[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11741

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Constipated dog?
From: chele519
1b. Re: Constipated dog?
From: costrowski75

2a. Standard Poodle Puppy 9weeks
From: boyleygod
2b. Re: Standard Poodle Puppy 9weeks
From: costrowski75
2c. Re: Standard Poodle Puppy 9weeks
From: goinggone99

3. Re: starting out
From: Michael Moore

4a. Re: diabetes insipidus
From: Giselle
4b. Re: diabetes insipidus
From: cypressbunny
4c. Re: diabetes insipidus
From: tobyfwest
4d. Re: diabetes insipidus
From: tobyfwest

5a. Starting out
From: Cris Milam

6a. Re: This is funny! Freecycle reply
From: john payne
6b. ADMIN/Re: This is funny! Freecycle reply
From: costrowski75

7a. Re: Newbie Here
From: mob1043
7b. Re: Newbie Here
From: mob1043

8a. RMB's during a pregnancy
From: Perri Eskew
8b. Re: RMB's during a pregnancy
From: Tina Berry
8c. Re: RMB's during a pregnancy
From: cypressbunny
8d. Re: RMB's during a pregnancy
From: Laura Atkinson
8e. Re: RMB's during a pregnancy
From: Perri Eskew

9.1. Re: Eating grass
From: Evie
9.2. Re: Eating grass
From: pitbullanholder

10. Trouble with my Mom's Schnauzer
From: Liz

11.1. Re: itchy dog
From: Laurie

12. Kidney and heart
From: raffiangel2

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1a. Re: Constipated dog?
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:41 am ((PDT))

Thanks Chris. That's what I thought but wanted another opinion. I have
been giving her a little extra liver but I also don't want any
accidents while I'm gone so she's staying in the crate til she goes.
Michele

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> Yes, I agree. What you had fed previously doesn't strike me as
> particularly bony. Your dramatic reduction of exercise is probably
> at the root of her digestive inactivity. That's a big lifestyle
> change!

> Yes. I'm not sure it's even constipation since she has shown no
> restlessness or unsuccessful squatting. Get her back to her usual
> regimen and see what happens. At that point if she is straining, you
> might want to lube her tubes with more salmon oil or liver.

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1b. Re: Constipated dog?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:11 am ((PDT))

"chele519" <chele519@...> wrote:
I have
> been giving her a little extra liver but I also don't want any
> accidents while I'm gone so she's staying in the crate til she goes.
*****
Um, this makes no sense.
You are giving her extra liver which you know to be a potential
contributor to loose stools yet you continue to crate her, which for a
housetrained dog is a clear indication to NOT POOP.

IMO this set-up further encourages constipation through restriction of
movement, and of course if she cannot hold it she will foul her crate
which would not be appreciated by either of you. Can you somehow
provide her more room?

Chris O

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2a. Standard Poodle Puppy 9weeks
Posted by: "boyleygod" franvesey@aol.com boyleygod
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:42 am ((PDT))

Hi, I have just joined today and would like advise on raw feeding my
new pup. She has been reared on raw minced beef and wheetabix with
goats milk - two meals of each a day. Today I gave her a raw chicken
drumstick which she demolished very quickly leaving only a tiny piece
of bone - is this OK? A couple of friends seem to think its dangerous.
I have also tried her on very lightly steamed cod today and she doesn't
want to know.
All comments gratefully received.

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2b. Re: Standard Poodle Puppy 9weeks
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:03 am ((PDT))

"boyleygod" <franvesey@...> wrote:
>She has been reared on raw minced beef and wheetabix with
> goats milk - two meals of each a day. Today I gave her a raw chicken
> drumstick which she demolished very quickly leaving only a tiny piece
> of bone - is this OK?
*****
What's dangerous to your pup is mince and wheetabix and goat milk.
She's old enough to be eating real whole food now, and wheetabix was
never and never will be healthy for her. Please discontinue wheetabix
right away. Neither is dairy useful. Time to provide nutrition from
appropriate sources.

