher always circling the property, and he swoops down
and steals his meat now. The only two meats he will eat now is
ground beef- loves it and ground turkey. I tried giving him left
over bravo ground rabbit and he makes the "ew" face at me. He has
been nothing but more and more picky and its driving me crazy.... I
bought sweet bread and he didn't touch it, he used to gobble down
beef heart but he wont touch that now too. I am getting frusterated,
wasting this meat he won't eat. I even tried searing the chicken on
the grill to at least warm it up but he didn't exactly jump at that
either. He has normal activity and doesn't act different besides at
dinner time. Please help.....

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2b. Re: Suggestions, he wont eat raw anymore
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:48 pm ((PDT))

I have been reading all along for the last two months now about the
whole raw diet thing and started two months ago feeding my shephard
1 yr old. At first he was eating every piece of meat I placed in
front of him. Over the last two or so weeks, he seemed to stop
eating as much and he turns his nose up to most of the meats I
offer. He hates pork- He wouldn't even touch it, he loved liver
frozen but he wont eat that now and he did like the gizzards but not
anymore. He did love chicken at one time but even this he seems
reluctant to eat. I feel like I waste more meat than he consumes. I
give him his food outside and since he hasn't eaten it, we now have
a turkey vulcher always circling the property, and he swoops down
and steals his meat now. The only two meats he will eat now is
ground beef- loves it and ground turkey. I tried giving him left
over bravo ground rabbit and he makes the "ew" face at me. He has
been nothing but more and more picky and its driving me crazy.... I
bought sweet bread and he didn't touch it, he used to gobble down
beef heart but he wont touch that now too. I am getting frusterated,
wasting this meat he won't eat. I even tried searing the chicken on
the grill to at least warm it up but he didn't exactly jump at that
either. He has normal activity and doesn't act different besides at
dinner time. Please help.....

### As long as 'health-wise', everything is cool...his mouth and teeth
are fine, then what you have here is a dog playing you like a fiddle.' You
are offering him this, that and everything..teaching him his behaviour is
acceptable. Essentially, rewarding his pickiness....let him go
hungry...don't emotionalise mealtimes...he won't starve to death, trust me.

Of course he eats most ground, he is enjoying how easy a meal it is. NO
work, no fuss...no oral workout, or mental stimulation.

You just have to toughen up further. Set the food out, without any
emotion. Remove after 15 minutes, without a word...not even an exasperated
look on your face. Do NOT offer ONE thing until 24 hours passes and repeat.
Picky eaters are made, not born and a day or two or three, if need be, will
break this habit. It will be harder on you then your dog BUT you MUST do
this for the best interest and health of your dog. If you don't fix this
prima donna habit soon it will only get worse, trust me.

If the same food goes out for three days, it can go back in the fridge for
those three days. There is no waste..I prefer serving 'ripe' meat myself
and it gives it more aroma. ;-))

If outdoors is not working with a vulture overhead, serve inside on tile,
lino or tablecloth..or in the garage. Find a spot where he can feel it is
his area, teach him to remain there and don't let him play you this way any
longer.

Chia & Ricco (who once wouldn't stubbornly eat for 4 days once...)

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2c. Re: Suggestions, he wont eat raw anymore
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:42 pm ((PDT))

You see these posts all of the time. Your dog will eat what you give
him if he has no other options. At my house, I feed 3 dogs, if I
started letting them tell me what they will and won't eat, I can only
imagine the turmoil and upheaval that would cause. So, I keep it
simple. I thaw something out and give it to the dogs. Anyone not
wishing to participate in meal time is allowed to. But, that does not
mean he/she gets something else. It means it gets that meal again
tomorrow. If one of mine refuses something for 2 or 3 days, then I
might consider giving them something else. But, it has been my
experience that few dogs will miss more than a couple of days before
giving in and eating the formally refused food. BTW, I feed dogs from 3
to 45 lbs, no one gets special treatment. Your dog is playing you and
can only be as picky as you let him be. Denise

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2d. Re: Suggestions, he wont eat raw anymore
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:39 pm ((PDT))

Along with the other responses to this, I would say
try feeding real big chunks of meat, no more ground
stuff.
Whole chicken to start with maybe. Someone mentioned
leaving it out for 15 minutes, then put it back in the
fridge.
My dog likes older meat too, so by the 4th or 5th day
(a shoulder lasts her about this long with a
once-a-day-feeding) she chomps right into it.
Don't worry, as long as you stand your ground, your
dog will learn who's boss!

