[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11840

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Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: How to introduce raw food to a kibble fed pup
From: snowdrop76
1b. How to introduce raw food to a kibble fed pup
From: Chinook
1c. Re: How to introduce raw food to a kibble fed pup
From: bluegracepwd
1d. Re: How to introduce raw food to a kibble fed pup
From: costrowski75

2a. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
From: mlodge
2b. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
From: costrowski75
2c. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
From: Maiakitas@aol.com

3a. Re: Day # 2....still vomiting!
From: mlodge
3b. Re: Day # 2....still vomiting!
From: Nathalie Poulin
3c. Re: Day # 2....still vomiting!
From: Cdandp2@aol.com

4a. Re: Last nights disaster
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: pawing at mouth after meals
From: costrowski75
5b. Re: pawing at mouth after meals
From: anjumdanielle

6.1. Re: itchy skin
From: nikiolivier

7. Re: How to Introduce Raw to a Kibble Fed Pup
From: Michael Moore

8a. Mixing meats, etc.
From: vadaski16
8b. Re: Mixing meats, etc.
From: Denise Strother
8c. Re: Mixing meats, etc.
From: Margaret Martell

9a. Re: I second the request for a Sample Meal Plan!
From: helpshelteranimals
9b. Re: I second the request for a Sample Meal Plan!
From: Pam Vojtas

10.1. turkey necks
From: Maria Mariani

11.1. Fish
From: michelleraia1
11.2. Re: Fish
From: costrowski75

12a. Re: missing stuff in diet
From: Mike Devlin

13. HI Everyone
From: Gureet

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1a. Re: How to introduce raw food to a kibble fed pup
Posted by: "snowdrop76" thenicholsons@gmail.com snowdrop76
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:54 am ((PDT))

i have the very same question.. with a 16 week old teacup yorkie.
he wants to eat anything i put in my mouth (little beggar) so i think
i can convince him to try anything- as long as i make yummy sounds to
go with it... :)
but i am in a quandry as to how much & what (formula) to begin to feed
him.
so i will watch this thread as any who are vastly more knowledgeable
answer you. thanks for starting this thread.
:)

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Naomi Bjorgan <ngbjorgan@...> wrote:
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> Hello,
>
> How does one introduce raw food to a puppy? Should we start cold
> turkey, or mix initially with kibble for a defined period of time?
This
> lab pup will be 2 1/2mos old when we get her and she has been on mom's
> milk, then kibble.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Naomi
>

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1b. How to introduce raw food to a kibble fed pup
Posted by: "Chinook" chinook.nr@tds.net ychinook
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:25 am ((PDT))

My wife got a GR pup a couple weeks ago that had been started on
doom-kibble by the breeder. I have a 5 year old malamute that is raw
fed so when I fed my dog I gave the pup a chicken thigh for its first
meal. You should have seen the pup - its tail was going a mile a minute :-)

As many others will tell you, start cold turkey and immediately. I feed
the pup what it will eat up to the point where its stools are still
firm. There is some percentage of weight guidelines others have
mentioned, but I don't bother weighing food. I'm more interested in
watching for excessive weight gain and runny stools. I cut back on my
malamutes food some during the summer because it gets much less exercise.

Besides the 80-10-10 prey model guidelines over time, the only thing I
add is salmon oil for the omegas (not sufficient in much of the store
bought beef, pork, poultry, etc.).

Best to all,
Lee, Karen, Buddy Bear and Holly

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1c. Re: How to introduce raw food to a kibble fed pup
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:27 am ((PDT))

Hi Naomi,

throw the kibble out as far away as possible. Some retailers may
actually buy it back from you. It's even better if you can get your
good money back for the crap.

Go to the butcher. Get a fine selection of appropriate meaty bones
and offal, and present to puppy.

And never feed kibble again to the pup!

hope that helps.

cheers,

Jane
www.bluegrace.com

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1d. Re: How to introduce raw food to a kibble fed pup
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:10 am ((PDT))

Naomi Bjorgan <ngbjorgan@...> wrote:

> How does one introduce raw food to a puppy? Should we start cold
> turkey, or mix initially with kibble for a defined period of time?
This
> lab pup will be 2 1/2mos old when we get her and she has been on
mom's
> milk, then kibble.
*****
It's easy, it's peasy.

