[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11845

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: Fish
From: oldhatt45

2a. Re: help for IBS
From: lhmcmaken
2b. Re: help for IBS
From: metra_co
2c. Re: help for IBS
From: chele519
2d. Re: help for IBS
From: mwood8402

3a. Re: Day # 2....still vomiting!
From: Margaret Martell
3b. Re: Day # 2....still vomiting!
From: carnesbill

4a. Re: different kinds of meat
From: costrowski75

5a. ADMIN/Re: Heartworm positive?
From: costrowski75

6a. meat turning brown
From: outcats4@aol.com
6b. Re: meat turning brown
From: costrowski75
6c. Re: meat turning brown
From: chandler_baby
6d. Re: meat turning brown
From: Casey Post

7a. Re: Newbie here
From: paperfibe

8a. Re: Gulf of Mexico Fish
From: costrowski75

9a. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
From: costrowski75

10a. Re: Life after chicken
From: Lauren
10b. Re: Life after chicken
From: mwood8402

11a. Re: missing stuff in diet
From: mwood8402

12a. Newbie don't know my number yet
From: Cheryl
12b. Re: Newbie don't know my number yet
From: Laura Atkinson
12c. Re: Newbie don't know my number yet
From: rosey031801
12d. Re: Newbie don't know my number yet
From: Cheryl
12e. Re: Newbie don't know my number yet
From: Laura Atkinson

13a. Beef Trachea
From: Jennifer Scheytt

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1.1. Re: Fish
Posted by: "oldhatt45" c.d.brengel@att.net oldhatt45
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:38 am ((PDT))

From what I know of fish, there are only 3 varieties of Shark that
can/should be eaten by anyone, dogs included. Mako, is one of the good
to eat fish. I don't remember the other 2 since I don't fish for
them. Sharks other then the 3 good ones, excrete their waste through
their skin, making it and the meat somewhat toxic.

In terms of other good to eat fish in the gulf that you might be likely
to catch are; tuna, grouper, and redfish. THose are the only ones that
come to mind right now, there are probably others.

Hope this helps.

Drew

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2a. Re: help for IBS
Posted by: "lhmcmaken" lhmcmaken@yahoo.com lhmcmaken
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:52 am ((PDT))

thanks to all for your thoughts. 6 times we have cleaned up since i
posted. sleeping inside she soiled her bed. am going to try the clay
and get her stable. your kind words have encouraged me. this is very
hard. thanks.
take care,
Lynda

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2b. Re: help for IBS
Posted by: "metra_co" metraco@hotmail.com metra_co
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:47 am ((PDT))

would love to go raw for both dogs but with her diarreaha I am just
afraid to. In the reading of the posts to this group, it seems upset
stomach and bowels is commen. Sorry for this long post but I am
confused about what to do, and very sad that both dogs can no longer be
housedogs.

Rusty used to get explosive, watery diarrhea, in bouts that would last
a couple days and I would need to take him outside about every hour-and-
a-half all night long. It used to happen every couple of months, then
progressed to every week or two from Jan-March.

I finally switched him (from the "best" k***le) to raw food in the
beginning of April, and he has not had even a single episode since. The
first week or two of raw he did have some loose, mucousy stools, but
not any diarrhea. (And he only had one accident, which was completely
my fault, because after a few successful days, I gave him two new types
of meat plus a piece of liver--verrry stupid of me!)

Metra

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2c. Re: help for IBS
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:30 am ((PDT))

Lynda, one of my dogs was the same way before we started raw. One
night I was up almost every 1/2 hr with her. No one could ever tell me
what was wrong. As soon as she got off kibble and the grains, it all
cleared up. She has had solid stool consistently since then, 1 1/2
years now. Even my skeptical, conventional vet agreed with me that she
was not digesting the grains. If you are leaving them outside anyway
right now, why not try it and see what happens? I did not have any
problems, in fact, the loose stools cleared up in just a couple days
and she never had the mucous stuff.
Michele

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@...> wrote:
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> Hello. I have two great Danes. Both have been on the best kibble and
> now on canned. My male has had skin issues his whole life,
>I would love to go raw for both dogs but
> with her diarreaha I am just afraid to.

