[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11828

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Digestibility of Pork
From: Denise Strother
1b. Re: Digestibility of Pork
From: Yasuko herron
1c. Re: Digestibility of Pork
From: costrowski75

2a. getting discouraged
From: mensrea320@aol.com
2b. Re: getting discouraged
From: Andrea
2c. Re: getting discouraged
From: Yasuko herron
2d. Re: getting discouraged
From: carnesbill

3a. Heartworm positive?
From: Cdandp2@aol.com
3b. Re: Heartworm positive?
From: pet.wellness
3c. Re: Heartworm positive?
From: Tina Berry
3d. Re: Heartworm positive?
From: carnesbill
3e. ADMIN/Re: Heartworm positive?
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: pooping matter
From: Yasuko herron
4b. Re: pooping matter
From: ginny wilken

5. pork and chicken
From: esmolensky

6a. Re: Slipper Elm Bark
From: ginny wilken

7a. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
From: dinafinkpa
7b. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
From: Rob Bardenett
7c. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
From: dinafinkpa
7d. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
From: dinafinkpa
7e. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
From: costrowski75

8a. 1st meal for 7 week old puppy
From: gusmyhairyboy
8b. Re: 1st meal for 7 week old puppy
From: costrowski75
8c. Re: 1st meal for 7 week old puppy
From: Laura Atkinson

9a. Re: Sterilizing Crate
From: Diane Mulford

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1a. Re: Digestibility of Pork
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:03 am ((PDT))

Well, my dogs think "someone on another list" does not know what they
are talking about. I would like to know what this sage individual bases
this on. Denise

Someone on another list that I am on has said that pork is one of the
least digestible meats that are readily available for us to feed our
dogs.

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1b. Re: Digestibility of Pork
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:10 am ((PDT))

>pork is one of the least digestible meats that are readily available for us to feed our
>dogs.

Hi.I think it is not true.It just depend on individual dogs gutt ability to digest anything I think.
My dog do pretty well with pork. I know other dog do pretty good on lamb but my dog seem to have problem with that;sorely fed lamb cause loose/watery poo.

So, I am feeding just less/about 1oz of lamb with chicken or Turkey that she do well on for now and she is doing better.

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1c. Re: Digestibility of Pork
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:24 am ((PDT))

"Trish Chapman" <twotheark@...> wrote:
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> I did ask and she said something like one source of her information
was from
> a raw feeding list of 4000 and another was her holistic vet
*****
Trish, I spent (wasted?) a few hours trying to track this down.
There are only a few Yahoo dog nutrition lists that reach 4000
members and this is one of them. This list certainly does not
suggest pork protein is difficult to digest. I browsed the other
4000+ list archives and found two possibly implicated references to
digestibility.

There are a few other nutrition lists with significant memberships
but neither are close to 4000, so I ignored them. And of course
there's no way I'm going to find and search the bazillion nonYahoo
groups, lists and forums. So if you can get from this person the name
of the list, that might help in understanding the perspective.

Here is what I know:
1. Fatty foods (meat or otherwise) are generally more difficult to
digest than non-fatty foods.

2. Dogs with hepatic encephalopathy (a liver disease) may require a
diet that restricts ammonia production. Red meat (any red meat not
not pork) would be restricted when treating a dog with the disease in
order to reduce heme (iron) and nitrogen compounds.

So. A healthy raw fed dog should be able to digest fat, regardless
of what protein it comes attached to. And a healthy raw fed dog
should be able to process both heme and nitrogenous waste without
harming either liver or kidneys.

The extent to which a dog is not healthy (and how--specifically--the
dog is not healthy) determines how much fat and ammongenic red meat
may be fed. There is no indication at all that pork protein is any
worse or better than other red meats. And there is no indication
that any red meat should be restricted if HE is not present.

Given that our dogs--and the wolves they rode in on--are constructed
to dine on and thrive on ungulates (ruminants or otherwise), it would
seem that such meals would not be harmful to a healthy dog, and would
be beneficial in some fashion to all but a few specifically unhealthy
dogs.

I suspect pork was singled out of the entire red meat spectrum
because pork has historically been a major fall guy. Given
that "holistic" can mean whatever the practitioner wants it to mean,
only her holistic vet can explain her holistic opinions.

