[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11808

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: Evie
1b. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: monell2000
1c. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: monell2000
1d. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: pet.wellness
1e. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: Nathalie Poulin

2a. Re: Newby raw feeding question
From: Evie

3a. Re: handling raw meat
From: kaseyfrankie
3b. Re: handling raw meat
From: Nathalie Poulin
3c. Re: handling raw meat
From: Carol Santangelo
3d. Re: handling raw meat
From: elegantkennels
3e. Re: handling raw meat
From: carnesbill

4a. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
From: Nathalie Poulin
4b. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: Raw Vets & Bacteria
From: Nathalie Poulin
5b. Re: Raw Vets & Bacteria
From: kaseyfrankie
5c. Re: Raw Vets & Bacteria
From: pet.wellness

6a. Re: Whats that in his poop???
From: Yasuko herron
6b. Re: Whats that in his poop???
From: Sandee Lee

7a. Re: Poo wrapped in mucous
From: geraldinebutterfield
7b. Re: Poo wrapped in mucous
From: Yasuko herron

8.1. Re: Nature's Variety
From: Sandee Lee

9a. Re: cat will only eat pork. period :( THANKS LINDSAY
From: alliecaracleo

10a. Re: Little odgs
From: tottime47

11a. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
From: kevinvictorbutton

12. supplement w/digestive enzymes?
From: Monica

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1a. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "Evie" archie.willow@yahoo.co.uk archie.willow
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:17 am ((PDT))

Hey,

Before feeding raw my JRT would have a room cleared with his gas....
it was BAD!!! My whippet x rarely gave off any; being a lady of
course, lol.

Since changing to raw I have to say the gas situation has changed for
the better; rarely do either "let off some steam". The only times
I've noticed gas is introducing them to lamb and to pork; then they
both were clearing rooms! But I think that was because I introduced
both of those meats in a "baptism of fire". Huge hunks of meat;
unlike other meats that I have introduced, which have been added a
little at a time to meats that they are already familiar with.

HTH,
Evie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "monell2000" <monell2000@...>
wrote:
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> My standard poodles have very stinky gas.Does anyone else have this
> problem on the raw??
> Monell

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1b. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "monell2000" monell2000@yahoo.com monell2000
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:13 am ((PDT))

I feed them mostly chicken. I give them hunks of beef or pork, with
thier chicken, or turkey, two or three times a week. They also get
liver frozen, as a snack three times a week. And also sweetbreads
twice a week. once a week they get kidney as a treat.
Monell

- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Nathalie Poulin
<poulin_nathalie@...> wrote:
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> What EXACTLY are you feeding them?
>
> Nathalie
>
> --- monell2000 <monell2000@...> wrote:
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> > My standard poodles have very stinky gas.Does anyone
> > else have this
> > problem on the raw?? It doesn't seem to matter which
> > meat they eat. I
> > have a different smell than on K****e, but still
> > stinky.
> > Last night my female burped, and it had the same
> > smell as thier gas.
> > Is this normal??
> >
> > Monell
> >
> >
>
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1c. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "monell2000" monell2000@yahoo.com monell2000
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:13 am ((PDT))

Yes they have always purped a lot. but never so stinky. I have been
feeding raw for two months now.
Monell

In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "pet.wellness" <pet.wellness@...> wrote:
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> My poodle has never passed gas after eating raw food. How long have
> you been feeding raw? Are the other eructations, i.e, burps regular or
> is this something new? Pamela
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "monell2000" <monell2000@> wrote:
> >
> > My standard poodles have very stinky gas.Does anyone else have this
> > problem on the raw?? It doesn't seem to matter which meat they eat.
I
>
> >
>

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1d. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:31 am ((PDT))

Eructations, i.e, burping, passing gas, regurgitation - especially if
excessive - are signs of digestive imbalance according to homeopathy.
I am not an expert, but I suspect that this will resolve in time with
a good diet. If it does not, or you find it a nuisance, contact a
homeopathic vet. Pamela

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "monell2000" <monell2000@...> wrote:
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> Yes they have always purped a lot. but never so stinky. I have been
> feeding raw for two months now.
> Monell
>

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1e. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:31 am ((PDT))

Maybe you're giving too much liver/sweetbreads/kidney
in a week? I'm not sure as I'm fortunate enough not to
have a gassy dog.
(If anyone can answer this better than me, please do
so!)
Maybe try cutting those down a bit, or spreading it
out more over 2 weeks..

