[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11756

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: pork heads - keep how long ? Smash ? Elk heads ?
From: Bearhair

2a. Re: Identifying edible bones versus "tooth-wreckers"
From: Margaret Martell
2b. Re: Identifying edible bones versus "tooth-wreckers"
From: Denise Strother
2c. Re: Identifying edible bones versus "tooth-wreckers"
From: wenigj

3a. Silly Question? . . . . Maybe?
From: mail4leanne
3b. Re: Silly Question? . . . . Maybe?
From: Andrea
3c. Re: Silly Question? . . . . Maybe?
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: GSD first time raw feeding
From: Margaret Martell

5a. Re: Pigs Feet left overs?
From: denise strother

6a. Re: Your thoughts as I take the plunge?
From: cresco299

7a. Re: PROBLEMS WITH GROUND EGGSHELLS, ANYONE?
From: costrowski75
7b. Re: PROBLEMS WITH GROUND EGGSHELLS, ANYONE?
From: Casey Post
7c. Re: PROBLEMS WITH GROUND EGGSHELLS, ANYONE?
From: Anndrea

8a. Re: Questioning and need reassurance
From: Casey Post
8b. Re: Questioning and need reassurance
From: metra_co

9.1. ADMIN/Re: itchy dog
From: costrowski75

10a. Re: Need Help. PLEASE
From: Kathy McCusker
10b. Re: Need Help. PLEASE
From: Laura Atkinson
10c. Re: Need Help. PLEASE
From: chele519

11a. Re: Buying a full cow!
From: merril Woolf

12a. Re: Eggs gave bad gas..
From: Andrea

13a. Suppliers in So. CaL
From: mob1043
13b. Re: Suppliers in So. CaL
From: costrowski75

14. I have a new Daschund puppy
From: rhodesia22

15a. Re: So far so good, but have a couple of questions
From: Linda Edgington

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1a. Re: pork heads - keep how long ? Smash ? Elk heads ?
Posted by: "Bearhair" bearhair@spamcop.net bearhair61
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 6:16 am ((PDT))

Lisa S. wrote:

> . . . He has still only gotten
>the back of the head eaten and most of the lower jaw, with the lower
>jaw bone mostly still there. I don't know if he will be able to get
>through the skull at all. The head is about 12 " from snout to the
>back of the ears. It weighs about 15 pounds.
>
>Would it be possible to smash the skull with my sledgehammer so he
>can get to the brain ? Should I try that ? If so, from the top,
>bottom, side ? (ew)

From the photos below,
>http://www.skullsite.co.uk/Pig/pigdom.htm
I'm thinking that the best approach to the brain would either be with a
sledgehammer blow to the back of the skull, or a prybar to disarticulate the
lower jaw, or both.

Lora
Evanston, IL

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2a. Re: Identifying edible bones versus "tooth-wreckers"
Posted by: "Margaret Martell" zahrammm1@yahoo.com zahrammm1
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 6:17 am ((PDT))

K Carolyn Ramamurti <lilith23360@yahoo.com> wrote: Any and all bones from chicken, game hen, turkey, duck, and any other birds are o.k. to feed, right? And fish bones? But NOT weight-bearing bones from cows or sheep? Shoulders, ribs and anything else other than large leg bones from cows, sheep or pigs are fine, right?

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Carolyn -
Yes to your first question and yes to fish bones..no problems there. I don't feed weight-bearing bones or any kind of beef bone, including beef rib bones. My Dobe loves a nice big slab of beef ribs, but she ony consumes the very ends of the bones and I'll take the rest away when they're stripped clean. I consider anything pig-related edible for my dog; then again, I guess this could fall under the "know-thy-dog" kind of thing too. Some dogs can eat any kind of bone with no problems, others cannot. In my opinion, I just stay away from the weigh-bearing bones of large prey (cows, deer, elk, et.c).
Although, my dog did chip a tooth on a slab of pork ribs. Took her to the vet for that and the structure of the tooth was still fine. Just fed her boneless meals for probably a week or so. Doesn't bother her..she chews on both sides of her mouth.
Hope this is helpful.
Margaret & Zahra

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2b. Re: Identifying edible bones versus "tooth-wreckers"
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:03 am ((PDT))

I feed pork shoulders frequently. My 2 Chihuahuas and 1 Pit have no
problems. The Chis strip the meat and don't even attempt the bones,
but the Pit eats all of the bone, some of it or none of it. I'm
fortunate in that none of mine seem to be interested in chewing on
bones that aren't edible for them. Just watch them when they get to
the bone. If they chew and don't make any headway on actually eating
it, take it away. That's pretty much what I do when I have a new
foster. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "wenigj" <wenigj@...> wrote:
"Shoulders, ribs and anything else other than large leg bones from
cows, sheep or pigs are fine, right?" I just got my first pork
shoulder roast...