You might want to google "hepatic encephalopathy dogs" or "ammongenic
foods" for more information.
Chris O

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2a. getting discouraged
Posted by: "mensrea320@aol.com" mensrea320@aol.com lespoulets2003
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:05 am ((PDT))

I need some encouragement. I have been feeding two dogs raw for about 5-6
months now. I obviously am not feeding enough. My one dog, who has always
been very skinny, is now sickly skinny. He is a sight hound mutt, so he is
supposed to be very skinny. His energy level is off the roof, even w/his sickly
skinny body. My other 12 year old beagle/lab mix has lost quite a bit of
weight. I can just barely see his ribs now. So I know I need to feed him more
too.

When I try to feed them other stuff beside chicken, or mix some liver in
w/their chicken they have very loose bowel movements. Sometimes they can't hold
it to go outside.

I switched my cat to raw about 2 months ago. She has only eaten chicken and
canned tuna. I know I need to mix it up more for her too. Her health (tear
stains and puking) have disappeared, but now she is not using her litter box
and my house smells like cat pee.

So I need some advice and encouragement please!

Holly

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2b. Re: getting discouraged
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:09 am ((PDT))

Maybe you are trying to introduce the new stuff too quickly for
them? How much food are they eating right now, and how much do they
weigh? You might add a small breakfast or snack time for them if you
haven't done that already. I might also suggest feeding something
super boney, like a chicken back when you introduce new meaty meats.
What foods have you tried adding besides liver? Do the dogs do ok
with the organs that come with the chicken?

Cats can be really hard to switch over, mine took about a year before
they were eating a decent variety. Two foods they really loved from
the get-go were pork meat and turkey heart, you might try those
foods. Also, we have a sister list, rawcat, where lots of cat
specialists can probably help with the litterbox problem. I myself
have one cat who randomly decides that my planters/closet are special
litterboxes just for him. So far, I have succeeded in finding a
cleaner that eliminates the cat pee odor, but other than putting a
litterbox in the closet corner, I don't have any other ideas. Sorry.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, mensrea320@... wrote:
>
> I need some encouragement. I have been feeding two dogs raw for
> about 5-6 months now. I obviously am not feeding enough. My one
> dog, who has always been very skinny, is now sickly skinny. He is
> a sight hound mutt, so he is supposed to be very skinny. His
> energy level is off the roof, even w/his sickly skinny body. My
> other 12 year old beagle/lab mix has lost quite a bit of weight.
> I can just barely see his ribs now. So I know I need to feed him
> more too.

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2c. Re: getting discouraged
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:47 am ((PDT))

>When I try to feed them other stuff beside chicken, or mix some liver in w/their chicken >they have very loose bowel movements. Sometimes they can't hold it to go outside.

Hi. I am still newbie(being feeding raw for 2 months and some weeks) but I too experienced bad poo days from my dog.

Once Ginny has told me that if you see the loose/watery poo,add more bone and that would firm up some and do not need to get alarm for that,but have to be careful how much bone you give so that the dog not going to have oposit problems;constipation.

Also, Gisell and some others suggested using Slippery Elm barks to sooth the intestine.
You maybe can get help from it?

Maybe the mix of meat with chicken has more meat than they can handle so they may need more bone in it to match it up with maybe? Or liver amount was more than they can handle? Too much liver cause loose poo so,I feed 1 oz tops to my 30lb+ dog.That is her 10% number.If I feed kidney with liver,I feed,5% each. My dog handle pretty well with that amount.

Or just like my lamb problem dog,you maybe need more chicken than other mixed meat say beef or pork or whatever.That could control their poo better.

My dog seem not being able to be good on one single lamb meal and it produce loose poo (she can control though),and it seems if I feed less than 1oz or very small amount of lamb with chicken,she seems better.

I hope this helps you bit

yassy

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2d. Re: getting discouraged
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:48 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, mensrea320@... wrote:
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> He is a sight hound mutt, so he is
> supposed to be very skinny. His energy level is off the
> roof, even w/his sickly
> skinny body.

If by "off the roof" you mean he has a lot of energy, I wouldn't
worry about him. He may very well be at his perfect weight. I know
anytime I see a sight hound I always wonder how they can survive
with such little meat on their bones.

> My other 12 year old beagle/lab mix has lost quite a bit of
> weight. I can just barely see his ribs now. So I know I need
> to feed him more too.

"Barely see his ribs" is not too big a deal either. Thin elderly
dogs are better than fat elderly dogs. If you want him to gain
weight, you might add a small meal to his diet. I question whether
he really needs the extra weight particularly at his age.

> When I try to feed them other stuff beside chicken, or mix
> some liver in
> w/their chicken they have very loose bowel movements.

Try adding a little other stuff in very small amounts with chicken.
Gradually add more and more with less and less chicken. They really
don't need much liver or organs at all. One small tiny little glob
a week for each should be plenty.

