[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11816

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Help, I'm doing something wrong but dont know what!
From: Margaret Martell
1b. Re: Help, I'm doing something wrong but dont know what!
From: Andrea
1c. Re: Help, I'm doing something wrong but dont know what!
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: Are we feeding poison to our dogs/cats?
From: Bearhair
2b. Re: Are we feeding poison to our dogs/cats?
From: costrowski75
2c. Are we feeding poison to our dogs/cats?
From: Lori Poirier

3a. Leaving dogs for the weekend
From: Jenna Mahoney
3b. Re: Leaving dogs for the weekend
From: Giselle
3c. Re: Leaving dogs for the weekend
From: Andrea
3d. Re: Leaving dogs for the weekend
From: carnesbill
3e. Re: Leaving dogs for the weekend
From: Shannon Parker
3f. Re: Leaving dogs for the weekend
From: rosey031801

4a. Re: butcher cuts?
From: carnesbill
4b. Re: butcher cuts?
From: costrowski75
4c. Re: butcher cuts?
From: Lynne Noll
4d. Re: butcher cuts?
From: melaniearles

5a. Re: She doesn't use her paws to eat ?!?
From: tottime47

6a. Re: not eating with her paws
From: Lori Poirier
6b. Re: not eating with her paws
From: costrowski75

7a. tilapia and bonita
From: Carol Santangelo
7b. Re: tilapia and bonita
From: costrowski75
7c. Re: tilapia and bonita
From: Carol Santangelo

8. Kidney problems and raw
From: musiquedelanuit

9a. Re: 80/10/10?
From: mwood8402

10a. Re: supplement w/digestive enzymes?
From: Monica

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1a. Re: Help, I'm doing something wrong but dont know what!
Posted by: "Margaret Martell" zahrammm1@yahoo.com zahrammm1
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:11 am ((PDT))

"montana.loki" <montana.loki@yahoo.com> wrote: I am dedicated to raw and will not switch back (besides the cat
would mutiny if I did). Loki's bad skin allergies have cleared up
and she hasn't had to have any meds in almost two months. I jsut
need to get these lakes of poo to cease! Please help!
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Hi Jennifer -
Where Loki is acting normal every other way, you could try more bone in the diet to try and firm things up a bit. Maybe some slippery elm (digestive powder) may help, too.
Keep us informed of how things go.
Margaret & Zahra

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1b. Re: Help, I'm doing something wrong but dont know what!
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:59 am ((PDT))

Jennifer, it sounds like the loose stools started when you switched to
one meal a day, right? The variety you feed looks great, but since
most of it has a pretty decent fat content, it might be too
rich when it all comes in at once. Have you tried giving a mixed meal
of chicken (or other boney meal) along with the usual pork or beef
meaty meat? Since she sounds like she's feeling ok, I agree that more
bone in the meals will probably help things settle out. Let us know
how it goes.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "montana.loki" <montana.loki@...>
wrote:
> She eats beef (brisket, ribs, roasts and other meaty cuts), pork
> (roasts, riblets and other meaty meat cuts) and chicken (home
> ground with the organs - the cat will only eat whole chicken meat
> now but Loki will eat the ground if it is mixed with some smelly,
> nasty tripe or ground trachea). I know the ground isnt optimal and
> once the ground is used up we'll go back to chicken quarters.

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1c. Re: Help, I'm doing something wrong but dont know what!
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:00 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "montana.loki" <montana.loki@...>
wrote:
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> Any other ideas and suggestions?
>
> I am dedicated to raw and will not switch back (besides the cat
> would mutiny if I did). Loki's bad skin allergies have cleared up
> and she hasn't had to have any meds in almost two months. I jsut
> need to get these lakes of poo to cease! Please help!
>
If it were me, I would go back to the basics. Fast her for a day,
then start at the beginning all over again. Feed nothing but whole
chicken parts for a week, longer if stools still aren't solid. Once
she has solid stools, gradually add back protein sources at the rate
of one a week as long as all goes ok.

