[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11830

There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Question: 8 week old puppy (Sambuca) need advice on next step
From: costrowski75
1b. Re: Question: 8 week old puppy (Sambuca) need advice on next step
From: Giselle

2. Looking for a raw co-op
From: schnauzers1015

3a. Re: dog sheading
From: MARADETH
3b. dog sheading
From: Ann-Marie Seiler

4. bone/meat ratio question
From: Ann-Marie Seiler

5. King Charles Spaniel Needs Excellent raw feeding home
From: patrickmb2@aol.com

6a. Re: Question: 8 week old puppy (Sambuca) need advice on next...
From: Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com
6b. Re: Question: 8 week old puppy (Sambuca) need advice on next...
From: Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com

7a. Re: 1st meal for 7 week old puppy
From: Alan & Andrea Southern

8. New Puppy, New to rawfeeding, Help!
From: Mary Ann

9. Why might a dog's liver be enlarged?
From: likeitornot2005

10a. Re: Slipper Elm Bark
From: Cdandp2@aol.com

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1a. Re: Question: 8 week old puppy (Sambuca) need advice on next step
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:26 pm ((PDT))

"Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:

> I too, was concerned about the 'no nutritional value' label being
> placed on gizzards, so I looked up a couple sites with nutritional and
> vitamin info;
> http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20Ag.html
> http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/health/chicken.htm
> They seem to be pretty fine in vitamin as well as the nutritional
> value, also.
*****
Make sure what you think are gizzards your references also think are
gizzards. It's my recollection (since I just did a similar comparison)
that the USDA database doesn't differentiate between giblets and
gizzards. At least I couldn't find USDA gizzards. If your sources are
clear on "gizzardness" then that's good news indeed.

Thanks.
Chris O

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1b. Re: Question: 8 week old puppy (Sambuca) need advice on next step
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:14 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Chris!
Both sites have separate listings for gizzards and giblets; altho'
they don't list what giblets consist of, its usually the heart, liver
and gizzards.
The listings of nutrients are different for gizzards and giblets on
both sites.
Also the nutritiondata.com site has detailed and exhaustive nutrition
listings for raw broiler/fryers vs capons vs roasting vs stewing
chickens. It has lists also for beef, turkey, pork, lamb, as well as
goat, venison, bison, rabbit and fish. It doesn't list emu or quail.
It also lists Omega 3 & 6 content and has an inflammatory rating.
'Course, since its a site for humans, it doesn't include edible bones.
All in all, very interesting, imo.
TC
Giselle

> *****
> Make sure what you think are gizzards your references also think are
> gizzards. It's my recollection (since I just did a similar comparison)
> that the USDA database doesn't differentiate between giblets and
> gizzards. At least I couldn't find USDA gizzards. If your sources are
> clear on "gizzardness" then that's good news indeed.
>
> Thanks.
> Chris O
>

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2. Looking for a raw co-op
Posted by: "schnauzers1015" havanese1@bellsouth.net schnauzers1015
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:38 pm ((PDT))

Hi all,

I'm new to this group but not new to raw feeding. Years ago when it
was called by the B name I fed my dogs raw. At the time I lived over
on the coast and was able to get chicken necks from a person who went
to Georgia to a packing plant and brought cases back to Jacksonville.
I now live too far away and the person is no longer going into
Georgia. My question is does anyone know of a food co-op in central
Florida where I could purchase raw for my dogs?

Thanx for any information you care to share.

Dolores

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3a. Re: dog sheading
Posted by: "MARADETH" maradethc@yahoo.com maradethc
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:58 pm ((PDT))

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nothing....i am a stay at home dog mom...we go to the park 3 times a week and walk the other nights. he loves the raw food... its just he is shedding more...in the shower was a ton... it doesnt look like he is going bald maybe this could be his winter coat....

costrowski75 <Chriso75@AOL.COM> wrote: "maradethc" <maradethc@...> wrote:
> Hi I am very new to raw diet. Almost a week. Is it ok that one of my
> dog and i have 3 is sheading...He is a lab shar pei mix and its
falling
> out a ton is that normal
*****
I doubt very much less than a week on raw food will produce such
immediate shedding. What else is going on in the dog's life?
Chris O

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3b. dog sheading
Posted by: "Ann-Marie Seiler" amseiler@earthlink.net annmarieseiler
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:22 pm ((PDT))

My pup shed drastically her first week on raw. It lasted about 2 weeks
and she got an entire new coat. It could also be the weather. What
part of the country are you in?

AM

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4. bone/meat ratio question
Posted by: "Ann-Marie Seiler" amseiler@earthlink.net annmarieseiler
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:22 pm ((PDT))

If I feed a diet consisting on chicken quarters and beef heart (say 1
meal of each a day) are my ratios going to be okay? I need to simplify
feeding for the next couple of months. I need something that will
require ZERO butchering. I can buy beef heart pre-cut in 1 1/2 lb
pieces and leg quarters can make up the rest of her poundage each day
with zero butchering. These two meats will are affordable

I know leg quarters are heavy on bone but heart doesn't have any so will
they balance each other out?

