[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11782

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Raw and vacations
From: Giselle
1b. Re: Raw and vacations
From: Laurie Swanson
1c. Re: Raw and vacations
From: carnesbill
1d. Re: Raw and vacations
From: trayc2244

2a. Re: labwork
From: Andrea

3a. Are Sea Shells like Abalone Shells Edible?
From: Anntiga@aol.com
3b. Re: Are Sea Shells like Abalone Shells Edible?
From: costrowski75
3c. Re: Are Sea Shells like Abalone Shells Edible?
From: Anntiga@aol.com

4a. Pooping bone - Guidance please
From: Caren OConnor

5a. Re: Fermented stomach grass
From: carnesbill
5b. Re: Fermented stomach grass
From: ginny wilken
5c. Re: Fermented stomach grass
From: Casey Post

6a. Re: Cushings Disease
From: Morledzep@aol.com

7a. Re: Hi guys! Some ?s about GSDs, puppies, and RAW diet :)
From: Linda

8a. Re: Squid?
From: Yasuko herron
8b. Re: Squid?
From: temy1102
8c. Re: Squid?
From: Maggie Smith

9. frozen burning more calories
From: imaginationdead

10a. picky eater
From: Becky Brooks (Marsh)
10b. Re: picky eater
From: Doguefan@aol.com
10c. Re: picky eater
From: Becky Brooks (Marsh)

11a. Re: Tooth extraction question
From: Krissy

12. Feeding raw bravo food, how much to feed exactly?
From: shefy7

13a. Re: GSD diarrhea
From: leslie

14. first meal
From: Alan & Andrea Southern

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1a. Re: Raw and vacations
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 2:13 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Tracy!
A gorge meal is where the dog eats as much as it wants. Thats why
there's no need to feed the next day, and why you can offer a snack
meal and lighter meal the next few days. Dogs can eat several days
worth of food in one huge meal. It depends on the individual dog, some
will only eat a couple days worth, then stop. Others eat until they
can barely walk!
: )

Wolves eat this way after a large kill in the wild, since they eat
when they can, and go without when they can't. Since dogs are closely
related, this is a viable way to feed our 'house' wolves.

There are advantages; the travel thing, some dogs learn that sometimes
their stomachs will be really full and they learn to relax more about
food, no need for strict mealtimes and a lot of dogs learn to self
regulate. It can be a way to feed Big Food without having to take it
up multiple times.

It is something you need to allow your dog to adjust to, if you are
interested in feeding this way.
TC
Giselle

> Thanks Giselle,
> I have to ask, what is a gorge meal? I don't know that I have heard of
> that.
> Also, Do you usually take raw food with you or buy it once you are
> where you are going.
>
> Tracy
>
>
>
> > If you haven't fed Big Food or gorge/fast before, you have the month
> > to introduce it.
> > TC
> > Giselle
>

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1b. Re: Raw and vacations
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 2:40 pm ((PDT))

As another option in addition to gorging, just bring a cooler and some
meals! You could bring most of it frozen and thaw it as needed. Don't
worry about feeding during the drive. Just feed when you get there.
If you need to stop at the store for more, that should be easy, too.

Bring some towels or something for the dog to eat on.

How do you normally feed? Do you have any particular concerns?

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "trayc2244" <BreeZ119@...> wrote:
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> Hello,
> We are going on vacation in a month and we are taking Mac with us. We
> will be gone for 4-5 days and it's an eight hour drive one way. What
> is the best way to feed raw "on the go"? I

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1c. Re: Raw and vacations
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 2:52 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "trayc2244" <BreeZ119@...> wrote:
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> Thanks Giselle,
> I have to ask, what is a gorge meal? I don't know that I have
> heard of that.
> Also, Do you usually take raw food with you or buy it once you are
> where you are going.

I wouldn't feed a gorge meal just before a long car trip. In my
mind, thats asking for car sickness problems. I would feed a
lighter than normal meal the morning before leaving and feed a
normal meal in the evening after arriving.

