[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11762

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: repo vet officially freaked me out...
From: Doguefan@aol.com
1b. Re: repo vet officially freaked me out...
From: costrowski75

2. Re: repro vet's advice
From: Michael Moore

3a. Re: Runny Poops ----- HELP
From: Sandee Lee

4a. Re: Beef..
From: Chrissy
4b. Re: Beef..
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: Poop(less) problem?
From: Sandee Lee
5b. Re: Poop(less) problem?
From: tottime47
5c. Re: Poop(less) problem?
From: WAGC
5d. Re: Poop(less) problem?
From: Anndrea
5e. Re: Poop(less) problem?
From: Anndrea
5f. Re: Poop(less) problem?
From: Anndrea
5g. Re: Poop(less) problem?
From: carnesbill
5h. Re: Poop(less) problem?
From: bluegracepwd
5i. Re: Poop(less) problem?
From: Sandee Lee

6a. ADMIN/Re: Poop(less) problem?
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: Chicken frames
From: costrowski75

8a. Re: Tuna
From: geraldinebutterfield
8b. Re: Tuna
From: Patrice Quinn
8c. Re: Tuna
From: costrowski75

9a. Re: deworming
From: tottime47

10a. Re: dead chicken carcass question
From: Bearhair

11a. ADMIN/Re: deworming
From: costrowski75

12. Sick puppy update
From: chamelett2003

13. won't eat bones
From: Linda Edgington

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1a. Re: repo vet officially freaked me out...
Posted by: "Doguefan@aol.com" Doguefan@aol.com knoxkennels
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 11:33 am ((PDT))

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thanks? Carrie!

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From: cypressbunny <cypressbunny@yahoo.com>
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:59 am
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: repo vet officially freaked me out...

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Doguefan@... wrote:
>
> p.s.? I found in the archives that tripe has a great ratio of
calcium:phosphorous

*** Forget about the stupid calcium phosphorus ratio. Worrying about
that and trying to "fix it" is what causes pano, eclampsia, etc. Do
not give puppy kibble or extra calcium to the pregnant bitch! Listen
to Cathy on that one, not Karen. Cathy explained it well.

*** And yes, tripe has a ca:phos ratio of 1:1. Big deal, since it
doesn't have a lot of either one.

*** The further you stray from nature's model the more likely it is
you will have problems. Tripe is an excellent part of a good raw diet,
not because it has a good ratio but because it comes inside a prey
animal.

--Carrie

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1b. Re: repo vet officially freaked me out...
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 2:23 pm ((PDT))

"merril Woolf" <merril@...> wrote:
> I feed a huge amount of variety, don't supplement and have pups
born healthy and shiny
> (everyone always comments on how shiny my pups are) and they are
raised on the same
> foods as the adults and grow normally. NO pano, no ...whatever.
Just strong healthy
> dogs. BTW, they are working dogs so I know they don't suffer
from any food related
> problems.
>
> Feed variety. Make it your purpose in life to seek out a variety
of food sources for your
> dog/s. Think whole prey where possible. Where that's not
possible, think ethnic markets,
> think fish markets, think rancher friends. Start prowling markets
in odd places. Talk to
> butchers. Go online and see if you can find a breeder of rabbits
or a goat or sheep
> breeder who'll give you their old or young culls. Get creative.
*****
Merril, you are the best.
You're the top!
You're the Coliseum!

Thank you.
Chris O

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2. Re: repro vet's advice
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 11:35 am ((PDT))

>>She told me if I could not tell her the calcium-phosphorous ratio of what I am feeding then I should not be feeding it to any dogs whos bone plates had not fully developed(fused) and surely not a pregnant bitch. She said I am going to cause all sorts of bone issues including pano, OCD, and a bunch more she told me. She also said I could harm the fetuses.? Now, I am scared to death.<<