Nathalie

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2e. HOW LONG CAN I HOLD OUT NOT FEEDING STUBBORN CAT :(
Posted by: "alliecaracleo" alliecaracleo@yahoo.com alliecaracleo
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone.
I am reallllllllllllllly getting aggravated. Everything was going good
for my felines with raw for about a month. I still have one that wont
budge and bought evo(no grain) I know I know but it was 24hrs and she
would eat a lick and then not eat again for another 24 hrs. I am
getting close to the middle of the bag and want to have all 3 on raw. I
have tried everything. Now allie 11y is losing weight which is good
from eating raw, but she know the evo is being fed in another room to
caramia so she runs in there and of course i dont allow her to eat.

I feel bad for her cuz I do this to her. So now she is basically
holding out and eating VERY little (less than an ounce a day)

Do cats have to just eat a morsel, so to speak for kidneys not to go
into whatever they do with not eating for 24hrs? or do they have to
eat a substantial amt? PLEASE HELP SOMEONE. I DONT WANT TO GIVE UP BUT
THIS IS TOO MUCH FOR ME WHEN I AM ILL AT TIMES.

Have a good one and thanks to all........
Denise

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3a. Re: next best thing
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:13 pm ((PDT))

Felicia Kost <saphiradane@...> wrote:

> I have a friend that wants to switch his dog to raw. The problem is
> he travels often ;about 2-3 weeks a month with the dog.

I apologize if this sounds snippy, but this is my honest experience
in life: those who really and truly WANT to do something will always
find a way to do it. Likewise, those who do NOT deeply want to do
something -- although they might like the appearance of wanting to do
it -- will always have reasons why they just, goshdarnit, can't do it.

We have a list member -- I'm sorry, I can't recall her name -- who
travels all about North America in an RV with her husband and, if I
recall correctly, four small dogs. They feed raw. Honestly I don't
know exactly what their strategies are, but they do it.

>My question is would it be benefical to feed the dog kibble

No. Kibble is not appropriate food for dogs. I don't care if it's
human-grade fancy-pants $60 a bag kibble -- it's still not species-
appropriate nutrition.

On the other hand!! If you want to rephrase your question -- if your
friend wants to rethink this whole strategy -- I've no doubt we can
be of use. How might your friend travel so extensively WHILE feeding
raw? We are a creative lot, here, and I'm sure there are some
wonderful ideas. (First to my mind: what does your friend himself
eat? And why can't the dog utilize similar food sources? I
sincerely doubt your friend eats nothing but kibble while traveling
for weeks on end!)

But if you're looking for someone to pat you and your friend on the
back and say, there there, you tried, but I guess he can't feed raw --
well, we're not the group to do it.

-- sandy & griffin

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3b. Re: next best thing
Posted by: "Chia" chia.m@shaw.ca cia22m
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:36 pm ((PDT))

But if you're looking for someone to pat you and your friend on the
back and say, there there, you tried, but I guess he can't feed raw --
well, we're not the group to do it.

### if this man TRULY loves his dog, he would make any and all effort to
care for him properly. If not, if it is too much effort, then he doesn't
deserve such a wonderful animal as a pet.

It's a no brainer. Do the right thing ...plan ahead so you know what the
meal plan is...make the effort. Get a cooler...buy ice along the way...'tis
not rocket science.. He owes his dog the best life possible and should step
up to the plate for the responsibility he has taken on.

