Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 11792

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Allergy
From: costrowski75
1b. Re: Allergy
From: Sonja

2a. Re: Newbie Wanting To Take the Jump
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: What is "Trim"
From: costrowski75

4a. ADMI:N/Re: What's wrong with cooked?
From: costrowski75

5.1. Re: allergies
From: carnesbill

6a. Re: Keeping it all clean
From: Marjorie Trebino
6b. Re: Keeping it all clean
From: carlarae3
6c. Re: Keeping it all clean
From: Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com
6d. Re: Keeping it all clean
From: Marion
6e. Re: Keeping it all clean
From: Nathalie Poulin
6f. Re: Keeping it all clean
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: New member with a 4 month old bullmastiff from Russia
From: borodeauxs
7b. Re: New member with a 4 month old bullmastiff from Russia
From: borodeauxs

8. Grass Fed Beef Input
From: Christy B

9a. Re: Fly Issues
From: rosey031801
9b. Re: Fly Issues
From: Andrea
9c. Re: Fly Issues
From: mz_boomer2
9d. Fly Issues
From: nickandnoel@aol.com

10. squid report
From: temy1102

11. too much food?
From: frustrated_tracey

12a. Re: Black Lab in serious need of help
From: Nathalie Poulin
12b. Re: Black Lab in serious need of help
From: costrowski75

13a. Re: Can't get a solid poop! (was New puppy won't eat)
From: nickandnoel@aol.com
13b. Re: Can't get a solid poop! (was New puppy won't eat)
From: brutus_buckley

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1a. Re: Allergy
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:23 am ((PDT))

"tinne" <marc.gemis@...> wrote:
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> I rather want to stop giving the yoghurt with Viyo and see what
happens from there.
>
> Does anyone has good advise ?
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My advice is to stop the yogurt and avoid feeding anything that is
not species appropriate. Which means cooked rice isn't it either.
If the Argentine horse meat is untainted and is fit for human
consumption, there's nothing wrong with feeding it. For edible bone,
you can also feed chicken backs or even pork necks.

If your dog has a skin infection it is more likely to be a problem of
a compromised immune system. Allergies are also the result of a
broken immune system. And food allergies are just not that common.
I recommend you feed the healthiest--and most appropriate--raw diet
you can and examine your dog's environment to see where you can make
amends. From household cleansers to yard management to vaccines and
parasite control and lifestyle stress, combined compromises can
assail even the strongest immune system; the weaker systems are the
ones that succumb. A good diet, a safe environment and appropriate
health care can rebuild a damaged immune system.

For now sponging the affected areas with lavender water may be
soothing.

Let us know how it goes.
Chris O

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1b. Re: Allergy
Posted by: "Sonja" ladyver@sbcglobal.net lonepalm77
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:47 am ((PDT))

I don't think 2 weeks is too short to see an allergy! I start reacting to cats 2 minutes after I walk into a house with one, and my dog gets a nasty ear infection 1 day after eating something she's allergic to.

Sonja

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From: tinne
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:55 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Allergy

Yesterday I went to a dermatologist with my 11 month old whippet because he has acne on
some spots (not itchy) and 1 itchy ear. The vet said it is a bacterial infection and wants to
exclude a food allergy. Since I feed raw see advised me to give him horse meat and white
rice for 6 weeks. (that's the only meat he hasn't been fed yet)
I don't feel well with it because first of all, horse meat is difficult to find and expensive. But
also because I can't give any bone parts. All the meat comes from abroad (I think Argentina)
cut in pieces and boneless.

The allergy started *I think* when I started to give him yoghurt with Viyo (a new drink for
dogs on the market) some 2 weeks ago. I told it to the vet, but she said that 2 week period is
too short to see an allergy.

I rather want to stop giving the yoghurt with Viyo and see what happens from there.

Does anyone has good advise ?