Frankly, I think your "fantastic" repro vet wanted you to be exactly this -- scared to death. I also don't think she's fantastic after reading that.
Our past two litters have come from rawfed bitches. Our current, 10 wks. old litter of *nine* Pembroke Welsh Corgis (average litter size 6) were weaned to raw. Granted, they are not particularly subject to pano, but I can tell you that they are healthy, with incredibly shiny coats and are growing quite nicely. They are a little smaller overall than my previous k-fed litters, but I think that makes perfect sense, as they aren't getting any artificial growth stimulants.
Nature doesn't make mistakes; if the calcium/phosphorous ratio of prey model wasn't "right" for wolves, the species would have died out long, long ago. Our "house wolves" thrive on a raw diet.
Please ignore this vet, use your reasoning power and realize that, on this subject, she's flat out wrong.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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3a. Re: Runny Poops ----- HELP
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 11:50 am ((PDT))

Break that food allowance down into more meals per day. Feeding too much at
one time can cause loose stools...a six month old puppy is too young to be
eating once a day. You also need to get some variety in this diet.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "ptrsrgnt" <ptrsrgnt@yahoo.ca>

Hello, my name is Peter and my wife and I have two labradoodles. The
older one is called Maggie and is 8 months. She is about 30 lbs. The
younger one is Gypsy and she is 6 months old. She is much bigger than
Maggie at 50 lbs.
They have been on raw since we got them and their main diet is chicken
carcasses and occasionally they get chicken thighs or pork button
bones (mostly meat with a few small bones in). Sometimes I give them
mixed organ meats but they are not too keen on this.
I feed them once a day (noon) and Maggie eats about 12 ounces, while
Gypsy eats about 24 ounces.

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4a. Re: Beef..
Posted by: "Chrissy" hylesrayburn@sbcglobal.net tresuregarden
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 12:00 pm ((PDT))

yep foods co! They have the big chunks of roast, I was thinking that even with a bone it was a good deal. I do try to stay at or under $1. but this is a heck of a deal, I think that I will go early in the day and get some that way I have time to de-bone the meat before I put it in the freezer.

Thanks
Chrissy
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From: costrowski75

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Chrissy" <hylesrayburn@...> wrote:
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> Ok I got the sales add today, it is for beef chuck steaks or roast,
blade or center cut for $1.27lb. Now these with the bones should be
deboned before giving to the dogs?
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Hoo ha! The ad flyer from FoodsCo here in Sacatomatoes has the same
deal. A good deal it is, too. I always debone these cuts--they're
sliced thin which produces bones that look like daggers. It's my
preference to get boneless chuck roasts, but heck, it's hard to say no
to beef for $1.27/lb.
Chris O

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4b. Re: Beef..
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 12:15 pm ((PDT))

"Chrissy" <hylesrayburn@...> wrote:
>I was thinking that even with a bone it was a good deal. I do try to
stay at or under $1. but this is a heck of a deal,
*****
My goal is a buck a pound on average; so the cheaper I can go with some
things (chicken/pork/freezer burn rejects), the more I free up for the
high-price spread like beef and lamb and goat.

While you're at FoodsCo, see if they still have minimally processed rib-
in split chicken breasts for .87/lb. Nearly fell over when I saw those
a few days ago...the sale might be history though.
Chris O

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5a. Re: Poop(less) problem?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 12:18 pm ((PDT))

Backs and wings are far too bony unless fed with additional meat. Meat is
the primary portion of a raw diet...up to 80% with only 10% edible bone and
10% organs. Rabbit is not the main menu of a wolf, but when consumed in
it's entirety, consists of only around 9% bone. When cleaned and processed,
the ratio goes up but still isn't close to being mostly bone.

Pumpkin is not a fix nor are vegetables....neither are necessary or species
appropriate.

I do agree they will poop less and need some bone, but very little!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "cheryl4fresians" <cheryl4fresians@yahoo.com>

Just feeding MEAT may be the problem. Try chicken back and wings
WITH THE BONE. Raw bones are good for them. NOT COOKED BONES.

Just feeding meat is like sending a glob down to their stomach. Its
OK to feed meat sometimes by itself, but 60-80% of their meal should
be raw meaty bones ... meat and consumable bones. I also hear canned
pumpkin (not pumpkin pie filling) will help them out with either
constipation or diarrhea. Also, they WILL definitely poop ALOT LESS
when eating raw because they assimilate the nutrients rather than
pooping them out. Try blending some vegees, romaine lettuce,
carrots, celery, parsley, garlic into a paste and feeding it.