Option A
Buy a whole chicken, whack it into sections, smash up the bones some,
maybe cut into the skin a bit, feed sections. Add bits of meatymeat
to the meals.

Option B
Buy minimally processed leg quarters and maybe backs (skip the necks)
and rib-in breasts and apply the finishing touches from Option A.

Pup time is the best time to introduce variety, so from the very get-
go feed small amounts of meat--beef and pork and lamb and turkey and
absolutely everything you can get your hands on--if not directly with
the chicken part, then in alternation with chicken parts (instead of
a total no-bone meal, perhaps a comfortable compromise night be a
predominately meat meal with half a back or a shoulder/wing cut out
of the chicken). You will be feeding three, possibly four meals a
day for a while; since the kitchen is hardly ever going to be closed,
use it to your advantage.

Also use this time to introduce (again, in wee sma doses) liver and
heart and any other bit of squidgy organ you come upon. If you can
get green tripe, feed bits of that, too.

Unless the kid will be exceedingly large or exceptionally small upon
reaching adulthood, you'll probably be feeding around a pound and a
half a day, plus/minus, adjusted as necessary. Perhaps a bit less,
since she's a girly-girl.

Divide that into four feedings (or three) of approximately six ounces
(or eight ounces) a day. OTOH, it's not wrong at all to let the kid
eat larger whacks of food til she's satisfied. And hey! You can do
a little of this and a little of that.

Do not be afraid to let her sample new foods, flavors, textures,
smells, Just do it in tiny bits.

And also give her some cumbersome body parts that make her problem
solve. A pork shoulder bone with most of the meat removed would be
fun. Although perhaps too small for a Lab pupster, lamb shanks are
good "job" meals as well--they were terrific for my bc pup. Turkey
necks will probably be too small even now; if you must feed them, go
for tom (male) necks, not hen. Cornish game hen halves also can be
fed for "job" meals.

Adjust, adjust, adjust and don't freak out if a. the pup produces no
stool for a day or so, or b. has loose stools. Back off, simplify,
reduce amounts. It will work out.

And if the breeder hands you a bag o' crap, say thank you and toss it
before you get through your front door.

Feeding raw to pups is so much fun!
Chris O

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2a. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
Posted by: "mlodge" mmlodge@att.net mlodge
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:33 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Morledzep@... wrote:
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>
> In a message dated 7/24/2007 4:14:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> Maiakitas@... writes:
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> Does microwaving on defrost briefly alter the nutritional content of
the meat
> if it is still partially frozen? I know there has to be a way to get
this
>...
>
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It flies in the face of science as I know it that microwaving would be
a bad thing, if done right. I mean, the bones aren't cooked unless
their temperature is raised -- things cook when they heat up -- and
gentle microwaving does not need to raise the temperature above say,
40-45 degrees, the temp of a good refrigerator.

I have to think partial defrosting would work, again, if done right.
>

Melissa

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2b. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:27 am ((PDT))

"mlodge" <mmlodge@...> wrote:
> It flies in the face of science as I know it that microwaving would be
> a bad thing, if done right.
*****
There are issues of blocked microwaves and meat not getting cooked
adequately behind the impediment while the impediment gets too cooked
(which would mean for human consumers the meat would be too rare and
for dog consumers the bones would be too cooked) and of course
establishing what "if done right" is.

Certainly it's easiest to just not do it.

What I fail to understand is why the meal simply cannot be left to
defrost on the counter? Why must the meat--if it cannot be fed frozen--
be fed at a specific time? Why can't mealtime wait until the meat is
defrosted? Meal TIME should be when the meal arrives, not when the
clock says so.
Chris O

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2c. Re: Newbie With A Feeding Dilemma -Won't Eat Frozen Either
Posted by: "Maiakitas@aol.com" Maiakitas@aol.com maiakitas
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:31 am ((PDT))

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the response, but actually the original question was regarding a
freshness issue. My dogs won't touch anything not fresh, (they were missing
meals, which I had no problem with, but I realized it was only when the meat was
not really fresh, just like cats) and I have been throwing out lots of meat,
so since I am new at this I was just trying to get you rawfeeding veterans to
help me figure out the logistics to have fresh, thawed meat, daily and stop
wasting.

