[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11778

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Feeding Squirrel
From: Giselle
1b. Re: Feeding Squirrel
From: carnesbill

2a. Re: Need Help with Feeding!! Dog scarfed down big piece of steak.
From: Giselle
2b. Re: Need Help with Feeding!! Dog scarfed down big piece of steak.
From: Lyse Garant
2c. Re: Need Help with Feeding!! Dog scarfed down big piece of steak.
From: Eve Rosenzweig

3a. Digestion differences
From: nwohiopma
3b. Re: Digestion differences
From: costrowski75
3c. Re: Digestion differences
From: carnesbill

4a. Re: leg of lamb and chicken questions
From: Mona
4b. Re: leg of lamb and chicken questions
From: Mona

5. runny eyes
From: Vicki T

6a. Re: Moral Support and Feedback
From: inavioletworld

7a. Re: What to try next -more specifically
From: Suzie G
7b. Re: What to try next -more specifically
From: Suzie G

8. By Products
From: Lee Schlesinger

9a. Beef bones
From: sallynbob221
9b. Re: Beef bones
From: Laurie Swanson
9c. Re: Beef bones
From: hoover1203

10. burying food for later?
From: pelirojita

11a. Re: Eggs and other extras
From: Sheryl Edelen

12a. Re: New to group: be gentle
From: Nathalie Poulin
12b. Re: New to group: be gentle
From: arnereil

13. Agression
From: Lee

14. behaviour changes after eating certain foods ? & itching
From: Lisa S.

15a. Re: how much?
From: Debi C

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1a. Re: Feeding Squirrel
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 3:45 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Rob & Karen!
AFAIK, you should feed it. Probably be a good idea to freeze them
solid for a week or two to kill any possible parasites.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> My husband & I are new members to the group, so forgive what I'm sure
> is a question that's been asked in the past.
<snip>
> What's the word on squirrel? Thanks.
>
> Rob & Karen
> Bear, Daisy, Peaches, Myles & Mitzi
>

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1b. Re: Feeding Squirrel
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 5:24 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "akita6691" <kyharris@...> wrote:
>
> What's the word on squirrel? Thanks.

My dogs AND cats eat squirrels at every opportunity. Of course they
have to catch them first but they do pretty regularly. The cats seem
to be better than the dogs at catching them but they usually only eat
half a squirrel and a dog will eat the other half.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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2a. Re: Need Help with Feeding!! Dog scarfed down big piece of steak.
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 4:11 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Eve!
If the steak hasn't been horked up by now, it probably is well on its
way to being digested. NP ; )

So, this was about 5 1/2 ounces of steak? I would feed much Bigger
portions and take it up when you judge he has eaten enough for a meal.
You can feed once a day, and let him eat a days worth of food.

A dog's digestion doesn't start in his mouth, the way a human's does.
They have no digestive enzymes in their saliva the way we do to begin
digesting their food until it hits the stomach. There, the gastric
juices are very strong, and can handle chunks of meat and bone. All a
dog needs to do is rip off a chunk small enough to fit down his
throat, and swallow, so that digestion can begin. If it doesn't fit or
sit right, he will hork it up and eat it again. NP. : )

Edible bones are a small, but important part of the whole prey model
raw diet, about 10%. Beef bones are problematic, even for large and
giant breeds. They are very dense and are mostly not edible. If you
feed a couple beef ribs or large neck pieces, he may be able to eat a
little bone after he strips off the meatymeat. Chicken, pork, turkey,
rabbit, lamb, etc. bones are mostly edible. Any part of a bone too
hard to be consumed can just be tossed out.

Its often easier to start feeding raw with chicken, because the bones
are softer and entirely consumable by even relatively small dogs. The
heart and gizzards that come with whole chickens are fed as muscle
meat. You can add a bit of liver (a pinky fingernail sized portion) to
some of your dogs meals now. If you want, you can start him out on
Game hens. These are even younger chickens with very soft bones.

Organ is another smaller, but important part of the raw diet, about
10%. About half of that should be liver of some sort.

