[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11768

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Chicken frames
From: Alan & Andrea Southern

2a. Re: Thanks, Chris O.
From: mary
2b. Re: Thanks, Chris O.
From: jl ba
2c. Re: Thanks, Chris O.
From: tottime47

3. Testimony
From: Jenn

4a. Why does a dog throw up bits of bone?
From: Susanne MacLeod
4b. Re: Why does a dog throw up bits of bone?
From: Andrea
4c. Re: Why does a dog throw up bits of bone?
From: Susanne MacLeod
4d. Re: Why does a dog throw up bits of bone?
From: costrowski75
4e. Re: Why does a dog throw up bits of bone?
From: Susanne MacLeod
4f. Re: Why does a dog throw up bits of bone?
From: Yasuko herron

5a. Re: Sick on Fish
From: Andrea
5b. Re: Sick on Fish
From: costrowski75

6a. Re: What should i feed???
From: Andrea
6b. Re: What should i feed???
From: Giselle
6c. Are you in Arizona?
From: patrice_quinn
6d. Re: Are you in Arizona?
From: Andrea

7a. Re: New puppy won't eat
From: rottinluvr

8a. Re: Epilepsy & raw feeding
From: Nathalie Poulin

9a. Re: Newbie to the group with a few questions...
From: Andrea

10a. Re: question about dog killing and eating a baby robin
From: mwood8402

11a. Re: Treats and Chicken bones
From: mwood8402

12. Re: New to group: be gentle
From: arnereil

13. Re: Hello everyone- update on a Newbie
From: Michael Moore

14a. Re: Hello everyone...update on a newbie
From: mwood8402

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1a. Re: Chicken frames
Posted by: "Alan & Andrea Southern" wykham@sa.chariot.net.au seawyndriana
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 5:34 am ((PDT))

I would agree, the ones we get usually have necks,liver, bits of heart and lungs and other bits of offal still attached as well as a lot of meat. One for a meal is ok.

Alan & Andrea
KITNKABOODLE BURMESE
WYKHAM BRITISH SHORTHAIR
QUINIVA STANDARD POODLES
http://users.chariot.net.au/~wykham
Aldinga Beach
South Australia
Australia

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2a. Re: Thanks, Chris O.
Posted by: "mary" dobesrcool@cox.net dobesrcool
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 5:37 am ((PDT))

I also totality agree with you these people are a wonderful grp.don't know what we would do w/o them.

Mary H
----- Original Message -----
From: Laurie
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 5:07 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: Thanks, Chris O.

I couldn't agree more!!

Laurie

>
> Just want to say THANK YOU, Chris and the rest of you veterans of raw
> feeding, you are an invaluable resource for all of us who are just
learning
> the ropes. It must get tedious at times to deal with the same
questions
> over and over yet you and others who have been over this for years
give your
> time and patience so that countless others may have the chance to get
it
> right for the benefit of our beloved companions. And you're funny
too!
> Thanks again, Patrice Quinn
>

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2b. Re: Thanks, Chris O.
Posted by: "jl ba" streakinsixx@yahoo.com streakinsixx
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 6:28 am ((PDT))

Very well said and I also agree whole heartedly- have learned a great deal in the few weeks since joining! Even though I mostly just sort through the posts, thank you to you friendly, helpful, funny group!!

Jenn

mary <dobesrcool@cox.net> wrote:
I also totality agree with you these people are a wonderful grp.don't know what we would do w/o them.

Mary H
----- Original Message -----
From: Laurie
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 5:07 AM
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: Thanks, Chris O.

I couldn't agree more!!

Laurie

>
> Just want to say THANK YOU, Chris and the rest of you veterans of raw
> feeding, you are an invaluable resource for all of us who are just
learning
> the ropes. It must get tedious at times to deal with the same
questions
> over and over yet you and others who have been over this for years
give your
> time and patience so that countless others may have the chance to get
it
> right for the benefit of our beloved companions. And you're funny
too!
> Thanks again, Patrice Quinn
>

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2c. Re: Thanks, Chris O.
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 6:29 am ((PDT))

Add me in, I really would not have made it this far without all the
help I have received here......
Thanks to all of you so very much and from the bottom of my heart....

