[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11855

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Rabbit makes dark brown poo?
From: Yasuko herron
1b. Re: Rabbit makes dark brown poo?
From: cmhausrath

2.1. Re: ground meat
From: Cheryl
2.2. Re: ground meat
From: Giselle

3.1. Re: Constipation
From: Cheryl
3.2. Re: Constipation
From: Cheryl
3.3. Re: Constipation
From: Giselle

4a. Re: Windfall
From: Cheryl
4b. Re: Windfall
From: cmhausrath

5a. Re: older dog
From: Cheryl
5b. Re: older dog
From: kaleygraham

6a. Upset Stomach
From: michelleraia1
6b. Re: Upset Stomach
From: John and Jeni Blackmon

7a. Re: question for Bill Carnes/ how meaty are chicken backs?
From: Stephanie Cassin

8a. Re: Switching new foster to raw
From: temy1102

9a. I have a problem.
From: Margaret
9b. Re: I have a problem.
From: tottime47

10a. Newbie to puppy rawfeeding question
From: a.flynn@optusnet.com.au
10b. Re: Newbie to puppy rawfeeding question
From: pet.wellness

11a. losing hair
From: scarebetty
11b. Re: losing hair
From: Giselle
11c. Re: losing hair
From: pet.wellness

12a. Re: fresh meat
From: costrowski75

13. Swordfish and Haddock
From: chele519

14. Not eating raw...
From: Jamie Dolan

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1a. Re: Rabbit makes dark brown poo?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:26 pm ((PDT))

>This is about exactly how Griffin feels about rabbit: he eats it all, but he doesn't much jump >for joy.

Hi,Sandy. I hear/read a lot that dog not thrilled about Ostrich/Emu/Rabbit.Well,some may love these but not all dogs do. So,I was wondering how she does with rabbit but, she eats but not thrilled.. Still better because she is not refusing what I gave to her.

She deserve chicken feet crunchy desert:-P

Is Rabbit still in Griffin's menu? I mean, seeing her not thrilled,my husband mentioned to me maybe rabbit should be pulled from menu since she is not thrilled. Waht do you think?

> I've found that only poultry -- only eating birds -- makes Griff have light poop.

Really? Palette does light brown poo after pork too. Brown is lamb,Beef,Buffalo. Others except rabbit seemed to be light one. It depends on dog too then?

> You haven't been developing an obsession about poop-watching while I've been >underground this summer, have you??

Well, it is so wiered. When she goes poo,I am kind of looking ground where she try to poo on till it drops:-P Neighbor may think I am wierdo.

But really,poo is good indication for me for now because I am still newbie category so,I tend to pay attention to poo. As long as not uncontrollerable,I be relaxed and just add bone more and fix the problems.

I think I am more relaxed than before though. I am not scared feeding rib bones or other bones.I now know that she can handle bones than I think she would. Really cannot underestimate the little jaw power.

-->sandy & griffin, not far away & wondering where you're getting affordable bison ...

Well,I tried to get buffalo from pepspoultry in PA,but I have problems with them.He is not responding to me 1 month now.He has pending order with buffalo like buffalo heart from me but since i cannot rely on it,I bought almost same thing that I ordered him from WI.

I recommend this place for all interested in buaffalo meat.Their meat is grassfed and no antibiotic or hormon given and they carry poultry the same condition and they have ostrich as well if you like.

I got short rib for me and dog and it had 2 inch thick meaty meat on it and while it is a RIB it was good meal for palette. It is not back rib they carry so,it is not loong slab of rib though.

I also got rib eye buffalo steak from them too just to cook for wed anniversary.It was soo juicy,tender and I loved it.

I got smoked Buffalo ham to treat ourselves too and it was so good too.

They carry Heart,liver,kidney,and some other organ too.You can chose fresh or frozen.

As for price,maybe bit pricy side but among grassfed meat suppliers,probably I think affordable category. And their shipping fee is awesome. Under 15lb 20 dollars over night delivery and above 15lb,15 dollars over night delivery..To VA, they use DHL.