I would feed twice a day again for now, limit the organs and stay
heavy on bone. Don't feed any organs for at least a month, two
months would be better. Don't feed mushy stuff as mushy stuff in
often causes mushy stuff out.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: Are we feeding poison to our dogs/cats?
Posted by: "Bearhair" bearhair@spamcop.net bearhair61
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:02 am ((PDT))

Kate wrote:

> . . . what goes into the
>stomach of chickens, pork, and more specifically, cattle. Chemical
>contamination, pesticides, herbicides, heavy metals can still be in the
>fat, bones, or meat. . . .
> Important class of contaminants is heavy metals (arsenic, cadmium,
>and especially mercury)... increasingly finding their way into our food
>chain...EPA has been allowing the recycling of industry waste-- material
>loaded with heavy metals--into commercial fertilizers...Heavy metals are
>not destroyed over time. . . .
> . . . the bones of American cattle contain high levels of
>lead, owing to our prolonged usage of leaded gasoline over several
>decades. The only safe bone meal nowadays is from cattle raised in South
>America, Ethiopia, or some other country with few
>automobiles . . .
>I was so freaked out, I couldn't sleep that night after reading this
>part of the book. I was so scared that I might of fed lead, mercury or
>whatever chemicals to my dog... it was like a nightmare being in bed,
>awake.
>
>I know that there are no any problems with the pet food(yuck) lead
>poisoning, but its very concerning me of what I may be giving my beloved
>dog. Should we all start switching to Whole Foods meat (or any other
>natural, organic food stores we can rely) or something? I'm pretty sure
>its a bit more expensive than the normal butcher meat or meats you can
>buy at supermarkets...
>What should we raw feeders do?!?

Above all, we do our best, given our resources (both time and money).
Remember that feeding raw is a huge step up from any other care that you can
give your dog.

I have to get into the office, so I'll address just the lead issue first.

Direct exposure of livestock to lead is sufficiently common to make a Google
search easy. These all deal with acute poisoning:
>http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/health/4213.html
>http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/211800.htm
>http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex791

This provides more information on chronic lead poisoning:
>http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/toxicagents/lead/lead.html

And this Canadian veterinary article tested herds where a single animal was
diagnosed and treated for acute lead poisoning, noting that the entire herd
is rarely, if ever, considered for exposure if they are asymptomatic:
"This preliminary investigative field study demonstrated that between 4% and
12% of asymptomatic cattle had toxic concentrations of lead in their blood.
Another 7% to 40% had concentrations of lead in the blood that would be
considered high normal, suggesting substantial lead exposure."
>http://www.larounds.ca/crus/lav10_02_eng.pdf

Since "[a]nimals grazing in pastures bordering highways of countries where
leaded gasoline is still used have higher background lead concentrations,"
simply purchasing from Whole Foods is not the answer. I believe you can have
a farm achieve organic certification even though it is bordering a highway.

Industrialized society is the ultimate source of these contaminants, and
except for a global cataclysm (which is likely to only make things worse),
we're not going to be able to avoid these contaminants without moving to
deserted islands and raising our own meat. The information you provide makes
the push for "know your farmer" ever more important - I think that the best
you can possibly do in these times is if you can visit the farm, see that he
doesn't have his grandfather's Model A in the pasture, is surrounding only by
country roads, and is certified organic.

Lora

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2b. Re: Are we feeding poison to our dogs/cats?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:20 am ((PDT))

"deep_ocean_of_sorrow" <deep_ocean_of_sorrow@...> wrote:
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> What should we raw feeders do?!?
*****
Feed the best species appropriate diet (a concept that is apparently
lost on Dr. Pitcairn) one can, knowing it will always be better than
the alternatives.

Chris O

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2c. Are we feeding poison to our dogs/cats?
Posted by: "Lori Poirier" chaparraltrail@yahoo.com chaparraltrail
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:02 am ((PDT))

We undoubtedly are feeding some poisons to our raw-fed pets, just as we are injesting them ourselves. Yet life goes on.

> I was so freaked out, I couldn't sleep that night after reading this
> part of the book. I was so scared that I might of fed lead, mercury or
> whatever chemicals to my dog... it was like a nightmare being in bed,
> awake.