Carol & Charkee

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mary" <dobesrcool@...> wrote:
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> I also totality agree with you these people are a wonderful
grp.don't know what we would do w/o them.
>
> Mary H
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laurie
> To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 5:07 AM
> Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: Thanks, Chris O.
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>
> I couldn't agree more!!
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> Laurie
>
> >
> > Just want to say THANK YOU, Chris and the rest of you veterans
of raw
> > feeding, you are an invaluable resource for all of us who are
just
> learning
> > the ropes. It must get tedious at times to deal with the same
> questions
> > over and over yet you and others who have been over this for
years
> give your
> > time and patience so that countless others may have the chance
to get
> it
> > right for the benefit of our beloved companions. And you're
funny
> too!
> > Thanks again, Patrice Quinn
> >
>
>
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>
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3. Testimony
Posted by: "Jenn" jennswisher@gmail.com jennswisher
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 5:51 am ((PDT))

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to add another raw testimony. My blue tick coonhound, who
is now 1 yr old, had been limping on one of his front legs since the
age of 6 mo. After 3 different vets and multiple xrays, they weren't
sure what was wrong. An orthopedic specialist wanted to take him for a
shoulder surgery, but I didn't want to put him through that and then
find nothing so I held off.

To get to the point, I started him on raw about 2 months ago, and guess
what- his limp is gone! I suppose it could be a conincidence, but I
like to attribute it to his raw diet.

Jenn

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4a. Why does a dog throw up bits of bone?
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 6:37 am ((PDT))

My Frenchie has been on raw for well over a year now, and doing
amazing. He is a very finicky eater though. The other day, he ate
some prok neck or goat shoulder, can't remember wich one. When I came
home from work, you could see that he had thrown up bile with 2-3
chunks of bone in it. Why does this happen? He goes through distress
when he pukes and looks very uncomfortable.
Suz Kate and Joey

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4b. Re: Why does a dog throw up bits of bone?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:21 am ((PDT))

Sometimes Gieger still does this when he eats a particularly boney
meal. My guess is that there is only so much bone that can be digested
at once, or there are pretty big bone pieces in there that have been
digested all they are going to be. Since I don't feed boney meals
often, I don't see it much, but it happens. Maybe you could add some
meaty meat to the meal? Maybe offer the meaty meat first and then give
the neck to him. IME, goat shoulder is pretty meaty, so maybe he's
just overzealous and ends up chewing off large bone bits?

I think maybe the process of vomiting is more upsetting to us than it
is for our furkids. I know I *hate* vomiting, but they do it when
something doesn't sit right.

Andrea

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4c. Re: Why does a dog throw up bits of bone?
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:34 am ((PDT))

Thanks Andrea.....it's not that I'm worried, as he's okay afterwards,
it's just that I know how I feel when I puke, and it downright sucks.
So if I can avoid it, I'd like to. Thanks again for your help.
Suz

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4d. Re: Why does a dog throw up bits of bone?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 8:02 am ((PDT))

"Susanne MacLeod" <suzmacleod@...> wrote:
>you could see that he had thrown up bile with 2-3
> chunks of bone in it. Why does this happen? He goes through distress
> when he pukes and looks very uncomfortable.
*****
It happens because getting rid of an irritant feels better than
allowing the irritant to play havoc with one's digestive system. It is
normal and appropriate for a dog to jettison what doesn't work. It
would be far worse--perhaps fatal in some cases--for the icky thing to
stay put, or to attempt an exit in the other direction.

Why does Joey find himself in that situation in the first place?
Perhaps you are feeding too much bone. Perhaps you are feeding denser
bones than Joey can successfully digest. I recommend you review your
feeding plan to see if there's a recurring food that is giving him
grief.