Take a cooler with iced down food in 1 meal packages. If you can't
carry 4 or 5 days worth, there will probably be grocery stores where
you are going. You can buy chicken quarters anywhere in the country.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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1d. Re: Raw and vacations
Posted by: "trayc2244" BreeZ119@catt.com trayc2244
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT))

Thanks again to everybody.
I normally feed him 2-3 meals a day. I don't have any particular
concerns. I just wanted to hear from some people that might have some
ideas to make the trip easier in regards to raw feeding. The advice
was very helpful. Thank you.

Tracy

> How do you normally feed? Do you have any particular concerns?
>
> Laurie

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2a. Re: labwork
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 2:39 pm ((PDT))

I don't have any answers for how high is too high, but I've always read
that the "normal" levels that are given are fasting levels. In all the
stuff I've looked at, "normal" BUN levels for canines are around 24-27
and those specify that the dog should be fasted for 12 hours prior to
the test. Given those figures, 31 doesn't seem very high when the dog
hadn't been fasted. If you are still worried you can have another test
run and make sure he doesn't eat for 12 hours prior. Hope that helps a
little.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "m_towslee" <m_towslee@...> wrote:
> Back to the original post, I also have just had my vet tell me that
> my dog's BUN level is elevated, at 31.

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3a. Are Sea Shells like Abalone Shells Edible?
Posted by: "Anntiga@aol.com" Anntiga@aol.com anntiga
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 2:39 pm ((PDT))

Hi!

Are sea shells like abalone shells edible? If my dog finds an abalone shell
on the beach and starts to eat it is that okay?

Thanks,

Ann and Norman (Portuguese Water Dog)
San Francisco Peninsula, CA, USA

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3b. Re: Are Sea Shells like Abalone Shells Edible?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 3:15 pm ((PDT))

Anntiga@... wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Are sea shells like abalone shells edible? If my dog finds an
abalone shell
> on the beach and starts to eat it is that okay?
*****
Most of the abalone shells I've seen are about dinner plate size,
although I'm sure they have to start out smaller than that. At any
rate, they are pretty sturdy; I'd think they would be more than Norm
could eat or want to.

Starting to eat is one thing, being determined to finish is another.
Were I lucky enough to be on a beach with my dog today, I'd let the
dog investigate the shell but not consume it.
Chris O

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3c. Re: Are Sea Shells like Abalone Shells Edible?
Posted by: "Anntiga@aol.com" Anntiga@aol.com anntiga
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 3:33 pm ((PDT))

Thank you Chris!

Ann and Norman
Los Altos, CA, USA

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4a. Pooping bone - Guidance please
Posted by: "Caren OConnor" cavkist@yahoo.com cavkist
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 2:42 pm ((PDT))

Dear list members -
Has anyone experienced this problem? Upon my return home today from Northern Virginia, my pet sitter called me to say that one of my Cavalier boys had what she thought to be a bone or rock obstructing his rectum, and he couldn't poop. Since I was just a few hours away, I told her I would take care of it when I got home.
Sure enough, when I got home the bone was half-way out of his rectum, covered by yellow puss, and his bottom looked red and puckered, like a pair of lips - sorry if it's graphic. I just trimmed his nails yesterday so I KNOW this wasn't an issue with him until today. I have removed the bone, put hydrogen peroxide on his bottom, iced him down to reduce the swelling, and given him an antibiotic. It's barely bleeding, if I put pressure on it and the swelling IS going down.
Is there anything else I need to do to help him out with his sore bottom? Is there anything I can do to prevent this in the future? (it was a chicken bone from a chicken leg).
Thanks for your help:)
Caren O'Connor
Nansemond Cavaliers

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5a. Re: Fermented stomach grass
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 2:56 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "pitbullanholder"
<pitbullanholder@...> wrote:
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> I ordered some fermented beef stomach grass from prey4pets and
> I have
> tried it on the dogs.

No experience but if you stop and think about it. Its grass,
period. I don't see grass as something my dogs need nutritionally
whether its fermented or not. It's still grass.