The price for meat itself is not 1 dollar a pound base but I love their meat and shipping fee so,I tend to order them.

If you are interested,look up www.northbisonstar.com

Sorrounding states of WI has 15 dollars by ground I thought.

yassy

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1b. Re: Rabbit makes dark brown poo?
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:36 pm ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:

> Is Rabbit still in Griffin's menu? I mean, seeing her not
thrilled,my husband mentioned to me maybe rabbit should be pulled
from menu since she is not thrilled. Waht do you think?

It doesn't play a starring role, but every now & again I'll either
pick some up at the asian market or order some from Hare Today. When
it's on the menu, Griff eats it, but it's hardly worth the effort it
costs. Still, I like to offer whatever variety I can, and doggonit,
he likes to CHASE rabbits -- seems to me he ought to like EATING
them. So I continue to kinda romanticize rabbit, and keep it
somewhere in the rotation. As Chris O would probably point out, it's
pretty clearly about what I want, not what he wants, but hey, it
doesn't hurt him. =)

> Well, it is so wiered. When she goes poo,I am kind of looking
ground where she try to poo on till it drops:-P Neighbor may think I
am wierdo.

LOL -- okay, see, I'm a poop-watcher cuz I have to be. I've gotta
pick the stuff up or risk getting fined by my apartment complex or by
the city, so I can't really help knowing what it looks like.

If you're a wierdo for it, I'm sure a lot of us are.

> But really,poo is good indication for me for now because I am
still newbie category so,I tend to pay attention to poo. As long as
not uncontrollerable,I be relaxed and just add bone more and fix the
problems.

Well, just bear in mind that as long as Palette's poo isn't
uncontrollable, there *aren't* any problems to fix. Variety in =
variety out ... expecting to see the same kind of stools all the time
is a holdover from feeding ki**le.

> I recommend this place for all interested in buaffalo meat....
> If you are interested,look up www.northbisonstar.com

I think you mean www.northstarbison.com instead? Ouch, definitely
out of my price range though -- Griffin wishes he could come live
with you. Bison is definitely on his top-3 favorite foods of all
time list. If ever I start makin' the big bucks, I might have to
figure out how to buy a half bison or something ...

-- sandy & griffin, envious

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2.1. Re: ground meat
Posted by: "Cheryl" parkbunny@verizon.net vessels13
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:27 pm ((PDT))

I don't have a meat grinder. Can you grind meat in a food processor? if
so.. what brand.... also, I can't afford a higher end grinder at the
moment, will it still be okay if I buy some ground chicken to go with
the chicken parts? I have to purchase a shaver to groom my dog so I have
some other thing already lined up to purchase and a grinder is not on
the list, yet. Cheryl

Yasuko herron wrote:
>> 2) ground meat has more bacteria than whole or meats cut into large portions
>>
>
> Hi, this is just a thought but, I remember you told me that you give slippery elm with ground meat namely ground chicken.I too do not like pre-made thing because I cannot figure out waht it is in the stuff and no control over the ingredients.
>
> That being said, If you buy/use, say, chicken breast and mince it with food processor to make meatball to mix in Slippery elm,then, it is better than
>

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2.2. Re: ground meat
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:18 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Cheryl!
Me, again!
Didn't mean to confuse you. You DON'T need to grind your dogs meat OR
bones. Big hunks of meat with bone is what you need!

Yassy was, I believe, mentioning another post where we were discussing
ways to get doses of Slippery Elm Bark Powder into a dog who has
diarrhea, and whom you may be fasting. I suggested mixing it with a
bit of ground chicken. You could always just mince up some chicken you
already had on hand. Or borrow Yassy's food processor. ; )

Ground is not an absolute no-no, but I don't recommend it to newbies,
as their dogs NEED the activity and dental hygiene that
chewing/crunching big parts provide. After you've gotten over your
"newbieness", you can do as some of us do; if ground is on sale, and
it would be criminal to pass it up, you buy it. Then you add it to a
bony part you wouldn't feed without more meat.

We DO try to make our explanations simpler and more clear cut for
newbies, to lessen confusion.