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2c. Re: Identifying edible bones versus "tooth-wreckers"
Posted by: "wenigj" wenigj@aol.com wenigj
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 11:31 am ((PDT))

Thanks Michelle,
That is exactly what I found so I did take it away after she had
gotten the meat off. You were right about it taking longer than
chicken =) It was fun watching her figure out what to do with this new
food.
Jill W
--- Sometimes there is a piece of bone that is kind of hinged
> on by tendons and I think it is part of the leg. This seems harder to
> me than the rest of the shoulder and sometimes I take it away since
> they don't need that much bone. I don't think they'd break a tooth on
> it though.
> Michele

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3a. Silly Question? . . . . Maybe?
Posted by: "mail4leanne" mail4leanne@yahoo.com mail4leanne
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 6:17 am ((PDT))

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Hi Everyone
I have a GSD x Akita who was a rescue and right from when I got him
he's had an ear infection and been very itchy all over, I've spent a
fortune at vets to no avail trying to pin down what he was allergic
to and having him neutered. He also started to get really
aggressive to other dogs and totally out of control, he is such a
big lad that I quickly went to a behaviourist to try and deal with
him, she suggested I try raw feeding after all other ideas failed so
as I was at the stage when I'd try anything I gave it a go. That
was 2 months ago and I swear if I hadn't seen the change in him
myself I would not have believed it, his ears cleared up he no
longer constantly scratches and he's calmed down so much I can now
let him off the lead again!!!
Anyway my daft question is I was told to feed him raw meat only but
I'm not quite convinced he's getting all the nutrition he needs
vitamins etc, I do vary his diet now with chicken, lamb and beef
usually on the bone mainly he's not interested in kidney, liver or
any of the internal bits, is what he's getting enough? I would hate
to come this far for it to do him some damage?
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thank You

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3b. Re: Silly Question? . . . . Maybe?
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:51 am ((PDT))

A good raw diet consists of more than just meat. When we say meat we
mean muscle meat as well as tendons, skin, cartilage, hair, etc. In
addition, the diet should be lots of meat (around 80% if you like
numbers), some organs (10% total diet, with liver as part of that
amount), and some edible bone (the last 10%). If you feed bone in
chicken, you are taking care of the bone content. Some dogs don't
like organs, so it can take some finesse to get them to accept them.
Some options are:
1) Try freezing it - liversicles go over well with some dogs
2) Try searing it - a few seconds on either side brings out more
flavor
3) Tough love - If he doesn't eat his bit of organ, he doesn't get
dinner. Easy as that. (and no treats either)

I usually try #1 first and then jump to #3 if the dog isn't
interested. A healthy dog won't starve itself in the presence of
food, so I just wait them out.

I'm glad your boy is doing so much better, and it sounds like you are
doing fine. Let us know if you have more questions!

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mail4leanne" <mail4leanne@...>
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> Anyway my daft question is I was told to feed him raw meat only but
> I'm not quite convinced he's getting all the nutrition he needs
> vitamins etc, I do vary his diet now with chicken, lamb and beef
> usually on the bone mainly he's not interested in kidney, liver or
> any of the internal bits, is what he's getting enough? I would hate
> to come this far for it to do him some damage?

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3c. Re: Silly Question? . . . . Maybe?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:57 am ((PDT))

"mail4leanne" <mail4leanne@...> wrote:
> Anyway my daft question is I was told to feed him raw meat only but
> I'm not quite convinced he's getting all the nutrition he needs
> vitamins etc, I do vary his diet now with chicken, lamb and beef
> usually on the bone mainly he's not interested in kidney, liver or
> any of the internal bits, is what he's getting enough?
*****
Edible bone, organs, plenty of meat from a variety of critters. No
veggies, no grains, no vitamin pills or herbal supplements. Perhaps
a regular dose of fish body oil or salmon oil, that's it.