IMO it a gimmick to sell something that is otherwise unsellable.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5b. Re: Fermented stomach grass
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 3:49 pm ((PDT))

On Jul 9, 2007, at 12:41 PM, pitbullanholder wrote:

> I ordered some fermented beef stomach grass from prey4pets and I have
> tried it on the dogs. Only a tablespoon to see how they reacted.
> Well that night the puppy (8 weeks old) who has been on raw now for 3
> weeks had a vomitting episode that lasted a few hours. Does anyone
> have any experience with fermented grass?
>
> Angela

This takes the cake for stupid ways to get people to part with their
money, in my book. Just let your dogs eat good food, and forget wild-
ass ideas like this. If you want them to get stomach stuff, it should
be tripe, which is meat with a small amount of digested material
stuck in the cracks. No way grass is food for dogs.

Sheesh!

ginny and Tomo

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5c. Re: Fermented stomach grass
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 4:07 pm ((PDT))

>I ordered some fermented beef stomach grass from prey4pets and I have
> tried it on the dogs. Only a tablespoon to see how they reacted.
> Well that night the puppy (8 weeks old) who has been on raw now for 3
> weeks had a vomitting episode that lasted a few hours. Does anyone
> have any experience with fermented grass?

Angela,

My crew wouldn't touch it, but a friend's Rotties absolutely love the
stuff...of course, they'll eat grass out of the lawnmower, too...

They never had any trouble with it, but it sounds like it may be something
to avoid in future for your little one...

Casey

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6a. Re: Cushings Disease
Posted by: "Morledzep@aol.com" Morledzep@aol.com morledzep
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 3:05 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 7/9/2007 8:53:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
firth_malcolm@yahoo.co.uk writes:

Does anybody
have any experience of whether or not a raw fed diet would help
alleviate this condition?

Mal,

Cushings disease is NOT curable.. it is treatable to extend the dogs' life,
sometimes they can live for many years longer if the disease is kept under
control with the meds. But, no matter what your friend does, their dog will die
from Cushings Disease.

That being said, feeding raw can help.. if nothing else the dog will enjoy
his meal times more for the short time it has left..

Catherine

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7a. Re: Hi guys! Some ?s about GSDs, puppies, and RAW diet :)
Posted by: "Linda" aumicapa@peoplepc.com micap12000
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 3:09 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sunshine S. Patron"
<sbr_minirex@...> wrote:

> big deal for her. She's now coming up on 2yrs old and has by far
been
> the best raised pup that I've had: Gleaming white teeth, no bad
> breath, no body odor, no fleas, no massive land mines, and best of
all
> - her shedding is only limited to the change of the seasons and only
> for about 2-3 weeks TOPS!!!
>

>
> Hope this helps,
> Sunshine & Canine Trio including GSD 'Ms. Kajsa Commotion'
>

> Thank you so much for the answer to the question I haven't asked
yet!
I have a 4 yr. old GSD and she leaves a hair carpet on my floor
daily. In the winter it's every other day. I started raw after
joining this group and my dog and cat have taken to it great. No
digestive problems any kind although the cat is kinda picky. Ginger
licks her feet and has dry skin and am hoping is is a food issue and
not environmental. Thank you so much for the info.

Linda

>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Hllywoodcaper7@ wrote:
> >Now we are starting on the right path from the beginning with our
new
> puppy;
> > also a GSD. So, since this is our first puppy on the RAW diet
and,
> of course,
> > we have only limited exposure of this diet from our prior
> experience, I am in
> > need of some help. :)
>

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8a. Re: Squid?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 3:10 pm ((PDT))

Hi. I have seen canned squid in ink. If you were me,do you get it and feed? I was not sure about ink is ok for dog to digest so,I did not get it.

Fresh Squid,I think I saw frozen in package.I do not know if it had cartilige or not.

yassy

PS:I have fed canned clam once and my dog loved it a lot!

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8b. Re: Squid?
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 3:41 pm ((PDT))

i imagine ink is okay for dogs to eat, since it's served in fancy
restaurants for people to eat.

tammy & grover

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8c. Re: Squid?
Posted by: "Maggie Smith" redkeds@comcast.net redkeds1
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 3:59 pm ((PDT))

So are onions and chocolate but I wouldn't feed either to my dogs...