Go forth, buy whole chickens at the grocery store. Cut each one into 4
pieces. Feed one quarter at each meal. If your dog doesn't finish it,
take it up when he stops eating, and put it in the fridge until the
next mealtime. If he doesn't eat then, don't panic. ; ) He's either
full from the previous meal, or tired, or both. : )

Keep offering meals of chicken for a week or more. Toss in the
gizzards and hearts that come with the whole chicken when you feed, or
save them for special treats. Add in a bit (pinky fingernail sized )
of the liver to a meal once a day.

Did I forget anything? Yeah, more than one thing; read the label on
the chicken to be sure it isn't enhanced or injected with salt or
flavored/seasoned solutions. This can cause *some* dogs to itch or vomit.

Oh, and you dog may get loose stools, from the change to raw, until
his digestive system acclimates. Just let us know, we'll talk you
through it. : )

Once the kibble/pre-made processes through your dog's system, he will
poop less often, and it will be much smaller and firmer than on
kibble. This is normal, too.

He will most probably drink less water, too. Meat has a pretty good
content of liquid, so he'll be getting more water when he eats than
with kibble. Kibble is so very dry, with so many additives, that dog's
that eat it are unnaturally thirsty, and drink lots more, to be able
to digest it.

Ask lots of Qs, Cheryl! We'll answer them! Or tell us your worries or
problems, we'll help you figure out whats wrong.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I don't have a meat grinder. Can you grind meat in a food processor? if
> so.. what brand.... also, I can't afford a higher end grinder at the
> moment, will it still be okay if I buy some ground chicken to go with
> the chicken parts? I have to purchase a shaver to groom my dog so I
have
> some other thing already lined up to purchase and a grinder is not on
> the list, yet. Cheryl
>
>
>
>
> Yasuko herron wrote:
> >> 2) ground meat has more bacteria than whole or meats cut into
large portions
> >>
> >
> > Hi, this is just a thought but, I remember you told me that you
give slippery elm with ground meat namely ground chicken.I too do not
like pre-made thing because I cannot figure out waht it is in the
stuff and no control over the ingredients.
> >
> > That being said, If you buy/use, say, chicken breast and mince
it with food processor to make meatball to mix in Slippery elm,then,
it is better than

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3.1. Re: Constipation
Posted by: "Cheryl" parkbunny@verizon.net vessels13
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:27 pm ((PDT))

you all are good. you know what baffles me is how come I believe what
you are saying. I don't even know you but it makes sense. If this makes
sense to me, why don't more pet owners give it look instead of all the
hoopla about bacteria?? why don't they even consider more of what the
process is to feeding raw? I think they actually have to see a raw fed
dog next to a kibble dog to show, hey.. it works and no Trojan does not
want to eat you either. :) Cheryl

Morledzep@aol.com wrote:
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> In a message dated 7/27/2007 10:33:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> parkbunny@verizon.net writes:
>
> apples,
> carrots butternut squash, Ground flaxseed, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Dried
> kelp, Apple cider vinegar, Parsley, honey,olive oil, blueberries, alfalfa
> sprouts, persimmons, Rosemary, sage and clove. if it didn't have
> the veggies would it meet your raw standards?
>
>
>

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3.2. Re: Constipation
Posted by: "Cheryl" parkbunny@verizon.net vessels13
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:29 pm ((PDT))

Giselle,
Your response took a lot of time and effort and now I see. You explained
why the vegetables aren't needed. now I see. You explained I don't know
the meat to bone ratio. that's awesome. You helped me a lot. This
response I will have to print out. thank you. I did not know there was
an order as to how to proceed either. I was just seeing meat. Now, I
took up the piece of beef bone I had there and took out a chicken
breast, until I get to the store, If I go out at all today. but thank
you again. Great answer.
Cheryl

Giselle wrote:
> Hi, Cheryl!
> Pre made anything is too expensive and always takes away
> your control of exactly what to feed and in what proportion.
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3.3. Re: Constipation
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:53 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Cheryl!
YVW, and thanks for the compliment. I can be long winded
and rambly, but with a bit of nudging, I can construct complete
sentences and paragraphs! ; )

Its why I am on this list. It helps me to help others. Everyone who
comes to this list wants to learn more, sometimes they don't know just
how much more they need to learn. : )

I don't push raw in F2F conversations, but if it comes up, I mention
thats what I feed. Those who are ready to consider feeding their dogs
the natural "outside the box" way, will come back to me and ask more Qs.