> I switched my cat to raw about 2 months ago. She has only
> eaten chicken and
> canned tuna. I know I need to mix it up more for her too.

My cats are indoor/outdoor cats and often catch wild prey outside so
I don't worry if 90% of thier indoor diet is chicken. You might
offer her a little ground beef or ground venison if you have it
available. I'm talking like a meal a week.

> now she is not using her litter box
> and my house smells like cat pee.

Thats a behavior problem and not a diet problem.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3a. Heartworm positive?
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:05 am ((PDT))

Anyone on this list have experience with heartworm positive dogs? Please
refer me. I don't think this is the place to actually discuss it.
Thanks.
Carol for Spencer (who btw seems to be doing quite well o his raw diet so
far...going into third month...but still scratching and biting himself to
bits...sigh).

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3b. Re: Heartworm positive?
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:09 am ((PDT))

No experience with heart worm positive dogs. Sorry. I can recommend a
pet shampoo called Theraneem for the scratch and itch. More frequent
bathing with this helps to break the cycle. Also taking my dog off
chicken seems to make a difference. All the best. Pamela

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cdandp2@... wrote:
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> Anyone on this list have experience with heartworm positive dogs?
Please
> refer me. I don't think this is the place to actually discuss it.

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3c. Re: Heartworm positive?
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:48 am ((PDT))

"Anyone on this list have experience with heartworm positive dogs?"

Hop on over to these two lists - one of them has in the files or posts
natural cures for HW dogs.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TruthAboutVaccines/

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/jstsayno2vaccs/
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Tina Berry
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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3d. Re: Heartworm positive?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:03 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cdandp2@... wrote:
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> Anyone on this list have experience with heartworm positive dogs?
Please
> refer me.

If the infestation is not real heavy, put him on heartguard every 30
days. This will kill the newborn heartworms so the infestation
doesn't increase. The adults that are there now will die of old age
in a couple of years.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3e. ADMIN/Re: Heartworm positive?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:27 am ((PDT))

The rawfeeding list is not the place to discuss HW remedies. The OP
very properly asked to be referred to appropriate sites (for which I
thank the OP!) so please, other than to offer links to other more
suitable locations, let's not get into HW treatment.

At all.
Chris O
Mod Team

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4a. Re: pooping matter
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:04 am ((PDT))

>tonight is a slab of pork ribs and some grassfed beef liver.

Hi,Ginny.I fed Buffalo Ribs last night and her poop got back to normal thanks to your advise.Thank you so much.

She took about 60 min for that dinner and she stripped off meat pretty good and was having hard time getting good bite of bones and I was starting wondering if she cannot eat bone due too dense even though it is a rib.

After 30 minutes or so,she finally cracked the bone and play bow posture with paws on ribs and stripped silver skin?? and then she ate half of rib bones.

Beef rib in the past took her to finish all off about 90 min so,Buffalo Ribs were next challenging meal I think.The piece was meaty enough;about 2 inch meat on it and she enjoyed it a lot with some herding play in the end.

She walked off the curtain area with some fragments still on the curtain so I picked it up and tossed it.

With ball fetching play and some walks and training and loong tedious meal,she got knocked out at night and she was sleeping in the crate still whe I woke up and came out from the shower.I literally woke her up by opening the crate..

I hope she does ok today too.

Thank you again for your advise and,it is nice to know that you care your dog very much and he is so lucky to have a knowledgeble caring owner around him all time.

Having a dog really add spice to my life. I am glad to have palette with me and have joined in list and feed best diet and get her be healthy and learn more about overall best care possible .

I am very satisfied with all those.

Thank you all too and I hope to learn even a single thing a day and become more knowledgeble than yesterday:-P

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4b. Re: pooping matter
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:51 am ((PDT))

On Jul 20, 2007, at 9:01 AM, Yasuko herron wrote:
> Hi,Ginny.I fed Buffalo Ribs last night and her poop got back to
> normal thanks to your advise.Thank you so much.
>
> She took about 60 min for that dinner and she stripped off meat
> pretty good and was having hard time getting good bite of bones and
> I was starting wondering if she cannot eat bone due too dense even
> though it is a rib.
>
> After 30 minutes or so,she finally cracked the bone and play bow
> posture with paws on ribs and stripped silver skin?? and then she
> ate half of rib bones.

I think this is a pretty remarkable performance for a Corgi,
especially one fairly new to raw. Good work, Palette!

