[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11797

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. admin: non raw food
From: bluegracepwd

2a. Little odgs
From: betty hinson
2b. Re: Little odgs
From: carnesbill
2c. Re: Little odgs
From: brutus_buckley
2d. Re: Little odgs
From: tottime47

3a. Re: Just fed a beef testicle...
From: rach9876

4a. Concerned about my peke
From: Eve
4b. Re: Concerned about my peke
From: Andrea

5a. Re: Spoiled meat
From: carnesbill
5b. Re: Spoiled meat
From: Penny (Nickles) Parker

6a. Re: BAD GIRL WILL ONLY EAT PORK :(
From: emilystep

7a. Re: And ONE more???
From: Lyse Garant

8a. Re: ate the whole piece...
From: Lyse Garant

9.1. Re: allergies
From: Penny (Nickles) Parker

10. Starved Stray Food Suggestions
From: Ash

11a. Re: Cutting up chicken
From: Marion
11b. Re: Cutting up chicken
From: brutus_buckley
11c. Re: Cutting up chicken
From: carnesbill
11d. Re: Cutting up chicken
From: Andrea

12. more victories for Raw
From: cinjoel

13a. question and funny story
From: moniquemcelwee
13b. Re: question and funny story
From: Sonja

14a. first time to Asian market now with questions
From: Joanne Bartling
14b. Re: first time to Asian market now with questions
From: Andrea

15a. Re: Cheap meat sources, and an egg question
From: chele519

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1a. admin: non raw food
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:54 am ((PDT))

Hi all,

It's probably timely I remind a few people that this is the raw
feeding email list. We keep the discussion to raw food for pets
only. If you'd like to discuss kibble, or pre-made products, feel
free to do that on other email lists.

If you'd like to discuss that with me, email me privately -
janea@tpg.com.au

I'll tell you now, I've just gone into approve messages, and I've just
deleted emails asking questions about so called "high" quality
kibbles. I will continue to delete them. This is not the list for
that discussion.

with thanks,

Jane
List Owner.

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2a. Little odgs
Posted by: "betty hinson" b_hinson@sbcglobal.net paps4jesus
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:55 am ((PDT))

Can any body what type of meats with the bone would be good for little Papillion's. Its hard to find any butchers around here. does chicken wings have enough meat/ Can you feed turkey necks? Pork makes them sick. I do give them beef ribs to chew on but feed thisis not enough meat. How about chiken necks too much bone not enough meat??
Betty Hinson
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2b. Re: Little odgs
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:59 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "betty hinson" <b_hinson@...>
wrote:
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> Can any body what type of meats with the bone would be good for
little Papillion's.

I think you are looking at this through blinders, Betty. It doesn't
matter if wings have enough meat or not. If you don't think they
do, feed wings one meal and feed boneless meat the next. It will
all balance out. You can feed chunks of beef roast with no bone.
You can feed boneless chicken breasts or turkey. There are lots of
boneless stuff you can feed.

Don't worry a lot about feeding too much bone. The exact amount of
bone they eat is not critical. I think its more important to work
on getting a variety in the diet.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2c. Re: Little odgs
Posted by: "brutus_buckley" brutus_buckley@yahoo.com brutus_buckley
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:33 am ((PDT))

Hi Betty,

I think it's natural to fret a little over meal planning until you
get comfortable. I don't know how long you have been feeding raw, but
it took me a few months of feeding before I could really relax about
meal planning. What helped me was to plan my dog's meals weekly, not
daily, keeping the 80/10/10 ratio and lots of variety in mind. For
example, my dog might get pork ribs one day, which have more bone in
them, and then a boneless meal of beef the next day. As long as it
balances out, it's fine. I don't worry about the daily meal anymore;
I just pick something from the pile I have defrosted for that week.

If your dog can't tolerate pork, consider rabbit, turkey, chicken and
fish. These are are all great sources of edible bone. If you can't
find these locally at your grocery stores, check out smaller markets,
ethnic markets or online sources. For example, I buy my green tripe
and my rabbit online. Look for a local raw feeding co-op group; I
have found my local group to be a fantastic resource.