Sometimes its hard not to give TMI to a newbie asking one specific Q.
So, we try to keep it short and concise, and expand on the info we
give when more Qs are asked. Its not that we are being difficult, or
withholding info, we are just trying not to overwhelm with TMI!
TC and keep us posted on your progress!

Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Giselle,
> Your response took a lot of time and effort and now I see. You
explained
> why the vegetables aren't needed. now I see. You explained I don't
know
> the meat to bone ratio. that's awesome. You helped me a lot. This
> response I will have to print out. thank you. I did not know there was
> an order as to how to proceed either. I was just seeing meat. Now, I
> took up the piece of beef bone I had there and took out a chicken
> breast, until I get to the store, If I go out at all today. but thank
> you again. Great answer.
> Cheryl
>
>
>
>
> Giselle wrote:
> > Hi, Cheryl!
> > Pre made anything is too expensive and always takes away
> > your control of exactly what to feed and in what proportion.

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4a. Re: Windfall
Posted by: "Cheryl" parkbunny@verizon.net vessels13
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:30 pm ((PDT))

now that's gross. seeing something eaten live. wow...
Cheryl

chele519 wrote:
> she was eating the belly and the little pigs feet were hanging out of
> the side of her mouth and twitching with every bite.
> Michele
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "linoleum5017" <linoleum5017@...>
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4b. Re: Windfall
Posted by: "cmhausrath" cmhausrath@yahoo.com cmhausrath
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:52 pm ((PDT))

Cheryl <parkbunny@...> wrote:

> now that's gross. seeing something eaten live. wow...

Erg, no, unless I'm the one who's misunderstanding here -- I believe
the piglets had been crushed by the sow, which was why they were dead,
which was why they were sold (or given?) to a raw feeder. So any
appearance that they were twitching around was just because the dog was
moving them while eating.

Occasionally people have come on the list and intimated that they'd
like to feed live -- those people, or at least that idea, is always
quickly shut down. Cruelty is not part of raw feeding.

-- sandy & griffin

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5a. Re: older dog
Posted by: "Cheryl" parkbunny@verizon.net vessels13
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:06 pm ((PDT))

Kathy,
You were right on on your answer. I now understand. I was blind but now
I see. I guess I'm suppose to understand this and I don't believe you
all are trying to sell me a bag of goods. You at least have explanations
as to the why of it all.
Cheryl

katkellm wrote:
> so why all the hoopla about vegetables being in kibble?
>
> Hi Cheryl,
> If you are asking about why pet food makers make a big deal about the
> fact that their pet food has veggies in it and claim that it is
> healthy, it is because they are trying to advertise and sell a
> product. Their claims are based on sales not nutrition. People see
>
>

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5b. Re: older dog
Posted by: "kaleygraham" lisaagraham@gmail.com kaleygraham
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:06 pm ((PDT))

>I am going to admit that I feed a small amount of fruit/veggies to my dog with his raw meat
>diet. I feed it for the antioxidants. I don't think wolves in the wild were dealing with so
>many free radicals.

Ok guys – here's my veggie comment: considering all of the time that some people ponder
over how much veggie or fruit to add to a carnivore's diet, I wonder how much time a rancher
ponders over how much meat to feed his cow?

Just a thought...