A chicken drum stick is an appropriate source. Demolishing it quickly
is a sure sign that your puppy is ready for real food. I suspect your
friends are not familiar with or comfortable with feeding a species
appropriate diet. Well, you can teach them as you learn.

I recommend you join Yahoogroups so you can access the Rawfeeding list
message archives. This will provide you with hours of reading and tons
of information on feeding puppies.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/join

Also check out http://rawfed.com and pay close attention to the Myth
section.

You may also wish to subscribe to RawPup
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> I have also tried her on very lightly steamed cod today and she
doesn't
> want to know.
*****
Fish is often an acquired taste. I suggest you not take her disdain
seriously, but rather focus on chicken, lamb, beef, pork, rabbit and
perhaps stinkier fish like salmon, herring, anchovy or mackerel. Cod
at best is pretty bland.

And when you do feed fish--if you do--please feed them raw, not cooked.
Chris O

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2c. Re: Standard Poodle Puppy 9weeks
Posted by: "goinggone99" goinggone99@yahoo.com goinggone99
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:15 am ((PDT))

Hello :) I got my latest pup at about 8 weeks.

First stop feeding wheetaix. Dogs don't needs grains/carbs. If what
you are feeding had a face at one time, you can feed it to your puppy.

Do not cook your dog's food at all, especially if there is bone
present. Cooking alters the makeup of otherwise digestible bone,
making it dangerous to feed. Raw bones = safe. Cooked = unsafe. It
doesn't matter if the food was lightly steamed. Please don't take any
chances.

You should also stop offering minced anything. Bones are nature's
toothbrushes for dogs as well as a calcium source. The only thing I
feed minced is organ meat. My older dog hates organs and this is the
only way he'll eat them. Puppies are easy to offer organs to. Their
exposure to raw anything is limited because of their age. Older dogs
usually have been exposed to kibble, making organ feeding more
difficult. The squishiness factor is also a turnoff for many adult
dogs who are started on raw at later age.

Make sure to feed a little bit of organ matter, such as livers and
kidneys. They are full of vitamins and minerals. Once a week is a
good enough frequency. They can be of any animal.

At first I did the math thing: .02 * expected adult weight. My puppy
would throw up if she was allowed to eat too much. I think at that
age (2 months), the whole self-regulating thing is not quite there
yet. Now that she is 5 months old, I let her eat as she pleases.
Yesterday I gave both my dogs, the other being 3 years old, a whole
picnic roast each. They ate until they were satisfied. The rest of
the roasts went back into the fridge to feed later today.

It's OK for some food to be left over. As long as you provide enough,
that is fine.

I thought bones were dangerous too. Just make sure to monitor the
feedings. Watch TV or tidy up something, but stay nearby. Remember,
dogs can also puke up and choke on commercial dry food. Always monitor!

Jamie Hinton

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3. Re: starting out
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:48 am ((PDT))

>>I have been feeding her on raw meat..Beef.chicken, chicken necks,bones with a little fat on them along with cooked vegies with rice and pasta.and dry food.<<

Joan -- you're going to hear from lots of folks, I'm sure. This list supports a more natural way of feeding, as wolves (I'm sure you know that our dogs are simply "house wolves" by DNA), so they have no need for veggies of any ilk. Ditto the rice and pasta. Dry food? Do you mean kibble? Most kibbles are grain-based, for which, again, dogs have no need.

>>I have bred and shown dogs for a few years and they also have been eating this diet including canned mackeral and sardines with no problems at all.odour.<<

I've bred and shown dogs for over 30 yrs., and thankfully, I found my deductive reasoning powers some 6 yrs. ago, and switched my dogs to prey model rawfeeding. I *do* occasionally feed canned mackeral, but it's rare. The diet of my dogs is based on meat, more meat, a little bone (with meat attached), some organs (beef heart, kidney, liver from various critters), and more meat. I do give eggs, raw, of course. I think you will find that while your dogs survive and appear to "do well" on this diet, their health would be much, much improved on a species appropriate raw diet. That means no kibble, grains, veggies, etc -- just meat, bones, and organs. That, truly, is what Nature intends dogs to eat. The further we stray from Nature's plan, the less worse our dogs' health will be in the long (and often, short) term.
This list is well stocked with information from folks who have fed raw much longer than I, and are well educated. You can learn a great deal here. I think that if Chase the Greyhound were my dog, I'd remove everything from her diet except one protein source (ie chicken *or* beef), start her simply and keep it at that for a couple of weeks, then slowly move on to other proteins, organs, etc.