Thanks,
Tinne

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2a. Re: Newbie Wanting To Take the Jump
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:47 am ((PDT))

Cherie Ferebee <oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:
I have
> been researching different diets, and while I have been feeding
the same kibble (an all natural, high quality kibble) I have been
doing a lot of thinking on switching to raw. I have many questions,
and I am sorry in advance if they are topics that have already been
covered.
>
*****
Most all new subscribers have questions that have been asked before.
I recommend you browse the list archives; you will find most of your
answers there as well as answers you didn't yet know to ask. Also
check out:
http://rawfed.com
http://rawfeddogs.net
http://www.rawmeatybones.conm

Here's how to join Yahoogroups so you can access the Rawfeeding
message archives:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/join

There is no such thing as natural high quality kibble. Your Labs--
brilliant rawfeeders, the breed is--deserve a species appropriate
diet. A variety of organs, some meaty bones, plenty of meat: that's
the ticket. No grains, no vegetables, no grinding, pulping,
processing or cooking.

Welcome.
Chris O
(working retrievers since before the turn of century)

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3a. Re: What is "Trim"
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:16 am ((PDT))

"Jen" <jboydmorin@...> wrote:
>> How else do people end up with trim (aside from what you trim off
your
> own meat at home)? Is this something people have had success
getting
> from local butchers?
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Local butchers who have been educated! Unfortunately, these days
most get their meat already trimmed and "case ready" from
wholesalers. So there's little for them to trim; often grinding
down "old" meat is as trimmy as a butcher.

If you can find a meat cutter (one step closer than a butcher to
whole criter) who is amenable, you might be able to swing a deal for
trim; but it depends on what exactly he is cutting. Processing a
minimally dressed carcass will generate more "junk meat"; cutting a
fully-dressed carcass will generate less.

In my limited experience, I've found the butcher who takes in field-
dressed livestock and cuts it to client specifications will produce
the most trim. You might also try a commercial processing plant if
you can find one.

As a follow-up on my earlier question about my
> dog's coats, I was thinking this might be a nice (free?) option to
get
> some extra fat into their diet.
*****
Finding free fat trim should be pretty easy. One steer generates a
huge amount of fat trim. I've come away with as much fat trim as I
could carry, gratis.
Chris O

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4a. ADMI:N/Re: What's wrong with cooked?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:20 am ((PDT))

Again, this thread is finished. As unraveled as it is going to get,
here on Rawfeeding. Please take it elsewhere.
Chris O
Mod Team

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5.1. Re: allergies
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:31 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Joanne Bartling"
<hjbartling@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone know if there are separate allergy symptoms when it's
> environmental vs. food?
>
> Joanne
>

Joanne,
I don't think food allergies cause sneezing. If he has a food
allergy, you will not be able to determine it as long as you feed
premix. I just made a post in another thread about an elimination
diet that can be tried to determined if your dog has a food allergy
and what the allergen is if he does. It will not work with premix
in the diet.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6a. Re: Keeping it all clean
Posted by: "Marjorie Trebino" mtrebino39@hotmail.com marjoriettt
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:36 am ((PDT))

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Hi Marion
Boy I thought I had a handful with 4 dogs. Someone on this list suggested
vinyl tablecloths. You can buy them at walmart for 3 or 4 bucks each. I
picked some up and it has made a huge difference I have enough for two days.
After the meal I pick them up throw them in the washing machine and they
are ready to go for the next feeding. The cloth on the back helps to keep
them on my rugs and when I put them down on my linolemum floor I put a throw
rug under them so they don't slide so much. I am knew to this raw feeding
myself but I can see such a benefit like you that it is worth the trouble.
Margie

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6b. Re: Keeping it all clean
Posted by: "carlarae3" carladc2b@charter.net carlarae3
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:36 am ((PDT))

Hi Marion,
I feed 6 indoor dogs raw as well. I lay down an old bed sheet for my
dogs to eat on. I've read others use a vinyl tablecloth. Since your
dogs don't move more than a foot away, I think this technique would
work. I have fed my dogs on old kitchen towels as well, but the sheet
works best.