Avoid animal parts like wings or necks unless they are attached to a
larger piece. Not because of bone content, but because small items
could be swallowed whole. Try cutting up a whole chicken for your
dog, or offer leg quarters or breasts with attached ribs. If this is
too much for one meal, take it away after letting your dog eat it for
awhile and save the rest for the next meal.

-Renee W.

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2d. Re: Little odgs
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:27 am ((PDT))

Hi Betty,

I have a small Peke, 10 lbs.

On the days I give him chicken,

In the morning I will give him a leg, skin on
sometimes he eats part of the bone and sometimes he
doesn't.

In the evening I will debone a chicken thigh and just give him
the meat and skin.

He is supposed to have 4% or so of meat per day..........

If you debone a leg, most of them average out to 2 oz. of actual
meat, at least
the ones I buy here do...same for a chicken thigh minus the
bones.........

(I buy mine fresh from a butcher and buy the youngest, smaller ones
so they have softer bones)

If you give a bone meal like a chicken neck, wing, etc. then just
add some meat to it or make sure the next meal is all meat.

Carol & Charkee

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "betty hinson" <b_hinson@...>
wrote:
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> Can any body what type of meats with the bone would be good for
little Papillion's.

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3a. Re: Just fed a beef testicle...
Posted by: "rach9876" rach9876@yahoo.com rach9876
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:59 am ((PDT))

Well, it's the next morning now and so far so good. No squirts here -
just one happy pup! Thanks.

Rachel

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4a. Concerned about my peke
Posted by: "Eve" loulou_bean@yahoo.com loulou_bean
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:44 am ((PDT))

Hi

I've noticed a change in my dog the last few days. He
started on raw chicken once a day three days ago. He
seems more lethargic and a little depressed. I have no
idea if I'm giving him the right amount. I know that
it should be 2-3% of his body weight, but it's kinda
hard to gauge the amount visually when he's eating
straight off the chicken. I let him have the chicken
for a while last night--it seemed like he ate a bunch
and even ate some bone. Maybe I'm paranoid, but he is
starting to feel a little skinnier to me. I can feel
his ribs more. I am concerned.

He also hasn't pooped in three days.

What do I do???

Eve, NY

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4b. Re: Concerned about my peke
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:16 am ((PDT))

Perhaps you should give her the chicken quarters and let her eat her
fill once a day. Little dogs often need more than 2-3% of their
ideal weight. Don't worry about measuring, let her do it for you.
If you find in a while that she's getting pudgy, you can start taking
the food away when she's had enough.

As far as acting "lethargic" does that mean she just lays around all
day and doesn't do anything? Or does it mean she isn't her normal
nutty self? You might just be seeing her normal energy state for the
first time. The carbs in ki**le give dogs an excess of energy that
they don't need. It is likely your dog is not lethargic, but is
simply calm.

I've heard several newbies say their dogs didn't go for three days
after switching diets. It could be that the poo is so much smaller
they don't notice it, or it may just be the dog's body using
everything it can out of the food and not producing enough waste to
warrant an evacuation. I don't know, but as long as she doesn't seem
to be in distress, you shouldn't worry much. She'll go soon enough.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Eve <loulou_bean@...> wrote:
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> Hi
>
> I've noticed a change in my dog the last few days. He
> started on raw chicken once a day three days ago. He
> seems more lethargic and a little depressed.

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5a. Re: Spoiled meat
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:45 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "nwohiopma" <nwohiopma@...> wrote:

> Any advice for her on how to help her dog have normal stool again?