Nathalie

--- monell2000 <monell2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I feed them mostly chicken. I give them hunks of
> beef or pork, with
> thier chicken, or turkey, two or three times a week.
> They also get
> liver frozen, as a snack three times a week. And
> also sweetbreads
> twice a week. once a week they get kidney as a
> treat.
> Monell
>
>

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2a. Re: Newby raw feeding question
Posted by: "Evie" archie.willow@yahoo.co.uk archie.willow
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:41 am ((PDT))

Hi,

Personally, since it is a temporary measure, I would change to raw, but
still provide the food that is left out at night. (I know others on
here would not agree with that, but it's what I'd do.)

You could gradually reduce the amount of food being left out to phase
it out; rather than stressing her by removing it all at once. I see no
benifit in removing the food totally for now since it will only stress
Mum out and that's not good for her or puppies. At the same time she
can be getting raw meals during the day and reaping the benifits of
those. Indeed, you may find that once she has a taste for the raw, she
eats less and less of the night feeds of kibble (I presume?)

HTH,
Evie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "angelsnoopers64859"
<angelsnoopers64859@...> wrote:

I am switching my dogs (Mollie and Max) over as I type. I am, however,
> reluctant to switch Mollie over right now. She is temporarily in the
> house because she has puppies. When I take her food away for overnight
> (I was going to switch her over) she goes potty anywhere she can
reach.
> We do put her on a leash as we do not have an indoor kennel. Since she
> is nursing she needs food all the time. How can I switch her over
> especially since she resents when there is not food there all the time
> which both my dogs are used to.

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3a. Re: handling raw meat
Posted by: "kaseyfrankie" Julian1013@aol.com kaseyfrankie
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:48 am ((PDT))

Sophie has a 10x10 kennel that she eats in, that we keep closed so if
there are pieces we don't see to pick up when she's done, we know our
two year old isn't going to get into it. We have found that usually
any little pieces she might leave behind are never there for more than
24 hours, something will smell it and come finish it up at night,
which Sophie learned the hard way one night she when buried her
chicken leg and was extra proud of herself the next morning when she
trotted out to retrieve it, only to find that something beat her to
it :-) Kasey S

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3b. Re: handling raw meat
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:31 am ((PDT))

Get out your hose.
Lots of people use a plastic shower curtain and train
their dogs to eat on it.
There are more germs at day care or school than there
are from the raw meat your dog eats.

Nathalie

--- tomjennabby <tomjennabby@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Hi all.
> Just wondering if anyone has any advice on how to
> contain the mess.
> I know my pup has the means to handle any bacteria,
> but what about my
> kids, etc. ? My dog makes a huge mess in the
> backyard, and I can't let
> him eat in the house. Any thoughts?
>
> Jenn Kavanagh
>
>

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3c. Re: handling raw meat
Posted by: "Carol Santangelo" carol.santangelo@gmail.com santangelo_carol
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:34 am ((PDT))

I feed outside too. I find that my dogs do a really good job of picking up
any pieces that have fallen on the floor (either out of the bowl or out of
their mouths). However, even though they run around cleaning up after
themselves, I'm sure there is still some liquids on some of the grass. I
would suggest that you just take a hose and hose down the area they ate in.
Also, as far as I know most bacteria can't live without being wet....so
shortly after they finish eating and the juices on the ground dry up the
bacteria will die anyway.

Carol (Bruno and Zoe's mom)

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3d. Re: handling raw meat
Posted by: "elegantkennels" elegantkennels@yahoo.com elegantkennels
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:20 am ((PDT))

You could feed in a crate. I haven't changed to raw yet but I have
given raw as treat and thats where I give it. Then you can just wipe
out the crate... If you don't want to feed inside in a crate just put
the crate outside, and still clean it when you are done.

Renee

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tomjennabby" <tomjennabby@...>
wrote:
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> Hi all.
> Just wondering if anyone has any advice on how to contain the mess.
> I know my pup has the means to handle any bacteria, but what about my
> kids, etc. ? My dog makes a huge mess in the backyard, and I can't
let
> him eat in the house. Any thoughts?
>
> Jenn Kavanagh
>

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3e. Re: handling raw meat
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:06 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tomjennabby" <tomjennabby@...>
wrote:
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> My dog makes a huge mess in the backyard, and I can't let
> him eat in the house. Any thoughts?