Ditch the grain, veggies, and whatever else you are feeding this
little guy besides meat, edible bones and organs. Including
supplements. Salmon or Fish Body oil is the exception, this is a good
one to add, if you want.

I'd offer him his next raw meal tomorrow.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Hi,
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I just fed
> my 17 lb pekingese a 1/3 lb of raw beef/steak (no
> bone) for the first time and he took two chews and
> swallowed the whole thing! I am freaking out big time!
<snip>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I really need
> some tips to get him started on chewing his food.
>
> Eve, NYC

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2b. Re: Need Help with Feeding!! Dog scarfed down big piece of steak.
Posted by: "Lyse Garant" lyse_garant@yahoo.com lyse_garant
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 4:47 pm ((PDT))

Giselle, Laurie, Chris O.... what does NP mean?
Also, if a wolf came across a bowl of brown rice, would he not eat it readily???
I ask myself these questions while walking my precious terrier. Thank you all so much for all advice!

Giselle <megan.giselle@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Eve!
If the steak hasn't been horked up by now, it probably is well on its
way to being digested. NP ; )

So, this was about 5 1/2 ounces of steak? I would feed much Bigger
portions and take it up when you judge he has eaten enough for a meal.
You can feed once a day, and let him eat a days worth of food.

A dog's digestion doesn't start in his mouth, the way a human's does.
They have no digestive enzymes in their saliva the way we do to begin
digesting their food until it hits the stomach. There, the gastric
juices are very strong, and can handle chunks of meat and bone. All a
dog needs to do is rip off a chunk small enough to fit down his
throat, and swallow, so that digestion can begin. If it doesn't fit or
sit right, he will hork it up and eat it again. NP. : )

Edible bones are a small, but important part of the whole prey model
raw diet, about 10%. Beef bones are problematic, even for large and
giant breeds. They are very dense and are mostly not edible. If you
feed a couple beef ribs or large neck pieces, he may be able to eat a
little bone after he strips off the meatymeat. Chicken, pork, turkey,
rabbit, lamb, etc. bones are mostly edible. Any part of a bone too
hard to be consumed can just be tossed out.

Its often easier to start feeding raw with chicken, because the bones
are softer and entirely consumable by even relatively small dogs. The
heart and gizzards that come with whole chickens are fed as muscle
meat. You can add a bit of liver (a pinky fingernail sized portion) to
some of your dogs meals now. If you want, you can start him out on
Game hens. These are even younger chickens with very soft bones.

Organ is another smaller, but important part of the raw diet, about
10%. About half of that should be liver of some sort.

Ditch the grain, veggies, and whatever else you are feeding this
little guy besides meat, edible bones and organs. Including
supplements. Salmon or Fish Body oil is the exception, this is a good
one to add, if you want.

I'd offer him his next raw meal tomorrow.

TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Hi,
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I just fed
> my 17 lb pekingese a 1/3 lb of raw beef/steak (no
> bone) for the first time and he took two chews and
> swallowed the whole thing! I am freaking out big time!
<snip>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. I really need
> some tips to get him started on chewing his food.
>
> Eve, NYC

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2c. Re: Need Help with Feeding!! Dog scarfed down big piece of steak.
Posted by: "Eve Rosenzweig" loulou_bean@yahoo.com loulou_bean
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 5:25 pm ((PDT))

Giselle,
Thanks so much for your detailed response. He seems to
be doing ok.
Just a couple of follow up questions:

I am going to feed him again tomorrow night. Do you
think there might be a chance he would still try and
gulp up the big piece? And how do I take the piece
away from him when I think he's had enough? I think he
might get very territorial over it.

So basically you're saying to give him a bigger than
normal piece of meat and I just should judge visually
when he's had the appropriate amount for his size and
take it away?

And at the end of the week I will try a quarter of a
chicken with the bone as well, but with his track
record this far, I am very nervous he may try and
scarf the bone down whole. Anything to avoid this?

And how many times a week should I give him bone? a
couple?