Fast the dog for a day then begin his raw diet all over again from
scratch using my recommendations from my web page at

http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Treat the dog as if he had never eaten raw before. Add new protein
sources slowly back to the diet.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5b. Re: Spoiled meat
Posted by: "Penny (Nickles) Parker" loverladymaggiemae@yahoo.com loverladymaggiemae
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:30 am ((PDT))

> Her dog ate a large piece of green, slimy, smelly pork out of the
> trash 3 weeks ago. She had thrown it out because it had started to
> smell. Ever since, the dog has had loose stool, only clearing up with
> chicken and bone. >
> Candace and the 4 Collies for Heather and Minx
>
For Heather and Minx

I would fast the dog for at least a day, maybe longer as he tolerates
it. Plenty of water, but no food. Let the gut rest. Then start with
a chicken (or part of a chicken) minus any organs. Stay on chicken and
see if the stool changes. If it doesn't she might want to have him vet
checked.
(Avoid all grains and dairy products of course.) Keep him on chicken
for a couple of weeks at least. Then gradually add in other meats one
at a time. Give each one a couple of weeks before adding another.
Make sure he is getting an appropriate amt of bone. More bone tends to
firm up stools, more organs tends to loosen up stools.
Keep us posted on how he does.
Penny & The Menagerie

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6a. Re: BAD GIRL WILL ONLY EAT PORK :(
Posted by: "emilystep" emilystep@yahoo.com emilystep
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:45 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "alliecaracleo"
<alliecaracleo@...> wrote:
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> I love my ribs too but Allie will only eat country style ribs. I
gave
> for a few meals, then switch to chicken or turkey heart or gizzard
and
> she went on fast. I dont have any beef which she has never had and
> wanted to use what is in freezer. I will buy some fish. Question
is how
> often is pork ok to eat? I understand variety concept for balance
but
> she loves her pork. Is it unhealthy for felines to consume pork
> regularly?
>
> Have a good one everyone
> Denise
>
I don't see a problem with a pork based diet, in general, as long as
there is a valid reason for one. And, IMO, pickiness is not a valid
reason. I think you have a behavioral issue on your hands, which I
would handle using tough love. I know things can be different with
cats (I only have dogs), but I'd make pork go away for a while. I'd
get this kitty back to eating what you feed. Once she's back to
eating chicken and turkey without objection, then offer the pork
again. The key is that you're in charge of what's on the menu- not
her.

Emily

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7a. Re: And ONE more???
Posted by: "Lyse Garant" lyse_garant@yahoo.com lyse_garant
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:00 am ((PDT))

Thank you very much Jeni...
Lyse etc.

John and Jeni Blackmon <jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
My two great danes, eat chicken among other things all the time, and lick and kiss on me and my husband, all the time. My husband won't admitt to it, but they do. My husband has a terminal disese, and he has no immune system. We are always careful, but that is the extent of it. He is very clean. I keep the kitchen somewhat clean, not too clean. I feed the dogs, when he does it, he does it with the tongs, or with gloves, not because of his immune system, because it grosses him out:) Our dogs are made to handle the viral load and the germs that come with eating raw meat of all kinds. And when it comes to transmitting stuff back and forth to your daughter, I think, and have been told by doctors, that it doesn't work that way. Dogs don't give us what they have, and we don't give them what we have. Except fleas. And a very rare few things not worth mentioning here. Salmonilla not one of them. Slobbering is not going to be a problem for you, it hasn't been one in our
house, and I'm sure it won't be in yours. And remember, they lick their behinds too, so we aren't worried about getting poopy mouth from that now are we?! Keep the area your dogs eat in clean, crates are good, a towell is sufficiant, the floor is fine, Teaching the dogs a spot to eat in is a wonderful training tool for you and your daughter to share in with the dogs, and learn to do it together. Wash up after, and wash your daughters face once in a while and I'm sure you could even kiss her too! I remember my old room mates daughter who used to pick her nose, and scratch her you-know what, and then would put her hand in her mothers mouth, and I would just gag, now, I just laugh, I eat while I clean up all sorts of stuff, nothing fazes me anymore, germs are out there, and we just need to keep ourselves a little cleaner:)
Goodluck mommy, and enjoy the wonderful world of puppydom/motherhood
Jeni

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8a. Re: ate the whole piece...
Posted by: "Lyse Garant" lyse_garant@yahoo.com lyse_garant
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:19 am ((PDT))

OKOK so we did a drumstick last night and one this morning. He ate it, took about 15 minutes on each piece, bone nicely chewed up too. THANKS EVERYONE... we are happy here today!