As far as the cutting board, I would only use a glass cutting board
for their food. I typically use scissors to cut meat.
HTH, Carla

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6c. Re: Keeping it all clean
Posted by: "Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com" Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com irishcateyes1
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:44 am ((PDT))

hmm. . .I am interested as well.

We are getting a puppy and he will be an indoor dog too. I have a slightly
raised wrought iron feeding rack that houses two stainless steel bowls.
Outdoor feeding would do best but in inclement weather it would be a pain, esp with
him coming back into the house all wet. Also, I have thought of the grass
instead of the deck, but sometimes we have it treated by the lawn care company so
that probably isn't the best idea either. So I am leaning to indoors but
below is my delimma too.

I was also wondering about cleanliness in the RAW feedings, esp since we also
have a 5 yr old child.

Our floors are wood though so I am limited to vinegar and water or our
Shaklee products.

I am thinking he may not like the bowl idea at all--I wonder if they make a
stainless steel feeding tray. That would be cool! LOL!

Anyway, I am interested in any responses on maintaining a healthy clean home
for indoor feedings.

Thanks!

Tamatha

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6d. Re: Keeping it all clean
Posted by: "Marion" mbldesigns@yahoo.com mbldesigns
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:08 am ((PDT))

Wow, thank you for all your help. Sheets I think would allow the
chicken juices to go through and contaminate the floor. Vinyl
tablecloths in the washer? I hadn't even though of that. I think that
might actually work as one of my dogs picks up a piece of chicken and
then searches for a place to lay down and eat it. I have throw blankets
down that I have had to pick up so I don't have to wash them all the
time. Maybe I do need to do a load a day, though I hope not 2. The
tablecloths should be alright sitting for 12 hours or so till the next
feeding, right? like if I wanted to hold the evening cloths till
morning to add to the morning ones?

Glass cutting board? OK, that sounds like it might come cleaner. We
have one that covers the counter, but it sure is loud when we cut on it.

Scissors to cut chicken? Which type? I've tried several and they just
don't get through the chicken without breaking.

Thanks again
Marion

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6e. Re: Keeping it all clean
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:59 am ((PDT))

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Sometimes I use Windex, or vinegar and water.
Sometimes I just use dish soap and water.
I use a seperate cloth for washing up after the dog
than I use for the dishes.

It depends, but so far I've never had any problems.

Do you need to cut up the chickens?

Nathalie

--- Marion LoPrinzi <mbldesigns@yahoo.com> wrote:

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> I need help in how to keep everything clean. We
> have linoleum floors and I was mopping with vinegar
> and water, but wasn't sure if that was good enough
> so I have switched over to bleach and water. The
> bleach is quite harsh on me, I get migraines real
> easily. Is the vinegar water enough? Or not really?
> What do you use? I tried Lysol kitchen spray but
> that won't work with my head, yuck. I can't feed
> the dogs outside, that won't work, they have their
> self designated eating spots and don't want to move
> even a foot away.
>
> We don't have a
> dishwasher, other than my 2 hands. I use Ajax
> antibacterial soap and a copper scouring pad to get
> the crud off, then wash with the dishcloth. I use
> this same dishcloth for our dishes. Is that a nono?
>
> OK, you're probably wondering why would I be so
> concerned. Well my husband is just getting better
> from 4 days home extremely sick in bed with food
> poisoning. He and I ate all the same things, but he
> cuts up the chicken because he has the strength to
> get through the bones (we have 2 dogs who swallow
> whole pieces, yikes). We wash our hands well, but
> something obviously didn't get washed properly, or
> maybe something got splashed. So I need help and
> recommendations.
>
> Thank you in advance for everything,
> Marion
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6f. Re: Keeping it all clean
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:37 pm ((PDT))

"Marion" <mbldesigns@...> wrote:
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> Wow, thank you for all your help. Sheets I think would allow the
> chicken juices to go through and contaminate the floor.
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Yes, sheets provide little in the way of germ barrier. However, just
what do you think raw meat offers by way of contamination that the
bottom of your shoes do not? I think you are thinking this way too
far into the weeds.