I just gave them some real piggy ears for fun. I'll be curious to see what
they do with them. And yes, they are fresh. :o)

Regards,
Carla

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3a. Re: Day # 2....still vomiting!
Posted by: "mlodge" mmlodge@att.net mlodge
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:34 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cresco299" <gentry.jeffrey@...> wrote:
> I felt the need to let him know that I was feeding
> raw and his reaction was mixed. First, he let a little chuckle go and
> mentioned something to the effect that as my dogs get older their
> bones will fail because this diet is lacking calcium......
>

Awwww I hope your baby is back soon all hydrated-up and well.
This is interesting to me, because my vet said the same thing. Now I
love my vet, she is a very "normal" person/vet who is open to most
things. She fed her dog raw once but didn't care for it (personally,
only, not becuase of any vet thing), she does not have a problem with
anyone else doing it. She said to be sure he was getting enough
calcium, too...

Melissa

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3b. Re: Day # 2....still vomiting!
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:32 am ((PDT))

First, he let a
> little chuckle go and
> mentioned something to the effect that as my dogs
> get older their
> bones will fail because this diet is lacking
> calcium......Secondly he
> mentioned with almost certainty that because I was
> feeding chicken he
> would be seeing me again due to blockage or
> splintered bones.

I'd like to know, in his OBVIOUS and infinite wisdom
of dog nutrition, where he gets this basis from.

If you were feeding COOKED bones (which you are
obviously not) THEN he would be correct in seeing you
back there with blockage from splintered bones.

Lacking in calcium, you don't say.
I think Mr. Vegetarian should take a dog nutrition
course, if they even off one that isn't backed by a
kibble factory...

Nathalie

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3c. Re: Day # 2....still vomiting!
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:34 am ((PDT))

<<<<Is this guy crazy or is there in merit to what he's saying?>>>

There's merit. I'm vegetarian also, but I've always fed my dogs meat (now
raw meat and bones). However, I'm often troubled when I hear people making
blanket statements that raw is always better. Sometimes, our human grade meat
isn't as high quality as the meat in SOME (big qualification here)
kibble...however...I do get it that the quality of the meat going into the kibble is
pretty much irrelevant after the processing...

I can't afford grass fed free range anything for my guy...BUT...I have been
careful (also because of humanitarian reasons and my politics) to purchase
from sources where they're at least trying to do better and where the specific
sources for their meat can be identified. It's true about the pork.
Melamine (the plastic that was found in the dry foods) was fed to the pigs and then
released as human grade pork products.

Just wishing "human grade" could be trusted. Our food supply is really a
mess but that's for another list another time.

But meanwhile, it's been difficult for me on limited income to be able to
get enough meat to meet my dog's needs while not supporting questionable or
inhumane factory farming practices. Lots of people will poo poo these kinds of
things, but I believe the quality of the food matters (and that includes not
only additives/chemicals/etc. but also the quality of the life of the animal
(prey) before it's death. How can sick, suffering animals result in
wholesome food for anyone?).

Sorry for the long post. This is one I've been struggling with for several
years.
Carol, Spencer, and the p-angel

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4a. Re: Last nights disaster
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:42 am ((PDT))

Marilyn Neil <ems1classic@...> wrote:
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> When this happened to my sister lab (although fresh food) the vet
suggested a bottle of cod liver oil, this helped enomously, the kibble
basically slid through the gut without swelling.
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Gadzooks! A whole bottle of cod liver oil will deliver to a dog many
times the safe amount it should ingest. That's--heck, I can't even
figure out how much vitamin A and vitamin D the dog would be getting in
one stunning blow.

Nay, I say, nay!