John and Jeni Blackmon <jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Lyse,
Yes, do the chicken, for a couple of weeks, that way they have to work at it, take their time eating, and digesting the food, and that is the whole chickens, with the innards too, that way you are covered on the organs, but not overdoing it. You can split the chicken up between the dogs, and the organs too, and then they both get what they need, and you don't have to always guess about meat/bones/organs, ratios and stuff, it all comes together eventually. It just doesn't have to happen at each individual meal. In a perfect world that would be great, but we aren't perfect and neither are our dogs.
Get some whole chickens, with everything, cut into halfs and then quarter those and start with that, and give the organs with the meal on the third or fourth day, after they have finished off the whole chicken. No need to cut it up anymore, or skin it. If you get small young chickens, at about 3 pounds each, a quarter of a chicken could be a good meal, for a day. Maybe less, maybe a little more, depending on how much energy they spend. They will let you know if they are still hungry. If a quarter seems like it wasn't enough, let them try a half, and see how much they eat, or if it seems too much, take it away and give the rest the next feeding. See how the guess work goes away, just like the chicken?! You could try game hens if that is easier than cutting up chickens, you wouldn't have to cut those up at all, give the whole bird:) It's all trial and error, and with the dogs, you really can't muck it up too much, because they get to eat either way:)
Happy shopping.
Jeni

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9.1. Re: allergies
Posted by: "Penny (Nickles) Parker" loverladymaggiemae@yahoo.com loverladymaggiemae
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:17 am ((PDT))

>
> I've never heard of it either. But...not dealing with allergies much,
I
> wondered if a full blown allergic response could involve respiratory
> symptoms too. >
>
> > I don't think food allergies cause sneezing. > >

Food allergies CAN cause very serious respiratory problems for a
canine. I have one Cavalier that is very allergiec to wheat as
determined by the elimination diet. He coughs, sneezes, has runny eyes
and a difficult time breathing in general. I keep injectable benadryl
on hand in case he ever consumes wheat in any source by accident. It
also causes severe itching all over his body and swelling around his
mouth.
I agree that many allergies are enviornmental...both indoors and
outdoors. Finding the source can be very tedious.
Best wishes for your and your pal.
Penny

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10. Starved Stray Food Suggestions
Posted by: "Ash" want4rain@yahoo.com want4rain
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:18 am ((PDT))

we had a little 9mo old + tortie show up on our back porch two nights
ago. we took her to the vet yesterday morning. she was not micro
chipped, we gave her a rabies shot and had her weighed. we dont have
the money to get her vaccinations taken care of nor get her wormed but
we are in contact with a local rescue who is (i assume) willing to pay
for those things if we foster her for them. cool deal to us, hopefully
we can do most of that stuff tomorrow.

well, she weighs 3lbs and just a few ounces when she should weigh at
least 8lbs at her skinniest. ive been feeding her cooked salmon,
oyster, calcium and cooked whole egg with the salmon being most of it,
a single oyster, a bit of crushed up calcium pill and a table spoon of
egg mix. yesterday we started with a single tbs to see if she could
hold it down, through out the day i think i gave her a total of 9(??)
table spoons of this and it all went down fantastic, she pooped well
this morning, peed 4 times... im watering it down well too.

does any one have any suggestions of something to help her gain weight
and yet still provide the missing nutrition? we plan on picking up a
nutritional supplement today from the vet. while we are big advocates
of raw and feed our pets raw, we do not feel comfortable feeding her
raw right now because of her health but i am willing to find a happy
middle ground by cooking some of the stuff we feed her.

if you want to discuss any of this i will be on YIM tomorrow most of
the day.

THANK YOU and sorry thats so long. :)

-ashley
(BTW my first post!! YAY!! im not a lerker anymore!!)