A vinyl tablecloth simply spritzed, wiped down and air dried will do
quite well, especially if you put the tablecloth away after each
meal.

Your dogs' raw food will not invite the four horsemen of the
Apocalypse into your house! At least no more than your dogs' kibble
did. However you interacted with your kibblefed dogs, you may
comfortably and safely interact with your rawfed dogs. Your dogs
will still lick their privates and each others. They will still want
to smell everything, and lick or roll in most things. If you mopped
faces after meals, continue to. If you did not, don't worry now.

Common sense tells us to collect and properly dispose of stools, to
make sure children don't go all scientific and investigative with
them, to make sure house accidents are cleaned up.

Kibble is no more sanitary than raw meat is. In terms of dog mouth
sanitation, raw meat is better.

one of my dogs picks up a piece of chicken and
> then searches for a place to lay down and eat it.
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This is easily remedied with training. Every time the dog gets up,
you guide it back to its designated spot. No spot, no food.

The
> tablecloths should be alright sitting for 12 hours or so till the
next
> feeding, right? like if I wanted to hold the evening cloths till
> morning to add to the morning ones?
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They'll be all right for a week! I do wash once a week. However
many dog towels accumulate over seven days is how many I wash come
Tuesday morning. If I had a washer and dryer I would still only wash
dog stuff once a week. You are crediting bacteria with way too much
mobility.

> Glass cutting board? OK, that sounds like it might come cleaner. We
> have one that covers the counter, but it sure is loud when we cut
on it.
*****
Wood is fine. What you do cut your own meat on? Why would raw meat
for your dogs be any different?

> Scissors to cut chicken? Which type? I've tried several and they
just
> don't get through the chicken without breaking.
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I use EMT shears for everything including turkey backbones. They are
built to cut through clothing and bandages and shoes and whatever
else EMTs need to cut quick. They're cheap and sturdy. They're just
not very elegant. Chickens are literally a snap. For turkey
breastbones I use garden snips (the kind that cut branches); I use a
good knife to slice skin.
Chris O

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7a. Re: New member with a 4 month old bullmastiff from Russia
Posted by: "borodeauxs" Borodeauxs@googlemail.com borodeauxs
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:44 am ((PDT))

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--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "grajnai" <grajnai@...> wrote:

Even if we live in the forest, he moves probably more than a dog
who
> is living in apartment but I would like to walk with him an hour a
> day. But this legs.. can I walk with him? Is it not going to be so
> hard on him? He needs to build muscles, but can I ruin his legs
with
> walking? Yesterday we walked first time about half an hour. He
> enjoyed, he was tired but I think his back legs got even lower

yes too much excerise will do more damage then good,..You can not
walk your pup for 1 hour per day,(I understand that the leg needs to
build muscle,but not this way,..swimming your pup for 5 minutes
equals a 5 mile walk and builds very strong muscle and no damaging
effect on this leg as it gets strong,..if you live in the woods then
the puppy playing and running around is more than enough for
him/her,..if you think his back legs are getting lower it is even
more so important to swim him,as this will tighten the tendons
also,..sounds like stretching tendons (like when pasterns are low =
lose tendons)..Stephen.
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7b. Re: New member with a 4 month old bullmastiff from Russia
Posted by: "borodeauxs" Borodeauxs@googlemail.com borodeauxs
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