You're doing fine with the edible bone and critter variety, probably
aren't feeding enough meat and you certainly must get at least liver
into the kid.

If you check the list archives, you'll see many people have trouble
feeding liver and other offal to their dogs. Many suggestions for
getting through this issue are available. Please browse the archives.

Here's how to join Yahoogroups so you can access the Rawfeeding
message archives:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/join

How fortunate for your dog that he responded so well so quickly!
Chris O

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4a. Re: GSD first time raw feeding
Posted by: "Margaret Martell" zahrammm1@yahoo.com zahrammm1
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 6:26 am ((PDT))

Star <akjstarh@yahoo.com> wrote: What would be appropriate size bones for him that is
economical? Turkey necks....???
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Hi, Star
In my opinion, turkey necks are way too small for a 120 lb. dog, unless it was attached to the rest of the turkey. My suggestion to your brother would be to feed half a chicken, half a turkey, a big slab of pork ribs, whatever protein he chooses to start with, but nothing as small as just a neck-too much of a choking hazard with a dog that big.
Good luck!
Margaret & Zahra

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5a. Re: Pigs Feet left overs?
Posted by: "denise strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:02 am ((PDT))

Sure, you can feed them. I'm sure a lot of people on the list will say that things have to get way beyond the scenario you described to get to the point of being unfeedable. I know this is true for me. Some dogs like things a little riper than others. All three I've got seem to like things best about the time it's getting to the "Whew!!!" stage for me. Denise

Bearhair <bearhair@spamcop.net> wrote: Pam wrote:
...can I still give the pigs feet again after having been left out for so long and refrozen..????

I'd go ahead and feed the remainder in a couple of days.

Lora
Evanston, IL

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6a. Re: Your thoughts as I take the plunge?
Posted by: "cresco299" gentry.jeffrey@yahoo.com cresco299
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:27 am ((PDT))

> Sorry, it looks like your post got lost in the group.......
> How has your dog doing now?

Thank you for the replies tottime47 and Andrea!

She seems to be taking to the diet like a champ! In the past when she
had decided to take a stroll through the woods, she often came back
with bits of deer (Legs and feet mostly) but has never been any worse
for the ware, so I figured her stomach is more than ready for a
variety of meats. Over the past week I have been feeding Chicken
Quarters, Spare Ribs, Pork Hawks and lamb shoulder (Basically anything
that was priced to sell at the local grocery store).

Her stools seem well formed. They are khaki in color and have a clay
type texture. But there is considerably more stool volume than I
believe I should be seeing.

But I think it is still to early to draw any conclusions (1 week on
RAW today)so I will stick with it and take your suggestions to heart!

Oh yea, one more thing...No amount of reading on these posts can
prepare you for the deadly, unearthly, noxious farts emanating from my
poor sweet Bailey. If anyone truly wants to find weapons of mass
destruction, They should try looking at the little hair ball curled up
on my couch!

Jeffrey
Cresco, PA

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7a. Re: PROBLEMS WITH GROUND EGGSHELLS, ANYONE?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:34 am ((PDT))

"Anndrea" <anndreae@...> wrote:
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> Can cats have beef and beef bones???
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Cats can have beef if they keep it down, it's a cat by cat thing. Cats
can work on beef bones, too; doesn't matter if they eat the bone or
not. My cat can't eat much beef but she seems to be able to strip a
rib bone. That she doesn't eat any beef bone is not an issue.

(Sorry if I am hijacking, but this thread
> reminded me to ask)
*****
The way you change the subject without having to hijack the thread is
to change the subject line. Just change it to whatever topic you
want. Ideally you should post a brand new post altogether but changing
the subject line is better than doing nothing to alert your reader that
you have gee'd when everyone else is still haw'ing.
Chris O

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7b. Re: PROBLEMS WITH GROUND EGGSHELLS, ANYONE?
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:38 am ((PDT))

> Can cats have beef and beef bones???

Beef, yes. Beef on the bone, yes. But don't expect a cat to be able to eat
any part of the beef bone...