Of course you CAN let him eat in the house. The correct wording of
your sentence is that you WON'T let him eat in the house. I have
been on this list and other raw feeding lists for 4 years. There
are litterally thousands upon thousands of list members and and tens
of thousands of posts and I have not seen on one single list, one
single post saying "my child (or grandchild) got sick from my dog's
eating raw." It is a non-issue. A fear of people who don't feed
raw. Most raw feeders don't give it a second thought. The longer
you feed raw, the less thought you give it.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4a. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:49 am ((PDT))

To be honest, I've never fed chicken liver, but I get
beef or goat liver from the butcher and it works
wonders. You might have to freeze it though, or mix it
with a bit of ground up meat to get your dog to eat
it.
It just depends on the dog.
My dog loves it dehydrated as treats, but won't eat it
on it's own. So I've frozen it to see if she'll take
it that way.
Your best bet is to just feed him the bag of organs.
Or feed it to him with the chicken and wait a few days
and see if that helps, but after 5 or so days of not
pooping, I would imagine that waiting any longer isn't
going help.
Try rabbit liver, I've read taht some dogs really love
rabbit.

Nathalie

--- Eve <loulou_bean@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Nathalie,
>
> We bought him a whole chicken with the bag full of
> organs where everything looks the same. How can I
> tell
> which is the liver?
>
> Eve
>
> --- Nathalie Poulin <poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
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> > Give him a nice chunk of liver, that should help
> get
> > things moving through his system.
> > Just be careful not to give him too much or you
> > might
> > have the opposite effect of constipation.
> >
> > Nathalie
> >

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4b. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:26 am ((PDT))

"carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
> I'm not sure what they are but as far as I'm concerned they are
pretty
> useless nutritionally. They are basically a sack.
*****
They're muscle.
They pretty much have the same nutritional punch as commercially
processed pig intestines or bleached honeycomb tripe. What makes
gizzards more useful in a raw diet is they generally come stuck into
the chicken and not feeding them is often more time consuming than
feeding them. Acquiring other cleaned and pressed digestive tissue
means actually buying it, intentionally. IMO if I am going to buy a
body part, I'd like it to be as nutrient dense as possible.

I spent a bit of time searching the USDA nutrition database for
gizzards by their lonesome but all the database offers is
general "giblets". For me, "giblets" means everything stuck in the
cavity save the neck but the USDA is not defining its terms so I don't
know what the values represent. So much for spending time in THOSE
weeds.

Chris O

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5a. Re: Raw Vets & Bacteria
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:50 am ((PDT))

I doubt there would be over 9000+ people (on this
list) who feed their dogs raw if ecoli and salmonella
and other bacteria affected them and made them
sick/die. Seriously, if it was such a problem, I don't
think as many of us would be feeding our dogs this
way.
Obviously, (for the most part at least) most of the
owners on this list have beautiful, healthy dogs who
have great immune systems and are the healthiest
they've ever been.
Crazy vets.

Nathalie

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wrote:

> Hey again,
> I was at my vet today, I asked what he thought
> about raw feeding. He said he doesn't reccomend it
> because of the ecoli, salmonella, and other
> bacterias found in raw food. What are the dangers
> of raw feeding reguarding bacteria? Are there any
> vets in the Sussex County, DE/Salisbury, MD area
> that support raw feeding? Just so I have a local
> vet to talk to. I don't plan on switching vets,
> just would like to have one close by to talk to just
> in case I need something.
>
> Thanks Bunches!
> Cherie
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5b. Re: Raw Vets & Bacteria
Posted by: "kaseyfrankie" Julian1013@aol.com kaseyfrankie
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:31 am ((PDT))

Cherie,
you just have to remind yourself that this is the way nature
intended them to eat.. every different species is put here to eat
something different and their bodies are specially designed to digest
it. For all we know.. the bacteria in raw meat that makes us sick,
could have no effect on a canine whatsoever, because it's a part of
the meat that their bodies were made to digest. there are plenty of
plants and berries out there that creatures eat that would make us
extremely sick.. but those animals flourish from it because they are
made to eat it.
Kasey S

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5c. Re: Raw Vets & Bacteria
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:31 am ((PDT))

I'll bet his office shelves were filled with Science Diet kibble and
canned foods. So exactly what kind of dietary recommendations would
you expect to get from him?

I work with both a holistic veterinarian and a homeopathic vet.
Anybody on this list knows more about raw feeding by an order of
magnitude than either of our doctors. And they don't sell carp. Pamela

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cherie Ferebee
<oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:
>
> Hey again,
> I was at my vet today, I asked what he thought about raw
feeding. He said he doesn't reccomend it because of the ecoli, s

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6a. Re: Whats that in his poop???
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:31 am ((PDT))

>Then I noticed some weird mucus looking substance covering the poop. it was light-
>lime-green kind of color. What IS this?