>>What I would like to know is how to switch her over to the raw feeding,do I do it at once or wean her into it, can she have eggs cheese etc.<<

See above for my comments. BTW, I use cheese sometimes as training treats; they do not form any significant part of my dogs' diet, as they are, again, species inappropriate.

Good luck -- everyone here will help you as much as possible! We all have the true good health of dogs (ours and yours) at heart.

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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4a. Re: diabetes insipidus
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:53 am ((PDT))

Hi, Carolyn!
Um, its possible that your friend was confused with the info the vet
gave her on her dog's diagnosis. There is NO CURE, for Diabetes
Insipidus, there ARE TREATMENTS!
With a casual Google search, I turned up the info below, from this
link;
http://www.howtodothings.com/pets-and-animals/a3356-how-to-treat-canine-diabetes.html
http://tinyurl.com/35zs6e
quoted from the text-
"The second form of Canine Diabetes is Canine Diabetes Insipidus. This
rare disease is either Central Diabetes Insipidus or Nephrogenic
Diabetes Isipidus.

Central Diabetes Insipidus occurs when the pituitary gland does not
secrete enough vasopressine, an anti-diuretic hormone (ADH).

The most common causes include:

1. Congenital defect
2. Trauma or disease of the pituitary or hypothalamus

Nephrogenic Diabetes Insipidus occurs when the kidneys do not respond
to the ADH produced by the pituitary gland.The most common causes include:

1. A congenital defect
2. Prescribed drugs
3. Trauma or disease of the kidney

Symptoms of Canine Diabetes Insipidus are:

1. The dog has an increased thirst and urinates more.
2. The dog may not drink more, but may urinate more.
3. The dog's increased urination will likely be diluted and clear.

Diagnoses of Canine Diabetes Insipidus include:

1. Testing to exclude Cushing's disease, diabetes mellitus, renal
failure, liver disease, pyomera or other disorders
2. The dog may be given a sonogram to look at the pituitary gland

Treatment of Diabetes Insipidus includes:

1. Central Diabetes Insipidus is treated using desmopressin, also
known as DDAVP. This medication can be given as eye drops, nose drops,
or injected subcutaneously.
2. Nephrogenic Diabetes Insipidus is treated with prescribed
medications such as thiazide diuretics, chlorothiazide,
chloropropamide and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs. Salt is also
restricted."
more links; http://www.petdiabetes.org/diabetes_insipidus.htm
http://www.mirage-samoyeds.com/diabetes2.htm
http://www.vetinfo.com/dencyclopedia/dedibetinsp.html

If the vet did not do any testing to rule out other causes of this
dog's symptoms, provide treatment, and provide your friend with
written materials with explicit instructions and information on this
disease, he's sadly, maybe criminally, deficient.
HTH
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> I have a kibble feeding friend with a Sheltie that was just diagnosed
> with diabetes insipidus - the kind that there is no treatment for. Her
> vet has of course told her that there is no point in switching diets
> because nothing will help. I sent her a link to the K9kidneydiet list
> but since she doesn't think that a change in diet will help I doubt
> she'll even explore the possibility that it will (I have no idea what
> diets that list recommends but it's a start at least).
>
> Is there anyone on this list that has a dog with this condition and did
> you switch to a raw diet and see a difference?
>
> I've searched the archives and didn't find much other than "my dog
> might have it".
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Carolyn
>

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4b. Re: diabetes insipidus
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:03 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tobyfwest" <tobyfwest@...> wrote:
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> Her
> vet has of course told her that there is no point in switching diets
> because nothing will help.