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2d. Re: help for IBS
Posted by: "mwood8402" mwood8402@hotmail.com mwood8402
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:33 am ((PDT))

All I can tell you is that I switched my IBD dog to raw and it's the
only thing that has ever helped him. If you want some tips on starting
out, let me know.

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "lhmcmaken" <lhmcmaken@...> wrote:
>I would love to go raw for both dogs but with her diarreaha I am just
afraid to.

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3a. Re: Day # 2....still vomiting!
Posted by: "Margaret Martell" zahrammm1@yahoo.com zahrammm1
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:01 am ((PDT))

: Sorry for the delay but I've spent all evening at the vets weighing my
options. Sassy was diagnosed with Parvo this afternoon, and In my
vets eyes, one of the worst cases he's seen in a while. While I'm
relived that her condition was not brought on by her raw diet, I
almost wish it was. That way I could get my slap on the wrist bring
her home.

Jeff and Sassy
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3b. Re: Day # 2....still vomiting!
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:58 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cresco299" <gentry.jeffrey@...>
wrote:
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> Sassy was diagnosed with Parvo this afternoon, and In my
> vets eyes, one of the worst cases he's seen in a while.

I'm really sorry to hear that, Jeff. I hope it all works out for the
best.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4a. Re: different kinds of meat
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:43 am ((PDT))

"doreenchui" <doreenchui@...> wrote:
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> Can I feed cod fish and venision meat?
*****
Yes. The fish should be raw and unprocessed. Venison is perfectly
lovely; feed as much of it as you can.

I understand to start with small
> amount. I currently feed 400gms of meat a day. Does that mean for
fish
> as well?
*****
Yes, it's generally more comfortable for human and dog alike to
introduce new foods little by little. Start with a small amount of
fish, then as your whippet gains experience with it you can feed larger
portions.

What I would do, I think, is feed a small amount of fish separate from
the main meal, then feed the "real" meal later, as I normally would.
Or perhaps I would feed fish as the meal du jour but make the meal a
scant one that would with successful experience gradually increase in
size.

But you can toss a chunk of fish into the "real" meal if you want. You
know your dog's eating habits, I don't!

My dogs would probably eat around the fish chunk.
Chris O

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5a. ADMIN/Re: Heartworm positive?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:50 am ((PDT))

Please take this topic to DogHealth, RawChat or private; it is not
appropriate for this list unless one is looking for rawfeeding support.
Thank you.
Chris O
Mod Team

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6a. meat turning brown
Posted by: "outcats4@aol.com" outcats4@aol.com barb5ducks
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:57 am ((PDT))

I just bought a package of meat from the foodstore, ground beef, and it went
from very pink to very brown overnight - does anyone know what might cause
this? It was supposed to be antibiotic, hormone free meat.

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6b. Re: meat turning brown
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:12 am ((PDT))

outcats4@... wrote:
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> I just bought a package of meat from the foodstore, ground beef, and
it went
> from very pink to very brown overnight - does anyone know what might
cause
> this? It was supposed to be antibiotic, hormone free meat.
*****

What you see is meat "rusting"; you see it because the meat surface was
exposed to air and there were no preservatives added to to keep it
fresh-looking and pink. Deeper inside, the meat should still be pink.

The meat is fine.
Chris O

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6c. Re: meat turning brown
Posted by: "chandler_baby" chandler_baby@yahoo.com chandler_baby
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:36 am ((PDT))

>
> I just bought a package of meat from the foodstore, ground beef, and
it went
> from very pink to very brown overnight - does anyone know what might
cause
> this? It was supposed to be antibiotic, hormone free meat.

Barb, it is my understanding that some meat counters will all
something to their meat to give it a nice red color. As it ages, that
red color goes away giving the meat an old appearance. Even air will
brown it sooner too.

when you buy meat from a fresh meat locker, the meat is never that
bright red color and it has a much better smell.

someone else maybe will have a better answer for you.

Roxane

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6d. Re: meat turning brown
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:57 am ((PDT))

>I just bought a package of meat from the foodstore, ground beef, and it
>went
> from very pink to very brown overnight - does anyone know what might cause
> this? It was supposed to be antibiotic, hormone free meat.

Oxidation. No biggie. While it may look less appealing to you, it's fine.