Lisa, Sophie and Riley

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6a. Upset Stomach
Posted by: "michelleraia1" michelleraia1@yahoo.com michelleraia1
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:16 pm ((PDT))

My dog vomitted a couple of times this morning. Is there anything I
can give him to help settle his stomach...He seems fine otherwise..
thanks
michelle

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6b. Re: Upset Stomach
Posted by: "John and Jeni Blackmon" jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net jeniavidiva
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:41 pm ((PDT))

Be more specific, did he eat it up again after the vomit? Is his activity level the same or less? What have you been feeding? How long on the raw diet, and is it prey model type? What kind of dog, how old, any other health issues in the mix?
Yes, I need to know, curiosity is a big thing with me? I was a cat in a different life, give us more info and we can give you some info back:)
Jeni

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From: michelleraia1 <michelleraia1@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:31:51 PM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Upset Stomach

My dog vomitted a couple of times this morning. Is there anything I
can give him to help settle his stomach...He seems fine otherwise..
thanks
michelle

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7a. Re: question for Bill Carnes/ how meaty are chicken backs?
Posted by: "Stephanie Cassin" mamacass@iprimus.com.au quiltingtuppy
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:42 pm ((PDT))

Thank you Bill! Now I'll get started and let you know how I go it's
good to have a menu plan and the extra bone makes sense.

Regards
Stephanie in Australia

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8a. Re: Switching new foster to raw
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:43 pm ((PDT))

congrats on your new foster! i am no expert, but i just recently
switched 2 of my own foster puppies to raw, and i did exactly what you
are saying. fasted for the day they arrived, and the next day, they
joined the rest of the gang in the fun of raw feeding. since it's
recommended when switching any dog to raw to go cold turkey, i figured
it still applied to fosters and rescues.

as far as contagious diseases go, i was concerned about that also, but
the pups looked healthy, they were cleared by the vet as far as
general health, and i KNOW my own dogs are quite healthy and sturdy,
so i risked it. no one's sick yet, and it's been a month.

hope that helps!

tammy & grover

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9a. I have a problem.
Posted by: "Margaret" margaret.abate@ntlworld.com filardifilardi
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:23 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone,

I have one big problem with Kiera, my GSD, she has just stopped eating
her bones, will not touch them even her favourite, chicken, so what can
i do?? I have thought about pain in her mouth, nothing wrong in there, i
cant make her eat them, i only wish i could. This started just after i
came home from holiday, about 3/4 weeks ago.

Any idea's from anyone would be great.

Margaret.

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9b. Re: I have a problem.
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:40 pm ((PDT))

Hi Margaret,

How old is she? How long have you been raw feeding?

What is she eating now?

Big meat where she has to rip & tear or small cut up pieces?

Have you noticed if she is eating most things on one side of
her mouth?

How are her stools?

Anything happen while you were on holiday? Choking on a bone?

More information is good.............

All that said, Charkee had an infected tooth and it wasn't found till
he had a tooth cleaning done..Looked perfect from the outside....
Only clue......he'd only chew on one side.....

Carol, Charkee & Moli

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she has just stopped eating
her bones, will not touch them even her favourite, chicken

This started just after i came home from holiday, about 3/4 weeks ago.

Margaret.

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10a. Newbie to puppy rawfeeding question
Posted by: "a.flynn@optusnet.com.au" a.flynn@optusnet.com.au flynn_nn
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:28 pm ((PDT))

Hello,

I have been feeding my 12 week old mini fox terrier raw now for a few weeks since we got him. I am needing some reassurance that he is eating enough.

His ribs feel like they have enough covering, and he is very active and playful, bright eyed and shiny sleek coat. He is growing in height and length but has a slimmer look than I am used to for a pup. He has a definate waist (more like what i am used to in a grown dog) and I am more used to the roly poly puppy look. Is the typical roly poly look just because pups fed kibble are actually overweight? I am guessing so but need some reassurance that I am doing the right thing. Do raw fed pups look more like smaller adults because that is what he looks like?

He weighs about 5lbs and I am feeding him 4 times a day. So far he is getting chicken wings, lamb chop with a long bone in for him to chew, turkey necks, which he pulls the meat off, and beef pieces to make up more meat because of the bony wings, and some chicken liver and kidney. I have never had a small breed before, nor ever fed a pup raw. He seems to eat a lot some days and the next morning sometimes will not eat... he will go out and eat grass and vomit it up with no food coming up (because he hasn't eaten). Then by mid morning or lunchtime he will eat a meal as normal. Does this mean I have given him too much the evening before (sometimes he seems very much to be looking for more, so i give him more at those times)...is this sort of pattern normal? I suspect so but would like some feedback please.