When feeding raw ... here's the key. In the wild, they would eat
normally a rabbit. A rabbit is mostly bones, lesser meat, small
organs, and stomach lining and whatever is in the rabbit's stomach,
small portion of vegees. That is how you should feed your dog. Go
the websites and do research. I think your dog needs more bone to
help the meat to digest.

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5b. Re: Poop(less) problem?
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 12:53 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Anndrea" <anndreae@...> wrote:

> Shelby (just under 50lbs, female, unspayed, American Bulldog/Pit
Bull
> Terrier) has not pooped since we started (we are on day 3).

> Any suggestions? Maybe I am not feeding her enough?
>
> Thanks, anndrea (with 2 n's) and her crew

Hi Anndrea,

My dog went 5 days when he 1st started.

Some said that the dog was using up everything I was feeding him.
That's probably true........but I was really worried.......finally
someone on the list
suggested feeding him organ meats.....Up until then he had
just gotten a smidgen of them......as we were trying to go slow.

I gave him what seemed to me an overdose, but he seemed to want them.
Next morning, 2 pudding style poops.........

Guess it worked, lol.......

If she's showing no signs of discomfort, you probably don't have
anything to worry about......

Carol & Charkee

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5c. Re: Poop(less) problem?
Posted by: "WAGC" wagc@sasktel.net frustrated_tracey
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 2:45 pm ((PDT))

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Quick question on this answer

"When feeding raw ... here's the key. In the wild, they would eat
normally a rabbit. A rabbit is mostly bones, lesser meat, small
organs, and stomach lining and whatever is in the rabbit's stomach,
small portion of vegees. That is how you should feed your dog. Go
the websites and do research. I think your dog needs more bone to
help the meat to digest."

So A couple of kids around here shot a jack rabbit and a couple of gophers
I plan on keeping them in the freezer for about a week, My question when I feed these
critters to my pups do I just throw the whole thing in the yard and let them go at it or should
skin them or do anything else first. Or maybe I should wait until they are older? they are about
11-12 weeks,

thanks in advance

Tracey

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5d. Re: Poop(less) problem?
Posted by: "Anndrea" anndreae@yahoo.com anndreae
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 2:52 pm ((PDT))

> Go s-l-o-w!

In switching over or in adding things?

> 2-4% is generally recommended as a feeding amount guideline, so a 50
pounder
> should be fed, depending on her activity and metabolism, at least 1
pound of
> raw per day.

Well Shelby isn't very active (though today we have confirmed she is
in heat, does that matter for feeding?). I want her to gain a few
pounds as she looks a little lean. You can see a silhouette of her
ribs, but just barely. She has been getting about a pound a day split
in two meals. Right now it has been ground beef/hamburger (organic,
but only because it was free).

> >Chico (75lbs, male, neutered, Yellow Lab/Pit/possible Sharpei)

> 1.5 pounds for him.

He has been getting closer to two pounds. I may need to cut him back a
little. He hasn't put on any weight but we are still just beginning.
He is only slightly more active than the others. He may be leaving us
soon for a foster home, and hopefully, eventually an adoptive
placement, so I won't know what he is eating then, but I can hope they
are raw feeders.

> >Holly (55lbs, female, spayed, black lab/mutt)

> 1 pound for her.

She has been getting about that.

> Bowel tolerance is very dog-specific. Did Holly get a more fatty
piece, did
> Shelby get a smaller piece, . . . all of these factors can easily
explain
> the differences in poop that you're seeing.

She gets a smaller piece than both the other dogs, but not by much.
They are all eating the same hamburger/ground beef (organic) right now.

> Tell us more about exactly what you're feeding.

Well, like I said, at the moment it is ground organic beef. I don't
have much that has bones in it, but am going to that a big pack of
ribs for tomorrow so they get some bones. I am just worried about them
choking or swallowing whole bones. They are all gulpers (Chico is the
least of a gulper, Shelby is the fastest, with Holly in the middle). I
have a t-bone or two, and some venison but I don't think the venison
has any bones, and I am not sure exactly what is in there as I got
them from someone else, and they are marked like "Venison B.S." and
other initials after the "Venison". They are not very big packages,
though, maybe a pound each.

