[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11826

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: where do i feed the dogs
From: Sonja
1b. Re: where do i feed the dogs
From: millser25
1c. Re: where do i feed the dogs
From: Yasuko herron
1d. Re: where do i feed the dogs
From: Dorianne Almann
1e. Re: where do i feed the dogs
From: Alan & Andrea Southern

2a. Re: cat gaining weight since i switched from rabbit to chicken
From: Yasuko herron
2b. Re: cat gaining weight since i switched from rabbit to chicken
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: soft stools
From: pet.wellness

4a. Re: An Intro & A Question about Salmonella in Small Breed Pups
From: susan/foxfire

5a. why is my dog not eating???
From: celebrationcookies
5b. Re: why is my dog not eating???
From: Andrea
5c. Re: why is my dog not eating???
From: carolyn arnold

6a. Re: Pancreatitis
From: Elizabeth
6b. Re: Pancreatitis
From: Ross Senger
6c. Re: Pancreatitis
From: tottime47
6d. Re: Pancreatitis
From: Sandee Lee

7. Newie to raw feeding needs advice
From: lmustoe

8a. Re: pooping matter
From: Yasuko herron
8b. Re: pooping matter
From: ginny wilken

9a. Re: Sterilizing Crate
From: Ash
9b. Re: Sterilizing Crate
From: Morledzep@aol.com

10a. Re: Dogs normally gain weight after being on raw diet a while and lo
From: Yasuko herron

11a. Re: question about bone meals
From: verrelli

12a. Re: Dogs normally gain weight after being on raw diet a while and lo
From: Laurie Swanson

13a. Re: Regarding Fats and Oils
From: ginny wilken

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1a. Re: where do i feed the dogs
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:42 am ((PDT))

When we bought the house we have now, there were some ugly but super-high quality curtains (thick!). They were lined and everything. I threw them in the washer and now they make wonderful mats for feeding animal parts to my dog.

I think the former owner of the house would have a heart attack if she knew. :-)

But since not all of us have ugly curtains to feed our dogs on, my second choice would be a vinyl tablecloth.

Sonja

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1b. Re: where do i feed the dogs
Posted by: "millser25" millser25@yahoo.com millser25
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:15 pm ((PDT))

I have a folding pen that we put our boy in at feeding time. My hubby
doesn't like putting the metal pen on the wood floor in the kitchen (I
totally agree), and our doggie is a BIG boy, so, he would tear up a
shower curtain/ plastic film and he needs too much area for a square
of vinyl to make sense. So, I've got an old carpet scrap that I just
roll out for him and encircle with the folding pen. After he eats, I
just lysol it down, roll it back up and put it away. I can't say it
is the most sanitary, but we haven't had any problems yet. Sometimes
I just toss it outside and let him eat on the lawn.

Just out of curiosity, what sort of mess are your dogs making on the
porch? Is it just that the porch is becoming contaminated, or is
there blood/scraps left on the porch?

Erica

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1c. Re: where do i feed the dogs
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:18 pm ((PDT))

>he would tear up a shower curtain/ plastic film

Hi.I just thought you are thinking about very light weight cotton or plastic shower curtain when you read my posting maybe? What I meant was heavy waterproof vynile shower curtrain that you normally hung inside to shower,not outside one.I got it at Bed bath beyond around 14 dollars with 5 dollar coupon so,it was 9 dolars curtain but it lasts long enough.Dog can tore this heavy thick vynile shower curtain too if the dog was Dane or other huge dog??

Depending on doggy size,this may not good mat for feeding,but for my corgi dog,it is enough and she relax and eat on it nicely.

I used to use picnic vynile table cloth (2 dollars) but,it tore easily when I washed.

this shower curtain does not tear.

It is up to feeders what to use to feed meal on but for me,this is my fav mat to feed on.

yassy

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1d. Re: where do i feed the dogs
Posted by: "Dorianne Almann" rottienh@hotmail.com rottieruckus
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:20 pm ((PDT))

I just moved our Rottie foster boy to raw June 26. Our two personal
girls are moving to raw, too.

FB eats on the lawn on one side of the house. One girl eats on the
other side of the house. Second girl eats in the front yard.

So, short answer--the dogs are fed on the lawns. This will likely
continue during the winter as I love shoveling snow and shovel paths
around the house where SO doesn't plow.

BTW--There's no problem with them eating anything on the lawns. Our
property was an organic farm before we bought it about 12 years ago.
We don't put anything down on the grounds/gardens except mulch from
our composters or horse manure from friends.