AM

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5. King Charles Spaniel Needs Excellent raw feeding home
Posted by: "patrickmb2@aol.com" patrickmb2@aol.com misspat_00
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:22 pm ((PDT))

I have an 18 month old pure bred neutered male King Charles Spaniel and need
to find him another home. I will keep him until I can find the right home for
him. I want him to continue being raw fed and am hoping for a home with either
other dogs to run and play with or some children for him to run around with.
He is as sweet as the day is long and I will miss him very much. However, I've
begun traveling a good bit and my husband is just simply not a good person to
responsibly care for him. I left him with each day's meal packaged and frozen
for a seven week period I was going to be gone. Came home to find him 8 lbs
heavier because he ate his own food and then the older dog's food as well.

I can take the little 4-1/2 lb dog with me but the Cavy is just a bit too
large for that. If you think you could provide this good home and are interested
please contact me off list. Thanks ~Pat

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6a. Re: Question: 8 week old puppy (Sambuca) need advice on next...
Posted by: "Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com" Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com irishcateyes1
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:22 pm ((PDT))

Hmm. . . good to know--will have to check Thanks! Tamatha

In a message dated 7/20/2007 11:26:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Chriso75@aol.com writes:

Make sure what you think are gizzards your references also think are
gizzards. It's my recollection (since I just did a similar comparison)
that the USDA database doesn't differentiate between giblets and
gizzards. At least I couldn't find USDA gizzards. If your sources are
clear on "gizzardness" then that's good news indeed.

Thanks.
Chris O

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6b. Re: Question: 8 week old puppy (Sambuca) need advice on next...
Posted by: "Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com" Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com irishcateyes1
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:22 pm ((PDT))

Thanks, Giselle! These are good references! Tamatha :)

Any dog can teach a child responsibility and commitment.

A German Shepherd Dog will show the child the meaning
of dedication.

"He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life,
his love, his leader. He will be yours faithful and true, to the last beat of
his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion." --Unknown

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7a. Re: 1st meal for 7 week old puppy
Posted by: "Alan & Andrea Southern" wykham@sa.chariot.net.au seawyndriana
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:22 pm ((PDT))

I am feeding our 5 week old Standard Poodle pups (9 of them) course minced chicken frames , chicken frames,turkey drumsticks and sheep tongues, they also chew on lamb flaps. They don't get a lot off the big stuff but they try that's why the mince. By the time they are 7-8 weeks they will demolish wings and frames.

Alan in Aldinga Beach South Australia
with the SP's Marli, Ella & Tango
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http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/wykham/TangoSPups
http://users.chariot.net.au/~wykham

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8. New Puppy, New to rawfeeding, Help!
Posted by: "Mary Ann" maryanndiaz@gmail.com liberalmary
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:23 pm ((PDT))

Hello!

I am very very new to raw feeding! I just got a new puppy, taking her
to the vet on monday but I'm guessing she is no older than 12-16
weeks. Shes a chiuaua/daschund? (maybe) mix. I'd never heard of raw
feeding so when I first got her a couple days ago I just bought some
puppy kibble but she would barely eat it, I couldn't get her to eat
more than a very small amount once a day, when this continued I
decided to do some research and thats how I came across raw feeding.

After reading several websites/opinions etc for a few hours I decided
to go out and buy some chicken wings and chicken liver and bring it
home to see how she'd like it. I got home and put a wing in her bowl
and she loved it!

I was so surprised that her little teeth could even get through the
bone, but she finished it completely! I then followed it up by giving
her a very small (couple of bites) of liver. I've decided that a raw
diet is the way to go, but I'm not going to go overboard with this
(like spending tons of time and money to feed my dog) I go to college
and work a full time job so the easier it is the better.

After looking into it I decided that doing veggies and fruits is
mostly unnecessary but I think I will do a fruit puree once or twice a
week as a treat/snack.

I was thinking about switching it up between:

Ground Turkey
Chicken neck/carcass etc
eggs w/ shell

Other than that I'm not quite sure what else to get her. That being
said here are my questions..

1. What are the best (cheap) types of meat I can get for her?

2. How often do I feed her RMBs? How often do I feed her at all? (she
is about a total of 3-5lbs at the most)

3.How much do I feed her (from what I've gathered for a puppy it
should be about 10% of her body weight)

4.Did your dogs experience diahrrea when you first started and how
long can expect to be enjoying that wonderful side effect?

5.Do the bones digest completely in her system? Should I grind since
she is so young and small? (I sooo do not have a grinder or know if I
can afford one...)

Basically, just give me any/all the advice you can about the best ways
to raw feed my dog without eating up an exorbitant amount of time and
money.

Thanks so much!

-Mary Ann-

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9. Why might a dog's liver be enlarged?
Posted by: "likeitornot2005" likeitornot2005@yahoo.com likeitornot2005
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 11:19 pm ((PDT))

My dog went in for a chest Xray and they said his liver was enlarged.
They asked a few questions and said it's probably nothing to worry
about. He's 5, raw fed and no vax.

He also had a blood test done a few months ago and the BUN was high
which was because he had eaten prior to the test. The fasted test the
BUN was normal. So I was wondering if this was also a raw thing too.
He also had undigested bones still in his stomach that were shown on
the Xray.

jes

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10a. Re: Slipper Elm Bark
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:48 am ((PDT))

I don't think the honey is necessary. Now that you mention the sugars part,
maybe I'll try it without next time I need to use SEB. Meanwhile, though, I
DO favor the boiling it up in water method to make a syrup which,
apparently, coats the stomach/GI tract better and prevents getting gummed up higher in
up. Do you think that's a myth? It's the way it was explained when I got
the recipe.

Carol for Spencer

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