It's much safer, if you urgently need to lube the tubes, to use olive
oil or even corn or canola cooking oils.
Chris O

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5a. Re: pawing at mouth after meals
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:44 am ((PDT))

outcats4@... wrote:
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> My dog has had allergies, and scratched his ears because they were
infected
> and face quite a bit. His ears are better, but now Ive noticed that
after
> each meal, he paws and paws at his snout.
*****
How long have you been feeding raw and what are you feeding?
Chris O

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5b. Re: pawing at mouth after meals
Posted by: "anjumdanielle" anjumdanielle@yahoo.com anjumdanielle
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:27 am ((PDT))

Barb - not to gloss over any possible allergies or other problem, but
my dog does this when he's really gotten "into" his meal. I'm pretty
sure he's just cleaning his face. Might be the same w/ yours.
Good luck.
-Anjum

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but now Ive noticed that after
> each meal, he paws and paws at his snout. I cant see anything wrong
with his teeth from the outside -any ideas what this could be? > barb

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6.1. Re: itchy skin
Posted by: "nikiolivier" holivier@hydro.mb.ca nikiolivier
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:31 am ((PDT))

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well, i was hoping to share my experiences with allergies, itchy skin
and my raw-fed boxer, but i can neither delete nor add photos to my
album... moderator, have these functions been disabled in the photo
section?

my boxer has had allergies most of his 5 years of life (bday was
yesterday!!). up until this past spring, i've been able to manage
them through supplements and healthy eating, including a year-long
stint with pre-packaged raw. however, since his most recent outbreak,
i've not been able to get his skin back to a healthy state. he does
do really well if i feed him strictly fish, but this is hard to come
by in my prairie region. he's shown some resistance to chicken more
recently, flaring up particularly after a couple of days on it. i
switch up often between any kinds of protein i can get my hands on
and keep his diet as clean as possible (my reason for choosing prey-
model). even with all of this, i have to keep my boy on 5mgs of
prednisone daily and everyone knows when the 24 hour-mark hits!

my next step is to have my boy tested for a staph allergy. the
bacteria exists on all our bodies, but for those allergic, can cause
regular outbreaks any time the immune system is compromised. it's
treated with a round of anti-biotics - the only thing that's ever
helped Pilgrim during a full-blown flare-up.

just a little side-note: when my dog was last on kibble (grain-free)
and we added the steroid, he bloated up to almost twice his size and
became visibly uncomfortable and understandably cranky. within a week
of putting him back on raw, even while maintaining the prednisone,
his bloating was 100% gone and he was back to his happy, spunky self.
my belief is that the steroid further weakened cleansing organs that
were already immensely taxed, filtering out the garbage that exists
in any processed food - no matter how 'good'. that is enough evidence
for me to never feed kibble again.

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7. Re: How to Introduce Raw to a Kibble Fed Pup
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:33 am ((PDT))

>>How does one introduce raw food to a puppy? Should we start cold
turkey, or mix initially with kibble for a defined period of time? This
lab pup will be 2 1/2mos old when we get her and she has been on mom's
milk, then kibble.<<

Naomi-- I've done this, twice, although my pups were a bit older (14 & 16 wks.) but are a smaller breed (Corgis). Cold turkey (or chicken or beef or whatever) is definitely best. And you'll be amazed at how easy it is, and how quickly your pup "understands" what to do with "real" food.
Please do *not* mix raw and kibble -- they may digest at different rates and cause problems for your puppy. Just go raw!
I brought each of our puppies home from their respective breeders with the obligatory "what they're eating" ki**le, threw out the crap, and started them each on raw foods immediately. I did cut a few "slits" into the meat the first meal for one puppy.
FYI -- at 2 1/2 months, our Corgi puppies (now 13 weeks) could -- and did -- eat chicken, turkey, venison, elk, pork, fish and rabbit.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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8a. Mixing meats, etc.
Posted by: "vadaski16" vadaski16@yahoo.com vadaski16
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:34 am ((PDT))

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hello there! i'm new to raw feeding and like most newbies, i have a
zillion questions.

but here's my main concern (for now): is it okay to mix two kinds of
meat (i.e. chicken + pork) in one meal?

and would you recommend adding veggie mush to his food every once in a
while?

oh and what about fish? with the bone, it's still an RMB right? so
should i still mix it with muscle meat?

thanks thanks.