> If so, how would I go about getting the bones to edible pieces if I
> don't have a grinder? (Sorry if I am hijacking, but this thread
> reminded me to ask)

You don't. You feed something with edible bone in it - smaller animals.

>
> Right now I have a little bit of venison, a LOT of different cuts of
> beef (including ground hamburger), a tiny bit of fish, and a little
> pork. Do I have anything they can have? I may not be able to start
> full time raw feeding for a while yet, so I just want to do a slow start.

They can have all of it. If they're still on part-commercial foods right
now, that's fine, you don't have to make yourself crazy worrying about
edible bone for them. In future though, you'll want to look for fish,
chicken, turkey, quail, rabbit, and anything else that has some cat-edible
bone in it.

> Yet another reason for my slow start. I gave them tastes of raw
> chicken and some ate it enthusiastically. I just need to find out if
> other meats are safe for cats. Also...does freezer burn matter for
> cats? I know it doesn't for dogs.

Some cats are put off by it, just so you're aware. Of course, some cats are
put off by the color of the sky some days, so what are you going to do?

Casey

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7c. Re: PROBLEMS WITH GROUND EGGSHELLS, ANYONE?
Posted by: "Anndrea" anndreae@yahoo.com anndreae
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 10:22 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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> Any meat your cat will eat is acceptable and appropriate.
> I wouldn't worry about finding beef bones your cats can eat. About
> 80%, 10% bone, 10% organ, yeah? Not every meal needs a bone in it. i
> wouldn't grind, I'd hack the meat into small enough bits for them to
> find edible, no more than that. And go bigger and bigger over time.
> Freezer burn meat for cats? Dunno, feed some, let us know if they'll
> eat it. It can't hurt 'em.
> When you do buy, try some beef or veal heart for meatymeat meals. Dogs
> love them, and they are good for cats, if they'll eat it.
> ime, hubbys don't like raw, but I may be wrong ; )

Thanks Giselle!

Yeah, it has sounded like hubbies are tougher to accept raw than dogs
and cats are (YES, I know that sounded sexist and was not meant to
be...maybe I should have said "spouses" or "S.O."s, but it really does
seem to be hubbies).

I know not every meal needs a bone in it, but right now I don't think
I have ANY bones they can eat. It is all beef and pork. I just
wondered if I smash the crap out of the beef or pork bones, if they
could have them.

Well, if freezer burn can't hurt them, I'll get them to eat it! No, I
would NEVER let them go 24 hours without eating (<my legal
disclaimer...LOL).

Thanks again! I will be trying beef with the cats very soon!

anndrea and her menagerie (6 cats, 3 dogs, 1 rat - soon to be 2 cats,
2 dogs, 1 rat)

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8a. Re: Questioning and need reassurance
Posted by: "Casey Post" mikken@neo.rr.com mikkeny
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:36 am ((PDT))

> Well.....yes and no. Commercial, for sure, would not be a good thing.
> But
> there ARE problems with feeding raw without really careful balancing.
> It's
> the phosphorous that needs to be limited and it's hard to get enough high
> digestible protein and calories into a kidney dog and keep that
> phosphorous
> limited on a meat, and espeically meat and bones, diet. For more info go
> to
> k9kidneydiet list.

Carol,

Yes, many dogs in renal failure need to have their phos reduced, that's
true. But the question was whether or not switching to raw will precipitate
renal failure and I maintain that no, it will not.

>
> I'd hate to see someone go off with a dog in kidney failure thinking that
> they could just feed as usual when diet could make such a difference.
> This
> list is for mostly healthy dogs, yes?

I imagine that many of us are dealing with less than healthy animals in one
form or another...but your point is well-taken that some dietary
modifications may need to be made for medical conditions.

> Hope this is ok for the list. Just taking the lead from reading the
> above.

Of course. You have a concern about someone misinterpreting what I wrote
and you clarified. Clarifications always welcome.

Casey

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8b. Re: Questioning and need reassurance
Posted by: "metra_co" metraco@hotmail.com metra_co
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:50 am ((PDT))

I would periodically swap foods just to keep it interesting -
> Chicken Soup for the Dog Lovers Soul, Wellness, Merrick, Blue
Buffalo...
> She was on Blue Buffalo right before the switch to raw. So she wasn't
> affected by the recall.

