[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11801

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
From: kaseyfrankie
1b. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
From: carnesbill
1c. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
From: kevinvictorbutton
1d. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
From: Michael Moore

2a. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
From: Ash
2b. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
From: Andrea
2c. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
From: pet.wellness
2d. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: first time to Asian market now with questions
From: Andrea

4a. Re: Charkee had a tooth pulled yesterday........Update
From: tottime47
4b. Re: Charkee had a tooth pulled yesterday........Update
From: costrowski75

5. Dehydrated Liver
From: tgberman

6a. Ah ha Tomo eats lettuce?
From: tottime47

7. Re: Emu neck, backs, legs - anyone fed them?
From: Lori C

8a. Medication Questions
From: brake4breyers832
8b. Re: Medication Questions
From: pet.wellness

9a. Re: Charkee had a tooth pulled today..........need advice........
From: pet.wellness

10a. Re: Pork Neck Bones
From: Yasuko herron

11a. Re: After vomiting,started shaking head frequently..what is wrong wi
From: Yasuko herron

12a. Re: Glucosamine for Arthritis due to Dysplasia
From: miningcamp_labs

13. Where to go for cheap meat in NJ?
From: creativevazquez

14. filler food
From: verrelli

15a. Re: Cow heads?
From: Yasuko herron
15b. Re: Cow heads?
From: Yasuko herron

16. Cheap chicken parts in North East PA!!
From: Kendra

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1a. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
Posted by: "kaseyfrankie" Julian1013@aol.com kaseyfrankie
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:38 am ((PDT))

Hi Linda,
I also have a female GSD, 11 months old and she is pretty lean as
well. I began her on Raw when she was about 8 1/2 months and have seen
nothing but imporovements since. The changes in her poop alone will
amaze you. With Raw it is suggested to begin cold turkey because
feeding kibble after a raw meal and vise versa can cause intestinal
upset, seeing as how the raw is digested much faster. With Sophie I
started her out on chicken leg quarters. Chicken is bland and is a
great starter, a lot of dogs aren't ready to tackle beef and such
right away. Give her a large chicken leg quarter once a day and I just
bought 2 packs of gizzards and hearts and divide them up with the leg
quarters so she has a little organ meat as well. Once she gets used to
that and seems to digest it fine you could throw in some chicken
livers also, but liver is rich so I wouldn't give it right away. My
GSD will absolutly not touch fish and doesn't prefer turkey.. so you
will find her personal preferences as you go along. Good luck and
welcome!
Kasey S.

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1b. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:38 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kevinvictorbutton"
<kevinvictorbutton@...> wrote:
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> i've read that you shouldn't feed
> kibble and raw at the same meal. so my questions are:
> 1)how do i get going, cold turkey, or gradually, if so how?
> 2) does anyone have experience of EPI?
> 3) can anyone recommend a good book to read, if i go down
> this route
> i want to make sure she has all the right vitamins, trace elements
> etc.
> 4)what is the best thing to get started on?

Linda,
Check out my web page at http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

for the answers to most of your questions. Read the book "Work
Wonders" by Dr. Tom Lonsdale. You can find it at

http://www.rawmeatybones.com and you can download it in PDF format
for free at the same location.

A few informative web sites are:
http://rawfeddogs.net/

--- be sure and check the recipes page.
http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1c. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
Posted by: "kevinvictorbutton" kevinvictorbutton@yahoo.co.uk kevinvictorbutton
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:02 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kevinvictorbutton"
> <kevinvictorbutton@> wrote:
> >
> > i've read that you shouldn't feed
> > kibble and raw at the same meal. so my questions are:
> > 1)how do i get going, cold turkey, or gradually, if so how?
> > 2) does anyone have experience of EPI?
> > 3) can anyone recommend a good book to read, if i go down
> > this route
> > i want to make sure she has all the right vitamins, trace
elements
> > etc.
> > 4)what is the best thing to get started on?
>
> Linda,
> Check out my web page at http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