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8b. Re: Mixing meats, etc.
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:27 am ((PDT))

is it okay to mix two kinds of meat (i.e. chicken + pork) in one meal?
> I do it all of the time. It's fine if your dog doesn't have an issue
with it. I have dogs from 3lbs to 45lbs and nobody has a problem with
it.

and would you recommend adding veggie mush to his food every once in a
while?
> I recommend meat, bones, organs and fish body or salmon oil if your
feeding anything other than grassfed animals. Dogs don't digest
veggies, so why would you feed them.

oh and what about fish? with the bone, it's still an RMB right? so
should i still mix it with muscle meat?
> You don't have to feed extra meat with a whole fish, if you feed
enough fish to make a meal. Whole fish is whole prey. Denise

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8c. Re: Mixing meats, etc.
Posted by: "Margaret Martell" zahrammm1@yahoo.com zahrammm1
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

vadaski16 <vadaski16@yahoo.com> wrote:
but here's my main concern (for now): is it okay to mix two kinds of
meat (i.e. chicken + pork) in one meal?
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You can, but in my personal opinion, I wouldn't mix proteins if your dog is new to raw. Mixing more than one protein can result in tummy upset. BUT, on the other hand, some dogs have cast iron stomachs and can take the different variety without any kind of digestive upset. If it were me, I'd stick with one protein for a week or so and see how things go, then if no upsets, add in a new protein slowly.

and would you recommend adding veggie mush to his food every once in a
while?
******I wouldn't recommend it, dogs don't need veggies; but, again, you can feed this if you'd like. No nutritional value in it either..dogs' systems cannot digest veggies.

oh and what about fish? with the bone, it's still an RMB right? so
should i still mix it with muscle meat?
******Yes, I think it is still considered an RMB. You can mix it if you like, but again, being new, you may want to hold off on adding fish, especially oily ones, such as salmon or mackerel and some dogs hate fish, some love it...it's a know thy dog kind of thing here. Some feed fish as a whole meal with nothing else added, some add other good stuff. Time will tell if your dog likes fish or not, then you can decide if you want to add anything else to a fish meal.

I would just take it slow, feed one protein, see how things go, then start to branch out. This is a lifetime of feeding, so no need to rush in to all kinds of variety too soon.
Hope this is helpful.
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9a. Re: I second the request for a Sample Meal Plan!
Posted by: "helpshelteranimals" helpshelteranimals@yahoo.com helpshelteranimals
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:19 am ((PDT))

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> How can I determine what percentage of a chicken leg quarter is
bone?
> *****
> Neener neener, you can't.
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LOL! Thanks for the laugh!

> ...a good raw diet is like a good species
> appropriate diet for humans--you cannot get by on a stack of
> microwave dinners in the freezer.
> Chris O
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WHAT?! *blush* Well, I guess I had better be cleaning out my
freezer! (I joke of course)

Just wanted to thank Chris O. for the help she provides!

AG, Ruffian, Kali, Moe, Miss Kitty & Samantha, the half starved cat I
found

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9b. Re: I second the request for a Sample Meal Plan!
Posted by: "Pam Vojtas" pam.vojtas@datacore.com pvojtas
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:31 am ((PDT))

Thanks so much, Chris for taking the time to answer my 'gazillion'
questions - it was extremely helpful and I think I'm ready to go cold
turkey. Just a few questions about the answers:

1) So I'll use up the already-purchased chicken necks and not
repeat that purchasing mistake again. But do I have to toss the ground
stuff? (i.e. is it inherently bad, or just 'not as good'? )

2) What isn't 'edible' bone? Like a lamb shank or other big bones
form a pork roast or such? Is the definition of non-edible: 'if they
don't attempt to eat it, its not edible'?

3) So no rec bones at all? A marrow bone (note: I didn't bake so long as
to melt the marrow) would keep my boys busy for hours and hours - great
for nights when I'm out or when one or the other is off for training. So
do I stick with chewies like their bully sticks - also popular, but at
$3 a pop, pretty expensive.

Oh and just a couple comments, lest you think I'm not a responsible dog
owner :-)

Believe me, I will not starve poor Charlie, nor start competing before
its right for him. Its just I don't want to risk injury and so we have
been 'cutting back', adding more low-impact exercise in addition to
training (longer and additional walks adding some hills (well, golf
course greens)) and taking away any possibility that he scarfs up a bowl
of Fancy Feast. Its working, and yes, I am being patient.

And one other note on training treats. If you've been involved in
agility training, you hear constantly, especially in training new
behavious:

'reward BIG', give 'em a jackpot, toss a whole slab of chicken breast,
use high rates of reward, for big behaviours use highest regarded
treats, etc.

