[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11751

There are 8 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Ground beef
From: Laurie Swanson

2a. Re: Howdy!
From: sazkeeper
2b. Re: Howdy!
From: ginny wilken

3a. Re: overweight dog
From: mrsdog_lover

4a. Re: Abbreviations
From: Chrissy

5a. Re: Very sick puppy
From: Cdandp2@aol.com

6a. Re: different cuts of ribs - and lamb/goat cuts
From: Chrissy

7. supplemnet for joints
From: betty hinson

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1a. Re: Ground beef
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 11:25 pm ((PDT))

Hi Tracy,

It's not optimal to feed lots of ground all of the time, but it can
have a place in a good diet. It doesn't require the dog to work
at/rip/tear apart and doesn't have bones, so is of no help in the
dental hygiene area. It can be high in fat, which is just something to
keep in mind. Some dogs tolerate more fat better than others. And
there will often be more bacteria, because grinding allows more of the
meat to be exposed. But that's not a concern of mine, or probably most-
-unless they have a severely immuno-compromised dog.

All that being said, I feed a bit of it because I like to stuff it into
Kongs, freeze, and keep my dog busy a few times a week. But I can find
better stuff for the majority of his meals. So, I guess it's way
better than kibble, but not as good as meat on bone!

You might want to ask your butcher what the fat percentage is, or not
to grind it next time, that way you'll be able to tell how fatty the
trim is and exactly what you're paying for.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "trayc2244" <BreeZ119@...> wrote:

Is ground beef okay to feed?

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2a. Re: Howdy!
Posted by: "sazkeeper" sazkeeper@yahoo.com sazkeeper
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 11:26 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...>
wrote:
> Here's the deal: you have big dogs. What you are currently
feeding
> is not optimal for big dogs. In fact, though your choices
absolutely
> get your dogs away kibble (which is a very good thing indeed) they
> can use some adjusting. You can--easily--do better for your GSDs.
>
> Chicken backs should be upgraded to chicken leg quarters at the
very
> least; chicken halves would be better yet. Your dogs are
certainly
> capable of eating whole chickens, but since they're more ready for
> raw than you are, you got time.

>
> What you can do right now to those backs though is add meat.

Well, I guess I need to explain myself a little better - so I don't
get flamed uneccesarily. I've only been feeding raw for a little
UNDER a week - and all my research said to start with one type of
food at a time. I fully intend to add more muscle meat and organ
meat - and probably would have faster, had my entire order come in.
Fact is, it didn't and backs were all I got - so I had to make due.
It was my understanding that variety over time made balance...and, I
have been going through my freezer to see what I already have and
have fed breast meat as well - just backs as a staple. And, as one
of my "large dogs" is still a nine-week-old puppy, backs (as I see
it) are more suitable bones for him than legs.

> not too sure if I will switch Bullet, my cat, as he
> > is 17 yrs old and doesn't have too many teeth left. Any advice
in
> > that area?
> *****
> I suggest you subscribe to RawCat, where cats--as is their wont--
> reign supreme.

If I get a better reception there, maybe I will. I assumed since the
name of this group is "rawfeeding" that it wasn't dog-exclusive.

>
> One thing I have already run into is the training treat thing,
but I
> > see there is a file on the subject. I haven't read it all the
way
> > through - does it have detailed cooking instructions for the
liver?
> *****
> The Rawfeeding list is not the place to discuss detailed cooking
> instructions for anything! Please right now before you get into
it
> take all treat-making questions to RawChat. If you ask such
> questions here your posts will be drawn and quartered and flung to
> the four winds.

Considering I got the information on COOKED liver as training treats
from this group's files that it wouldn't be out of line to ask for
more details... guess I was wrong.

If I had known that sarcasm and beratement were the way I was going
to be greeted as a new raw feeder - I might have thought again about
joining this list. Maybe I still will...or maybe someone can tell me
I read too much into this reply...dunno. I hope you don't greet all
newbies this way.

Kameron

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2b. Re: Howdy!
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 11:50 pm ((PDT))

On Jul 1, 2007, at 10:02 PM, sazkeeper wrote:

>
> If I had known that sarcasm and beratement were the way I was going
> to be greeted as a new raw feeder - I might have thought again about
> joining this list. Maybe I still will...or maybe someone can tell me
> I read too much into this reply...dunno. I hope you don't greet all
> newbies this way.
>
> Kameron

OK, let me try - I hear derisive snickers, as most would not label me
as particularly strategic:)

I don't see anything in what Chris said as sarcastic. There are
facts, and you're correct in that we had not a clue about your
background when they were written. But there's nothing wrong with the
info you got, and I don't see anything that looks like a putdown or
beratement. We've been doing this a while, and have the kinks worked
out, so we just tell you how it works best. We're happy to listen to
your reasons for doing otherwise, but then we'll help you there, too.