It would be a mistake on your part to try to stifle Joey's natural
reflexes. If you really want to help the dude, adjust his diet to his
nees. On the other hand, if this horking is intermittent at best, you
might be wringing your hands over nothing special.
Chris O

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4e. Re: Why does a dog throw up bits of bone?
Posted by: "Susanne MacLeod" suzmacleod@rogers.com skull25ca
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 8:14 am ((PDT))

Thanks Chris, I really appreciate your 2 cents worth. I have never had
a problem with Kate, but Joey is a much more picky/sensitive eater at
best. Kate hauls into a RMB no problem, where as Joey doesn't even
know where to start. He is also not a "great" eater, in that he scares
the bejeezus out of me as he has come so close to choking. Kate on the
other hand, no problem. I just think he will always be that way, and
therfore I will just have to feed accordingly. Kate never pukes up
anything. It also happens rarely, so I will just be careful and try
to "even" out his meals better.
Thanks for the guidance.
Suz

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4f. Re: Why does a dog throw up bits of bone?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 10:27 am ((PDT))

>Perhaps you are feeding too much bone. Perhaps you are feeding denser bones than Joey >can successfully digest

Hi,chris. I was understanding that vomiting bone is because he/she did not chew small enough and hoking bones out so that he/she can re-chew again,but it happens with too much bone too?

I was undertsanding that too much bone means chalky crumbly poop,but did not think about it connects to vomiting.

Other thing I learnt here for vomiting is that vomiting yellow bile is for humgry tummy.

Anyway,vomiting occur when dogs are hungry or too much bone or when fed too densed bone?

Is it possible that if or when the food did not agree to dogs,do they vomit?

How do you tell difference between food really do not agree with dogs and need to pull out the protin from feeding plan and just need to get used to the new protin?

I think if dog needs to get use to new protin,it will be with diarrhea/with soft poop and eventually firm up the poop,but if the food did not agree with dogs,then what happen? Vomiting?Diarrhea?Both?

I was curious.

thank you

yassy

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5a. Re: Sick on Fish
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:21 am ((PDT))

How big are the herring? I had a nightmare experience with feeding too
much new fish at once, so since then I feed only a little fish the
first time. If it is enough for a whole meal, maybe you want to cut it
in half. Add some chicken or other regular meat to the fish meal and
see how that goes.

I've never had a dog that was allergic to a meat source, but I would
think that hives and itching would be more of an indicator for
allergies than vomiting, I think this is more likely "too much too
fast." Maybe someone with more allergic dogs can chime in here.

Andrea

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5b. Re: Sick on Fish
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:50 am ((PDT))

"Gavin Gunn" <meganhayleyfinn@...> wrote:

> I have fed my 10 week golden retriever twice now on fish (herring),
> once each week, but hours after he began puking it up. Is this normal
> or should I be worrying.
*****
I vote yes for this being a normal response to strange food and no, you
ought not worry. Just stop feeding herring.

He's young and you've just begun this adventure, you have plenty of
time to get fish into this character. Just leave the issue alone for
several months, then try again, with one single fish.

And he wasn't sick, just getting rid of something that didn't sit
right. This is a much better way of dealing with irritants than to be
stoic and continue feeling crummy. There's no reason at all to look at
this behavior as indicative of something worse.

Also could
> someone tell me what the best fish are to feed my dog.
*****
Herring are in fact lovely fish to feed. Herring, sardines, salmon--
three winners in the tastes good/good for you catagory. Whether your
dog actually likes them is another thing entirely.
Chris O

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6a. Re: What should i feed???
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:21 am ((PDT))

Well, I don't have a set menu for my kids, a lot of the time they just
get whatever I happen to pull out of the freezer for them. In the past
week I think I have fed:

Tycho (3mo Newf mix):
Lamb ribs and cornish game hen - Sat and Sun
Rabbit and cornish game hen - Mon and Tues
Duck - Wed and Thurs
Today he gets some fish for the first time (baby bonito)

Geiger (1yr GSP mix):
Lamb ribs - Sun
Buffalo heart - Tues
Cornish game hen and hunk of liver- Thurs
** It has been wicked hot the past few weeks and Geiger's activity
level has dropped significantly. He gets food offered every day, but
recently doesn't feel like eating a lot of the time (unless he is
finishing up what Tycho leaves behind).