*** We should all just roll over die right now. Why even try? Sheesh,
what an attitude.

> but since she doesn't think that a change in diet will help I doubt
> she'll even explore the possibility that it will

*** With an attitude like that the poor dog doesn't have a chance.
Switching to raw gives the dog the very best nutritional basis from
which to fight. It can never hurt to try, can it? And there is
treatment for the disease, I suggest she switch to raw and get a
second opinion. Diabetes insipidus is kind of hard to diagnose for
sure--sound more like her vet is a pessimist who always thinks the
worst, and perhaps that's rubbed off on your friend as well.

--Carrie

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4c. Re: diabetes insipidus
Posted by: "tobyfwest" tobyfwest@cox.net tobyfwest
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:33 am ((PDT))

Thanks for the link. I sent it to my friend. She didn't say the vet
offered any treatment at all. In fact, after 3 days at the vet the dog
is in pretty bad shape - worse then when she went in. I find it
strange that this not-to-common form of diabetes came on this suddenly
and caused the dog to go downhill so fast.

I have no doubt that this vet is probably incompetent. However, it's
hard to get this friend to listen to any advice...she knows it all and
will take this vets word as gospel. In most circumstances I need to
just shut my mouth with her but this is serious so I'd at least like to
try.

Carolyn

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Carolyn!
> Um, its possible that your friend was confused with the info the vet
> gave her on her dog's diagnosis. There is NO CURE, for Diabetes
> Insipidus, there ARE TREATMENTS!
> With a casual Google search, I turned up the info below, from this
> link;
> http://www.howtodothings.com/pets-and-animals/a3356-how-to-treat-
canine-diabetes.html
> http://tinyurl.com/35zs6e
>

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4d. Re: diabetes insipidus
Posted by: "tobyfwest" tobyfwest@cox.net tobyfwest
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:33 am ((PDT))

I'm trying at least to get her to see that there are some options and
I think a raw diet would be a good place to start. My friend is not
so much a pessimist but one of those people who blindly follow what a
vet tells them (I'm the total opposite and I'm trying to tread
carefully with her).

Carolyn

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cypressbunny" <cypressbunny@...>
wrote:
> *** With an attitude like that the poor dog doesn't have a chance.
> Switching to raw gives the dog the very best nutritional basis from
> which to fight. It can never hurt to try, can it? And there is
> treatment for the disease, I suggest she switch to raw and get a
> second opinion. Diabetes insipidus is kind of hard to diagnose for
> sure--sound more like her vet is a pessimist who always thinks the
> worst, and perhaps that's rubbed off on your friend as well.
>
> --Carrie
>

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5a. Starting out
Posted by: "Cris Milam" cmilam@comcast.net cris_milam
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:58 am ((PDT))

Welcome Joan,

You will find that there are lots of fellow greyhound owners on the list.
We have the best dogs in the world! Of course, it is fine with me if
everybody else also has the best dog in the world because every dog should
be.

Chase sounds to me like she has either an allergy or a mild dietetic
deficiency or both. As you are finding out, greys can be a bit different
than other dogs. Without subcutaneous fat to store the nasties, toxins and
allergens continue to circulate in a grey's bloodstream and can create more
problems than other breeds have.

You could try giving Chase a dose of Benedryl just to see if the problem is
an allergic reaction. If she gets better, it is time to get rid of the
allergen. If she has no change, a visit to the vet might be in order.
Please note that I am not suggesting you put Chase on more that one dose of
Benedryl; it is only for diagnostic purposes.

The easiest thing you can do is to go ahead and move her to a full raw diet
that has only one protein in it. Please ditch the veggies, rice, pasta and
dry food. She doesn't need them and they can cause havoc with an allergic
dog. I know she has been eating a variety of meats, but by feeding one at a
time you can find out if she has an allergy to one of them. She probably
doesn't, but being systematic from the beginning will keep you from having
to backtrack later if something comes up. You can begin immediately.

If you are feeding chicken you could feed eggs, but I would wait on the eggs
just because of possible intestinal upset. The cheese should be dropped.
She may be allergic to dairy even in small amounts. If you are using it in
small amounts as a training treat, you could reintroduce it later and find
out then if it is causing a problem.