Would the consistency of boneless meat matter? Like a steak as opposed
to ground hamburger? Or does it only matter between bones and no bones?

They also get fish oil gelcaps and doggy multivitamins every day.
Which, by the way, I am guessing is why Chico has HORRIBLE
fish-breath? Or could that be something else? Sometimes the girls chew
the gelcaps, but not Chico.

Thanks,
anndrea and her crew

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5e. Re: Poop(less) problem?
Posted by: "Anndrea" anndreae@yahoo.com anndreae
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 3:00 pm ((PDT))

> Just feeding MEAT may be the problem. Try chicken back and wings
> WITH THE BONE. Raw bones are good for them. NOT COOKED BONES.

Oh I know better than cooked bones, now :-)
I saw chicken leg quarters on sale starting tomorrow, would they have
enough bone in them? Once we get moved, I have a great source for
chicken backs at 55 cents a pound (that IS a good price, right?). Plus
I will be getting a lot of other things from him like beef and pork
necks and lots of meats and RMBs.

> Just feeding meat is like sending a glob down to their stomach. Its
> OK to feed meat sometimes by itself, but 60-80% of their meal should
> be raw meaty bones ... meat and consumable bones. I also hear canned
> pumpkin (not pumpkin pie filling) will help them out with either
> constipation or diarrhea. Also, they WILL definitely poop ALOT LESS
> when eating raw because they assimilate the nutrients rather than
> pooping them out. Try blending some vegees, romaine lettuce,
> carrots, celery, parsley, garlic into a paste and feeding it.

I don't do the veggies thing. Just my thing. I may try tripe
eventually, but right now I don't want to do the veggies. I will try
the pumpkin, though for the diarrhea dog.

> When feeding raw ... here's the key. In the wild, they would eat
> normally a rabbit. A rabbit is mostly bones, lesser meat, small
> organs, and stomach lining and whatever is in the rabbit's stomach,
> small portion of vegees. That is how you should feed your dog. Go
> the websites and do research. I think your dog needs more bone to
> help the meat to digest.

Well, like I said, I'm not doing veggies at this point. I want to do
prey model once we get moved, but it isn't feasible right now.

I thought it was lots of meat some bones some organs? Rabbits should
be that way, shouldn't they?

Well, Shelby finally pooped last night and it was fairly normal, solid
poop with long stringy things in it. She scooted her butt on the
ground one time a few days ago for like 3 seconds and hasn't done it
since, but is bleeding from being in heat now (just started today). I
wonder if the hormones from heat could be effecting her digestion?

thanks,
anndrea and her crew

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5f. Re: Poop(less) problem?
Posted by: "Anndrea" anndreae@yahoo.com anndreae
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 3:10 pm ((PDT))

> I'm sure he has. You have fed him nothing to stop him up. Like you
> said, he could have pooped and eaten it. Wouldn't necessarily been
> any residue and you wouldn't notice.

I can see that. (Sorry, it is my neurotic-ness showing through
here...Shelby is a "she")

> > Holly (55lbs, female, spayed, black lab/mutt) has had diarrhea.

> Probably because of the amount of fat in ground beef. Having
> digestive upset is not unusual in newly switched dogs particularly
> if there is no bone in the diet, even more particularly if there is
> a lot of fat.

That is totally possible. I have heard organic has less fat, but it
doesn't LOOK like it has less. It has a lot of yellowish white bits
(yellow from being organic, I've been told), but some of those didn't
melt away when my husband cooked some of it for himself, so what could
those be if not fat? It's texture is like store bought, for the most
part, but store bought has a lot of fat that melts when you cook it.
This doesn't do that...hardly any of it melts when you cook it.

> I think you need to do some research. Check out my web page at
> http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding -- Read the book "Work Wonders"
> by Dr. Tom Lonsdale. You can find it at
> http://www.rawmeatybones.com and you can download it in PDF format
> for free at the same location.