There's a lot of variety in there, so it isn't a good starting point,
but it gives you an idea of how random feeding can be. Notice there is
no effort put into offering edible bones or organs every day. Hope
this helps.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "admiralsagilitydogs"
<admiralsagilitydogs@...> wrote:
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> Hello, please could some people, who feed the raw diet, please tell
> me a schedual of what they feed there dogs over a week??? Then i can
> get a better idea of what others feed.

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6b. Re: What should i feed???
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:36 am ((PDT))

Hi, Sophie!
It would be helpful if you'd post what dogs you have; their breed(s),
sizes, ages, and health problems, if any.
Are you new to raw feeding? What do you feed now? Where do you live?
You'll get more specific information relevant to your circumstances
the more detail you provide.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Hello, please could some people, who feed the raw diet, please tell me
> a schedule of what they feed there dogs over a week??? Then i can get
> a better idea of what others feed.
>
> Thanks
> Sophie.
>

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6c. Are you in Arizona?
Posted by: "patrice_quinn" patrice@patricequinn.com patrice_quinn
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 8:28 am ((PDT))

> ** It has been wicked hot the past few weeks and Geiger's activity
> level has dropped significantly. He gets food offered every day,
but
> recently doesn't feel like eating a lot of the time (unless he is
> finishing up what Tycho leaves behind).

> Andrea

*****Wondered if you live near me as we got to 121 Fahreneheit
yesterday. Needless to say, the dogs stay inside right now except for
trips to their outdoor enclosure to relieve themselves and chase the
occasional lizard (never caught). Patrice

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6d. Re: Are you in Arizona?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 9:51 am ((PDT))

I'm in the Central Valley of California, Fresno to be specific. There
aren't many raw feeders in the area, and a lot of those still feed the
vomit style ground stuff, but I'm slowly working on those in my co-op
to order more than just backs and necks.

I don't think we've gotten to 110 yet, but it has been humid as all get
out, which is unusual. I was starting to get concerned that Geiger
wasn't eating as much until my bf reminded me that he didn't eat as
much last summer either. He is more likely to eat when I feed him
frozen during these hot days, but sometimes he just likes to put his
head on the frozen food.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "patrice_quinn" <patrice@...> wrote:

> *****Wondered if you live near me as we got to 121 Fahreneheit
> yesterday. Needless to say, the dogs stay inside right now except
> for trips to their outdoor enclosure to relieve themselves and chase
> the occasional lizard (never caught). Patrice
>

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7a. Re: New puppy won't eat
Posted by: "rottinluvr" rottinluv@cox.net rottinluvr
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:21 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Rebecca Little" <pbgs@...> wrote:
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> I really think you need to give him a little time to adjust. Its a
new place new people and now you are giving him something new as well.
I think it is quite normal for some pups to not want to eat even if the
diet is the same since leaving mom and siblings is very stressful. Give
him time keep offering and he will eat.
> Rebecca Little
> Peakes Brook German Shepherds
> http://sites.centralpets.com/mammals/peakesbrookgsd/index.html

Thank you Rebecca! He woke up this morning, I offered the leg portion,
and he knew exactly what to do! He ate all the meat off the bone, and
even ate about half of the large bone itself. My little carnivore has
awoken!

Leanne & Casino

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8a. Re: Epilepsy & raw feeding
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:34 am ((PDT))

It really makes me wonder though, how so many people
can be feeding raw so successfully and there are still
vets (and MANY people) who tote how "dangerous" or
"unhealthy" raw meat is.
I mean, raw meat for PEOPLE can't be good, but why not
for the dogs?
It just makes me really sad for all the dogs whose
owners blindly feed their poor pups kibble without a
further thought as to why their dog has
"unexplainable" health issues..

HERE, HERE to raw feeding!