> for the answers to most of your questions. Read the book "Work
> Wonders" by Dr. Tom Lonsdale. You can find it at
> http://www.rawmeatybones.com and you can download it in PDF format
> for free at the same location.
>
> A few informative web sites are:
> http://rawfeddogs.net/

--- be sure and check the recipes page.
> http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
> http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html
>
> Bill Carnes
> http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
>
> Feeding Raw since October 2002
>
> "Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
> Dr. Tom Lonsdale
>

Thank you both very much for your prompt replies, and Bill your site
was very informative. i've decided to go for it, starting tonight.
i'll keep you posted on progress.
Linda

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1d. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:54 am ((PDT))

Okay, Linda, I'll share my GSD experiences with you, but first, relax and breathe deeply. It's much less complicated than you are making it. Honest.

>>1)how do i get going, cold turkey, or gradually, if so how?<<

Cold turkey!! Or beef. Or chicken. Just stopping feeding kibble and start feeding raw.

>>2) does anyone have experience of EPI?<<

Yes!! Lots of folks on the list feed EPI dogs. My rescue GSD, Holly, included.

>>3) can anyone recommend a good book to read, if i go down this route i want to make sure she has all the right vitamins, trace elements etc.<<

Yes, Dr. Tom Lonsdale's "Work Wonders" which you can download free on his website www.rawmeatybones.com for free.
And here's where I believe you are overthinking this (as many of us do initially). Think about this: for thousands of years, dogs were fed what nature intended -- raw meat with bones, and some organs (offal). The species thrived. It's only since the advent of kibble (1930's) that many problems and diseases came into being. If you feed a species appropriate raw diet (and yes, we know that prey model *is* the most species appropriate), you will not need to concern yourself with vitamins, trace elements, etc. -- it's all provided for you by Mother Nature.

>>4)what is the best thing to get started on?<<

The best thing is whatever you can find/have on hand/can afford. Many folks start with chicken because it's inexpensive and readily available most places. But some start with venison or pork or beef. It does seem best to stick with one meat for a week or two so the dog can adjust. I kept my GSD on chicken exclusively for a month, as her digestive system was really out of whack, but now she can eat almost anything without issue. She's been rawfed for 6 yrs., and is healthy and happy.
Good luck with your journey, and please know that it is the *best* thing you can do for your GSD!!

-- Anne Moore, who's lived with GSDs for over 30 yrs., in NW Ohio

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2a. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
Posted by: "Ash" want4rain@yahoo.com want4rain
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:38 am ((PDT))

to update and answer some questions- a tortie is a domestic short hair
cat with tortoiseshell markings.

and i dont mean to be rude here but when i said she should weigh 8lbs
at her smallest that was slightly malnutritioned and currently she
weighs THREE POUNDS. if anyone had the weight of cats bones in
adulthood id be interested in what that is because i betcha she is
pretty close to that mark. there is no meat on her at all. im thankful
that she is simply moving. my vet was plainly shocked at the feel of
her. i dont feel she is capable of going through the first steps of
raw. i can not afford to have her barfing up her food for a few days.
her body can not handle the physical stress of it, let alone going
without that nutrition. thats aside from the physical changes she
would have to adjust from being fed.... god knows what before.

also, when raw feeding you feed on a weekly basis. you make sure that
in a weeks time they get what they need. eat a little meat and bones
today. a little offal the next day... a different animal, a whole
fish... right now she needs as much nutrition as she can get in a day.

bottom line while raw is ideal for a healthy cat, thats beside the
point. she is *quite* unhealthy. a home made diet is better than what
my vets sponsored with.

i also have adoptablilty to think of. while the raw movement is
catching on, far more people feed kibble and in all honesty, id settle
for someone who was willing to feed Wellness, as long as it wasnt
grocery store cat food.

update-
we will finish up the foster papers today or tomorrow at the latest.
we had her wormed last night and put a dose of Sentinel on her. i
think i picked off 11 ticks?? YUCK! hopefully in the next few days she
will be flea free. no ear mites, no upper respiratory issues so far.
she has had 2 good poops. im down to feeding her 3 full servings of
what i feed my adults cats daily lol!! she is wolfing all of it down.

if there is anyone who has rehabilitated a starved cat, id greatly
appreciate some advice.

thank you!!