Chia & Ricco

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3c. Re: next best thing
Posted by: "marblekallie" marble@pipeline.com marblekallie
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:42 pm ((PDT))

Hi:

I just took all my dogs to Europe. I took some emergency supplies
just in case it would be difficult to get to a supermarket or a
butcher. I took a dehydrated food that was made from all meat
product -- Stella & Chewy's. I used it just on the day I arrived. It
was too late and too wet to find fresh supplies in a strange place.
The rest of the time it was no problem whereever I went. Fresh meat
can be found everywhere -- easier than dog food.

Philippa Jordan
New York City

>I have a friend that wants to switch his dog to raw. The problem is
he travels often ;about 2-3 weeks a month with the dog. So far we
haven't come up with any way of taking along enough raw food for that
long of a period.

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4. Re: Newbie to puppy rawfeeding, and fat question
Posted by: "a.flynn@optusnet.com.au" a.flynn@optusnet.com.au flynn_nn
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:42 pm ((PDT))

Hi Giselle,

Thanks for your reply. That is exactly I have felt....like he is going to STARVE and not grow properly! I have always had large dogs. This is what i said about feeding my mini foxie pup in my original post:

"He weighs about 5lbs and I am feeding him 4 times a day. So far he is getting chicken wings,
lamb chop with a long bone in for him to chew, turkey necks, which he pulls the meat off and beef pieces to make up more meat because of the bony wings, and some chicken liver and
kidney. I have never had a small breed before, nor ever fed a pup raw. He seems to eat a lot
some days and the next morning sometimes will not eat... he will go out and eat grass and
vomit it up with no food coming up (because he hasn't eaten). Then by mid morning or
lunchtime he will eat a meal as normal. Does this mean I have given him too much the evening
before (sometimes he seems very much to be looking for more, so i give him more at those
times)...is this sort of pattern normal? I suspect so but would like some feedback please."

Now when I say he gets chicken wings, he might eat a third of a wing at a meal, half a small lamb chop, or a few inches of a turkey neck as a meal. He will also eats through most of a meaty lamb rib for a meal. He has been offered small, whole fish but wouldn't touch it, but ate some pieces I cut off it. He has beef, lamb or chicken pieces for one meal. I have started to give him a chicken thigh instead of wing as it is meatier.

Of course you are so right that I am just not used to the TINY amounts that tiny dogs eat!! So maybe I have just been expecting him to eat more than he needs. But I was worried about his pattern of going off his food, because I thought it might affect his growth. I did try smearing his chicken with tuna oil yesterday afternoon when he hadn't eaten all day, and he ate his food straight away. But I wondered would he then never eat without me having to make the extra fuss of doing that. But he ate his chicken from the same bird straight up this morning with no fuss at all.

You asked whether I am giving big chunks for him to wrestle with. I wish!!! What I am finding is that he seems completely daunted by big chunks of anything. e.g. I find if I give the chicken thigh (and I mean a rear chicken quarter, without the drumstick) whole, he will look at it and walk away, but if I cut that in half he will put in the effort to eat it. I feel that he is a bit of a lazy eater and I do feel that he is training me to fuss over him, and I so like a dog that just eats!! What size chunks should he be able to handle at his size and age?

Also the thigh pieces, and lamb chops have quite big fatty bits on them. How much fat is too much. I have read that too much fat can cause pancreas problems....is this true?

Thanks, Ann.

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5a. Re: How much raw food should I be feeding a day?
Posted by: "brandy smolen" msbrsmolen@yahoo.com msbrsmolen
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:42 pm ((PDT))

Catherine -
Thank you - this is the answer that I have been
waiting for to my question. I have read a few anwsers
that have all been helpful but this one is exactly
what I was looking for - so thank you again!
Brandy
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> In a message dated 7/27/2007 9:14:57 PM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> msbrsmolen@yahoo.com writes:
>
> Can someone please give me some examples of what and
> HOW MUCH raw food I
> should be giving my 12 week old american bulldog?
> She a fast growing large breed
> and I don't want her to go to fast but I think I'm
> starving her right now.
>
>
>
> Brandy,
>
> you expect your baby girl to be about 70ish lbs as
> an adult? maybe 80?
>
> so take 80 lbs and figure 3% of 80 lbs = the
> approximate amount she should be
> fed per day.. divided into 2 or 3 meals per day till
> she's around 10 months -
> 1 year.
>
> Catherine R.
>
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5b. Re: How much raw food should I be feeding a day?
Posted by: "brandy smolen" msbrsmolen@yahoo.com msbrsmolen
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:57 pm ((PDT))