As for the dietetic deficiency..... Well, before I knew better, my first
grey was kibble fed and daily doses of Missing Link were needed to keep
similar symptoms to Chase's at bay. My second grey is raw fed, and the
Missing Link is just taking up precious freezer space!

Hope to hear more form you and Chase.

Cris M and Duncan

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6a. Re: This is funny! Freecycle reply
Posted by: "john payne" brendajohn2823@yahoo.com brendajohn2823
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:30 am ((PDT))

nope, this place uses everything they have..they make a ground dog food with the scraps. I dont buy it, but the lady across the street does for her little dogs.

carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote: --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, john payne <brendajohn2823@...>
wrote:
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> i was @ the butchers one day talking to the lady who worked there,
that had just switched her dog to raw( after coaching from me).

I would think that the last people on earth you want to convince to
switch their dogs is the butcher or butcher employees. There goes a
good source of free or cheap meat. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6b. ADMIN/Re: This is funny! Freecycle reply
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:44 am ((PDT))

Okay, I think we've gotten as much chuckle out of Freecycle as we're
going to. Please move this thread to RawChat. Further postings to
rawfeeding on this topic are ill-advised.
Chris O

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7a. Re: Newbie Here
Posted by: "mob1043" ynotbeastar@marykay.com mob1043
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:31 am ((PDT))

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--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Andrea" <poketmouse45@...> wrote:
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> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mob1043" <ynotbeastar@> wrote:
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> > (it was our first raw feed) They had beef feet, lamb kidney,
> > chicken leg and a raw egg.
>
> Woah, umm....that's kind of a lot of variety for meal number one,
> don't be upset or worried if they have digestive upsets today, ok? I
> would say that with the kidney and egg you might be seeing some,
> well, less than solid stools, and you might be treated to some room
> clearing farts. (=
>
> Then again, some dogs have cast iron stomachs right out of the gate.
> If yours do seem to feel off today, you might want to ease up on the
> variety for a little while. Just chicken for a week with the organs
> that come inside the cavity. After they are good with that, you can
> add in egg and other stuff. As it is, my boys can only really
> tolerate one egg a day, and it always makes them gassy. It's like
> having a potpourri that smells like sulfur!
>
> With your picky bichon, it might take a day or two really get that
> you are feeding him food. Don't bother mixing the raw with ki**le
> more than once or twice, that's all he needs to understand that it's
> food. You don't want to encourage picky eating.
>
> Hope your day goes well today!
>
> Andrea
>

LOL - yeah they have had those gas problems in the past. Thank you for your advice.

They are running around like crazy today and don't seem to be upset, but I will definitely
follow your advice of one protein for the week.

This morning, prior to reading your post, I gave them all beef tongue. I laughed at the fact
they were "stealing" from one anothers bowls, that is something that never happened
before.

Again, I showed the bichon the tiny pieces of tongue he licked it and looked at me like he
thought I had gone mad, but he will adjust.

Thank you again.

Michele

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7b. Re: Newbie Here
Posted by: "mob1043" ynotbeastar@marykay.com mob1043
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:31 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kimberlykay1119" <kimberlykay119@...> wrote:
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> Michele - Do your dogs have loose stools this morning? :) Usually it
> is best to start with one protein source, most often it is chicken,
> and slowly add in the others. Beef can be very rich depending on the
> dog and organs the first day may give the runs. We raw fed for 2
> weeks before introducing about 2 ounces of organ meat and I have 75 lb
> dogs. FWIW
> Kimberly
>
> I think that is just about what I gave them tonight
> > (it was our first raw feed) They had beef feet, lamb kidney, chicken
> > leg and a raw egg.
>
Hi Kimberly.

After reading the posts re my variety, I will keep a close look on them to see how they are
doing with their stools.

I have not noticed any upset in them as of yet, but the large dogs are the ones that seem
to get loose with any variance on their diets. They are very active today and not lethargic
like they don't feel well, perhaps I will get lucky this time. I will definitely do the chicken
for the week.

Thank you for your input.