Nathalie

--- Barb <behaven@telus.net> wrote:

> We have had two epileptic dogs! Both were vacc'd &
> kibble fed before we
> got them! From experience, the naturally
> raised/raw/vaccine
> free /egg/taurine/amino acid dog is a thriving 13+
> year old today, &
> full of beans, I might add. The Phenobarb ,vac'd
> kibble fed died at 4
> years old! Will never vacc or kibble feed a dog ever
> again, no matter
> how "great" it might be! It is not!!
> Cheers/Barb
> Behaven Shelties
> Raw fed/Vaccine Free X 23+ Years-for a reason!---

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9a. Re: Newbie to the group with a few questions...
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:40 am ((PDT))

Hi, Kae, and welcome to the group!

1. Variety is our friend. I can't find emu and some other exotic
meats at prices that allow me to buy them often, but I try to make
sure my main meat is some kind of red meat (that is to say, not
poultry). It switches from rabbit to pork, beef, goat, etc, it
depends on what I order for the month. You don't have to break the
bank to get elk or buffalo, but try to encorporate as much variety as
you can. Search for things, if and when you can get different meats,
do so. But don't beat yourself up if you can't find affordable goat.

2. You're right, you don't want to feed all liver all the time as
your organ portion of the menu. At most, liver should be about half
of the organs, the rest can be anything, sweetbreads, kidney, lungs,
etc. I have fed lots of kidneys and never had a worry about uric
acid in them. I would imagine the ones you buy for human consumption
are flushed of any kidney liquids.

3. It mostly matters if the dog refuses to eat a certain kind of
liver. Some dogs hate beef liver but love pork liver. For the
purposes of raw feeding, gizzards are considered muscle meat. Heart
and tongue are also in the meaty meat category. For me, something
has to be relatively squidgy to be fed as an organ.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kaebruney" <kaebruney@...> wrote:

> 1- We stick to mainly chicken, turkey, beef hearts, liver, etc.
> Their fish has been tuna or salmon from a can as they both hate
> fish. However, I notice people feeding all sorts of exotics like:
> lamb, emu, rabbit, goat, etc.
>
> Are there benefits to the other meats? I don't have easy access to
> the and would have to search, but if they're better then I ant to
> do that for my dogs.
>
> 2 - Organs - which ones are best? I just realized I'm feeding too
> much liver which is fine because my dogs hate it!!! So I'm
> wondering what about the other organs... do sweetbreads qualify?
> what about kidneys..
> i'm scared to cut them and get a bunch of uric acid (eew!).
>
> 3 - speaking of liver, does it matter if it's beef or pork? and are
> gizzards livers?

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10a. Re: question about dog killing and eating a baby robin
Posted by: "mwood8402" mwood8402@hotmail.com mwood8402
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 8:31 am ((PDT))

Hi,

I think it would best to take a deep breath, relax and just start all
over again. Junk the kibble, it's not going to help anything.

How large are the dogs and what raw items have you been feeding?
Don't fuss over their food so much. I'm sure all your dogs are
capable. If you are worried about choking, feed larger items. Just
put the food down and go about your business. If they are hungary,
they will eat.

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "reesecup35" <reesecup35@...>
wrote:
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> Hi I haven't posted in while, I was feeding raw then I went to
giving
> them K***** one that is a high grade and feeding them raw with it
> because they were getting picky and I was getting fedup with there
> pickiness but I probably caused it because I would cut up there
food
> and even cut up the bones because I was afraid that they would get
> choked on them. I regret now cutting up the food for all of them at
> one time they would eat it off the bone all but my long hair dog he
> doesn't have very big teeth and I needed to help him.

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11a. Re: Treats and Chicken bones
Posted by: "mwood8402" mwood8402@hotmail.com mwood8402
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 9:13 am ((PDT))

Congrats on switching, I'm sure you're doing fine.

Because treats only make up a small portion of the diet, it's okay to
use dried meat or whatever you want.

As far as the chicken bones go, the others already covered that.