As far as one of your dogs not liking raw chicken: One of the girls
wasn't sure she initially liked raw sardines. When she didn't eat it,
I took it away from her, then chopped it into pieces that I mixed with
her dinner. She ate everything. Mox now eats sardines whole.

Dori

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> Hi I have a question? Where do you feed your dogs the raw food. Its
> making a big mess on the porch.
> And one of my dogs wont eat the raw chicken...what do you think i
> should do. my other 2 dogs love it
> thanks
>

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1e. Re: where do i feed the dogs
Posted by: "Alan & Andrea Southern" wykham@sa.chariot.net.au seawyndriana
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:42 pm ((PDT))

Ours eat on the lawn and the cats in the laundry or bat room on tiles...

Alan in Aldinga Beach South Australia
with the SP's Marli, Ella & Tango
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http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/wykham/TangoSPups
http://users.chariot.net.au/~wykham

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2a. Re: cat gaining weight since i switched from rabbit to chicken
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:51 am ((PDT))

>Rabbit is generally leaner than chicken, depending of course of what chicken parts you are >feeding and whatever else is on the menu.

Hi,Chris.I do not have cat but my dog gained at least with vet office scale 4 lbs since cange from kibble to raw.

If chicken was more calorie taking meat then,chicken is making her gain weight?

Up to today,I have fed sorely chicken,beef,pork,Turkey for a week or so each protin and fish 2 times a week and since I having problem with lamb lately(she is fed lamb for 2 weeks this week),I am using chicken with lamb combo meal since chicken is her base meal(does well on) and it has small amount of lamb in chicken meal.

Would that be gaining cause?

Just a thought.

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2b. Re: cat gaining weight since i switched from rabbit to chicken
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:09 pm ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> Hi,Chris.I do not have cat but my dog gained at least with vet
office scale 4 lbs since cange from kibble to raw.
>
> If chicken was more calorie taking meat then,chicken is making
her gain weight?
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The big three reasons for weight gain are
--Too many calories eaten.
--Too few calories expended.
--Undiagnosed health issue.

All things being equal, if chicken has more calories than other foods
then weight gain would be a reasonable result.

But all things are rarely equal, so weight gain could also be a
result of too little exercise or a health problem.

> Up to today,I have fed sorely chicken,beef,pork,Turkey for a week
or so each protin and fish 2 times a week and since I having problem
with lamb lately(she is fed lamb for 2 weeks this week),I am using
chicken with lamb combo meal since chicken is her base meal(does well
on) and it has small amount of lamb in chicken meal.
>
> Would that be gaining cause?
*****
Frankly, I don't see this weight gain as chicken's fault but rather a
simple result of calorie intake exceeding calorie outgo. If you are
feeding her the bare minimum and she's a super athlete, then perhaps
a vet visit is in order.
Chris O

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3a. Re: soft stools
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:17 pm ((PDT))

More bone will harden up stools. As for nutrients, don't be
brainwashed by pet food manufacturer's who claim to infuse so much
"goodness" into bad stuff. Try to relax and go with the flow. If your
dog gets a decent variety of raw foods over time, she will be eating
plenty of nutrition. You need to give it more time. Pamela

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> Hi my 8 week old puppy has been on raw chicken for about 5 days now
> and she still has soft stools. I've tried smaller meals 3 times a day
> and I've also tried larger meals ie whole thigh with back attatched.

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4a. Re: An Intro & A Question about Salmonella in Small Breed Pups
Posted by: "susan/foxfire" fxfireob@mac.com thadnsusan
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:43 pm ((PDT))

Well I heard back from the breeder today, after sending her a
wonderfully informative email with lots of links I got a very short
and vague reply. It seems she now believes us but I don't think I
impacted her prejudges on raw diet. It feels like we're getting
blown off and now we're sort of "black listed" because we feed raw,
so I guess we will be looking for a new breeder/breed:) We are sad
because it makes Modi's loss that much more painful. I wish we knew
an enlightened breeder. But I want to really thank people like those
on this group, who are there for others when they need support, it
makes a difference so don't underestimate it.