RawChat is attached at the hip to this list; it's a sort of subset of
info, and we try really hard to separate out the slightly sideways
topics so we can keep the big group on focus. But the info in the
files is general raw feeding info, and a lot of it was put up before
we even HAD RawChat, so that could explain why you found treat stuff
there.

Same thing with kitties; RawCat can go into more detail, most times,
and the support is directly cat-oriented. So, again, it's not a
"different" list, really, just a more concentrated, distilled version
for cat folk. I do think you can switch your old cat, but it may take
some patience. It's certain to be worth it, healthwise.

And let me say "Welcome", on behalf of all 9000+ of us, with 9000+
styles of thinking and writing. How we greet is a direct function of
the urgency with which we perceive you might be heading for problems,
so we jump right in and try to guide you, assuming that's why you're
here.

Hoping this helps a bit,

ginny and Tomo

All stunts performed without a net!

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3a. Re: overweight dog
Posted by: "mrsdog_lover" mrsdog_lover@yahoo.com mrsdog_lover
Date: Mon Jul 2, 2007 4:31 am ((PDT))

Thanks Liz for your advice....She already seems to have a softer belly
to toutch. A week ago it was hard as rock!!
ciao....
Marisa

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4a. Re: Abbreviations
Posted by: "Chrissy" hylesrayburn@sbcglobal.net tresuregarden
Date: Mon Jul 2, 2007 4:32 am ((PDT))

I know what AST is! I sure do miss my furkids....
Chrissy
----- Original Message -----
From: ginny wilken
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [rawfeeding] Re: Abbreviations

On Jul 1, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Jeannine wrote:

> How about GSD?? What is that?
> Jeannine
>

German Shepherd Dog

ginny and Tomo, an AST:)

All stunts performed without a net!

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5a. Re: Very sick puppy
Posted by: "Cdandp2@aol.com" Cdandp2@aol.com cdandp
Date: Mon Jul 2, 2007 4:32 am ((PDT))

For human food, it's been suggested to soak raw meat, especially poultry,
(also produce) in water with a little hydrogren peroxide for bacteria. You
could also use white or cider vinegar.

Carol and spencer

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6a. Re: different cuts of ribs - and lamb/goat cuts
Posted by: "Chrissy" hylesrayburn@sbcglobal.net tresuregarden
Date: Mon Jul 2, 2007 4:32 am ((PDT))

I know this is an out there question but I keep seeing people buying or slaughtering Sheep/Goat at really small dressed weight. The last lambs I had butchered were very small and both of them were well over 70lbs. The hot weight on a full grown Ram is about 250# and a Ewe is about 175#.

I know this is a bit off topic, but I am not understanding the weight on some of these animals. you should easily get 100 lbs of lamb from a yearling, but then again the breed has something to do with that.

I think I am going to butcher my ram myself, I am to the point that I don't trust him and he is getting mean with the ewes, I just know one of these days when I smack him in the head for charging me he is going to fall down and not get up.

Anyways... even though I lost all my lambs to someone else's dog, I think that I am going to buy some that someone else has pastured for the last 6 months, There are in the paper for $50-$80, the price of hay has gone through the roof.

Sorry about being long winded and ot
Chrissy

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"Chrissy" <hylesrayburn@...> wrote:
What is a 6 way cut?
*****
Not 6-way, 6-cut.

Typically it's a dressed carcass (no head, no legs below the knee or
hock) that's been cut behind the front legs, then again in front of the
back legs, and split down the spine, producing six pieces of goat.
Chris O

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7. supplemnet for joints
Posted by: "betty hinson" b_hinson@sbcglobal.net paps4jesus
Date: Mon Jul 2, 2007 5:28 am ((PDT))

Can any one recommend a good glucosomine supplement. I have a 13 1/2 year old dog who is starting to go down in his back legs. I give longevity by springtime but I th ink it has to much other stuff in it. He has aheart condition and liver condition. Thanks
Betty Hinson
b_hinson@sbcglobal.net

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