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> Hi Gabriella,..firstly welcome to the group sure you will pick up
lots of great information,..so you have bull-mastiff's ,(nice dog's)
I would class these as a giant breed,..very similar in size to the
dogue de bordeaux(french-mastiff) we happen to own and love
dearly,..our lastest addition is 5 months old and she loves raw
food,..our breed also suffer with hip/joint problems(and see raw as
a way to help them grow more slowly reducing any risks,(k*****)
promote un-even growth and is a factor in long-legged dogs,(steriods
in effected farm meat which is the main meat source in k*****
>
> The second and third week I followed what my vet recommended ( he
is
> supporting partially the Raw feeding Ã¢â‚¬" saying no beef bones,
only
> maybe ribs, chicken bones except the weight bearing drumstick )
1/3
> of beef meat, 1/3 of beef heart, 1/3 of pig ears. Also he
suggested
> to ad triple and liver (1/5 part of all day food of each)
>
I AGREE NO WEIGH BEARING BEEF BONES,(CHICKEN BONES WILL BE FINE AS
THE TEETH ARE MORE DENCER THEN DRUMSTICK BONES,HEART IS CLASSED AS A
MUSCLE MEAT AND NOT ORGAN,TRIPE CAN BE GIVEN EVERYDAY ALTHOUGH WOULD
BE CAREFULL HOW MUCH LIVER YOU GIVE YOUR DOGS
>
> Right now he gets 0,66 lb (300gr) beef meat, the same amount beef
> heart and pig ears. This is not the usual 80% meat, 10% organs,
10%
> bones ratio. This pig ears, probably does not count as meat part..?
>
> Im going to start chicken back and quarters soon. Can I give him
> chicken wings? They are so tiny compare with the mouth of my
puppy,
> He would swallow them in one gulp Ã¯ï¿½Å ) Should I give him one
week
> chicken, then this meat-heart-ear- triple-liver mix? Then
introduce
> pork, lamb?

WOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT WEIGHING ALL THE FOOD JUST STICK TO 80% MEAT
10% BONE 10% ORGAN , AND THE WAY WE DO THIS IS = WE FEED OUR DOGS
TWICE PER DAY, 10 MEALS IN 5 DAYS (2 OF WHICH WILL BE BONE/ORGAN)
FULL CHICHEN'S CHOPPED IN HALF WILL BE BETTER THAN WINGS BUT SAYING
THAT WE HAVE JUST BOUGHT LOTS OF WINGS AS TREATS AS THEY WERE IN A
BIG SALE,IF YOU FEEL HE WILL GULP,THEN ADD WITH BIGGER PIECES OF
CHICKEN GETTING HIM USE TO THE TASTE AND KNOWING TO CHEW, LAMB
SHOULDERS ARE QUITE CHEAP AND A GOOD MEAL FOR A BONEY DAY(AS PLENTY
OF MEAT)

The dog is active, happy, good poop. But his fur is coming out. I
> donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t know, its normal? Maybe all those supplements? I read
> somewhere puppies cant handle extra calcium.. (or the calcium
> nothing to do with the fur probably?) Sometimes I have a feeling,
if
> its continues, he will be bold. It started on his tail, When I
> stroke the dogÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s back, at the end some fur is collecting
and coming
> out. Should I brush the dog? The breeder told me to give him olive
> oil. But it seems to me this is not the solution.
>
I HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THIS AS OUR BREED ALSO HAVE
PROBLEMS WITH HAIR LOSS,..PLEASE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME AND WILL TELL
YOU WHAT I KNOW ON THIS SUBJECT ,DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE ON HERE TO
PUT IT IN A POST,..THIS IS DOWN TO THE IMMUNE SYSTEM.
WELL HOPE SOME OF THIS HAS HELPED AND LIKE I SAID FEEL FEEE TO
CONTACT US AND WILL HELP THE BEST WE CAN,
STEPHEN www.borodeauxs.com

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8. Grass Fed Beef Input
Posted by: "Christy B" christyb@cox.net christyb14
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:47 am ((PDT))

Hi All,

I recently ordered grass fed (not grain finished!) beef for human
consumption from the following company located in Montana:

http://www.lacensebeef.com/

They are currently selling "beef burger" and "beef bones" for dogs.
In speaking with them I shared with them that the bones weren't
really advisable for dogs and asked about organs and other goodies
for dogs. The person that I spoke with, Josh, was very intrigued and
we have been corresponding about the possibility about their company
offering organs and other "goodies" that rawfeeders would love!

Since this would be a new venture for them they need input from
actual rawfeeders. Here's your opportunity to help a company create
items that you want!

1) What items would you like to see offered?
2) What sizes (pounds) would you like offered?
3) What prices are reasonable to you for pesticide free grass fed, no
added hormone, grazing beef?
4) Any input you have!