>What should we raw feeders do?!?

These are legitimate concerns. Yet if we become immobilized because we cannot find a pure and perfect solution, that is no good either. We should buy the least contaminated food we can find and afford, and do what we can not to make the problem worse (such as: don't pollute, lobby for change, etc.). We should not risk stress-related diseases from panicking over things that are beyond our control. Change what we can; live with the rest.

Lori

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3a. Leaving dogs for the weekend
Posted by: "Jenna Mahoney" hav.lover@yahoo.com hav.lover
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:04 am ((PDT))

I was wondering what dog owners on this list do when they have to leave
for vacation as far as feeding. I am leaving my two small dogs with
their breeder who does at this time not feed raw. I want to make
feeding my dogs easy on her.I know commerical raw diets are not
endorsed on this list but what is the opinion if it is just for a few
days?
Jenna

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3b. Re: Leaving dogs for the weekend
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:49 am ((PDT))

Hi, Jenna!
This is not hard to do; prepackage everything into single meal zippy
bags. Label each bag as, say, Breakfast for Muffy at 8am on 7/17/07 or
Dinner for Zippy at 5 pm on 7/17/07 or whatever fits. Bag both dog's
meals for a day into a larger bag.

Type up a list of how much to take out in advance, and any other
pertinent info, such as where to feed them (in their crates?), to thaw
completely before feeding, what time, what to do with leftovers, etc.
Don't assume any prior knowledge even if you have discussed raw
feeding exhaustively with him/her.

Make the meals easy, something readily accepted by both dogs, nothing
they're 'iffy' about. Leave out organs if this produces loose stools,
make the meals a little bonier than usual if meatymeat meals tend to
do the same. Time enough to add organs back in and cut back on the
bony meals when you all get back home.
Freeze it all up and pack it into a cooler for the trip to the
breeder/babysitter. She may not even need to transfer it to a freezer
if its only for a few days.
Who knows, you may just have a raw feeding convert when you get back!
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I was wondering what dog owners on this list do when they have to leave
> for vacation as far as feeding. I am leaving my two small dogs with
> their breeder who does at this time not feed raw. I want to make
> feeding my dogs easy on her. I know commercial raw diets are not
> endorsed on this list but what is the opinion if it is just for a few
> days?
> Jenna
>

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3c. Re: Leaving dogs for the weekend
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:05 am ((PDT))

I'm going on vacation for a week and my bf's mom is dog sitting for
us. I'll put meals in plastic baggies with dog's name on each one.
All she has to do is take the baggie out, thaw if desired, and hand to
dog. If your dogs eat once a day, you can write that on the baggie
too. If your sitter isn't super comfortable with different kinds of
foods you can package chicken a la chicken for the time you'll be
gone. I'd be wary of having the sitter feed anything the dogs don't
usually have, though. I once left Geiger with my parents for a weekend
with duck for the first time. They didn't really appreciate the severe
gas and loose stools. Hopefully your sitter will be ok feeding chicken
quarters, but if not, make sure the dogs won't have a reaction to
the "stuff" in the ground mixture.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Jenna Mahoney" <hav.lover@...>
wrote:
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> I was wondering what dog owners on this list do when they have to
> leave for vacation as far as feeding. I am leaving my two small dogs
> with their breeder who does at this time not feed raw. I want to make
> feeding my dogs easy on her.

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3d. Re: Leaving dogs for the weekend
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:07 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Jenna Mahoney" <hav.lover@...>
wrote:
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> I know commerical raw diets are not
> endorsed on this list but what is the opinion if it is just for
> a few days?

For a few days, you could put some ground beef and ground turkey
into some ziplock bags (beef in some bags, turkey in others). Make
each bag the size of one meal. If the breeder is adventurous you
could put a chicken quarter in a bag for a meal (if that is an
appropriate size meal for your dog). If you are only gone for 2 or
3 days, the breeder woudln't even have to freeze them.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3e. Re: Leaving dogs for the weekend
Posted by: "Shannon Parker" mrbatisse@yahoo.ca mrbatisse
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:07 am ((PDT))

HI Jenna,

When I leave my dogs for the weekend, I prepare all of their food ahead of time, each meal in individual plasticwear, labelled. Since I don't expect my dogsitters to feed them on their floor, I cut up the pieces small enough that they will eat them out of the bowl, but large enough that they still have to chew them thoroughly.