Thanks
Eve, NY

--- Giselle <megan.giselle@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, Eve!
> If the steak hasn't been horked up by now, it
> probably is well on its
> way to being digested. NP ; )
>
> So, this was about 5 1/2 ounces of steak? I would
> feed much Bigger
> portions and take it up when you judge he has eaten
> enough for a meal.
> You can feed once a day, and let him eat a days
> worth of food.
>
> A dog's digestion doesn't start in his mouth, the
> way a human's does.
> They have no digestive enzymes in their saliva the
> way we do to begin
> digesting their food until it hits the stomach.
> There, the gastric
> juices are very strong, and can handle chunks of
> meat and bone. All a
> dog needs to do is rip off a chunk small enough to
> fit down his
> throat, and swallow, so that digestion can begin. If
> it doesn't fit or
> sit right, he will hork it up and eat it again. NP.
> : )
>
> Edible bones are a small, but important part of the
> whole prey model
> raw diet, about 10%. Beef bones are problematic,
> even for large and
> giant breeds. They are very dense and are mostly not
> edible. If you
> feed a couple beef ribs or large neck pieces, he may
> be able to eat a
> little bone after he strips off the meatymeat.
> Chicken, pork, turkey,
> rabbit, lamb, etc. bones are mostly edible. Any part
> of a bone too
> hard to be consumed can just be tossed out.
>
> Its often easier to start feeding raw with chicken,
> because the bones
> are softer and entirely consumable by even
> relatively small dogs. The
> heart and gizzards that come with whole chickens are
> fed as muscle
> meat. You can add a bit of liver (a pinky fingernail
> sized portion) to
> some of your dogs meals now. If you want, you can
> start him out on
> Game hens. These are even younger chickens with very
> soft bones.
>
> Organ is another smaller, but important part of the
> raw diet, about
> 10%. About half of that should be liver of some
> sort.
>
> Ditch the grain, veggies, and whatever else you are
> feeding this
> little guy besides meat, edible bones and organs.
> Including
> supplements. Salmon or Fish Body oil is the
> exception, this is a good
> one to add, if you want.
>
> I'd offer him his next raw meal tomorrow.
>
> TC
> Giselle
> with Bea in New Jersey
>

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3a. Digestion differences
Posted by: "nwohiopma" nwohiopma@yahoo.com nwohiopma
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 4:44 pm ((PDT))

Hi,

I've been raw feeding my 4 Collies for 8 months. One thing I have
noticed is that two of them need more meat to keep their poop moist,
while the other two need less meat or their poop is wrapped in mucous.

Should I give all of them the same amount of meat, or cater to what
their poop is like? I guess I don't know if it matters or not. I
feed them a variety of meat, bones and organs. Thanks.

Candace and the 4 Collies

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3b. Re: Digestion differences
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 5:19 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "nwohiopma" <nwohiopma@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've been raw feeding my 4 Collies for 8 months. One thing I have
> noticed is that two of them need more meat to keep their poop moist,
> while the other two need less meat or their poop is wrapped in mucous.
>
> Should I give all of them the same amount of meat, or cater to what
> their poop is like?
*****
If this difference in digestive ability is a sure thing, then I don't
believe you are catering at all if you adjust the diet to meet the
needs of each dog. One of the joys/responsibilities of "making your
own" is optimizing each dog's intake. We may toss around averages and
generalities but a dog isn't a general, it's a specific. Do what you
need to do. IMO it matters.
Chris O

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3c. Re: Digestion differences
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 5:28 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "nwohiopma" <nwohiopma@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> One thing I have
> noticed is that two of them need more meat to keep their poop
moist,
> while the other two need less meat or their poop is wrapped
> in mucous.

I don't know if moist poop is good or bad or neither. I don't know
if poop wrapped in mucous is good or bad or neither. I suspect both
conditions are "neither". Mine dogs sometimes have dry, sometimes
moist, sometimes wrapped in mucous. I don't pay it too much
attention to any of the conditions. It just happens to be the way
it is today.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4a. Re: leg of lamb and chicken questions
Posted by: "Mona" mldbach@yahoo.com mldbach
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 4:46 pm ((PDT))

Thanks for your reply, Chris.

She's been eating lamb bones for a couple of years, but all of it was cooked before. We're
not cooking for her anymore. He bought the lamb for himself and cut off the bone with
some meat on it for her. She loved it and seemed to have no problems with it.