Casey

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7a. Re: Newbie here
Posted by: "paperfibe" CollageStudio@bendbroadband.com paperfibe
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:57 am ((PDT))

thanks Pamela, The boys so far are loving this and think that each
meal is a treat!..I've not fed chicken yet so far just elk. their
poo is now a white color and very little compared to huge poo
piles!..Doc seems less itchy today, so I think its starting to come
around!
:)
deb and the boys
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "pet.wellness" <pet.wellness@...>
wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "paperfibe" <CollageStudio@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi all, I've been reading posts and thought I'd better introduce
> > myself and my new raw fed crew two one year old bulldogs Doc and
Wyatt..
> > They have been eating Canidae kibble until last week. I made the
> > decision to switch to Raw and have started the boys with elk so
far.
> > Heres a link to their blog of their change over.
> > http://docwyattraw.blogspot.com/
> >
> Love your blog! Great looking guys too.
>
> I also have an itchy dog. I stopped feeding chicken. He is less and
> less itchy every day. It is such a relief! You might want to go
slowly
> in adding variety.
> Pamela
>

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8a. Re: Gulf of Mexico Fish
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:00 am ((PDT))

"michelleraia1" <michelleraia1@...> wrote:
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> We are going deep sea fishing soon. Does anyone know which deep sea
> fish out of the Gulf of Mexico would be safe? King fish and shark
are
> popularly caught. Thanks.
*****
Michelle, you posted this question on July 25 and I provided an answer
on July 25.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/137180

If this is not adequate, please repost the specifics you seek.
Chris O

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9a. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:07 am ((PDT))

"Shannon Hully" <summerwolf@...> wrote:
I've
> actually managed to get mine on whole prey so I just buy them small
> animals on-line and feed them those. It's so satisfying to hear them
> crunching away!
*****
When I can afford them, I will. But since there are other less pricey
sources for crunchy bones, no one is going without.
Chris O

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10a. Re: Life after chicken
Posted by: "Lauren" lfunaiol@yahoo.com lfunaiol
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:48 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Eve <loulou_bean@...> wrote:
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Does anyone
> have a recommendation for the introduction of a 2nd
> meat?
>

Hi Eve,

I also recommend pork as a nice 2nd meat. My 4 dogs eat lots of it
because it is cheap, tasty, and has nice soft edible bones. Typical
cuts I buy: picnic roast, spare ribs, and country ribs. You can
usually get the butcher at the market to cut the roast into smaller
pieces that are closer to meal size. Spare ribs should be fed in small
slabs of attached ribs. Cut any tiny bone slivers out of country ribs
before you give them to the dog.

Lauren Funaiole

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10b. Re: Life after chicken
Posted by: "mwood8402" mwood8402@hotmail.com mwood8402
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:23 am ((PDT))

For what it's worth, the second protein I introduced was beef and we
never had an incident. I introduced it painfully slowly though. I
think I read that the easiest way is to do turkey then pork then beef.
Or something like that. But I kind of think you can do whatever you
want. Good luck!

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Eve <loulou_bean@...> wrote:
>Does anyone
> have a recommendation for the introduction of a 2nd
> meat? We've read mixed reviews about beef. Any
> advice would be great.
> Eve, Dan, and Louis
>

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11a. Re: missing stuff in diet
Posted by: "mwood8402" mwood8402@hotmail.com mwood8402
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:23 am ((PDT))

There is no need to be offended. Please notice the quotation marks
around "high end" and "low end". I don't know how else to convey the
meaning. I'm not an upper crusty rich folk... in fact I'm a college
student. I'm quite sure you have more cash on hand than I do right
now. I was saying that many times there is a better selection at
grocery stores where the prices aren't as high. Many times, "low
end"=better deals imo. Though I shop around everywhere for good
deals. I don't know why you find that offensive.

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Morledzep@... wrote:
> Melissa,
>
> not all of us are upper crusty rich folks that only shop at "high
end"
> groceries.. and yes.. i'm offended.
>
> Catherine R.
>

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12a. Newbie don't know my number yet
Posted by: "Cheryl" parkbunny@verizon.net vessels13
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:26 am ((PDT))