Also he is due for worming and vaccinating. I ahve in the past always had this done, but since having a tumor removed from my older dogs neck last year, I am very sceptical about vaccines. I am wanting to do more reading on these topics and i can't find the links that i saw someone post on these topics. So if someone could kindly post those again it would be much appreciated.

Ann.

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10b. Re: Newbie to puppy rawfeeding question
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:17 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, a.flynn@... wrote:
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>
> Hello,
>
> Also he is due for worming and vaccinating. I am wanting to do more
reading on these topics and i can't find the links that i saw someone
post on these topics. So if someone could kindly post those again it
would be much appreciated.
>
> Ann.

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Here's a place to start

TruthAboutVaccines · TheTruthAboutVaccines

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TruthAboutVaccines/

Pamela Picard
www.pet-wellness-update.com

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11a. losing hair
Posted by: "scarebetty" scarebetty@yahoo.com scarebetty
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:57 pm ((PDT))

I switched my female to raw when she was about a month into her
pregnancy. She made the change with very little problem. Her pups
are now 5 weeks old, so she has been on raw for about 4 months now.
She is shedding a lot, not just individual hairs, but clumps in a
couple of spots. Along with the shedding she also has a lot of
dander. Where the hair is coming out in clumps, there is a scaling
that I would call exema. I feed her a lot of chicken, some pork, very
little beef. I'm trying to figure out if the hair loss is due to her
hormone changes-but dont think that the dermatitis could be due to
that. Just not sure as to what is causing it. Maybe a chicken
allergy? She doesnt scratch much. Maybe someone can help me. She
had a beautiful coat before I switched her-not saying that the raw
isnt good for her, I know it is, just wonder what to do.
Betty

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11b. Re: losing hair
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:30 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Betty!
Not sure if this relates to dogs or not, but when a woman is
pregnant, hair loss is reduced dramatically, as new hairs do not start
to grow during the pregnancy. Then, afterwards, there is an increased
rate of hair loss.
This link explains it better;

http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancyhealth/hairloss.html

I don't see why it couldn't happen to dogs in a similar way.
Her hormones may still be balancing out to prepregnancy levels,
especially if she is still nursing the pups.

Why don't you bathe her with a gentle shampoo, massaging her skin, and
rinsing extremely well. Dry her coat by rubbing gently all over with
dry towels, if you haven't got a canine coat dryer. People dryers are
too hot. This will help remove all the loose hair and dander, as well
as any greasy exudate that has accumulated. Brush her with a soft pin
brush daily to stimulate the skin and distribute skin oils through the
coat.

About three days after the bath, her skin should return to what is
normal for her right now. Then, you will be able have a better idea of
how her skin and coat are faring from then on.

You could add more variety to her diet; especially organs like liver,
kidney, sweet breads, etc. Turkey is easily obtained, and maybe you
could find some venison or other red meats. Beef or veal heart is a
great lean red meat to feed, and not expensive. Does she get enough
edible bone?

A good quality Salmon or Fish Body Oil couldn't hurt, either. Make
sure it doesn't have any plant based oils or additives.

TC and let us know how she does!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

I switched my female to raw when she was about a month into her
> pregnancy. She made the change with very little problem. Her pups
> are now 5 weeks old, so she has been on raw for about 4 months now.
> She is shedding a lot, not just individual hairs, but clumps in a
> couple of spots. Along with the shedding she also has a lot of
> dander. Where the hair is coming out in clumps, there is a scaling
> that I would call eczema. I feed her a lot of chicken, some pork, very
> little beef. I'm trying to figure out if the hair loss is due to her
> hormone changes-but don't think that the dermatitis could be due to
> that. Just not sure as to what is causing it. Maybe a chicken
> allergy? She doesn't scratch much. Maybe someone can help me. She
> had a beautiful coat before I switched her - not saying that the raw
> isn't good for her, I know it is, just wonder what to do.
> Betty
>