Hope this helps!

Shannon

Jenna Mahoney <hav.lover@yahoo.com> wrote:
I was wondering what dog owners on this list do when they have to leave
for vacation as far as feeding.

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3f. Re: Leaving dogs for the weekend
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:09 am ((PDT))

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Jenna,
I have to leave my dog from time to time and I get boneless cause it
doesn't have the "EEK" factor. I make hamburger patties (raw) with
seasoning so he will readily eat it, alomg with boneless chicken.
Freeze all and send it with him. I always tell them it is ok if he
doesn't eat well while I am gone, so they don't worry. He will make
it up when he gets home. A breeder or kennel can just put it in the
kennel, should be alot easier than a home. My dog sitter says the
worst part is that her dogs want it. He does just fine.
Cheryl

> > I was wondering what dog owners on this list do when they have to
leave
> > for vacation as far as feeding. I am leaving my two small dogs
with
> > their breeder who does at this time not feed raw. I want to make
> > feeding my dogs easy on her. I know commercial raw diets are not
> > endorsed on this list but what is the opinion if it is just for a
few
> > days?
> > Jenna

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4a. Re: butcher cuts?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:07 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "linoleum5017" <linoleum5017@...>
wrote:
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Something that no one mentioned yet is that pork belly is the part of
the pig that bacon is sliced from.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4b. Re: butcher cuts?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:10 am ((PDT))

Pi <scribblekitten@...> wrote:

> If you're not scared of a bit of fat in your own diet, bbq
marinated
> pork belly is one of my personal favourite meals.
*****
I have no problem with fat in my diet and however one wants to eat it
is okay by me but within the context of limited doggiedollars, I'd
say there are more broadly useful pork body parts.

> I do feed Pi quite lot of fat and always figured pork belly would
be a
> good thing for the odd meal for him. I think it's because he's
pretty
> active and uses a lot of energy? Or maybe I'm just making things up
here
> and really have no idea what I'm talking about!
*****
I think there are more broadly useful pork body parts.

It's very easy to buy fatty pork parts, one doesn't have to go out of
one's way to find them. Certainly a shoulder roast (either blade or
arm) would provide plenty of fat; it also offers a fine amount of
meat and a bone to work on. Same thing can be said for spare ribs.

My dogs also get a goodly amount of dietary fat, and when I am
feeding through lean meat like emu or venison I absolutely will add
fat trim to the meals. The concept ain't lost on me, I promise!
Chris O

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4c. Re: butcher cuts?
Posted by: "Lynne Noll" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:02 am ((PDT))

Interesting! I'll file that away with the photo of tot tasting pig's snout. Pictures do say a thousand words!

lol,
Lynne

carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "linoleum5017" <linoleum5017@...>
wrote:
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Something that no one mentioned yet is that pork belly is the part of
the pig that bacon is sliced from.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4d. Re: butcher cuts?
Posted by: "melaniearles" SibeMaya@gmail.com melaniearles
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:06 am ((PDT))

"costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> My dogs also get a goodly amount of dietary fat, and when I am
> feeding through lean meat like emu or venison I absolutely will add
> fat trim to the meals. The concept ain't lost on me, I promise!
> Chris O
>

Chris -

What do you mean by fat trim? Do you take off the skin from chickens
or something and just put it in the dog's meal? I'm wondering because
I too feed through lean meats and haven't really been sure of what to
do to provide them so fat.

Melani

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5a. Re: She doesn't use her paws to eat ?!?
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:45 am ((PDT))

Hi Pam,

You know to me it doesn't sound like Christine is not liking you
anymore.....it sounds like just the opposite.

She knows you are unhappy with her and senses you are upset with
her........

That's why she lays across the room and looks at you.....to see if
you've changed your mind about her........

That's why she won't sleep with you anymore, she senses that somehow
she's done something wrong and feels you don't want her there
anymore..........