-ashley

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2b. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:46 am ((PDT))

Ok, it makes a little more sense now. I have been under the
impression that this little one was a dog, not a cat. It's a whole
lot different trying to switch a cat to raw in the first place, much
less if they are sick, but I still think you should feed as much raw
as she will take.

Last year one of my cats went missing for two or three months. When
he came back he was severely malnourished. We had to dice up heart,
pork, raw tuna, anything that would entice him to eat and soak it in
canned tuna water. We also blended liver and chicken meat to force
feed him later, but he hated it. Unfortunately, he came home with HL
and his liver was so damaged that we couldn't save him.

Sadly, last month Juggernaut's brother, Xavier, was bitten by a black
widow or something and got really sick. He stopped eating enough and
just hid under the bed. After knowing what happened with his
brother, we started doing anything we could to get him to eat. My bf
started by just feeding canned ki**le, because he was sure Xavier
would eat it. After a week of stuffing himself with the canned, he
was still hiding under the bed and losing a litte weight. I started
chopping up hearts and pork for him but at first he refused. I mixed
the raw with the canned and he ate it happily. Every day he would
get more raw and less canned. His recovery was very quick once he
starte eating raw again. Now he is back to refusing canned food and
trying to steal the dogs' food.

For now, don't worry so much about "balanced" meals. If you can't
get over the idea of balanced, take the time to chop up a tiny bit of
organ for every meal. Use bribe foods if you have to, but you'll
never know how she does with it until you try. She might take right
to it, and if she doesn't you can always add good raw food to
something she will eat.

She may or may not get adopted by someone who will continue raw
feeding, but that is no reason to deprive her of good food now. I'm
glad that she is eating, though, it's a great sign. The best food I
can recommend is pork for putting on some healthy weight.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Ash" <want4rain@...> wrote:
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> to update and answer some questions- a tortie is a domestic short
> hair cat with tortoiseshell markings.

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2c. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:02 am ((PDT))

Good for you, rescuing this stray and helping to restore her health.
Personally, I think you are underestimating the survival skills of
cats. It's very likely she's survived this long by scavenging and
hunting, eating anything and everything. Why would her adaptability
change when she enters a human home? Clearly, you want to do the best
by her that you can. If she has a voracious appetite and keeps it
down, feed her raw. It really is a better choice. If you rehome her
and her new humans won't feed raw, she'll adapt. Cats are survivors.
Pamela

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Ash" <want4rain@...> wrote:
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> to update and answer some questions- a tortie is a domestic short hair
> cat with tortoiseshell markings.
>
>
> bottom line while raw is ideal for a healthy cat, thats beside the
> point. she is *quite* unhealthy. a home made diet is better than what
> my vets sponsored with.
>
>

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2d. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:30 am ((PDT))

"Ash" <want4rain@...> wrote:
> i dont feel she is capable of going through the first steps of
> raw. i can not afford to have her barfing up her food for a few
days.
> her body can not handle the physical stress of it, let alone going
> without that nutrition.
*****
Do you know she is unwilling to eat raw food? Or are you assuming
she will not/cannot? If you haven't offered her any succulent bits
you should at least it a try. Just because you are more comfortable
with kibble doesn't mean she is. And there is no question at all the
nutrition raw food delivers will be less stressful than anything
kibble can offer.

hats aside from the physical changes she
> would have to adjust from being fed.... god knows what before.
*****
Right, who the heck knows what she ate before! Precisely. Why
assume it was kibble? Given the hiatus between meals, perhaps this
would be an appropriate time to try raw. While it's abundantly clear
you cannot allow her to starve, I think you should give her a stab at
raw before you feed kibble. This may be a case in which your comfort
level and hers are in conflict.