> *****
> What kind of bones and is she eating them and how is her digestive
> system handling them?

She's eating ribs right now. We just started raw feeding a couple of weeks ago, so we're
still trying to figure out what she likes. She seems happy with cow meat and lamb so far.

I guess she's digesting it OK. She's not throwing up. Her poops are different from the
bones she's eating.

> *****
> Could go either way. If you offered all sorts of chicken parts and
> she weren't having none of any of it, chicken may not be her meat.
> OTOH, if you offered one piece and if the one piece was a neck or a
> wing or a back (none are particularly meaty) you may not have offered
> a broad enough palate for her to choose from. In which case you
> should try again.

Great! I'll keep this in mind and try chicken again sometime soon to see what she does.

Thanks, again.

Mona

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4b. Re: leg of lamb and chicken questions
Posted by: "Mona" mldbach@yahoo.com mldbach
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 4:46 pm ((PDT))

Laurie,

Thanks for your reply. My dog weighs about 26 lbs right now. We know she has some terrier
in her, but we don't know what else. She looks like a cute mutt.

She ate the lamb bone with no problems and loved it. She seems happy with new diet most
of the time.

Mona

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...> wrote:
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> What kind/size of terrier mix do you have? >
> Laurie

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5. runny eyes
Posted by: "Vicki T" weimgirl16@comcast.net weimgirl16
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 4:55 pm ((PDT))

Hello All

Haven't been on in a while, but I have a puppy with tearing eyes and I
remember quite a while back someone on the list offered a suggestion
(specific food) for eye tearing. Does anyone remember what that was?

Thanks

Vicki T

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6a. Re: Moral Support and Feedback
Posted by: "inavioletworld" inavioletworld@yahoo.com inavioletworld
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 4:55 pm ((PDT))

Dear Meg,

My Pittie was leaking urine last week and they did a urinalysis and said there was traces of
blood, so my holistic vet prescribed a natural product called Urinary Tract by Genesis.
They are chicken flavor tablets with things like cranberry and other herbs. So far it seems
to be working, don't know if you'd rather try that instead of the antibiotic route. Though
in my case there was no visible blood.

As for the other issues, my dog has them too, allergies, etc. The staph infections and yeast
issues did flare up when I switched to raw also. Could be the toxins in the yeast and
bacteria dying off? But my dog only throws up or has horrible stomach sounds from
chicken, so I avoid it and have no digestive issues at present. Most allergies are
environmental, not from food.

The raw will help but it will take time and you will also find out after a while that most
dogs have problems due to over vaccination more than anything. Many people here have
mentioned that homepathy has helped with these chronic issues.

The one thing that concerns me is the UTIs reoccuring so often, have they checked for
stones or even a reproductive system problem?

I hope this helps and don't give up raw, this baby needs it!

:) Julie Z.

-- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "meg_helmes" <mhelmes@...> wrote:
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> Well, my pup is sick. She has a raging UTI (she is peeing blood and
> obviously miserable when she tries to go). Of course, critters love to
> get sick on Sundays, right? She won't eat, and a little while ago she
> threw up a little in the kitchen... I know you can all relate to
> feeling of being a bad parent when your pet gets sick. This is her
> second UTI this year (she had at least three last year). I was really
> hoping the raw would help with this, and it still may, I know its
> early. Her skin problems (staph & allergies problems) keep flaring up
> as well. I am trying not to waiver on feeding raw. This is what my dog
> needs, right? She just looks so sad and unhappy right now, and this
> is the first time she's vomited when she's had a UTI.
>
> I just need a little diet feedback, and maybe a little cheerleading?
>
> Meg
> Ruby (the wonderpit who looks so sad!)
>

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7a. Re: What to try next -more specifically
Posted by: "Suzie G" gusmyhairyboy@charter.net gusmyhairyboy
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 5:24 pm ((PDT))

Hi,Suzie G. here.