Thanks for the links - it sounds so simple - I love it
and I know she will too!
Brandy

--- Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote:

> Brandy,
>
> Feed her lots and lots of meat, a little bone and
> some organs. Here are a
> few recent puppy feeding messages.....
>
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/135757
>
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/135847
>
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/137170
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> No kibble, OK???????
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "brandy smolen" <msbrsmolen@yahoo.com>
>
>
> > Can someone please give me some examples of what
> and HOW MUCH raw food I
> should be giving my 12 week old american bulldog?
> She a fast growing large
> breed and I don't want her to go to fast but I think
> I'm starving her right
> now.
> > And if anyone has a good book to recommend that
> would be great too. At
> this point I am getting so frusterated that I am
> tempted to feed her kibble
> until I know more about this diet and the guidlines
> how to feed her.
>
>

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6a. Feeding and spices
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:42 pm ((PDT))

You guys are gonna think I'm nuts, but I live alone and LOVE a great
ribeye. It's always way way too big. On the weekend I bought a piece
of wild coho salmon. So I spice it up - to my liking - a little garlic
power, salt, pepper, some worchestire, and maybe a bit of mustard
powder. Then I toss it on the BBQ. Now I enjoy my steak rare to med
rare. Anyhow, I always have at least half of it left, and I'm not a
big leftover fan. So I wash of the spices and give it to the kids.
This happens maybe once every 10 days or so. I kinda like having
dinner with my guys. At $16.99/lb, I hope they like it too.
Is there any harm in this - other then the furkids, stealing my credit
card and calling the local butcher for delivery? LOL Just kidding. I
know my kids are spoiled, but I couldn't give a damn.
Suz Kate and Joey

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6b. Re: Feeding and spices
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:09 pm ((PDT))

Spices aren't part of a wolf diet, but I doubt that it causes a
problem if they eat it - and like it - occasionally. I'd be more
concerned about cooked bones. Pamela

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> You guys are gonna think I'm nuts, but I live alone and LOVE a great
> ribeye. It's always way way too big. On the weekend I bought a piece
> of wild coho salmon. So I spice it up - to my liking - a little garlic
> power, salt, pepper, some worchestire, and maybe a bit of mustard

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7a. Re: Buffalo Heart
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:43 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 7/30/2007 4:42:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
onejoyfulmoose@yahoo.com writes:

At 99 cents/lb it isn't costly for me to obtain. And, they're close
to where my Aunt lives so even if they didn't ship I can stock up
when I go in that direction.

Carol,

$.99 lb is a great price for pork or beef muscle meat. i wouldn't pay that
for buffalo heart when i can get beef heart for $.59 lb or less.. it looks
exactly the same to me and the dogs seem to like the beef heart better anyway.

Catherine R.

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8a. Re: salmon caused illness?
Posted by: "lhmcmaken" lhmcmaken@yahoo.com lhmcmaken
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:57 pm ((PDT))

how do you make sure the salmon is safe to feed? My husband is able
to catch salmon in pudget sound and I want to feed the fish to my
newly raw danes. thanks.
take care
lynda

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8b. Re: salmon caused illness?
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:21 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 7/30/2007 3:58:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,
lhmcmaken@yahoo.com writes:

how do you make sure the salmon is safe to feed? My husband is able
to catch salmon in pudget sound and I want to feed the fish to my
newly raw danes. thanks.

Lynda,

Freeze it solid.. some say a few days is enough, i would feel better about
more than a week.. even two weeks or a month would make me happier.

and it just makes my day that you can catch salmon in puget sound.. there is
a significant chance that i could be moving up there in the very near future.