Maggie
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "temy1102" <tammy.a.jp@...> wrote:
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> i imagine ink is okay for dogs to eat, since it's served in fancy
> restaurants for people to eat.
>
> tammy & grover
>

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9. frozen burning more calories
Posted by: "imaginationdead" deadoikos@gmail.com imaginationdead
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 3:11 pm ((PDT))

i've been searching the archives with no definitive answer for my
question:
feeding frozen meat takes more calories to process because it must
first be warmed by the body, is this extra use of calories significant?

thanks in advance,
scherzo

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10a. picky eater
Posted by: "Becky Brooks (Marsh)" kidcreations1@yahoo.com kidcreations1
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 3:33 pm ((PDT))

We are new to rawfeeding and have just given our 4 dogs their first
chicken leg quarters today. One ate it right away, one ate it after
about 1 hour of picking at it, burying it, and digging it up again,
and two of the dogs (each 10 months old) just licked theirs and didn't
know what to do. How do we encourage those two to eat? Any advice is
appreciated!
Becky

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10b. Re: picky eater
Posted by: "Doguefan@aol.com" Doguefan@aol.com knoxkennels
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 3:43 pm ((PDT))

Hi becky!? I am newer to raw feeding myself, but since I am a bit of a newbie also I thought I might tell you what worked for or "kids".? Mine do not prefer chicken quarters, but if I cut up a whole chicken(you usually find them really cheap, like 69 cents a pound!)they gobble it up.? I don't know if they are not into that much bone or what?? Also,if I buy the fresh quarters and not the bags of frozen ones, they will eat the fresh over the frozen any day! Odd, and high maintenance I know...

Try maybe with a smaller meaty bone like a chicken breast, there is more meat and that generally entices my guys to chow down on the whole thing.? Or, just wait tilll later, make some slices in it, so? it looks a little mangled and then give it to them.
Chelsea
www.bruinbordeaux.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Becky Brooks (Marsh) <kidcreations1@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 3:18 pm
Subject: [rawfeeding] picky eater

We are new to rawfeeding and have just given our 4 dogs their first
chicken leg quarters today. One ate it right away, one ate it after
about 1 hour of picking at it, burying it, and digging it up again,
and two of the dogs (each 10 months old) just licked theirs and didn't
know what to do. How do we encourage those two to eat? Any advice is
appreciated!
Becky

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10c. Re: picky eater
Posted by: "Becky Brooks (Marsh)" kidcreations1@yahoo.com kidcreations1
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 4:18 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Doguefan@... wrote:
>Hi Chelsea! Thanks for your advice - my husband is outside right now
with a knife trying to make the meat look more mangled! I will also
try a whole chicken next and see what happens.
Becky
>
> Hi becky!? I am newer to raw feeding myself, but since I am a bit of
a newbie also I thought I might tell you what worked for or "kids".?
Mine do not prefer chicken quarters, but if I cut up a whole
chicken(you usually find them really cheap, like 69 cents a
pound!)they gobble it up.? I don't know if they are not into that much
bone or what?? Also,if I buy the fresh quarters and not the bags of
frozen ones, they will eat the fresh over the frozen any day! Odd, and
high maintenance I know...
>
> Try maybe with a smaller meaty bone like a chicken breast, there is
more meat and that generally entices my guys to chow down on the whole
thing.? Or, just wait tilll later, make some slices in it, so? it
looks a little mangled and then give it to them.
> Chelsea
> www.bruinbordeaux.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Becky Brooks (Marsh) <kidcreations1@...>
> To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 3:18 pm
> Subject: [rawfeeding] picky eater
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> We are new to rawfeeding and have just given our 4 dogs their first
> chicken leg quarters today. One ate it right away, one ate it after
> about 1 hour of picking at it, burying it, and digging it up again,
> and two of the dogs (each 10 months old) just licked theirs and didn't
> know what to do. How do we encourage those two to eat? Any advice is
> appreciated!
> Becky
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11a. Re: Tooth extraction question
Posted by: "Krissy" krissy@mitre.org krissyar26
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 3:56 pm ((PDT))

>> My question is, are there any special considerations I should take
>> when feeding him while he heals? No bone/less bone? ....