Hi.I had seen slimy mucous wrapping the poo 2 days ago too.Mine was whitish mucous,but somebody here told me that the mucous wrapped in poop is the way of dog getting rid of things that did not agree with the dog and it goes away.

It did go away after 2 more pooping after the mucous covered poo.

Before the mucous poo, I gave bit too much sample of mutton marrow from bones (did not have any watery poop after this right away though)and next morning,I gave lamb tongue with raw egg and pork neck.Then, it came watery poop and after this,I fed basic chicken meal and poop got firm up but it was covered with mucous thing.

Never seen that kind of poo and was worried and asked here and it came the reply that I wrote above.So,I think you do not have to worry about.

I have seen a poo dangling from her butt with one string of hair,maybe mine or hers since black colored,and she try to get it off to ground,but I think hair is quite common found in poo and nothing to worry about.

I do not know why your dog got mucous thing other than it is the way to get rid of things that did not agree with your dog.

Maybe saran?

I think more experienced feeders would chime in for cause of mucous.

hope it helps.

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6b. Re: Whats that in his poop???
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:52 am ((PDT))

Mucous is generally nothing more than a sign of irritation...which most
definitely could be caused by consuming plastic!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "deep_ocean_of_sorrow" <deep_ocean_of_sorrow@yahoo.com>

did the plastic wrapper cause this mucus-looking thing?

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7a. Re: Poo wrapped in mucous
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:29 am ((PDT))

Hi Yassy, I've been feeding raw for only a few months so I hope
others add their 2cents. This is what my vet said, and I've found it
to be true with Brandy. I haven't stopped feeding anything. If she
has the mucous it's usually when I add something new. Once her
little body gets used to it, usually the next time, it just goes
away. I haven't seen it in a while now.

This is a great site and everyone is so very helpful. I may have
been scared into going back to cooking for her without all the help.

good luck,
geraldine

> I am giving her basic chicken meal now to recover from watery
poo but,if the poo in mucous meant things did not agree with her;the
lamb is the cause,then I need to cut back the lamb and probably feed
with chicken that she is already well on then?
>
> If the mucous did not mean it is totally not agreeing and no
feed anymore stuff,then,I will try again with the feeding way
modified.
>
> Thank you
>
> yassy
>
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7b. Re: Poo wrapped in mucous
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:02 am ((PDT))

> If she has the mucous it's usually when I add something new. Once her little body gets >used to it, usually the next time, it just goes away.

Hi,Garaldine.Like you said, my dogs mucous went away after 2 more pooping after the mucous wrap poo with her basic chicken meal.So,today,I gave her half chicken half lamb with side of chicken guizzard.

I have not seen her poo yet so,have to wait again.

When she had Lamb Tongue,Pork Neck,and Raw Egg,she had watery poo and with chicken meal her poo got firm up right away with mucous around.

Maybe tongue was too fatty to deal with?Not sure but I tried giving boneless Lamb with chicken today. And see how it goes.

Egg I usually got was Egglands' best brand and white Egg.Supposedly organic Egg.She had raw Egg before with this brand and had no prob so,I assumed she is ok with Egg.

After the Egg all out,I got Egglands Best Cage Free Organic Egg and it is Brown Egg and I assumed she is ok with the egg of this package. it is her first time to have Raw Egg with this cage free Egg. Could it be the reason for watery poo too?I did not think it was though because she ate raw Egg before with this brand and had no problems.

I know that egg shell colors are just the difference between the breeed of chicken but dogs react differently to such breed difference egg or cage free egg or not cage free egg even though the brand are same?

I was curious.

She is fed raw 10th week now and she loves it and she run around me circle like she herd me(corgi;herding breed) when I try placing the shower curtain on kitchen floor and as it touches the floor,she jump on and sit. She knows that sitting bring the meal sooner.

Really the people on this list are real helpful and, I appreciate all.

Thanks everyone

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8.1. Re: Nature's Variety
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:51 am ((PDT))

Regardless, you wouldn't have to look too far back to hear the list's
opinion of Natures Variety! It's full of inappropriate ingredients, not to
mention ground and expensive!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "carnesbill" <carnesw@bellsouth.net>

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
>
> There was a long thread on it
> just a week or so ago about it. Check back and I'm sure you
> can find
> the posts.