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8c. Re: salmon caused illness?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:30 pm ((PDT))

Here ya go, Lynda!

http://www.ocean.udel.edu/MAS/seafood/raw.html
It's important to remember that adequate freezing and/or cooking
eliminates infection by the parasites. In commercial freezing, a
temperature of -40 °F kills any parasite in 15 hours. In a home
freezer, at 0° to 10°F, it can take up to five days to kill all the
parasites, especially in large fish.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@yahoo.com>

how do you make sure the salmon is safe to feed? My husband is able
to catch salmon in pudget sound and I want to feed the fish to my
newly raw danes.

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8d. Re: salmon caused illness?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:28 pm ((PDT))

"lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@...> wrote:
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> how do you make sure the salmon is safe to feed? My husband is able
> to catch salmon in pudget sound and I want to feed the fish to my
> newly raw danes.
*****
You freeze it. Solid. After the fish is totally froze through, leave
it in the freezer for a week or two, depending on the capabilities of
your freezer. If you have a really iffy freezer, leave the fish in
there for a month.

If you cannot get comfortable with frozen PNW salmon, don't feed it to
you Danes, cook it for yourselves. It's a fine thing--wild salmon--but
it shouldn't oughta make you crazy. It's not worth it.
Chris O

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9a. Re: offal variety - how necessary?
Posted by: "zest_741" zest_741@yahoo.com.au zest_741
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:09 pm ((PDT))

Thanks for the advice everyone, sounds like I am worrying a bit too
much.

There aren't any co-ops around here or much variety on-line - I'm in
Oz so not quite the same 'critical mass' of raw feeders to support
that yet it seems.

One response said advice is worth what you pay for it - I'm not
quite of that view, I'll listen to the well-informed enthusiast
everytime! (and then make up my own mind, of course:))

Thanks
Kerry

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10a. Re: Orange Roughly from NZ
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:12 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 7/30/2007 7:25:28 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com writes:

Anyone has fed Orange Roughly before?

Yassy,

here Orange Roughy is a high priced fish.. i order it once inawhile at a
restaurant, but i don't buy it for the dogs, it's far too expensive to be wolf
chow (keep in mind that i have 9 LARGE dogs).

Catherine R.

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11. Going fishin'...have questions
Posted by: "jre_l" kcjre@comcast.net jre_l
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:29 pm ((PDT))

I'm visiting the folks in the Ozarks and we are heading out
fishing. I wanted to get some comments/suggestions on the following:

blue gill (have about 3 dozen so far)
trout (mostly rainbow)
crawdads (about 2-3 inch long)
bass (heads and guts only)
catfish

Any reason NOT to feed any of the above? Also, can I leave the fins
on? I assume so as Kaiya has had whole mackeral, flounder and
tilapia (all store bought) with no problem. I assume I take the
catfish fins off...can I just cut them off or is there like a pocket
of poison I have to look for?

Crawdads...I think they may be in their soft shell stage right now,
but either way what about the claws?

How long to freeze before feeding?

Sorry so many questions, I just don't want to mess up a great thing
(raw feeding!) when it has gone SO well!

Carrie

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12a. Re: A Eureka Moment....Hack Saw Heaven!
Posted by: "dancingbarefoot_11" dancingbarefoot_11@yahoo.com dancingbarefoot_11
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:31 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Denise <DeniseAndZac@...> wrote:
" my dogger prefers his food frozen too. Why is THAT? The distant DNA
> relative wolves certainly didn't eat frozen food."

Silly Human, what happens in winter? Wolves up here (Northern
Wisconsin)eat frozen meat. I have even seen them eat silage, the cow's
sweet feed and poop from deer, cows and horses too

Kris

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13a. Re: reddness from meat???
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:33 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Ivette Casiano <ivettecasiano@...>
wrote:
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> I'm a newbie, have been feeding my 7 yr. yellow lab raw ...is it
possible for his fur around his elbows and paws to get orange due to
feeding red meats?
> Ivette

Just an odd thought that your grass might have 'red thread' mildew?
It causes a 'rusty' looking fungus to grow, making the grass look
orange. If a dog were to lie in it, it might get orange elbows...?????

Linoleum

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