You'd be surprised how many foods weren't on the official recall that
folks
reported as affecting their animals...but that's another story.

Blue Buffalo canned WAS RECALLED!!! I bought a couple cans (last
August) and got an email (in April?) from Petsmart that they were being
recalled. This was a bit after most of the other recalls. (I actually
still had one can left and returned it to them. It was programed in
their computers as recalled.) I think I read somewhere that the plant
they used added an ingredient into their food without their permission
or notice, but I'm not positive I'm remembering this part correctly.
Good luck, Metra

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9.1. ADMIN/Re: itchy dog
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:42 am ((PDT))

Please take all Nzyme discussion to RawChat. Further postings to
Rawfeeding will be summarily dismissed.
Chris O
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10a. Re: Need Help. PLEASE
Posted by: "Kathy McCusker" kmccusker72@hotmail.com kathym14456
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:49 am ((PDT))

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Hi all, thanks for the replies. Being new to this, it was a reaction to clean it up. Didn't know
it would cause such anyone stess, LOL. I know better now. Kathy

In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> "merril Woolf" <merril@> wrote:
> >> Shame you wasted all that good food. :-(( I'm going to be
> thinking about that all day now.
> *****
> My dogs agree.
> If one horks something up and won't re-eat it (a rarity indeed) the
> others clamor for a shot at the stuff. Except for mackerel. Mackerel
> gets horked up, it gets ignored.
>
> However, in all fairness to out-of-sorts dogs, there are times when
> vomiting indicates ill health and it behooves us as responsible dog
> owners to know what's ill health and what's over-indulgence or gluttony.
>
> Chris O
>

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10b. Re: Need Help. PLEASE
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 9:58 am ((PDT))

Wait till you hear it being horked up at night! <G> My crew knows
I'm gonna holler "someone better clean that up so I don't step in it
in the morning" as, having identified the odd noise, I roll back over
and go to sleep. Of course, if the noise is close to me (as in ON my
bed) I shove the noisemaker off the bed first.

On 7/3/07, Kathy McCusker <kmccusker72@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ---
> Hi all, thanks for the replies. Being new to this, it was a reaction to clean it up. Didn't know
> it would cause such anyone stess, LOL. I know better now. Kathy
>

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10c. Re: Need Help. PLEASE
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 10:21 am ((PDT))

Don't feel bad. :) I did the same thing the one time my dog brought up
a huge piece of boneless pork. I thought at the time she was choking
on it and I tried to do the doggy heimlich. Then we went outside where
she finally puked it up and I had to drag her by the collar into the
house so she wouldn't eat it. Then i went out and wrapped it in trash
bags and tossed it.
Michele

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Kathy McCusker" <kmccusker72@...>
wrote:
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> ---
> Hi all, thanks for the replies. Being new to this, it was a reaction
to clean it up. Didn't know
> it would cause such anyone stess, LOL. I know better now. Kathy

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11a. Re: Buying a full cow!
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:50 am ((PDT))

although I think I might be best going halfs with a friend,
> what type of weight could I expect?I was thinking around 500lbs?
> also would a cow supply all the dogs needs without other things in the
> diet?...any thoughts on this will be greatly appreciated.
> thanks in advance.

We get cows from our rancher friend but it's not cut up so we have to do the entire
butchering ourselves. It's a LOT of work, btw.

When we do get a cow, the dogs feast on it for days and days. The first day when we get
the cow, they eat whatever they can while we are processing it.

After we are finished packaging it, we leave the dogs with the head, legs, stomach and
pelvis.
They will eat on this for days until it is just bone or stomach grass.

Since they have binged for those days, they are usually very fat and don't do much for a
few days. I usually go back to light meals of chicken after a cow feast.

I don't know whether it's good to eat only cow for weeks at a time since most of the bone
is not very edible so you'd mostly be getting organs, muscle or fat. I like to throw in
some edible bone from another source just to be sure.