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11a. Re: Cutting up chicken
Posted by: "Marion" mbldesigns@yahoo.com mbldesigns
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:18 am ((PDT))

Thank you for your advice. We are feeding leg quarters, but we're
separating thighs and legs and backs so we can weigh it properly.
Bernie gets 7 ounces per meal and Connie gets 8 ounces per meal.
That equals about a thigh or a leg, but not both. We're trying to
keep on a budget, so we're weighing everything and everyone gets
their appropriate food weighed out to the ounce. Perhaps that isn't
such a good idea?

You're right, they do need to chew and I wish they would. So I
should stop cutting the leg quarters apart?

But how do I get the right amounts, like I said Bernie gets 7oz,
Connie 8oz, then Frankie 10 oz, Storm 12 oz, Duke 13 oz, Boston 14
oz, Badger 1 1/2 lbs, Felice 1 1/4 lbs. Each gets fed twice a day.
That totals about 100 lbs a week and with leg quarters is only $47.00
a week which is sooo good I'm liking that, but I can't keep having
Connie choking or not chewing and having us cut up his food (yup,
male named Connie, which is short for Constantine, he has a bit of an
identity crisis every now and then :) ). This cutting up thing is
going to get old really fast.

THanks,
Marion

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:

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> Legs and thighs are ok for very small dogs. For medium to large
> dogs, backs and quarters should be the minimum size.
>
> Bill Carnes
> http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
>
> Feeding Raw since October 2002
>
> "Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
> Dr. Tom Lonsdale
>

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11b. Re: Cutting up chicken
Posted by: "brutus_buckley" brutus_buckley@yahoo.com brutus_buckley
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:28 am ((PDT))

//We are feeding leg quarters, but we're separating thighs and legs and
backs so we can weigh it properly. //

***Here's what I would do: weigh the whole item, figure out how many
meals worth it is and then feed it over time. For example, say the
whole leg quarter is 2 meals worth. Feed half at one meal, take it away
and offer it again the next meal. That way they benefit from working on
a larger piece.
-Renee W.

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11c. Re: Cutting up chicken
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:28 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Marion" <mbldesigns@...> wrote:
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> Thank you for your advice. We are feeding leg quarters, but we're
> separating thighs and legs and backs so we can weigh it properly.
> Bernie gets 7 ounces per meal and Connie gets 8 ounces per meal.
> That equals about a thigh or a leg, but not both.

> We're trying to
> keep on a budget, so we're weighing everything and everyone gets
> their appropriate food weighed out to the ounce. Perhaps
> that isn't such a good idea?

It's more detail than you need to go into. If one dog should get
7oz/meal, its ok to feed him 21oz over 3 meals or 42oz over 6
meals. Each meal doesn't need to be exactly 7oz. So, what I'm
getting at is feed the dog a quarter over several meals. Doesn't
matter if he gets exactly the same amount each meal.

> You're right, they do need to chew and I wish they would. So I
> should stop cutting the leg quarters apart?

Yes, do as I suggest above.

> But how do I get the right amounts,

Feed each dog his quarter. Keep them in labeled baggies in the
fridge. Figure how many meals a quarter will make and feed it that
many times. BTW: you will continuously be adjusting volumes anyway
as the dogs get fatter or thinner. The EXACT amount is no more
critical for your dogs as it is for you to eat exactly the same
volume.

> but I can't keep having
> Connie choking or not chewing and having us cut up his food.

Feed him whole quarters and it should take care of that problem.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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11d. Re: Cutting up chicken
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

I agree, stop cutting the quarters for your dogs. There is no need
to figure out how much each dog should or does eat to the ounce. My
advice, switch to once a day feedings and feed whole quarters. If
they leave anything over, pick it up for the next day. If they start
getting fat/thin, add more food. It really can be as easy as that.

Also, work on finding other sources of food (and don't forget the
organs). You really want more variety than a diet of chicken a la
chicken. For now it is fine, but make sure you are looking for other
sources!