Michele

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8a. RMB's during a pregnancy
Posted by: "Perri Eskew" pdsq@sbcglobal.net sqbullys3
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:33 am ((PDT))

Hi group,
I am fairly new to the list and to raw feeding. I have a Bulldog that
is 2 weeks into her pregnancy. I have been hearing a lot about too
much calcium during pregnancy... my question is if she is already
eating a RMB diet do I stop feeding Bones or just no extra calcium?
I would appreciate any help on this.
Perri

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8b. Re: RMB's during a pregnancy
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:14 am ((PDT))

"I have a Bulldog that is 2 weeks into her pregnancy."

No, no changes, keep feeding 90% meat, 10% bone. Towards the end she will
most likely crave organs and refuse bone, this is to soften her stools prior
to whelping. They know what to eat/not eat.
--
Tina Berry
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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8c. Re: RMB's during a pregnancy
Posted by: "cypressbunny" cypressbunny@yahoo.com cypressbunny
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:29 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Tina Berry" <k9baron@...> wrote:
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> "I have a Bulldog that is 2 weeks into her pregnancy."
>
> Towards the end she will
> most likely crave organs and refuse bone, this is to soften her
stools prior
> to whelping. They know what to eat/not eat.

*** Usually they do. The last couple of weeks is the most important
time not to feed excess calcium, and if the bitch voluntarily
refuses bone during this time that's fine. Not only will that soften
stools a bit, but will also make sure the complex processes that
govern calcium deposition and uptake are in good working order. The
body is designed to store calcium in the bones when the diet has
plenty, and pull calcium from bones when the diet is deficient. Only
when there is an excess of calcium over a period of time will the
process downregulate. It is no big deal for most dogs, but increases
the chances of eclampsia in the whelping and nursing bitch.

--Carrie

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8d. Re: RMB's during a pregnancy
Posted by: "Laura Atkinson" llatkinson@gmail.com lauraatkinson2002
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:35 am ((PDT))

It also increases the chances of uterine inertia (weak or no
contractions) since calcium levels affect muscle contractibility.

On 6/29/07, cypressbunny <cypressbunny@yahoo.com> wrote:

> *** Usually they do. The last couple of weeks is the most important
> time not to feed excess calcium, and if the bitch voluntarily
> refuses bone during this time that's fine. Not only will that soften
> stools a bit, but will also make sure the complex processes that
> govern calcium deposition and uptake are in good working order. The
> body is designed to store calcium in the bones when the diet has
> plenty, and pull calcium from bones when the diet is deficient. Only
> when there is an excess of calcium over a period of time will the
> process downregulate. It is no big deal for most dogs, but increases
> the chances of eclampsia in the whelping and nursing bitch.
>
> --Carrie

--
Laura A
Kaos Siberians http://www.saveourdogs.net
"Is that soap they're brainwashing you with environmentally safe?"

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8e. Re: RMB's during a pregnancy
Posted by: "Perri Eskew" pdsq@sbcglobal.net sqbullys3
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:22 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Atkinson" <llatkinson@...>
wrote:
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> It also increases the chances of uterine inertia (weak or no
> contractions) since calcium levels affect muscle contractibility.
>
> On 6/29/07, cypressbunny <cypressbunny@...> wrote:
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> > *** Usually they do. The last couple of weeks is the most
important
> > time not to feed excess calcium, and if the bitch voluntarily
> > refuses bone during this time that's fine. Not only will that
soften
> > stools a bit, but will also make sure the complex processes that
> > govern calcium deposition and uptake are in good working order.
The
> > body is designed to store calcium in the bones when the diet has
> > plenty, and pull calcium from bones when the diet is deficient.
Only
> > when there is an excess of calcium over a period of time will the
> > process downregulate. It is no big deal for most dogs, but
increases
> > the chances of eclampsia in the whelping and nursing bitch.
> >
> > --Carrie
>
>
> --
> Laura A
> Kaos Siberians http://www.saveourdogs.net
> "Is that soap they're brainwashing you with environmentally safe?"
>I want to Thank everyone that responded to my post.
I will continue to feed the way I am feeding until the last part of
her pregnancy and then will cut back the bone.
This has really helped.