I'm so excited I can hardly stand it. Our female pup will be 7 wks old July19. I'm not sure when she will be flying in yet. She is a Top Brass pup out of Top Brass Point Blank Range (Fire) owned by Jackie Mertens and Sharon Long-and Kuventre Daddy Let Me Drive The Car(A.J.) owned by Sharon Long. She is living with Sharon andTThey can't om Long in Illinois. They will be flying her into Minneapolis. I will be driving down from Duluth,Mn.(a little less than 3 hrs to pick her up. They can't make arrangements with the airlines more than 24 hrs in advance. A lot will have to do with the temps.

This is almost like being pregnant and waiting to go into labor.Unfortunately ,she has been getting kibble.(Iams Giant Puppy or some type of Purina-Jackie wasn'tsure what Tom was feeding. I have not brought up the idea of raw feeding. I'm not in the mood to possibly get "into it". What I gfeed is not part of her health guarantee.

I plan to switch her cold turkey. If you could start her on chicken or whole raggit which would you choose? I can get whole live rabbits for .75 #. My husband kills and dresses them . My older Golden(11yrs)-Delilah and Newf (8 yrs)-Gus won't eat it with fur on. They will eat the body cut in naked hunks. I can only get them to eat the heads if I grind them with all of the offal.(except stomach and intestines). I want our new puppy to be introduced early and hopefully eat it all whole.(fur and all.)Do you have any suggestions for introducing it to her? Should I just let her play with whole boddies with heads while she is eating chicken?

I have fed adult dogs raw for 7.5 yrs. Puppy raw feeding is new to me. I am reading everything I can get my hands on.(not getting much else done :) Oh Well!

I will be addending a couple of puppy socialization classes before she gets here. I can hardly wait to get started, Thankfully we have alittle time for housebreaking before the first snow flies. (although in Duluth that could be early Sept)

Thanks for asking about us!

Suzie G., Gus My Hairy Boy, Beautiful Red Delilah, and soon to be turning dark Golden or red puppy

P.S. Any suggestions for female puppy names?

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7b. Re: What to try next -more specifically
Posted by: "Suzie G" gusmyhairyboy@charter.net gusmyhairyboy
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 5:29 pm ((PDT))

Hi,Suzie G.-again

It would help if I read your whole letter before before replying! Sorry about that.
I was just ssso excited to share info about our little one. We havn't had a puppy for a very long time.

Thanks for the info. I'll let you knoe how it goes.

Suzie G.

(should I have ANOTHER cup of coffee?:) )

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8. By Products
Posted by: "Lee Schlesinger" ienjoybeingagirl@cox.net kokapellis
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 5:44 pm ((PDT))

> Thanks for the website regarding Tom Lonsdale's book. It is very
interesting. I have always stayed away from any commercial food that
had that awful word BY-PRODUCTS, but in essence he is telling us to
feed by products in the form of heads, feet, etc of animals. Is this
the same thing in commercial foods when they talk of BY PRODUCTS? He
also says in the book to feed some fruits and vegetables. I have a
friend that will not get her dog off a total kibble diet and told her
at least buy a food that has NO by products. Maybe I am being overly
concerned regarding that issue.
>
Lee Schlesinger

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9a. Beef bones
Posted by: "sallynbob221" sallynbob@catskill.net sallynbob221
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 5:59 pm ((PDT))

Hi again,
I saw some marrow bones in the meat dept & was wondering if it is OK
to give them to my dogs, more of a treat than a meal?
Thanks, Sally & 4friends

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9b. Re: Beef bones
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 6:21 pm ((PDT))

Hi Sally,

Not a good idea. I fed them a lot since they sell them at the high-end
pet stores and my vet even recommended them. My dog has 2 chipped
teeth to show for 'em. I finally learned on this list that those big,
dense bones from cows and buffalo are too hard for their teeth. They
can wear down teeth, or chip or break them. I really wish this
marketing of "dog bones" would stop! Anyway, you want to feed bones
that are more easily edible (pretty much anything other than the ones
from cows, buffalo, and I guess elk...maybe deer legs...).

If you're looking for a dog-occupier/treat, try Kongs stuffed with
ground meat, then frozen and fed, or pigs' feet. You can search the
archives for more ideas, too (try "rec bones" and also plug in Chris O
as the author--she talks about long cow's feet or something).