O O O P S ! ! ! Sorry, that thread was on another list. :) :) :)

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9a. Re: cat will only eat pork. period :( THANKS LINDSAY
Posted by: "alliecaracleo" alliecaracleo@yahoo.com alliecaracleo
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:56 am ((PDT))

GOOD IDEAS WITH THE POKE IN A BAG FOR THE FLAVOR. AND I WILL TRY
CUTTING A LITTLE ETC. SHE IS DOWN TO EATING ONCE A DAY NOW. SATISFIED,
I SUPPOSE. SHE EATS ONLY 2OZ DAILY(2 MEALS) LOST WEIGHT WHICH IS GOOD
CUZ SHE NEEDED TO LOSE ABOUT 2 1/2 PDS. NOT LIKE HER GRANNY HERE !!!

HAVE A GREAT WEEKDEND EVERYONE
DENISE
(SORRY BOUT CAPITALS) CANT SEE WELL TODAY EVEN WITH GLASSES :(

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Lindsay Dorian"
<iamentropygirl@...> wrote:
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> My cat TK did the same thing after we bought her pork tenderloin
> (on sale 90% off due to best before date : )
>
> she refused all other food I started putting just a bit of pork pieces
> mixed in with what I wanted her to eat, that way if she wanted to dig
> out the pork she had to get some of the "residue" of the other meats
> on her. I also stored other meat/bones in a baggie with pork so it
> would smell a little "piggy"
>
> even if your cat only eats the pork at least she is getting something,
> I prefered to feed just pork rather than go back to canned, and TK is
> back to eating mostly whatever we give her
>
> we also have a dog, so luckily in our house nothing gets wasted : )
>
>
> Lindsay
>

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10a. Re: Little odgs
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:57 am ((PDT))

Hi Geraldine,

Yes, I do offer him chicken thighs/bone in too.

If I am feeding both meals for the day of chicken I just find it
easier to remove the meat from the thigh, as two big chunks of bone
per day is too much bone in his diet and I find 1 leg/bone and 1
thigh/no bone gives him the 4 oz of meat he needs per day....

I was just using that as an example of feeding for the day.

Mine eats slabs of beef, buffalo, elk, rabbit, offal and anything
that walks, runs or
hops and is available for feeding, lol.........

Just took him in for his first tooth cleaning (never had a big
problem with plack)and found a bad tooth...only 1 & he's 9 yrs..

It surprised the vet and me too.He always checks his mouth when
we go in for any other problem, so gums, etc always looked good.

I had noticed he was only chewing on one side and figured something
was up, showed no other symptoms

After a rough couple of days here he's on the mend.....so back to
chewing soon!

Carol, Charkee & Maggie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "geraldinebutterfield"
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> >Hi Carol,
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> Do you ever feed the thigh with the bone?
>
> geraldine

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11a. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
Posted by: "kevinvictorbutton" kevinvictorbutton@yahoo.co.uk kevinvictorbutton
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:46 am ((PDT))

hi kelly
thanks for your reply.
i took the plunge, and have given up kibble. our local freezer shop
had a special offer on whole chicken legs, so have started juno on
them. am going to invest in a small chest freezer tomorrow, and go and
see my good local butcher (i used to teach him, and he remembers his
old teacher!)
since she had the inconclusive blood test i've been feeding her raw
pancreas, and i think she is gradually putting on weight. i read on
one of the raw feeding sites (there are so many!) that raw meat is
full of enzymes, so hopefully that and the pancreas will do the trick.
do you still have to feed pancreas , or do things right themselves?
i'm going to stick with chicken for a few days more before trying to
introduce anything else, and just take things gradually.
thanks again, Linda

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12. supplement w/digestive enzymes?
Posted by: "Monica" mommyof2gals@comcast.net mommyof2gals
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:13 am ((PDT))

My dog is 4yrs old and has been rawfed since he was 6mths old.

Last April he was violently ill - throwing up, loose stools, couldn't
even keep water down. Went to the vet, did the xrays, blood work etc.
couldn't find anything wrong. They rehydrated him, gave him some meds
to stop the vomitting and after a few days he was much better.

Here's the thing. He still vomits dinner several nights a week. Some
days he is right as rain, others he seems ill (listless, whiney,
upset tummy). The vet can't find anything wrong with him but I am
terrified that he is really sick.

She suggested either switching to Evo for a while (she does support
the rawfeeding but is wondering if since his illness he needs easy to
digest food - meat without bone gives him the runs) and/or to add
digestive enzymes to see if that helps. What do you all think?

Do you have any ideas what could be wrong with him? Its really scary
when the vet even throws up her hands in confusion.

thanks
Monica and Loki

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