> also, when raw feeding you feed on a weekly basis. you make sure
that
> in a weeks time they get what they need. eat a little meat and bones
> today. a little offal the next day... a different animal, a whole
> fish... right now she needs as much nutrition as she can get in a
day.
*****
Great excuse, doesn't work. If you have to get a bit of "everything"
in her day by day, you do it. There is not likely a person here who
will tell you feed "big picture" if "little picture" is what you need
to do.

The fact is, if you do feed "big picture" she will indeed get all the
nutrition she needs, but there is no reason not to feed "complete and
balanced" each day if you see such an approach being useful. I think
it is your lack of confidence, experience and knowledge that leads
you to these conclusions.

> bottom line while raw is ideal for a healthy cat, thats beside the
> point. she is *quite* unhealthy. a home made diet is better than
what
> my vets sponsored with.
*****
Again, close but no cigar. Raw is not the bailiwick of the the
healthy, nor is it the realm of the wealthy. How you can expect to
get maximum bio-available nutritional via kibble is no sense to me.
A species appropriate diet works for big, small, young, old, healthy,
sick, weak, strong. It will not work though if you don't feed it.

> i also have adoptablilty to think of. while the raw movement is
> catching on, far more people feed kibble and in all honesty, id
settle
> for someone who was willing to feed Wellness, as long as it wasnt
> grocery store cat food.
*****
Hey, you get full marks for nailing all the prevailing arguments
proposed by rescue operations. Still, this one is as much without
support as your others.

What happens to the cat down the road will be determined down the
road. What you can do NOW is what you should be addressing. What
difference YOU can make now matters now, not what SOMEONE else will
or won't do later. You have no more reason to expect her forever
home to feed Wellness over Friskies than feed Wellness instead of
raw. Why even try to envision how dumbed down her diet will get?
People can do that without your help. Feed top notch now, let the
future invent itself.

You get the highest quality, most appropriate food into the girl and
perhaps just perhaps the adopter will a. also be a raw feeder or b.
be inclined to switch to raw based on your recommendation. And who's
to prevent you from choosing to place the cat with a raw household?

I recommend you allow her to try bits of raw meat, including bits of
liver, before you retreat to the known comfort of kibble; if she eats
raw excellent but if she doesn't and you feed kibble, consider adding
bits of raw meat to her processed food. You just never know.

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Chris O

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3a. Re: first time to Asian market now with questions
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:38 am ((PDT))

I live in California, and when I find it at a market (which is rare) it
is usually $2.50-3/lb. And usually it is a leg or some other
beautifully trimmed piece. Luckily we can buy it through our buying
group for Southern Ca for $1.37/lb. This is a whole goat cut into 6
pieces, and some are less meaty than others, but the boys really love
it.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "delcaste" <delcaste@...> wrote:

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> What is a good price for goat? I'm going to try my asian market.

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4a. Re: Charkee had a tooth pulled yesterday........Update
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:49 am ((PDT))

Ok,He threw up a little last night about 11:30

Odd thing was none of the chicken I'd fed earlier was in it.

It was slimy and clear to light brown....just one glob...

This morning I woke up to runny stools everywhere and he was laying
with his head in the empty water bowl.......He just barely raised it
to look at me....it was pitiful and put me into a tizzy, lol...

I put a little water in the bowl......not wanting to give to fast
and he drank it.......

about an hour later offered some ground chicken,he seemed interested
and took a few bites,then backed off...did drink more water
and trying to potty again......

He is peeing......but still seems very out of it.......Is this ok
or is it time to call the vet?

I've never had a dog have a tooth pulled before and he just seems
not right......

Other problems he's had, he's bounced right back, not a whinny type
of dog......

He has quit crying, so that helps,cause I wasn't sure if it was pain
or hunger....

Chris O, Jeni & Ginny, Thanks for your common sense advice, it helped
me make
it through the night without calling doc's cell phone number, lol.
I'm sure he appreciates it too.

Carol & Charkee (so, am I sick or not?)