All replies need to be private (off list) as this could go off topic
really fast! Please respond to either me directly (and I will
forward to Josh) or joshb@lacensebeef.com (so we don't clutter up the
list!) with your suggestions, comments, wishes, etc...

The human beef is delicious and the shipping seems to be $15 for each
fairly large box.

Thanks,
Christy
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SharingIsGivingOrangeCounty_CA/

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9a. Re: Fly Issues
Posted by: "rosey031801" rosey031801@sbcglobal.net rosey031801
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:48 am ((PDT))

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I would like some info on this too. It seems like there are more this
yaer, and it is right where he eats his food. What do we do? Can that
area be sprayed when he's not outside?

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9b. Re: Fly Issues
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:50 am ((PDT))

You might try to feed him inside, on a towel, or feed at night when
they aren't out in force. Also, check out www.fliesbegone.com

this is
the best fly trap I've ever used!

Andrea

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wrote:
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> We have only been feeding raw for 2 days and there is a new swarm of
> black flies. Brinks sometimes leaves pieces in the yard and there are
> flies EVERYWHERE. When I tried to feed him breakfast..they swarmed
his
> food and were on him. It's so gross. Have any of you dealt wth this
and
> how do I solve this problem?
>
> Thanks
> Jessica
>

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9c. Re: Fly Issues
Posted by: "mz_boomer2" mz_boomer2@yahoo.com mz_boomer2
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:00 am ((PDT))

You could try getting one of those small screen canopies, if you are
not apt to wanting to feeding indoors. I have been looking into them
myself for the same reasons. I have seen them around for as little as
$20. My girl gets soooo mad at those pesky flies that she actually
charges after them while growling and snapping them up. Forgetting
about her meal to the other flies and my other lab. Quite hysterial to
watch.

In the meantime, I have altered their feeding schedules to the very
early morning cool hours and even cooler late nights. When flies are
the least active and the heat of the day is gone and my dogs appetites
return in force.

We are new too (about 2 months now), but keep reading on !! This is the
best supportive and most knowledgeable group I have ever had the
pleasure and honor to learn from.

Good Luck

Pam & her monkies (Christine & Halo)

=o)

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9d. Fly Issues
Posted by: "nickandnoel@aol.com" nickandnoel@aol.com lils_danes
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:07 am ((PDT))

We feed inside and at 10 pm everynight to reduce the fly issues. No real
fixing it, but you really should be picking up the food after he is done. You
may need to reduce his meal if he isn't eating everything. We weigh
everything the danes get, if they don't finish the meal the night before we weigh
that and then reduce the next evenings portion..if they want more then we add
an appropriate amount after they have finished eating. Recently we were
feeding 4 lbs to each dane and they ate that ok for about a week and now they are
back down to 3 to 3.5lbs per day.

I hung up flytraps outside too...

Lillian

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10. squid report
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:00 am ((PDT))

i think my post got lost. okay here i go again:

the squid was successful in a sense. the preparation was easy, i
bought them uncleaned, and then snipped out the beaks with a pair of
kitchen shears. they were quite sharp and hard, so thank you to
whoever it was who advised me about that. handling the squid is weird
because the tentacles still have suction power and it feels... strange.

grover sniffed, licked, and poked the squid for a long time before i
got impatient and cut off some tentacles for her. she chewed them and
spit them out. i let the foster puppies loose on it, and they gobbled
up all the tentacles and then gnawed on the head for a while.
everyone licked at the slit i had made to expose the organs, but
nobody really tore into it. by the way, the guts look like orange
oatmeal.

nika eventually ran off into the backyard with it and worried it for a
while until she got bored. then me and grover played a rousing game
of "squid fetch," in my attempt to get her to enjoy destroying it.
didn't work.