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9.1. Re: Eating grass
Posted by: "Evie" archie.willow@yahoo.co.uk archie.willow
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 9:34 am ((PDT))

Idle curiosity has me pondering dogs eating grass.
When I first got my Lurcher she was on crappy tinned dog food. I
canged her over to one of the holistic kibbles. She went through a
kind of a detox for about two months, the whole time she grazed and
grazed. Then, as her coat, general health etc improved, the grass
eating stopped. Haven't seen her do it since.... Untill I changed her
over to raw.

She's been having raw for about a month now and is always grazing when
she's out for her offlead time (inbetween racing around). I'm guessing
this will calm down eventually.

Just wanted to post this since the timing of her grazing seems to be
linked with changes to better quality food. Conicidence, maybe. But I
do't feel that's so. Just some food for thought. (Excuse the pun!)

Evie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "chele519" <chele519@...> wrote:
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> One of my dogs is always eating grass. She stands at the fence and
> munches it like a cow. She doesn't throw up after eating it so I
don't
> think it is for that reason. Just wondering why she does this so much
> if they have no need for veggies.
> Michele
>

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9.2. Re: Eating grass
Posted by: "pitbullanholder" pitbullanholder@yahoo.com pitbullanholder
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:13 am ((PDT))

Evie,
I have noticed the same with my furkids...they were eating a
relatively middle of the line kibble and grass grazing was part of our
outdoor time...changed them to a high quality kibble it seemed to
stop. Started on raw about 3 weeks ago and had grazing for about the
first 2 weeks and now it seems to be slowing down.

Angela

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10. Trouble with my Mom's Schnauzer
Posted by: "Liz" tvliz24@izoom.net liztv2456
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:22 pm ((PDT))

I started my Mom's dog on raw feeding when I was babysitting him for
3 weeks. (About 2 months ago)

After she brought him home she continued with the cornish game hen
sections and some chicken liver. She said he would hesitate and not
eat, then she had to sear it before he would eat. Lots of coaxing.

She said he started getting runny poop (carmel colored liquidy) and
she switched him to cooked hamburger and chicken breasts (without me
knowing this) and he would eat that. He had kibble available to
nibble, but didn't eat much of that.

He has gotten thin and is vommiting. He eats lots of grass and
vomits.

They are staying with me right now for a few days and we need some
advice. He only wants to eat cooked food.

Any suggestions would be helpful. He's a mini schnauzer, 10 years
old, about 25 lbs. (he was 32 lbs before I swithched his diet, 29
lbs. after 3 weeks with me, and now he is less)

Thanks,
Liz T
MN

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11.1. Re: itchy dog
Posted by: "Laurie" lhsearch1@verizon.net lauriescritters
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:22 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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> Um, exactly what are you feeding, how much and when?

I generally feed her chicken parts, pork, fish (weekly), small amounts
of liver, kidney, heart, occasionally egg. She eats late in the
afternoon daily. We have no new carpet or other changes in the house;
she's been itchy since she was a pup and is now 5 1/2 yrs. old. It's
all year long, not seasonal. Thanks in advance for your help!

Laurie

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12. Kidney and heart
Posted by: "raffiangel2" snazgal@aol.com raffiangel2
Date: Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:22 pm ((PDT))

What would I do without this group? I'm so thankful...
I don't post much, because I generally get all my ?'s answered by all
of you...but I have one now.
I just bought 6 beef hearts and 6 beef kidneys....the hearts are normal
size but I was shocked at the size of the kidneys!!! I've never bought
kidney before nor served it...anyway
how much kidney and heart is adviseable to serve? will it act like
meat without bone and cause some loose poops?? If so, I'll just make
the rest of the meal higher in bone...
Suggestions please?
I just got home from a business trip and want a super nice dinner for
my babies..who were with a wonderful sitter while I was away...darn I
missed them....can't wait till I get them later and soften my guilt for
leaving them by giving them a special meal lol

Thanks for the help and suggestions

Phyllis in South Florida

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