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "sallynbob221" <sallynbob@...> wrote:
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> Hi again,
> I saw some marrow bones in the meat dept & was wondering if it is OK
> to give them to my dogs, more of a treat than a meal?

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9c. Re: Beef bones
Posted by: "hoover1203" hoover1203@yahoo.com hoover1203
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 6:44 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "sallynbob221" <sallynbob@...>
wrote:
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> Hi again,
> I saw some marrow bones in the meat dept & was wondering if it is OK
> to give them to my dogs, more of a treat than a meal?
> Thanks, Sally & 4friends
>
I gave it to my older dog as a meal but it upset his stomach for the
rest of the day. If you do feed it to your dog do it depending on its
size>

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10. burying food for later?
Posted by: "pelirojita" kerrymurray7@gmail.com pelirojita
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 5:59 pm ((PDT))

Hi,

My 2 year-old child and I were just out in the backyard playing with
the dogs, when my 2 dogs start digging at something on the side of the
house. I thought they had cornered a lizard and went over to make
sure it wasn't something like a tarantula etc. that might not be smart
to play with.

Anyways, I was quite surprised when my 9 year-old golden pulls out a
buried chicken quarter from the dirt and rocks. I am assuming it is
left over from her dinner last night. Is there any reason not to let
her eat it? (a bit of a moot question as she is chowing down as I
type) It was about 104 degrees here today and we are getting afternoon
monsoon rains - so this thing is not exactly fresh but I have seen on
the list that "fresh" means little to the dogs and their stomachs.

Is this a sign I am feeding her too much? Or just regular dog behavior?

I routinely check the spots in the yard where the dogs eat to make
sure there are no random raw parts for my toddler to get into. Should
I try to limit the burying behavior out of hygiene reasons?

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Kerry
Tucson, AZ

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11a. Re: Eggs and other extras
Posted by: "Sheryl Edelen" sophiiblu@yahoo.com sophiiblu
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 5:59 pm ((PDT))

Thanks. I wanted to ask a follow up question along the same lines and clarify about supplements.

My rottie Eleanor is dealing with bad hips and stiffness; she's on Duralactin, fish oil and glucosamine. There's no preference indicated on the labels, though I know most humans take that kinda stuff before their day starts. Didn't know if the same should be true for dogs.



My follow-up to the eggs is this: are almonds okay for dogs? I have a huge jar of them and my dogs have gotten into them. Twice (I honestly thought the first time might've been a fluke). Other than having poop that looks kinda like peanut brittle, they seem fine and actually beg for them when I eat them. Just wondering. Thanks.

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12a. Re: New to group: be gentle
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 6:06 pm ((PDT))

I have a shepherd husky mix, and she has yet to choke
on a chicken bone, or anything else for that matter.
I feed her a whole chicken and she eats her fill, then
I bag the rest till the next meal. By the third meal I
need to substitute some meat because there's not too
much of the chicken left.
The general rule of thumb is to feed meals that are as
big as or bigger than her head. That makes her have to
work at it.
It's the BEST thing you will EVER do for your dog.
If it was cooked, she could choke on it, but feeding a
nice, yummy raw chicken will help her teeth, her coat,
and her weight!

Nathalie

--- arnereil <arnereil@cox.net> wrote:

> Gretta is a rotti/Sheppard mix from the dog pound..
> probably 10-15#
> overweight.
>
> I just have this "chicken bone getting stuck in her
> throat" image.
> .
> Arne
> .
>
>
>

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12b. Re: New to group: be gentle
Posted by: "arnereil" arnereil@cox.net uncle_nevil
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 6:21 pm ((PDT))

Thank you... I'm looking at the ads to see if I can find some chicken parts
on sale, or if not, whole chickens... I'd like to try a thigh or two to see
how it goes, first.

Regarding the whole chicken, you just watch and take it away when you feel
your dog has had enough?