Hi all,
I'm also a newbie.
Quite overwhelmed at the thought of thinking of a new diet.
I know I have plenty of files to read, links and so forth but i have to
say this is a lot to swallow. I just don't know how far to go with the
raw. Meaning. I have to work and I don't have a lot of money for meat. I
think the reason a lot of pet owners don't do raw may be because of the
time and thought involved. Maybe there is no time and thought but for
me, it seems like I will be learning a different language. I brought up
the thought of raw to a colleague and now, we don't speak any more. Just
because, she would never feed her dog raw.
So, i feel like I sit alone trying to figure my way around how to feed
my 18 week young puppy, poodle. I have given her Natures Variety and she
does like it. I need to add some more to her diet as I forget to take
out the medallions or I feel that she only has two varieties to choose
from. I will be going back to the food store today and see if they will
take back this Solid Gold puppy. I thought she liked it but there it
will sit for about 2 days. Then, I give her the Natures Variety and she
chows.
I feel that that is too much soft food also. Is it?

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12b. Re: Newbie don't know my number yet
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:33 am ((PDT))

You're at the first step of a big change.

None of us have unlimited amounts of money to feed the dogs, we find
deals, watch for expiring grocery store mark downs, find other
like-minded raw feeders and order in bulk, etc.

However, you'll find that the overall investment in her health, by
feeding raw, will be more than offset by a decrease in visits to the
vets, no dentals, and, in general her increased health.

Start easy. Go pick up a bag or package of chicken quarters or a
whole chicken (they're frequently on sale for less than $1/lb) , chop
into appropriate service size pieces for her. It really is just that
easy to get started. And while you're working your way through the
first couple of weeks of chicken, you can hang out here and prepare
for adding the second protein source, organs and all sorts of other
fun things.

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com

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12c. Re: Newbie don't know my number yet
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:50 am ((PDT))

It sounds like you need to read, read and read some more. I read all
posts for two weeks before I even thought about switching, then I felt
confident I could do it. It is not complicated once you learn what the
dog needs. Just hand your dog a chunk of meat once a day, or twice if
you want. No canned cra*, no kibble, just raw meat. It's very
affordable if you get the meat when it's on sale, just like most of us
do for our human families.With a small dog it will be so cheap. My dog
at 25lbs. eats less than a lb. a day. I feed him for under a dollar a
day, sometimes for .39 cents a day when the sales are there on chicken.
Good luck
Cheryl

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12d. Re: Newbie don't know my number yet
Posted by: "Cheryl" parkbunny@verizon.net vessels13
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:58 am ((PDT))

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Wow. Now that's what I like. A response I can follow. thank you Laura.
Will do it today. :)

Laura Atkinson wrote:
> You're at the first step of a big change.
>
> None of us have unlimited amounts of money to feed the dogs, we find
> deals, watch for expiring grocery store mark downs, find other
> like-minded raw feeders and order in bulk, etc.
>
> However, you'll find that the overall investment in her health, by
> feeding raw, will be more than offset by a decrease in visits to the
> vets, no dentals, and, in general her increased health.
>
> Start easy. Go pick up a bag or package of chicken quarters or a
> whole chicken (they're frequently on sale for less than $1/lb) , chop
> into appropriate service size pieces for her. It really is just that
> easy to get started. And while you're working your way through the
> first couple of weeks of chicken, you can hang out here and prepare
> for adding the second protein source, organs and all sorts of other
> fun things.
>
>

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12e. Re: Newbie don't know my number yet
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:10 am ((PDT))

You're welcome. The KISS (Keep it simple, silly...which I find nicer
than the more commonly used alternative) usually works for me <grin>

If you hit my website www.kaossiberians.com and click, I think on the
Natural Rearing link, down about 2/3 of the page is a Raw Feeding
Primer. It's just something I threw together to give prospective pet
buyers somewhere to start when they start looking at feeding raw, as
my puppies will only be going to raw feeding homes.

On 7/26/07, Cheryl <parkbunny@verizon.net> wrote:
> Wow. Now that's what I like. A response I can follow. thank you Laura.
> Will do it today. :)
>

--
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13a. Beef Trachea
Posted by: "Jennifer Scheytt" jscheytt@yahoo.com jscheytt
Date: Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:13 pm ((PDT))

I just got my order from TPF and I orded some beef trachea as I have heard it is a good thing to feed for joints and glucosimine and since my beardies are active in herding and agility this sounded good to me. I am just not sure how often I should feed it and how much at a time. Should I feed a whole meal of just trachea or should I add it to one of their other meals (I feed twice a day). I am also excited to try the whole tripe strips.
Thanks Jenny and the beardies

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