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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5. pork and chicken
Posted by: "esmolensky" esmolensky@yahoo.com esmolensky
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:36 am ((PDT))

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If I can only get chicken and pork(budget issues)as my only protein
> source, is that still ok along with other or same(chicken) organs?

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6a. Re: Slipper Elm Bark
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:40 am ((PDT))

On Jul 20, 2007, at 4:30 AM, Cdandp2@aol.com wrote:

> Someone asked why I add honey (sorry, I lost the e-mail as I was
> responding
> to it....love my AOL...NOT).
>
> But I think it's just for taste. The SEB is really bitter and my
> dog takes
> it better with the honey. If it has another function, I don't
> know what it
> is. The recipe was given to me by someone on my kidney list a few
> years ago.
>
> Carol for Spencer

Thank you; it was my post. This is why I suggest cream or broth. Just
in general principle, I don't prefer to pervert a dog's taste by
providing any form of concentrated sugars. As I said, just in
principle, due to my long standing adherence to natural diet for both
species....

ginny and Tomo

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7a. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
Posted by: "dinafinkpa" dinafinkpa@yahoo.com dinafinkpa
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:02 am ((PDT))

Thank you for your advice. I will keep you posted and I appreciate all the help.
Dina

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Casey Post" <mikken@...> wrote:
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>
> >>can I go cold turkey on the Pred?
>
> No, absolutely not! That would be disasterous, to say the least.
>
> >Or
> > should I ween her off it gradually?
>
> Gradually - as in *VERY* gradually. If this dog has been on Pred for six
> years (!), you will want to take this extremely, extremely slowly. And
> remember, diet is the foundation of good health, but it is by no means a
> cure-all.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Casey
>

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7b. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
Posted by: "Rob Bardenett" rbee29@gmail.com salinastarroute
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:12 am ((PDT))

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My cattledog was just diagnosed with IBD and the vet wants to start her on
prednisone. Any advice on foregoing the prednisone and just treating this by
going with a raw diet for the rest of her life?
Thanks,
Rob Bardenett

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7c. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
Posted by: "dinafinkpa" dinafinkpa@yahoo.com dinafinkpa
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:12 am ((PDT))

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Jeni,
Thank you so much for your sound advice. I myself have been on Pred and it's not fun to
come off it. I will wait a few months for the diet to kick in (Candie's very happy getting her
chicken!) before I wean her off the Pred. I'm a total newbie to a message board but am
thrilled with the great advice and kindness of the members. I will keep you posted on her
progress. My 3 year old Labradoodle Dixie (who has no health issues) is going raw, too,
so it will be interesting to note differences, if any, in the two dogs.

Thanks again,
Dina

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7d. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
Posted by: "dinafinkpa" dinafinkpa@yahoo.com dinafinkpa
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:35 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Rob Bardenett" <rbee29@...> wrote:
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Any advice on foregoing the prednisone and just treating this by
> going with a raw diet for the rest of her life?

Rob,
Once our dog was on the Pred I couldn't get her off it. It's been 6 years; Pred has lots of side
effects and will shorten the lifespan of your dog. I don't know what IDB is, but my dog had
allergies and I tried shots, acupuncture and every allergy medicine available. Pred was the
only thing that stopped her scratching her self raw - she hardly has any fur because she
would scratch it all away. I just started yesterday with the raw and I know it doesn't always
work but I am willing to try it for the sake of my dog - she is only 7!

So I would suggest only starting the Pred if you must; and use the very least amount that will
help. If your dog can handle not going on the Pred right away, and you can wait for the diet
to kick in, I would think that would be your best route. This is just from my own experience;
I'm not an expert. You don't want your dog to be uncomfortable.

Dina

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7e. Re: Prednisone and raw feeding
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:56 am ((PDT))

"Rob Bardenett" <rbee29@...> wrote:
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> My cattledog was just diagnosed with IBD and the vet wants to start
her on
> prednisone. Any advice on foregoing the prednisone and just
treating this by
> going with a raw diet for the rest of her life?
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No pred, at least not now. Now--until you find out otherwise--there
are lifestyle management options that you should try. Pred just
turns off the immune system, and once it's off it's hard to turn back
on.

You will have to work on finding the most appropriate raw diet for
your girl and most likely you will be adjusting it for some time.
OTOH, that's what every responsible raw feeder does, so don't feel
like the Lone Ranger.

You will also need to investigate digestive enzymes and various other
dietary supplements. The combination of optimal menu, appropriate
supplements and cleaning up the girl's environment plus time,
patience and fortitude should bring her to stable ground.

It's entirely possible though that just getting her onto a
personalized raw diet will resolve the symptoms. Sometimes life
really is that simple.