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4b. Re: Charkee had a tooth pulled yesterday........Update
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:38 am ((PDT))

"tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:
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>> I've never had a dog have a tooth pulled before and he just seems
> not right......
>
> Other problems he's had, he's bounced right back, not a whinny type
> of dog......
>
> He has quit crying, so that helps,cause I wasn't sure if it was pain
> or hunger....
*****
This does not sound like a comfortable extraction to me. I would be
talking the vet I would, 'twere me. This strikes me more as pain than
hunger. If you were not sent home with pain meds, you should talk to
your vet about them. Whether they're allopathic or homeopathic or
holistic, there's nothing wrong with pain relief.

Please let us know what's up.
Chris O

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5. Dehydrated Liver
Posted by: "tgberman" me@toddberman.com tgberman
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:53 am ((PDT))

I recently bought a large amount of beef liver. I dehydrated it and
feet it to my pooch as treats. I have three questions on this...

Some of the liver i cut up was a little thicker cut, so it is not dry
and leathery (it is a little soft in the middle)... will this go bad
if it is kept in the refrigerator? I am pretty sure the fully dry
ones will last a while.

Second, does dehydrating take away a lot of the nutrients (like
cooking). He gets a few of these treats a day and I am wondering if
giving him the treats, plus adding some liver to his meals is too
much? Should I count the dried liver as organ meat, or is it really
just "bonus"?

Thanks!

Todd (and Phred)

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6a. Ah ha Tomo eats lettuce?
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:13 am ((PDT))

Sorry, last post just went through without signature.

So........now we know what you're really feeding that boy, lol

Carol & Charkee

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> Don't tell Tomo! We eat with chopsticks every day. Tonight it was
> salad and beef liver (yes, raw...).
>
> ginny and Tomo, "Stickman"
>

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7. Re: Emu neck, backs, legs - anyone fed them?
Posted by: "Lori C" labcope@yahoo.com labcope
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:23 am ((PDT))

Hi,
Has anyone fed Emu necks, backs or legs? I am wondering how much meat is on the meaty backs and necks. Also, are the leg bones too big and hard (for retrievers) or are they edible? I'm getting ready to place an order and want to know what the best parts are....
Thanks!
Lori C

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8a. Medication Questions
Posted by: "brake4breyers832" pebbles_diehl@hotmail.com brake4breyers832
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:23 am ((PDT))

Hello everyone, I just joined recently and am thoroughly enjoying
reading all the posts and info about this wonderful way of feeding.
I have two chihuahua's (5 and 3 yrs.) and a dachshund (9 mo.) who I
want to put on this diet. It just makes sense! The chihuahua's are
mother and daughter, daughter was the runt and is only about 2-2 1/2
lbs., but I think she will be able to take the natural food just
fine. Should I worry about her blood sugar levels? I plan on
feeding twice a day (small meat meal in the morn. and the rest of
the meal w/bones-starting w/chicken first-in the evening).
They usually have free access to the food and it hasn't been a
problem until recently. The mother chihuahua, after being fixed a
few months ago has gained a lot of weight. The vet said it was only
about a pound, pound 1/2, but she looks and acts miserable. We have
been fighting skin "allergies" (prescribed by vet) and she is on
Temaril-P (trimeprazine tartrate, prednisolone), 1/2 tablet a day
for basically the rest of her life. She also has frequent yeast
infections in her ears and both the chihuahua's breath reeks! I
know raw diet is not a miracle cure, but if it can help in any way,
plus it is natural, it would help her out tons. My question is,
should I continue the Temaril, then wean her off and see how it goes
on the diet, stop completely, or not? When should I try to wean
her? Thank you so much and I will continue to do my research for
anything else. I think I am going to start them next week!
Susan D.
Chloe, Pip and Frankie

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8b. Re: Medication Questions
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:54 am ((PDT))

> Should I worry about her blood sugar levels?

Blood sugar should not be an issue when you are feeding raw. High or
low blood sugar is more often caused by grain-based kibble.

We have
> been fighting skin "allergies" (prescribed by vet) and she is on
> Temaril-P (trimeprazine tartrate, prednisolone), 1/2 tablet a day
> for basically the rest of her life. She also has frequent yeast
> infections in her ears and both the chihuahua's breath reeks!