Did the vet check her out carefully? Mine wasn't chewing up food by
himself, like I figured he should be, after 3 months on the diet,
had a tooth cleaning and the vet found a badly infected
tooth............

He also has a damaged disk (sp) in his neck, so he can't pull & tear
like some of the dogs do......make sure there's not a physical
problem with her...........

If there isn't any, then I would lovingly feed her, by hand if need
be, at the start and go from there..........make it a special time
between the two of you and give plenty of
praise for every bite she eats...................

Since she likes crunchy foods, maybe you could try offering her
partly frozen things that have more crunch? She is eating the mix
in the morning so it's not that she won't eat, just can't seem to
eat what you want her to the way you are presenting it......

Remeber, she does want to please you.......for whatever reason she
just can't right now and she knows it...... that's why I think she
lays across the room and that's why she won't sleep with you...

Carol,Charkee & Moli (changed her name, lol,hope I don't turn her
neurotic)

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wrote:

> My main concern was my female lab/Basenji mix (Christine).She
just picks
> at the food won't eat again for another day or two.
So, now the 4th week have introduced beef
> liver, heart and ground beef with raw egg.
>
> I have found the wonderful world of salmon oil thanks to this
> list! And have proceeded to make a daily "breakfast" this week of a
> raw hamburger pattie with 1 egg(no shells)and 4 each 1,000mg salmon
> oil caps cut and drained into the mixture. Christine has taken very
> well to this mix. She ate it up like her old canned food she loved.

I know I am the bad guy to her now...she doesn't sleep with me
anymore and she just glares at me across the room!

> Pam
> Christine & Halo
>

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6a. Re: not eating with her paws
Posted by: "Lori Poirier" chaparraltrail@yahoo.com chaparraltrail
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:48 am ((PDT))

> Enjoying? Would you feed your kids Twinkies because they aren't "enjoying"
> healthy foods?

Actually...YES! As a temporary measure, if that's what it took to transition to a healthy diet and lifestyle. (Hypothetical...I haven't had to resort to the "Twinkie Diet" yet!)

> Someone has to be the adult and make proper decisions for those who can't!

Christine is unfortunately quite capable of the decision of what she will not eat...and right now, she has decided that she will not eat a proper diet. A dog in the wild probably would not deliberately starve itself into nutritional deficiencies. But with human interaction comes humanization of canine behavior, and a civilized dog just might.

I am not knowledgeable enough to suggest specific "half-way" measures or feeding to help transition her to raw, without a full-blown declaration of World War Three...possibly including Pam's husband, who sounds less than happy about all of this. Does anyone have any suggestions that can actually encourage her dog to eat and enjoy the diet her body was designed to thrive on?

A "perfect" raw diet that remains in the bowl uneaten benefits no one...

Lori

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6b. Re: not eating with her paws
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:38 am ((PDT))

Lori Poirier <chaparraltrail@...> wrote:
> I am not knowledgeable enough to suggest specific "half-way"
measures or feeding to help transition her to raw, without a full-
blown declaration of World War Three...possibly including Pam's
husband, who sounds less than happy about all of this. Does anyone
have any suggestions that can actually encourage her dog to eat and
enjoy the diet her body was designed to thrive on?
*****
There is no question that half-way (and quarter-way and sixteenth-way
measures) are often needed to get things rolling and keep them
rolling. There is no question that the list archives are filled with
suggestions for introducing new foods, introducing organs,
introducing whole bones, re-introducing raw and, in fact--introducing
raw.

Even if one were to review the last couple weeks one could find
plenty of recommendations. The raw feeding constituency of this list
has always been eager to share successes. Perhaps you youself might
want to delve into the archives for some recommendations.

What is likely to lead to WW3 is the assumption that kibble is better
than raw. If you don't go there, it won't happen.
Chris O

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7a. tilapia and bonita
Posted by: "Carol Santangelo" carol.santangelo@gmail.com santangelo_carol
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:48 am ((PDT))

I have a friend who has a boat and goes fishing often...he said he can get
me all the Bonita I want--for free. Is that an OK fish to feed?