As for how much you will get from a whole cow, that depends on the breed, the size of the
cow and if the rancher gives you the entire cow or only what is left after he's processed it.
The hide actually weighs a fair bit so you'd lose about 100 lbs right there. The bones are
also very heavy and mostly not edible. The intestines are also not that edible and fairly
large. The stomach has huge amounts of grass in it so you'll get about 50 lbs of waste
right there.
That being said, what you will be left with is still a huge amount even if it's a smaller cow.
An older cow or bull will give you more meat/organs/boney cuts than you can even
imagine.
Some of us on here still have "fond" memories of the 2000 lb bull.... Now THAT was a lot
of meat!
We usually get beef cows that weigh generally about 1200 lbs. Less if the cow is lean or
younger. By time all is said and done, we usually end up with about 700 - 800 lbs of
meat if you include the head etc. My dogs eat everything except for stomach grass, (they
do eat the partially digested green veg matter in the other parts of the stomach), large
bones and intestines.

>
> p.s...never got a price on sheep,but believe around £20/$40(would
> sheep be a better buy?...as can be replaced with fresh animals,..were
> as the cow will be frozen and take a while to use,..thanks Stephen.

From my experience, you get more bang for your buck with a cow.
Goats and sheep dress out much leaner than a cow. Goats less than sheep due to less fat
on the goats.
When we dress out a 140 lb goat, it takes up one shelf in the freezer. There isn't much to
them. Haven't done a sheep in a while but they wouldn't take up more than 2 shelves I
think.
Cows, on the other hand, cause you to end up buying more and more freezers.
You can't get a cow into one freezer unless you are a packaging genius.

I hope you do take the cow. You'll get your monies worth. Ask for all of the cow if
possible with exceptions being the hide and the intestines.
You get your monies worth.

Merril

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12a. Re: Eggs gave bad gas..
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 7:51 am ((PDT))

Its possible the gas will go away. . .eventually. Geiger, my GSP, got
the kind of gas that peels paint off of walls when he first ate eggs.
It might have gotten better, or I might be getting used to the smell,
because it doesn't seem so bad anymore. He also used to get weapons
grade gas when he ate pork, but now its down to simple eye watering
smell. I've been known to feed Geiger pork or egg before family get
togethers just for the fun of watching people's reactions when he
pretends he's a skunk. It's sick, I know. (=

Andrea

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13a. Suppliers in So. CaL
Posted by: "mob1043" ynotbeastar@marykay.com mob1043
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 8:50 am ((PDT))

I live in a predominant agriculture area and we have no butchers around here, that seems
crazy to me.

Does anybody know of any suppliers that may service the southern calif area? We are using
carnicerias mostly for meat purchases and therefore am not finding that we are saving from
using the awful "K" product.

I am feeding about 15 lbs per day so I need some help here.

Thank you

Michele

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13b. Re: Suppliers in So. CaL
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 9:40 am ((PDT))

"mob1043" <ynotbeastar@...> wrote:
> Does anybody know of any suppliers that may service the southern
calif area?
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Two that come immediately to mind are
http://socalbarf.com
http://crestonvalleymeats.com/

Both seem to lean, at first glance, towards the world according to BARF
but with some judicious ordering you can do quite nicely.
Chris O

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14. I have a new Daschund puppy
Posted by: "rhodesia22" cac22@hotmail.com rhodesia22
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 9:20 am ((PDT))

We have a new dashound puppy arriving shortly and we have an adult
dashund. We have been concerned with feeding them commerical dry food
as with our current dashund, weight gain has been a problem. Since we
have started feeding him raw vegetables it has improved. Since finding
rawfeeding we see that raw meat is recommeded. I need advice and diet
plan ideas for both a puppy and our adult dog. Also anyone who might
have suggestions on daxi training- as they're not the easiest!

Catherine.

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15a. Re: So far so good, but have a couple of questions
Posted by: "Linda Edgington" lindagail849@yahoo.com lindagail849
Date: Tue Jul 3, 2007 11:03 am ((PDT))

HI,
Giz is a tiny toy poode and he weighs 5.2 pounds and is 7 years old. Sassafrass is 10 months old cat at 6#'s. I have not started feeding any cornish hen yet. They are just on chicken breast, so far. I don't know for sure when I should be introducing bone. I had the hens so that is what I was going to start with. I thought I would feed sass as usual on the washer and feed Giz his first "bone" meal out in the yard while I am working in flower garden. And again, if Giz doesn't poop tomorrow do I need to be worried. On another note, they are both more contented than I have ever seen them. I am soo glad I am doing this. After all the years that I have been spoiling the "wrong way".

Thanks,

Linda

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