Skin allergies and yeast infections are the symptoms of a severely
compromised immune system. This often occurs as a side effect of
over-vaccinating our pets. I highly recommend that you contact a
homeopathic vet to help with these conditions as well as guide you
while you withdraw the vet meds. Suppressive treatments manage
symptoms but do not cure the disease. They are also known to have side
effects that can damage your dog's liver and set her up for chronic
disease or worse as you get down the road.

No more vaccinations. A good raw diet. Homeopathic treatment to
eliminate the effects of previous vaccinations. Your babies should be
all set for a long and healthy life.

Pamela

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "brake4breyers832"
<pebbles_diehl@...> wrote:
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> When should I try to wean
> her? Thank you so much and I will continue to do my research for
> anything else. I think I am going to start them next week!
> Susan D.
> Chloe, Pip and Frankie
>

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9a. Re: Charkee had a tooth pulled today..........need advice........
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:43 am ((PDT))

I'm no expert but I think the vet may have wanted you to withhold food
for 24 hours to be sure that the blood clotted in the empty tooth
socket. "Dry socket" can be extremely painful in humans. I can't image
that dogs are an exception. Beyond that, he was also being careful not
to upset you, the client, if the dog reacted to the anesthesia by
vomiting. Pamela

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:
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> Ok had to have a tooth pulled today, molar in the back...
>
>

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10a. Re: Pork Neck Bones
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:44 am ((PDT))

>My 20 lb. Boston does well with the bone density of these

Hi,Laurie. I have fed second time the porkneck bone and my corgi that weigh around 30lb consume all bone and meat. It is not as soft as chicken bones but she is ok with that.

This morning, I woke up 1 hour later than usual weekdays and,I came out from shower and heard wiered noise from my dog's crate area. So,I looked inside and she made noise and vomited yellow bile and followed by that,only 1 piece of neckbone I fed yesterday came out.

It is probably combination of bit late to be fed and one piece of bone was too dense maybe??

I wake up at same time today to usual weekends but,have had no problems of empty stomack before on weekends.

Do you think the vomiting was due for bone only? or combination of bit late to be fed for weekdays and bone density?

I did not see bits and pieces of bones coming out,just 1 pice, foot tumb nail sized length and 2nd hand finger width,and not too big but,maybe could not pass through the intestine due density..

I thought about fasting her a bit but since I doid not see many piece of bones,I fed her chicken;the basic meal. It is not coming out yet so,it be in her tum ok I think.

yassy

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11a. Re: After vomiting,started shaking head frequently..what is wrong wi
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:44 am ((PDT))

>> Just another reason why dogs should NOT use chopsticks!
Hi,Lora. Well,I used chopstick to get the marrow inside the bone because stick is easy to slide in and can fish thing out.Well,it did too well so,she ended up vomiting for too rich snack though:-P No more big marrow snack meal for palette..

> Tonight it was salad and beef liver (yes, raw...).
Hi,Ginny. Your dog eat lettace too? My dog eat lettace too.She likes crunchy part only so,if you give lettace to my dog,she will leave leaf for you to pick up.I do not give her lots of lettace but,She like that.

yassy

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12a. Re: Glucosamine for Arthritis due to Dysplasia
Posted by: "miningcamp_labs" miningcamp_labs@yahoo.com miningcamp_labs
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:47 am ((PDT))

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>My big boy is doing well on raw diet alone so far, but it's only been
seven days since we started. I still give him "Dog Gone Pain", just in
case. On our recent pre RAW camping trip I forgot his supplements.
With all the running and exercise he got really lame so we made a trip
to town to get them for him and they helped tremendously. I just don't
want him to go through that again. I'm hoping RAW will make all the
difference, but at home he doesn't get all that exercise, just
swimming, so it's hard to tell. Thanks for all the info, Chris O.
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13. Where to go for cheap meat in NJ?
Posted by: "creativevazquez" creativevazquez@yahoo.com creativevazquez
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:01 am ((PDT))