Stick with us. We can help.
Chris O

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8a. 1st meal for 7 week old puppy
Posted by: "gusmyhairyboy" gusmyhairyboy@charter.net gusmyhairyboy
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:03 am ((PDT))

Hi,Suzie G. here

Our Golden puppy comes home today. We won't be getting to our house
till after midnight. The breeder has been feeding twice a day Iams
Large puppy. When she gets home I'll be introducing her to 1 Newf,1
Golden,and 4 cats. Not to mention a new yard to poop in(in the dark)
and a gated off kitchen.She will sleep in the crate she arrives in.
(if we get any sleep!! :) ) All of this after midnight.(and after
a 90 min plane ride and a 3 hr. car ride in the dark)

What do you recomend I feed her for her first meal. She will
probably be starving.(maybe was given 1 meal in the morning) I was
thinking of putting down a chicken breast with ribs and skin.
Possibly ribbon cutting some of the meat. Does this sound O.K.? I
was going to let her eat as much as she wanted. (before or after
intros?, she won't have much time to explore, I was going to intro
to the dogs through baby gates ) Should I take the skinall off for
the first meal? leave some on?

This is all very exciting. I've fed adult dogs raw for 9yrs but
never a puppy.

Thankyou!!

Suzie G.,Gus My Hairy Boy (Newf-8 yrs),Beautiful ,Red Delilah and 4
cats ( none of them can even imagine what is about to HIT them!!)

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8b. Re: 1st meal for 7 week old puppy
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:28 am ((PDT))

"gusmyhairyboy" <gusmyhairyboy@...> wrote:
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> Hi,Suzie G. here
>
> Our Golden puppy comes home today. We won't be getting to our house
> till after midnight. The breeder has been feeding twice a day Iams
> Large puppy. When she gets home I'll be introducing her to 1 Newf,1
> Golden,and 4 cats. Not to mention a new yard to poop in(in the
dark)
> and a gated off kitchen.She will sleep in the crate she arrives in.
> (if we get any sleep!! :) ) All of this after midnight.(and after
> a 90 min plane ride and a 3 hr. car ride in the dark)
>
> What do you recomend I feed her for her first meal.
*****
Given the amount of turmoil involved in getting from first home to
forever home, it would be my choice to feed a token amount of
uncomplicated food (like skinless, boneless chicken) as the first
meal. I would choose to wait til morning for a "real" meal, just so
I could coherently monitor progress.

No question the first real meal can be rib in chicken breast; pull
the skin if you want to play it safe.

Have fun, be patient--Rome wasn't built in a day.
Chris O

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8c. Re: 1st meal for 7 week old puppy
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:30 am ((PDT))

I think that sounds like a perfect plan for her first meal. I would
cut through the skin for her, just to give her something to grip while
she figures things out...you may have to do that for all of a day or
two :-)

I would, however, not worry about feeding dinner, or give her some
easy boneless snack when you get home and start on the real stuff the
next morning.

On 7/20/07, gusmyhairyboy <gusmyhairyboy@charter.net> wrote:
> What do you recomend I feed her for her first meal. She will
> probably be starving.(maybe was given 1 meal in the morning) I was
> thinking of putting down a chicken breast with ribs and skin.
> Possibly ribbon cutting some of the meat. Does this sound O.K.? I
> was going to let her eat as much as she wanted. (before or after
> intros?, she won't have much time to explore, I was going to intro
> to the dogs through baby gates ) Should I take the skinall off for
> the first meal? leave some on?
>
>
> This is all very exciting. I've fed adult dogs raw for 9yrs but
> never a puppy.
>
> Thankyou!!
>
> Suzie G.,Gus My Hairy Boy (Newf-8 yrs),Beautiful ,Red Delilah and 4
> cats ( none of them can even imagine what is about to HIT them!!)
>

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.kaossiberians.com

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9a. Re: Sterilizing Crate
Posted by: "Diane Mulford" windtalker0955@yahoo.com feedthesparrows
Date: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:17 am ((PDT))

I'm new to group and rawfeeding, have a cocker & 2 mini-doxies. The cocker kept getting sick on raw, so my vet (homeo) said to go VERY slow, begin with bones. I'm giving chicken necks/backs and heard the neighbor's cat catch a mouse/rat this week--I'm wondering if the bones left outside are attracting rats. The dogs will not eat bones in the crate if I close the door on the crate. If out of the crate they drag the bones all over. I have arthritis and can't clean my kitchen floor daily, am also unable to close off the kitchen. Any suggestions?
Diane

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