Many Thanks,
Susan
Austin, Tx
fxfireob@mac.com

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, at 3:06 PM, bluegracepwd wrote:

> find another breeder. Clearly you do not want to buy a dog from
> someone who doesn't feed raw in any case.
>
> My toy poodles are smaller than your dogs, and to suggest that the
> size of the dog is effected differently from bacteria is ludicrious.
>
> - Jane

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5a. why is my dog not eating???
Posted by: "celebrationcookies" celebrationcookies@yahoo.com celebrationcookies
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 12:47 pm ((PDT))

My GSD has been successfully eating raw for a month now. BUT, 2 days
ago she quit eating. She got into some kibble and ate THAT!!! She has
not had that in weeks! I don't understand. Help!! Thanks Carolyn

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5b. Re: why is my dog not eating???
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:19 pm ((PDT))

Has anything changed? Is a new kind of food being offered, did you
shop at a different store, buy a different brand? Did she begin to
refuse food after she got into ki**le, and how did she "get into
some"? Is her activity level ok? Since the temp has been rising, my
GSP eats a fraction of what he was eating two months ago.

Andrea

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> My GSD has been successfully eating raw for a month now. BUT, 2 days
> ago she quit eating. She got into some kibble and ate THAT!!! She
has
> not had that in weeks! I don't understand. Help!! Thanks Carolyn
>

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5c. Re: why is my dog not eating???
Posted by: "carolyn arnold" celebrationcookies@yahoo.com celebrationcookies
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:16 pm ((PDT))

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I began offering some liver into her diet and she ate it right up. I think that she may LOVE the liver and the chicken is not such a great thing compared to the liver. Maybe she is getting fussy???? no differrence in temp. Texas...hot!!

Andrea <poketmouse45@yahoo.com> wrote: Has anything changed? Is a new kind of food being offered, did you
shop at a different store, buy a different brand? Did she begin to
refuse food after she got into ki**le, and how did she "get into
some"? Is her activity level ok? Since the temp has been rising, my
GSP eats a fraction of what he was eating two months ago.

Andrea

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> My GSD has been successfully eating raw for a month now. BUT, 2 days
> ago she quit eating. She got into some kibble and ate THAT!!! She
has
> not had that in weeks! I don't understand. Help!! Thanks Carolyn
>

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6a. Re: Pancreatitis
Posted by: "Elizabeth" lizabeth_us@yahoo.com lizabeth_us
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:18 pm ((PDT))

Hi,
My rescue came down with pancreatitis a couple of months after we
got her. The vet said it was the raw diet. I did at that time have
her on prednisone-not knowing any better. When I took her out of
the hospital I started slow feeding her. Small meals and I gave her
cooked beef with rice. I did this for a week and then started
giving her more raw and less cooked and less rice and then she was
good again. She did have some light diarrhea. She also has low
thyroid and I attribute that to her being over vaccinated. I don't
know anything about Lupus and any restrictions with that, I'm sure
others know much more about that than me. But I do believe you will
be able to your baby on raw again.
Elizabeth

I've been reading along off and on for about a month...
>
> We have two Tibetian Terriers. We fed them a raw diet for about
two years, stopping about
> two years ago.
>
> One of our dogs pulled a pound of raw butter off the counter, and
they devoured the
> whole thing. One dog got diarrhea - just what I would expect - but
the other went into
> pancreatic shock.
>
> We took him to the clinic where they gave him lots of tests - of
course - and then put him
> on fluids for a day. They gave us some pills to manage the pain
and for some other now
> forgotten things.
>
> Ever since that incident, he has been VERY sensitive to fat.
Feeding him raw meat
> produced and produces severe diarrhea. We went back to the kibble
diet with occasional
> raw meat.
>
> He has since developed Lupus and a low thyroid condition.
>
> I'm a raw vegan. I get totally understand that he needs to be
eating a raw diet.
>
> What I haven't been able to get past is the diarrhea. If it were a
human, I'd say they were
> getting the nutrition they need, so the body has started to
eliminate it's toxic load. I'd say
> that this unpleasant situation will pass. And stay close to the
toilet!
>
> The only strategy I can come up with is to transition very slowly.
>
> Has anyone else out there experienced anything similar? And
navigated through it
> successfully?
>

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6b. Re: Pancreatitis
Posted by: "Ross Senger" rosssenger@shaw.ca rosssenger
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:57 pm ((PDT))

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> I have been raw feeding for approx. 10 years and recently have
> had 2 dogs diagnosed and subsequently died of pancreatitis. When I
> began raw feeding, someone warned me about not feeding too much
> protein because they may develop pancreatitis. Has anyone else had
> this happen or heard of this?
*****

My Great Dane Diesel was "diagnosed" with pancreatitis about 1/2 a
year ago. There are many varying levels of the disease ranging from a
sore tummy brought on from a really rich meal to chronic cases where
what they eat can really affect there health.