I could do that... wouldn't even need my machete../g/
.
Arne
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathalie Poulin" <poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca>
To: <rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Re: New to group: be gentle

>I have a shepherd husky mix, and she has yet to choke
> on a chicken bone, or anything else for that matter.
> I feed her a whole chicken and she eats her fill, then
> I bag the rest till the next meal. By the third meal I
> need to substitute some meat because there's not too
> much of the chicken left.
> The general rule of thumb is to feed meals that are as
> big as or bigger than her head. That makes her have to
> work at it.
> It's the BEST thing you will EVER do for your dog.
> If it was cooked, she could choke on it, but feeding a
> nice, yummy raw chicken will help her teeth, her coat,
> and her weight!
>
> Nathalie
>

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13. Agression
Posted by: "Lee" ienjoybeingagirl@cox.net kokapellis
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 6:21 pm ((PDT))

I have trained my dog to always let me take her food away from a pup
on. BUT, giving her raw bones, it is very difficult for her to leave it
when I say OFF. I have to put her on a leash and she tries her best to
show me she does not want to leave the bones. I then if necessary pull
her up by the collar until she has to drop the bones. Sometimes she
will come and then I give her a very good raw piece of meat or another
great treat. I can hold the bone and she is fine pulling the meat off,
but once I give it to her that is another story.

How to I cure her from this agression with raw bones? After she is bad
I have her stay in her crate for a bit, and remove the bone.

Lee Schlesinger

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14. behaviour changes after eating certain foods ? & itching
Posted by: "Lisa S." acbrio@shaw.ca trzazz
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 6:21 pm ((PDT))

Has anyone noticed behaviour changes in their dogs after they eat
certain foods ? After eating certain foods, my dog becomes more
cranky with other dogs (he loves them normally), he is more easily
spooked and more playful. That is after eating things like beef
liver. He was also like that later during the day that I fed him a
whole skinned rabbit (although he left the organs in a little pile on
the ground... darn dog).

Has anyone else experienced that with their dogs ?

Does anyone know if my dog is missing something from his diet or is
he just reacting in a funny way to certain foods ? Maybe I'll try
tripe more often and see if that steadies him. I gave him a whole
rabbit on Friday and that evening, he was cranky with a strange dog
and he spooked easily. The next morning, I gave him tripe and a
chicken back and primrose oil. He was happy-go-lucky with everyone
and all dogs all day. It's like I have two different dogs and I'm not
sure why.

Or maybe him being allergic to certain meats affects his behaviour ?
He does itch daily, which I haven't figured out either. I tried him
on one new protein source (elk only, no treats or anything else) for
a month and he didn't quit itching. Or hmm.. I wonder if I gave him
beef bones that month. I don't remember now. His itching is not
severe, but it doesn't seem like normal dog scratching.

I was hoping for some wisdom from this list, since I was told how
knowledgeable many of you are.

- Lisa S.
and Brio, 2 year old Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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15a. Re: how much?
Posted by: "Debi C" dcole6@satx.rr.com scarlet_debi
Date: Sun Jul 8, 2007 6:28 pm ((PDT))

I've been feeding totally raw for about 2 months, before that I was
easing into it while convincing my husband it was a good thing. Then
they were getting a mix of raw/premium kibble/and leftover people
food.

It actually took my male a little time to learn to eat the raw. He
had never had anything like that before. My female had run wild for
a while and she knew exactly what to do with it. LOL.

Debi Cole and the 2 mud dogs

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laurie Swanson" <laurie@...>
wrote:
>
> Sounds like they know what they're doing, and are naturally putting
> themselves on a more natural feeding schedule! The general rule is
> to start with 2-3% of ideal body weight per day, but that of
course,
> can be spread out into fewer meals. Smaller dogs tend to need a
> higher percentage of body weight. If they are happy, healthy, and
> not losing weight, I wouldn't worry at all!
>
> Not sure about the food-hiding, though. I mean, it's probably
> normal, but do you have to worry about attracting other animals
into
> your yard? I might not let her hide the food for that reason.
> Perhaps others can chime in on this one.
>
> As far as the itching, the first thing would be to make sure the
> chicken isn't enhanced. Other than that, it may just take some
> time. How long have you been feeding raw?
>
> Laurie
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "DebiC" <dcole6@> wrote:
>
> > How many lbs of dog food per lbs of dog?
>

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