So here I was following instructions, with string cheese, deli chicken
breast and roast beef, hotdogs, liver chunks, etc and turning my little
athlete into a sausage! I have learned the error of my ways.... I've
gone more natural, used miniscule treats, etc. Any suggestions on how to
incorporate raw foods as training treats, though?

Thanks again,

Pam, Charlie and Quincy

p.s. I guess you'll tell me I should give up the Fancy Feast for the 8
kitties next :-)

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10.1. turkey necks
Posted by: "Maria Mariani" bestk9mama@sbcglobal.net born2run87
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:20 am ((PDT))

Hello to All-
My sweet wheelchair girl, Nicolette, seems to have decided not to eat
her turkey necks anymore. Hence, I have three packages in my freezer
that I wish to give to anyone who may live in or near Santa Monica,
CA. They are fresh and have remained frozen since purchased four or so
weeks ago.

Please email me directly at bestk9mama@sbcglobal.net

Love to all of your pups,
Maria and Guys

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11.1. Fish
Posted by: "michelleraia1" michelleraia1@yahoo.com michelleraia1
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:20 am ((PDT))

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We are planning a deep sea fishing trip in the Gulf.....What Gulf fish
is appropriate to feed? Specifically, are king fish and shark okay.
Also, how often can you feed fish?

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11.2. Re: Fish
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:47 am ((PDT))

"michelleraia1" <michelleraia1@...> wrote:
> We are planning a deep sea fishing trip in the Gulf.....What Gulf fish
> is appropriate to feed? Specifically, are king fish and shark okay.
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Here are two links that will help you decide what's useful for your
dogs and what is not:
http://www.oceansalive.org/eat.cfm?subnav=bestandworst
http://www.mbayaq.org/cr/seafoodwatch.asp

Also use Google to find information.

Also, how often can you feed fish?
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Depends on the dog, depends on the fish.
Some fish should be fed sparingly; some species can be fed more
frequently.

Fish that grow to a large adult size, that grow slowly and that are
predators or scavengers will probably have higher accumulated toxin
levels; fish that grow quickly to a small adult size would be
preferable.

Big, slow-growing fish should be feed less frequently--once or twice a
month or not at all; small, quick-maturing fish can be feed a couple
times a week, in rotation with other protein sources.

Shark seems to fit the "big and slow to develop" catagory; I'm not sure
about King Fish.
Chris O

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12a. Re: missing stuff in diet
Posted by: "Mike Devlin" mdevlin@aisle10.net emdeefa
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:28 am ((PDT))

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I think part of my confusion is that, say I started feeding him beef, since
the beef bones are too hard, wouldn't I need to give him something else so
that he gets his share of bone? like if I gave him a nice meaty cut of beef,
let him tear everything off the bone, then take the bone away. Should I
maybe supplement these meals with like a chicken theigh?

Or am i maybe overthinking this, and that all I need to do is not worry
about it on the days that I feed beef? and just have to have some days that
have more edible bone?

Ideally it would be nice if I could obtain everything he will need for his
diet from the supermarket when we do our normal shopping? but I cant seem to
find any organs other than chicken liver. Am i just not looking hard enough,
or is it just rare for the supermarket to have anything more, and that I
really need to go to an ethnic market or a butcher?

- Mike

On 7/24/07, Morledzep@aol.com <Morledzep@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 7/23/2007 8:11:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> mdevlin@aisle10.net <mdevlin%40aisle10.net> writes:
>
> since those bones are harder, should I be
> supplementing those meals with a more boney piece of chicken and taking
> away
> the beef/pork bones after he picks them clean?
>
> Mike,
>
> not necessary to suppliment with extra bones any time.. bare naked bones
> are
> a BAD thing. if the dog can't handle the bigger bones just feed something
> with a bone in it that he can eat tomorrow.. remember most folks feed too
> much
> bone, you only need about 10% edible bone in the entire diet.. which
> basically
> means there should be LOTS of boneless meals..
>
> Catherine R.
>
>

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13. HI Everyone
Posted by: "Gureet" gsingh_56@yahoo.com gsingh_56
Date: Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:29 am ((PDT))

Just wanted to say Hello. I am new to the group and have two 6 month
old boxers, whom I am currently transitioning to RAW. I think this is a
great diet and am glad to be a part of this Group.

Thanks,

Gureet

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