It is a tough thing to diagnose because, like Chris O stated, there
are usually underlying problems.

When Diesel was diagnosed I followed the vet instructions and fed him
boiled ground beef and rice for a week. I then switched back to the
vet prescribed kibble (expensive stuff). Diesel started having the
same symptoms right away.... after spending (in my humble opinion)
too much time and money on the Ki**le junk the vet was putting in my
dogs bowl I took the plunge and went raw.

Diesel now has no symptoms, hardly ever goes to the vet, and eats
whatever he wants as long at its meat and its raw. He can handle full
3 lb meal of bison heart.

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6c. Re: Pancreatitis
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:23 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Ross Senger" <rosssenger@...> wrote:
I have been raw feeding for approx. 10 years and recently have
> > had 2 dogs diagnosed and subsequently died of pancreatitis.

Hi Ross,

Were these dogs fed raw for 10 yrs? What kind of dogs were they?

Did they have any symptoms or was it sudden?

Were you doing regular blood panels?

Were you giving them any supplements? enzymes?

Just asking questions as this seems to be a common problem in a lot
of the dogs I know.....mostly those on k***le.......

Carol

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6d. Re: Pancreatitis
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:32 pm ((PDT))

We have discussed this many times in the past...if you do a search on
pancreatitis or EPI you will find a lot of info. Here is a small sampling
of past messages.....
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/122181
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/122224
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/91117
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/60393
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/message/88618

Sandee & the Dane Gang

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7. Newie to raw feeding needs advice
Posted by: "lmustoe" lmustoe@yahoo.co.uk lmustoe
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:24 pm ((PDT))

Hi all
I've just got a 9 week old boxerxpointer and i want to start her on raw
but i was wondering how much and which meat would be best for her.
Any advice would be much appreiciated.
Kindest Regards
Lee

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8a. Re: pooping matter
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:36 pm ((PDT))

>if the dog is not eating solid food for one reason or another, that one may mix the slippery >elm powder in some broth or cream to get it into the dog.

Hi,Ginny! Thanks! Now I know what you meant. so,if you see firmer stool,you stop giving Elms and then see how she/he does then. I do not want to fully rely on probiotic/Elms and I like to see her gutt can handle by itself so,that method will be great.

>Color doesn't matter, but it is very watery and uncontrollable, even explosive. It may >contain solid bits.

I am not quite sure why she had Green color goo pooo after Tilapia.Tilapia is not Green fish! She did not graze on grass as well.THat is something interesting to know why green poo while ate non green stuff.She did not munch on mint rawhide as well that day.Wiered...

>No, this is loose stool, but not uncontrollable diarrhea

So in definition of loose stool and diarrhea,as long as dog can control and no accident in house,then,even if goo poo or watery even once a day then,no worry and it can get better with fixing feeding stuff,Ok.I understand now better.Thank you.

>Tomochan wa toreningu no meirei ga subete nihongo desu.

Sugoi kaishikoi inu desune. "Tomo chan,osuwari"

Did she sit now?ha-ha.

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8b. Re: pooping matter
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:47 pm ((PDT))

>
> Sugoi kaishikoi inu desune. "Tomo chan,osuwari"
>
> Did she sit now?ha-ha.
>
> yassy

Tomochan wa osu desuga. Tadaima mado no mae ni yoko shite imas:).
Jitsu wa kyonen totsuzen mimi ga kikoenaku natta no de, wakatta tango
wa zenbu muda ni narimashita.

Pardon me, all. I was just explaining that since Tomo has gone deaf,
his large Japanese vocabulary is going to waste.

He never forgets the language of dinner, however, and tonight is a
slab of pork ribs and some grassfed beef liver. I hope the bones win,
because he has been a bit loose and his anal glands have gone stinky,
I think from lack of stimulation. Now back to your scheduled
programming....

ginny and Tomo

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9a. Re: Sterilizing Crate
Posted by: "Ash" want4rain@yahoo.com want4rain
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:54 pm ((PDT))

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ive always raw fed Mister outside. id really like to feed him in his
kennel inside (generous size *rolls eyes* we call it Misters Palace).
any of you ahve kids and feed like this? i strongly dislike using
Lyson and the like. for the rest of the house and any meat prep i just
use white vinegar and have never had a problem but i feel a little
nervous about him eating IN the house IN his kennel when i ahve a 16
month old son in here. wouldnt you know he likes eating stuff off the
floor too!!