i left it out there for while until it got so stinky and dirty that i
tossed it, but i think next time, when the head and tentacles are
gone, i'm going to cut the body into strips, like the tentacles were.
it definitely appealed more to the puppies than to grover, i think
because of it's rubbery, chewy texture. i will definitely offer it to
them again. it makes for a great long-lasting meal that they really
have to work on.

tammy & grover & puppies

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11. too much food?
Posted by: "frustrated_tracey" wagc@sasktel.net frustrated_tracey
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:03 am ((PDT))

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Hi again,

Just a quick question, My standard poodle pups are getting big, Ruger
has the longer legs and Gauge looks like he is getting more wide. I
have been mostly feeding them

Morning each
Chicken leg with thigh attached (approx 1 to 1.5 lbs)
Wild fish oil cap.

Supper each

Chicken leg with thigh attached (approx 1 to 1.5 lbs)

(yesterday we travelled so they got 1/2 of a small chicken each after
the trip so they wouldnt get car sick)

Dehydrated liver for training rewards

They finish what I give them, in ones opinion would that amount be
too much and cause weigh gain or is it just the breed of dog and they
are growing at a normal rate. I can still feel their ribs and it
doesnt feel like they have a over abundance of fat.

Should I cut them down to a thigh or leg twice daily.? This morning I
gave them each a frozen whole mackeral (about 5 inches long.

Then again maybe its because I have to carry them down the stairs in
the morning to go pee and their getting heavy.

What think you?

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12a. Re: Black Lab in serious need of help
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:06 am ((PDT))

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Get your friend on this list ASAP so they can get that
dog on RAW!!!
I really like Chris O's analogy; imagine if all we ate
were big macs every day, for every meal, and once in a
while threw in a salad.
Imagine what that would do to our bodies..Kibble (or
wet food) is the WORST thing for a dog.
That dog NEEDS the benefits of a raw diet, NOW.

Nathalie

--- Gavin Gunn <meganhayleyfinn@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Dear All
>
> I have a friend who has a 3 year old black lab
> called Clyde. His vet
> has diognosed his condition as being allergic to
> house dust mites.

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12b. Re: Black Lab in serious need of help
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:04 pm ((PDT))

Nathalie Poulin <poulin_nathalie@...> wrote:
> I really like Chris O's analogy; imagine if all we ate
> were big macs every day, for every meal, and once in a
> while threw in a salad.
> Imagine what that would do to our bodies..
*****
It's a great analogy but it's not mine. In fact, I spent several
college semesters practically living on Whoppers, so who am I to make
such a comment?

Course, back then Whoppers were made of real food and anyway we had to
walk seven miles through snow drifts to get to classes every day even
in the summer. Things are different now.
Chris O

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13a. Re: Can't get a solid poop! (was New puppy won't eat)
Posted by: "nickandnoel@aol.com" nickandnoel@aol.com lils_danes
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:08 am ((PDT))

Leanne,

give him more time. I think it was two weeks after we started feeding raw
that the poop issues cleared up. its his system clearing out the crap
combined with the change in diet. His body is stressed from moving to a new home,
eating new food, being introduced to new rules and this is partially how they
respond. I recommend taking him out regularly, giving lots of water
(pedialyte if he seems dehydrated) and continue feeding raw, it should start clearing
up. Make sure the chicken isn't "enhanced" that too can be very hard on
their system and some dogs will always have diarrhea while eating enhanced
chicken.

Lillian

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13b. Re: Can't get a solid poop! (was New puppy won't eat)
Posted by: "brutus_buckley" brutus_buckley@yahoo.com brutus_buckley
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:49 am ((PDT))

Hi Leanne,
When I got my pup she was 10 weeks old and I started her on leg
quarters. She did OK for a few days and then started getting very loose
stools which progressed to diarrah and vomiting. I switched her to
rabbit, which worked great.

Now that she is 18 weeks, I decided to give chicken a second try. She
is doing great with it. This time, I am feeding her breasts with the
ribs attached, and it's 100% natural. I think the quarters I was
feeding were enhanced. You might want to try alternating the leg
quarters with some breasts. The bone in them is a little easier to
digest than those leg bones.

-Renee W.

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