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "territurner3" <turk739@...> wrote:
every meal for everyday, haha.
> But what I wanted to know is what do you guys give your dogs/cats for
> treats. My Dane is only 3 1/2 months old so we are doing training
> with her and would like to reward her when she does well.
> Should the treats also be raw or could you use dried meat?
> Terri
>

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12. Re: New to group: be gentle
Posted by: "arnereil" arnereil@cox.net uncle_nevil
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 9:30 am ((PDT))

First, I am new to raw feeding. I have an overweight rotti/shepard mix.

First question for now is, i would like to get her a bone to chew on, as she
has some plaque on her cannines...

Are soup bones available at stores? Or do you just ask the butcher at stop
and shop for a bone for your dog.

I want to get into this slowly, so don't want a ton of information... just,
how do I get a couple of bones for her to start....

Also, I am mixing kibble and green beans.... and going to get some EVO
kibble and start adding raw over time.
.
Arne

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13. Re: Hello everyone- update on a Newbie
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 9:41 am ((PDT))

>>I have almost completely switched everyone to a raw/cooked diet. I
cooke mac and velvetta with organic milk, toss in raw burger and they
just love it. I feed raw beef or raw hamburger. I feed chicken and
turkey necks raw. I am also feeding frozen chicken breasts to my one
dog and he is just crazy for them. I feed the mac and cheese because
my one pup is just like a kid and its his favorite. They will not
touch commerical food. I have offered it and they just look at me
like what? My older dog refuses to eat raw, so I cook her hamburger
for her and mix it in the mac and cheese. I will feed her a pizza
before I feed her any commerical. They aren't real crazy about fish,
but I am trying different kinds. I will be going to the fish market
this weekend and will be getting some frest small fish to try. Even
the cats are loving the meat. I have been feeding organ meat twice a
week, but I do cook them. I tried couscous and chopped up the
chicken livers and they loved it. I also blend up a batch of
broccolli and califlower and mixed it into the gruel I feed. Can
anyone give me any suggestions to what I can do to further increase
this diet? I know alot of you don't think veggies are nessacary also
grain of any kind. But will it hurt to add pasta, veggies or the
unenriched durham semolina couscous?<<

Dawn -- you are certainly doing a lot of work for your dogs, but IMO, you are short-changing them! Your dogs -- old, young, whatever -- are carnivores. As such, they should be meat, organs and bones. Not mac & cheese, broccolli and couscous!! They have no dietary needs for grains or veggies. None. You are doing them no favors, and in reality are possibly creating problems down the road.
My recommendation is: ditch all the unnecessary stuff. Feed them *raw* meat, small amounts of organs and small amounts of bone. That is all they need. Honest.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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14a. Re: Hello everyone...update on a newbie
Posted by: "mwood8402" mwood8402@hotmail.com mwood8402
Date: Fri Jul 6, 2007 10:17 am ((PDT))

Hi Dawn,

I like your enthusiasm and the fact that you've abandoned kibble.
BUT you really should ditch the mac and cheese, the veggies and the
couscous because these things are not appropriate food for dogs.
Your pup is not just like a kid, he's a lot more like a wolf. They
need a lot of meat, some bone and some organs. It's actually much
more simple that way! I home cooked before I fed raw, and feeding
raw is much easier and more appropriate. Why do you feel the need to
add these things anyway? Just curious.

-Melissa W

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "babyboyfila1" <babyboyfila1@...>
wrote:
> I have almost completely switched everyone to a raw/cooked diet. I
> cooke mac and velvetta with organic milk, toss in raw burger and
they
> just love it. I feed raw beef or raw hamburger. I feed chicken
and
> turkey necks raw. I am also feeding frozen chicken breasts to my
one
> dog and he is just crazy for them. I feed the mac and cheese
because
> my one pup is just like a kid and its his favorite. I have been
feeding organ meat twice a
> week, but I do cook them. I tried couscous and chopped up the
> chicken livers and they loved it. I also blend up a batch of
> broccolli and califlower and mixed it into the gruel I feed. Can
> anyone give me any suggestions to what I can do to further increase
> this diet? I know alot of you don't think veggies are nessacary
also
> grain of any kind. But will it hurt to add pasta, veggies or the
> unenriched durham semolina couscous?
> Thank you for your time
> Dawn

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