I would like anyone out there who is from New Jersey to share where
they get there meats resonably priced. I live about an hour west of ny
and 30 minutes east of pennsylvania. I would like to find good sources
of chicken,rabbit (which is very expensive at supermarket)beef, venison
or any other meats. Greentripe if I wanted to feed would probably have
to get it online. Any suggestions would help? I have two young lab
poodle mix that are 7 months and around 45lbs and always hungry. They
easilly eat a half chicken and look around for more so I need some
money saving tips and sources. Here in the northeast everything is
very expensive. We've been feeding raw mostly chicken for about a
month. So far dogs ok one reallys needs to gain a little.
Gloria
Labradoodle babies

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14. filler food
Posted by: "verrelli" ktverrelli@bellsouth.net verrelli
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:54 am ((PDT))

What does one feed when activity level decreases

For example it's summer and very hot my dogs don't want to do for long
walks (me neither) so I am cutting back on their food

I would like to give them something to satisfy them when they dont'
get much (just giving extra bones doesn't seem to help - it either
binds them up or if there is marrow makes them fatter)

Kellie Verrelli

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15a. Re: Cow heads?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:54 am ((PDT))

Hi,the cow head comes with brain inside too??

I read somewhere that if you like to avoid madcow disease,avoid feeding brain of cows.

Are they safe enough?

yassy

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15b. Re: Cow heads?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:54 am ((PDT))

>For my dogs, there is really not alot of meat on the head

Hi,Jeni. I read that cow head is about 40-50 lbs on prey4pets.com. Cow is a big animal and I can imagine why so heavy but,not much meat for your dog?I read still cheek meat is around.Still not much meat?How big is your dog?

My dog is corgi and last time months ago was 30lb.She probably lost some weight I feel,but even for her,not much meat?

Her BD coming up on 29th August,and,I just had a slight idea that maybe it will be a nice BD surprise present for her.

My questions doing that is that,of course,the dogs would not eat head bones and teeth,I imagine so,you toss into garbage bin correct? Trash guy say nothing about it?

Our garbage guy,when contracted with them,they sent us what you can toss and cannot toss and one of the item was dead animal body. I know that bone is not dead body but, bone part of animals,do they take without any problems?

And, for 30 lb dog,daily take about 10oz(less than 1 lb) for 2% intake to be exact,is it going to be too much and give goo poop afterwords?

If the meat on it was more than good enough for my dog (corgi is well known for they do not know when to stop eating I heard from breeder),and one dog ate much much much more than usual take,then, how many days do you fast dogs?

just curious.

thank you

yassy

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16. Cheap chicken parts in North East PA!!
Posted by: "Kendra" kbbooks@ptd.net knkbor
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:55 am ((PDT))

I just got back from the grocery store, having HAD to go on a hunt for
meat since I've been out of it for the last 24 hrs.
I hit the jackpot this morning on chicken!
Shoprite in Brodheadsville (Stroudsburg area of Pennsylvania) had
Tyson Natural (no hormones, no antibiotic, no additives) chicken:
gizzards and hearts $.53/lb; backs $.53/lb; leg quarters $.59 lb!
These are NOT products I've EVER seen there! I've been looking,
believe me and this is the market I usually shop at. I've been
desperate to find inexpensive meat for these dogs and getting very
discouraged about not finding it, so this is so rewarding for me.

I got 4 pkgs of the hearts/gizzards and 4 of the leg quarters (great
price on those; can't get that anywhere around here i've seen) and 2
of the backs. I hope they keep carrying them. The livers were on
sale too.... can't remember how much but I got a box of those. I'm
planning to go back at the beginning of next week for more and hope
they have it. I figure when the meat dept sees how much they sold in
just one day, of something they don't usually carry, maybe they'll be
sure and keep ordering it!

I rushed home and tore open the pkgs.. so excited to feed my dogs;
LOL, you'd think I had just found GOLD!

Kendra, mom to two beautiful Airedales

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