I have downloaded the books from there, just haven't gotten a chance
to read them. I tried to check out the skylarzack site, but it said it
wasn't available at the time. I will try again later. I have actually
done a lot of research before even deciding to try raw feeding. I know
I don't know a lot yet, but I know about the amounts of bones, organs,
and meat, I am just a little stuck at the moment on what I have to
feed until after we move this weekend.

> A few informative web sites are:
> http://rawfeddogs.net/

--- be sure and check the recipes page.
> http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
> http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

I have checked these out, too.

thanks,
anndrea and her crew

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5g. Re: Poop(less) problem?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 3:10 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, WAGC <wagc@...> wrote:
>
> when I feed these
> critters to my pups do I just throw the whole thing in the yard
> and let them go at it or should
> skin them or do anything else first.

I think wait until they are a little older THEN ideally you could
just throw the cacasses out in the yard and let them go at it,
however, the first couple of animals you do that with, you may have
to slit open the stomach or partially skin them or skin them all the
way to help the dog know that this is real food.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5h. Re: Poop(less) problem?
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 3:15 pm ((PDT))

Hi Tracey,

whenever I can get my hands on fresh whole rabbit, it goes straight to
my pups. I've given 5 week old pups a whole fresh rabbit before. I
do slit it down the middle so they can get through to the flesh, but
they love it.

I've got pictures of giving my pups whole calf. They were "dressed"
which means, no skin or guts, but I just put it down and let the pups
get used to whole or nearly whole prey. check out the pics here at
the bottom of this page:

http://www.bluegrace.com/rawpwd.html

cheers,

Jane

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5i. Re: Poop(less) problem?
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 3:40 pm ((PDT))

Anndrea,

Hindquarters have more than enough bone...remember the overall goal is
around 10% edible bone. Hindquarters are probably closer to 25%, backs are
much higher. .55/lb is pretty cheap. but you get what you pay for!! :) As
bony as they are, you will have to add more meat!!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Anndrea" <anndreae@yahoo.com>
I saw chicken leg quarters on sale starting tomorrow, would they have
enough bone in them? Once we get moved, I have a great source for
chicken backs at 55 cents a pound (that IS a good price, right?). Plus
I will be getting a lot of other things from him like beef and pork
necks and lots of meats and RMBs.

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6a. ADMIN/Re: Poop(less) problem?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 12:38 pm ((PDT))

Just so everyone knows, this person unsubbed from the list nine minutes
after she posted her interesting dietary comments.

[This is an automated email message to let you know that
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7a. Re: Chicken frames
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 12:43 pm ((PDT))

Shannon Parker <mrbatisse@...> wrote:
By chicken frames we are talking the breast bone, ribs and cartilage,
correct?? I just want to make sure I'm on the same page here...
*****
Yup, I think so.

I get Chicken frames from an organic source and they are not just
bone. They are covered in at least 50% meat, have lots of cartilage
and about 20% bone.
*****
I frankly can't see how that is physically possible but I know that
Bill C. feeds meaty backs that are also physically impossible so maybe
I am just living in the wrong part of the world.

If it works for you and more importantly your dog, by all means go for
it!
Chris O

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8a. Re: Tuna
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 12:49 pm ((PDT))

My husband does a lot of fishing so I'm lucky to have all sorts of
fish like tuna, halibut, to salmon...and I can my own (you don't need
oil or water to can it, not sure why it's in the store bought stuff).
My dog likes it cooked, but I may try just searing the tuna.
thanks,
geraldine

> > large box of canned tuna of all kinds and I was wondering if it
was
> OK to
> > give them some of it, and if so, how much?
> ******************************
> Still got the mercury to deal with....
> It's okay in the same proportion you'd feed it to a child or
pregnant
> woman...>
> Try to stick to the water-pack variety; leave the oil pack and other
> fancy treatments for human consumption.
> Chris Ostrowski
>

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8b. Re: Tuna
Posted by: "Patrice Quinn" patrice@patricequinn.com patrice_quinn
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 2:37 pm ((PDT))