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Marion" <mbldesigns@...> wrote:
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> Thank you for your advice. We are feeding leg quarters, but we're
> separating thighs and legs and backs so we can weigh it properly.
> Bernie gets 7 ounces per meal and Connie gets 8 ounces per meal.
> That equals about a thigh or a leg, but not both. We're trying to
> keep on a budget, so we're weighing everything and everyone gets
> their appropriate food weighed out to the ounce.

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12. more victories for Raw
Posted by: "cinjoel" cinjoel@yahoo.com cinjoel
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:19 am ((PDT))

Well, I'm happy to report I've turned 3 more families over to raw!
I'm so excited...that makes 6 healthier dogs :) Ok I'm done bragging.

Now I need to ask some questions...I have a great dane but my newest
recruits have shih tzu pups. What do you recommend they introduce
1st, 2nd, sand so on? So far the mom and her 3 babies have been
eating Oma's beef 'mush' (ground beef & organs) and chicken breast,
beef cubes and some cooked chicken or whatever human mommy and daddy
are having for dinner.

I know they need to start adding some bone...what do you think about
chicken necks? any suggestions? The pups are 8 weeks old now.

Thanks
Cindy

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13a. question and funny story
Posted by: "moniquemcelwee" moniquemcelwee@hotmail.com moniquemcelwee
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:20 am ((PDT))

Hi All-

I have been feeding my new Belgian Sheepdog puppy raw for two
weeks. He is 11 weeks old today. My question is this--any ideas of
why his urine would be burning the yard? Our mini shnauzer's
doesn't, and she's fed the same way. So far, I've been feeding him
chicken parts, organs etc.

Also, a funny story which may be off topic, but is raw feeding
related. Yesterday, I thought I'd let my new pup try fish for the
first time. I had a whole tilapia, minus the organs but with the
head. Since it was a bit big, I cut off the head and put it in his
bowl. He cocked his head (which is very cute right now as he only
has one ear up) and studied it for a awhile, then let out one little
bark. I think he thought it would play with him! I had to get our
shnauzer to show him what to do with it!

Thanks!

Monique

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13b. Re: question and funny story
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:33 am ((PDT))

I think the tendency to burn grass has more to do with individual dogs than it does with diet or gender (although in some cases I'm sure it could be affected by either of those two things). I always thought female dogs had a tendency to burn grass, but my female Lab doesn't burn it and our male shepherd has what we've coined "nuclear pee"....that's how fast and horribly it burns the grass!

I haven't done any research on it, but that's my take on it.

Sonja

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14a. first time to Asian market now with questions
Posted by: "Joanne Bartling" hjbartling@comcast.net hjbartling
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:27 am ((PDT))

Today was my first visit to an Asian market. Now I see where you guys all
get the variety. :-) Saw many different things, but unsure what would be
good purchases. Let's see....there were the normal type of meet that I know
is good but how about...beef tendons, pork snouts, pig ears, pig stomach,
oxtail (not cut but looked more like a large bone) goat (one looked like a
leg and some other skin and meat?)

Joanne

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14b. Re: first time to Asian market now with questions
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:52 am ((PDT))

Hi, Joanne, it's fun to find new things, hun?

> beef tendons, pork snouts, pig ears

These are great chewies, but not much in the way of a meal. My boys
love raw pig ears.

> pig stomach

This has been sanitized for human consumption. Not much use for raw
feeding.

> oxtail (not cut but looked more like a large bone)

Good workout item, and with added meatymeat would probably make a
good meal.

> goat (one looked like a leg and some other skin and meat?)

Yes, and yes. Goat is a favorite around here! This is a good find
if it isn't expensive!

Andrea

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15a. Re: Cheap meat sources, and an egg question
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

This would be my suggestion too. I just got 2 turkeys, some roasts,
some ground beef. For my smaller dog, enough for a couple months with
the turkeys. Good luck, I hope it works out for you.
Michele

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Hllywoodcaper7@... wrote:

> Do you have a local freecycle group? >
> Freecycle (yahoo group) in your area may have people who would give
you old
> and freezer burned meat too. HTH! Tamatha ;)
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