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11c. Re: losing hair
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:19 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Chapman" <aaronchpmn@...> wrote:
>
> so my dogs and i have been on the barf diet now for a couple of months
> and now im noticing that my pit bull is starting to lose his hair on
> his armpits(if u can call it that lol) and around one of his eyes he
> has also been doing a lot of scratching underneath his armpits
> also....is this a food allergy??? what is going on??????? thx in advance
>
> confused and worried
> Aaron
>
How much chicken does he eat? Has he been vaccinated recently?
Pamela

www.pet-wellness-update.com

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12a. Re: fresh meat
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:58 pm ((PDT))

"v_rod_or" <v_rod_or@...> wrote:
>
> > do u need to freeze all meats before feeding?
>
> I've heard from several respected folks here that fish (at least some
> kinds) should be frozen first...think this has something to do with
> bones. Maybe someone can elaborate further?
*****
Has zipola to do with bones. It's recommended that fish, especially
wild fish, of unknown or uncertain provenence be frozen to kill
parasites. This is true for all wild meats--ineqivocally. If you are
unsure about the critter's circumstances, freeze first.

Freezing will kill parasites; it will not remove toxins, neither will
cooking. So if the fish may have come from polluted water--if the fish
is not one you would eat yourself--think again about feeding it to your
dog.

Bones are not generally affected by freezing.
Chris o

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13. Swordfish and Haddock
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:37 pm ((PDT))

I've never fed fish to my dogs yet but got a few pieces of both of
these today. I don't eat fish myself so I don't know anything about
them. Are these ok to feed? I found an old post that said swordfish
had too much mercury but if it is only a rare occasion, is it ok? It's
not something I plan to buy but I got it free.
Michele

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14. Not eating raw...
Posted by: "Jamie Dolan" jamiedolan@gmail.com jamiedolan
Date: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:18 pm ((PDT))

HI,

I make up a barf type mix for my parents dogs that have ground beef,
chicken, ducks, chicken organs, organic eggs and salmon oil.

I have to do the barf type food for them, as my mom hates allowing
them to crunch up bones. Although once in a while I do give them some
whole chicken pieces.

There is no point is me making a further fuss about having them eat
normal RMB's because they will just get frustrated and go back to iams
kibble and canned mighty dog or whatever. But I need to figure out
what to do about this problem...

They have 4 dogs, 1 old Maltese, and 3 shih tzu's.

8 months ago when I started them on the barf mix, all 4 dogs ate the
mix just fine. They are fed twice a day.

After about a month, the maltese stoped wanted to eat my barf mix for
some reason, so she got switched back to some cheap canned food.

Now 1 of the shih tzu's (the youngest one about a year and a half)
often refuses to eat her barf mix.

I can't figure out why they won't eat it at all.

My parents are not willing to feed only once a day, and they are not
willing to allow the dogs to skip a meal if they don't want to eat the
barf mix. If they don't eat there barf, then they get canned or dry.

The latest dog that is not eating barf at times is a normal size shih
tzu, about 13 pounds. The maltese does not eat any barf any more
(however she ate most of a raw drum stick I gave her last week)

The 2 older shih tzu's are morbidly obese (around 25 pounds each,
without much muscle... My largest shih tzu is 19.5 pounds,but he is
very muscular, and can walk for many miles, 5+ a day, vs her large
dogs that can barely walk a half mile) The large older shih tzu's
always eat there barf, no problem.

My mom thinks they like vegetables, she cooked them some chicken with
vegetables last week and I guess they all ate it.

I really want them to keep eating raw, even if it is barf. I wonder
if it would be more appealing to them if I add in some kind of veggie
or something? I know there is nothing wrong with the barf mix,
because if I give it to my boys they will lick the plates. 2 of my
boys pretty much hate veggies, 1 will eat a couple veggies. I don't
know if perhaps my parents dogs do like veggies? Maybe I have to add
some more veggies to get them to eat it?

Any other ideas as to what I might be able to do to there food to make
it more appealing to my parents dogs? It also has lots of salmon oil
on it.

Thanks in advance

Jamie

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