-ashley

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> I dont think you have anything to worry about. I take my trays out and
> bleach them at least 3 times a week anyways so eating in their
crates wont hurt
> anything. As for walking around on it, its no different then K****e
and if they
> stepped on that. See what others say about this. Im still at the
clorox clean
> up everything stage myself but most just say use vinegar and water
to clean
> up!
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> Audrey Johnson
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9b. Re: Sterilizing Crate
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:08 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 7/19/2007 12:59:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,
want4rain@yahoo.com writes:

i strongly dislike using
Lyson and the like. for the rest of the house and any meat prep i just
use white vinegar and have never had a problem but i feel a little
nervous about him eating IN the house IN his kennel when i ahve a 16
month old son in here. wouldnt you know he likes eating stuff off the
floor too!!

***I realize that i missed part of this thread.. but i'm having lots of
trouble trying to figure out who you are trying to kill with the bleach and lysol
and disinfectants.

these things are all poison to humans, dogs AND "germs". If you want
something clean wash it with white vinegar, at least it won't kill the humans and the
dogs..

And i honestly don't see a problem with feeding a dog indoors or outdoors.. i
don't see how it's more dangerous to feed a dog where humans are. I think
i'm losing my mind, or i missed something important in this thread?

Catherine R.

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10a. Re: Dogs normally gain weight after being on raw diet a while and lo
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:55 pm ((PDT))

> it was just Grover's body growing denser and more muscular, and putting on real adult >muscle.

Hi,Tammy. It looks to me waht you went through is waht I am going through now.Palette looks more muscular and more sturdy stampy legs and got more fur around neck and more adult looks.

> I've noticed forall my dogs that they start to get heavier around the 1.5 year mark.

Palette BD is on Aug 29th and she will be 2 years old this August. so, I think she may have started weigh more from Feb 07 then? Just did not weigh every month and I was just got curious the other day and noticed she gained weight despite the tuck-in tummy and waist line.

So,your dog stopped gaining weight after 1.5 year old ?

My husband was talking about trademill excercise with palette too although he too say that she does not look chubby.

Yassy

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11a. Re: question about bone meals
Posted by: "verrelli" ktverrelli@bellsouth.net verrelli
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:21 pm ((PDT))

Well they probably would love chewing it up but now I wonder if that
is too much bone (and alot of Beard to get chicken guck in )
Kellie
> The 18 lb dog should be able to eat backs with no problem. When I got
> my Great Dane puppy, he was 23 lbs and gobbled them right down.

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12a. Re: Dogs normally gain weight after being on raw diet a while and lo
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 4:21 pm ((PDT))

I would go more by how she looks than what the scale says,
personally. And, your scale at home may not be the same as the
vet's, so you may or may not necessarily be able to compare those 2
numbers. You might just watch how she looks over the next few weeks
and take her back to the same Petsmart/vet and weigh her again and
see, if you want. Or weigh her at home and check her at home again
in a few weeks. Not sure how accurate those home digital scales are,
though...mine seems to go all over the place. And it's definitely
different than when I go to the doctor or the drugstore and weigh
myself.

Laurie

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<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
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> >Just a thought--scales are different and can be "off."
>
> Hi,Laurie. Well,I did not think about it until you say that to
me. we have digital scale at home for us to weigh ourselves so,I can
check it again when my husband is around because I can simply deduct
my husband's weight from combo weight.

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13a. Re: Regarding Fats and Oils
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:02 pm ((PDT))

On Jul 19, 2007, at 10:30 AM, jeff wissler wrote:

> Chris,
> However, if you must also feed grain lot beef, I think
> it may be more beneficial in some instances to add
> things like organic egg yolks and coconut oil in
> greater excess and animal fat slightly less.
>
> That way you get more of the saturated fats with less
> of the omega 6's.
>
> The preferred diet would be grassfed and wild animals
> and nothing more. But, since that isnt available to
> all, some modifications must be made. And the use of
> coconut oil and yolks are a good sub for fat as they
> are low (or have none in some instances) in omega 6
> and eggs have good omega 3. Even Cod liver oil can be
> used sparingly if it must to bring the omega ratio in
> line.

Bear in mind that organic chickens are fed organic crap, corn and
soy, and so the eggs cannot be more well-balanced than the diet of
the hen who lays them. I find fish body oil, not cod liver oil,
useful to provide Omega 3s. It's too easy to provide more Vit A than
the body needs. especially if adequate, in proportion, organs are
fed. And vegetable oils have no place in the diet of a carnivore, and
are different enough in composition as to be unnatural and
potentially irritating.

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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