Hi Kasandra,

Go mushy for at least one week. You're right, you want the gum to
heal and don't want to tear out the stitches (which means more $$ at
the vet, and worse - a lecture on the inappropriateness of raw
feeding...spare me).

If you have ground food that includes ground bone on hand, use that.
If not, improvise w/whatever you have access to - heart, a can of
mackerel, ground tripe, cutting the meat off bones like pork
shoulders, turkey, chicken, etc.

Going wo/bone for a week (if you go the "improvise" route) won't hurt
Sandy one bit. It's certainly not worth the $$ for a fancy ground
mix.

After one week, depending on how the gum looks and how you are w/hand
feeding, I add something small and boney that I can hold and feed
into the other side of the mouth - a chicken wing, drumstick, or
neck. Nothing I'd feed under normal circumstances but I can only
stand one week of mush and can't wait to get my dog chewing again.

By the end of two weeks he should be able to eat as before. I've
been through this w/a canine, a molar, and a premolar (different
dogs) and it worked well.

One problem I ran into during the first "mush" week was that the dogs
ended up w/indigestion because a mush meal is consumed in seconds.
If that happens you can split it up into smaller meals, or put a soup
can in the middle of the dog dish so that the food is in a doughnut
around the can. That'll slow down consumption.

Good luck, watch the gum, don't jump the gun getting back to bones,
and Shady will be back to eating normally in no time!

Krissy

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12. Feeding raw bravo food, how much to feed exactly?
Posted by: "shefy7" shefy7@yahoo.com shefy7
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 4:00 pm ((PDT))

Hi Everyone!

Snowy is doing wonderful, I've got a hold of his hotspots and am
feeding a variety of meats with rotation. In the morning I give him
meat with bone and in the evening just meat. He gets buffalo,
chicken, turkey, elk, ostrich, beef, venison, lamb breast,
tilapia... I usually get bravo meats, but sometimes I get them at
the store as well...

He poops pretty regular, usually twice a day, sometimes once. Snowy
is a mini american eskimo, 1 year and 3 months old. He's neutered,
full of energy. He wakes at 7am and goes to bed by 11pm with several
naps in between. He usually goes to daycare all day about twice a
week. He weighs about 24lbs. and is overall healthy. I'd like to
maintain his weight and keep all his energy! I give him snacks
throughout the day as well, like frozen chicken paste w/freeze dried
lamb or fish or something...

I want to make sure I'm feeding him correctly since he's competely
raw. He gets ~8oz/day. With 4 in the morning and 4 in the evening. I
think I remember reading that only 10% should be bone. Can someone
tell me if I'm feeding him right or not?

I want Snowy to be as healthy as possible!
Thanks and hope all is well,
shefy and snowy

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13a. Re: GSD diarrhea
Posted by: "leslie" lbuxx@yahoo.com lbuxx
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 4:01 pm ((PDT))

Should I fast her for tonight? As of this afternoon everything was
still liquid. Or should I go ahead & give her chicken leg quarters?
I could cut any fat & skin off if need be..

I dont think I can get my hands on any slippery elm bark this evening
but I can prolly get my hands on some tomorrow so not sure what to do
for this evening..

Thanks for all the good info-
Leslie

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14. first meal
Posted by: "Alan & Andrea Southern" wykham@sa.chariot.net.au seawyndriana
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 4:19 pm ((PDT))

I just chucked a chicken frame into the whelping box with 9 three week old pups, they just swarmed on it sucking and licking. One even had its head in the chest cavity, ten minutes later they were all asleep.

Alan & Andrea
KITNKABOODLE BURMESE
WYKHAM BRITISH SHORTHAIR
QUINIVA STANDARD POODLES
http://users.chariot.net.au/~wykham
Aldinga Beach
South Australia
Australia

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