Also, I found whole Tilapia at Walmart. There were two per package and each
package was a little over two pounds for just over $4. Is Tilapia an OK
fish to feed?

As of now, I have only given some sardines once. I have been feeding raw
for about 2 months. Both, my Bullmastiff and my French Bulldog, loved the
sardines. I gave it as a treat last week. I know giving some sardines to a
Bullmastiff sounds like a joke...but he did like them and I'm sure he would
like some more fish that's a little more of an appropriate size for him.

Thanks.
Carol (Bruno and Zoe's mom)

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7b. Re: tilapia and bonita
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:58 am ((PDT))

"Carol Santangelo" <carol.santangelo@...> wrote:
>
> I have a friend who has a boat and goes fishing often...he said he
can get
> me all the Bonita I want--for free. Is that an OK fish to feed?
*****
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bonito
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bonito
http://www.oceansalive.org/eat.cfm?subnav=bestandworst
http://www.mbayaq.org/cr/seafoodwatch.asp

>Is Tilapia an OK
> fish to feed?
*****
It's farmed, which carries its own burden. In addition to the usual
drawbacks of farmed protein (whether fish or fowl or livestock),
melamine has been found in fish food. This may or may not be an
issue to predators, probably not but it's also probably too early to
say for sure.

It's a mild white fish useful for protein variety but offers no Omega
3 support. Many dogs refuse to it eat. See if you can find a small
package to test with.

I know giving some sardines to a
> Bullmastiff sounds like a joke...but he did like them and I'm sure
he would
> like some more fish that's a little more of an appropriate size for
him.
*****
Whole raw sardines are not a joke, not even for a big guy! It's okay
that they're small for him, they more than make up in nutritional
value what they lack in size. A fish that is the "right" size for
him a. may not offer similar nutritional support, b. may be more
expensive than it's worth, and/or c. may not be the least bit
appealing to him.

Bonita sounds like a good choice; tilapia not so.
Chris O

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7c. Re: tilapia and bonita
Posted by: "Carol Santangelo" carol.santangelo@gmail.com santangelo_carol
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:11 am ((PDT))

Thanks Chris. You are such a great help.

Carol

<Bonita sounds like a good choice; tilapia not so.
Chris O>

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8. Kidney problems and raw
Posted by: "musiquedelanuit" taylor.lhb@hotmail.com musiquedelanuit
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:03 am ((PDT))

Hello everyone!
I have been talking to my Dad about feeding raw for a few months now
and I have all but convinced him that it's the way to go. The problem
is that his Golden Retrievers was poisoned during the recent pet-food
recall and his kidneys were severely damaged. As a result, his vet put
him on a Royal Canin low protein diet. My Dad is afraid to start
feeding raw because he feels that it is too high in protein and would
be a dangerous chance to take with a sick dog.

I know a raw diet would be beneficial, but I don't know what to say to
him to convince him. Does anyone have aditional information on this
topic? What should I tell him?

Thanks so much!
Taylor (and Loki) in Montreal

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9a. Re: 80/10/10?
Posted by: "mwood8402" mwood8402@hotmail.com mwood8402
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:06 am ((PDT))

I do it too. I can't help it, I like things to be exact.

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...>
wrote:
>
> 'cause I started using one when I started raw feeding and it's just
> habit. Probably latent control issues...whatever. I'm fine with it.

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10a. Re: supplement w/digestive enzymes?
Posted by: "Monica" mommyof2gals@comcast.net mommyof2gals
Date: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:08 am ((PDT))

>>You might want to look back at some of the messages in the
>>archives....search on pancreatitis. Lots of good info on feeding.

I did a search in the archives, but all I seem to find is information how
raw diets helped people's pancreatic dogs, without specific info on WHAT and
HOW to feed. My dog has always been on raw and is suffering anyway, so I
need to know if anyone can tell me how to adjust his meals to make him feel
better.

I've already removed the skin off the chicken quarter and it has not helped.
If I remove the bone and just feed chicken, he gets horrible diarrhea. I
can't go smaller than a chicken quarter or he'll gulp it down. I am at a
loss.

Thanks

Monica and Loki

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