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Chris, would freezing the raw tuna remove any of the danger of the mercury
content? I doubt it but wanted to ask. Also, do you always defrost what
you feed or do you ever feed frozen or semi-frozen? Thanks! Patrice Quinn

-------Original Message-------

From: geraldinebutterfield
Date: 7/4/2007 12:49:55 PM
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: Tuna

My husband does a lot of fishing so I'm lucky to have all sorts of
fish like tuna, halibut, to salmon...and I can my own (you don't need
oil or water to can it, not sure why it's in the store bought stuff).
My dog likes it cooked, but I may try just searing the tuna.
thanks,
geraldine

> > large box of canned tuna of all kinds and I was wondering if it
was
> OK to
> > give them some of it, and if so, how much?
> ******************************
> Still got the mercury to deal with....
> It's okay in the same proportion you'd feed it to a child or
pregnant
> woman...>
> Try to stick to the water-pack variety; leave the oil pack and other
> fancy treatments for human consumption.
> Chris Ostrowski
>

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8c. Re: Tuna
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 2:45 pm ((PDT))

"Patrice Quinn" <patrice@...> wrote:
> Chris, would freezing the raw tuna remove any of the danger of the
mercury
> content? I doubt it but wanted to ask.
*****
It will not and you doubt correctly.

Also, do you always defrost what
> you feed or do you ever feed frozen or semi-frozen?
*****
Do *I*? I most always feed at room temperature. If it's semi-frozen
it's generally by accident.

Chris O

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9a. Re: deworming
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 12:49 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tamarabajema" <tamarabajema@...>
wrote:
>
> is deworming more neccessary on a raw diet, do you need to do it more
> than once a year?
> Tamara

Hi Tamara,

I just take a stool sample into the vets about every 3 to 4 months for
a check..so far my dog has never had worms or a worming.....he's 9 yrs
old......

I don't think it's a good ideal to worm your dog unless you're sure he
has worms and what kind........I think they have different medicines to
use for different kinds of worms........maybe they don't....as I said
mine is lucky there......

Carol & Charkee

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10a. Re: dead chicken carcass question
Posted by: "Bearhair" bearhair@spamcop.net bearhair61
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 12:50 pm ((PDT))

Brenda Dumesnil wrote:

>we have a small chicken farm that we raise for meat. we also raw feed
>our dogs of cours. I am wondering somtimes meat birds suddenly die of
>heart attacks ect... now , I have been throwing them away. but it
>seems like such a waist. would it be safe to give to the dogs if it's
>already dead??? The ones we give to our dogs had been killed by us.

If you are certain of the cause of death and it was not due to anything that
could be dangerous to your dog, then I think it would be a suitable tribute
to that bird to have it be wholly consumed by the predators of the family.

Damn, I am on a roll today!

Lora
Evanston, IL

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11a. ADMIN/Re: deworming
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 2:32 pm ((PDT))

Time, I think, for this topic to move to RawChat, where such issues can
be discussed to whatever length or detail necessary. Further postings
on rawfeeding will be mis-managed.

Chris O
Mod Team

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12. Sick puppy update
Posted by: "chamelett2003" chamelett2003@yahoo.com chamelett2003
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 2:39 pm ((PDT))

Lily the skinny(was 5lb) Chihuahua has her energy back, playful and
affectionate. She is eating raw chicken (human grade free range bla bla
bla). Her stools are dark and gooey without eating any liver. she is
still on amoxicillin, sleppery Elm and reglan. Should I be worried
about her sools. don't know for sure if it is blood. Like black tarry
stools in humans means GI bleed.
Jill

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13. won't eat bones
Posted by: "Linda Edgington" lindagail849@yahoo.com lindagail849
Date: Wed Jul 4, 2007 4:45 pm ((PDT))

Hi!

Both cat and dog will not eat anything with bones in it. I have been just feeding chicken breasts, but they won't eat anything with bones in it. I have tryed pounding the bones but still no good. I started with Giz at hand feeding chunks so he wouldn't woof everything down and now he thinks that is the way he is going to eat. I don't have time for that. Frustrating~! So now what? Linda

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