[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11748

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Feeding a whole turkey to a small dog
From: chele519
1b. Re: Feeding a whole turkey to a small dog
From: Giselle

2.1. Re: itchy dog
From: Patrice Quinn
2.2. Re: itchy dog
From: Laurie
2.3. ADMIN/Re: itchy dog
From: costrowski75

3a. Re: This is funny! Freecycle reply
From: Patrice Quinn

4a. Re: different cuts of ribs - and lamb/goat cuts
From: costrowski75
4b. Re: different cuts of ribs - and lamb/goat cuts
From: costrowski75
4c. Re: different cuts of ribs - and lamb/goat cuts
From: Bearhair
4d. Re: different cuts of ribs - and lamb/goat cuts
From: costrowski75

5a. chicken tumors :(
From: jrjjlew
5b. Re: chicken tumors :(
From: Bearhair

6. Suppliers In Colorado
From: Jenna Mahoney

7a. Re: Just starting out
From: Yasuko herron
7b. Re: Just starting out
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

8a. Re: Very sick puppy
From: chamelett2003
8b. Re: Very sick puppy
From: tottime47

9a. overweight dog
From: mrsdog_lover
9b. Re: overweight dog
From: Elizabeth

10a. .........Re: Ok, no more talk about bloat, how about Mountain Oyster
From: tottime47
10b. .........Re: Ok, no more talk about bloat, how about Mountain Oyster
From: costrowski75

11a. Re: The hurls
From: tottime47

12. Our 2nd week on raw. Refusing turkey please help
From: Shireen

13. What is too small of a bone for a large puppy
From: Kathy McCusker

14a. Re: Diarrhea in Newbie Great Dane.
From: Katie Baker

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1a. Re: Feeding a whole turkey to a small dog
Posted by: "chele519" chele519@yahoo.com chele519
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 6:56 am ((PDT))

Thanks. That's what I'm going to try. Just not sure how easily I can
cut thru those bones. I got a 2nd turkey last year from someone else
so once the first one if thawed and repackaged, I'll do the same with
the next one.
Michele

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "sd.little" <sd.little@...> wrote:
>
> Michele,
> I would chop the turkey up into chunks, package each one
individually
> and then re-freeze them to use at a later date.
>
> Cheers, Debra
>

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1b. Re: Feeding a whole turkey to a small dog
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 9:34 am ((PDT))

Hi, Michele!
Its *much* easier to cut through at the joints. Bend a leg or wing
joint as far as it will go in the opposite direction it goes easily,
then cut into the center of the joint where the gristle is weakest and
cut through. Use heavy kitchen shears to cut through the center of the
breast on one side of the keel. Then pull each breast half away from
the back and cut through the easier rib bones until its separate from
the back. A serrated knife or the kitchen shears will cut up the
breast into smaller pieces pretty easily. You can bend the back in
half by holding it down on the cutting board with the skin side up and
breaking it in half.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Thanks. That's what I'm going to try. Just not sure how easily I can
> cut thru those bones. I got a 2nd turkey last year from someone else
> so once the first one if thawed and repackaged, I'll do the same with
> the next one.
> Michele

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2.1. Re: itchy dog
Posted by: "Patrice Quinn" patrice@patricequinn.com patrice_quinn
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 6:57 am ((PDT))

Laurie, Please forgive if someone else has already answered this for you but
your problem sounds similar to mine and I believe I have found a solution.
I did a LOT of Internet research on my own after spending about $1,000 in
vet bills with no diagnosis, all the while he's giving our dachsie
antibiotics, steroids, etc. And she is getting more and more itchy all over
her body, then her skin started turning black, etc. I found a site www
nzymes.com which described a number of dogs with similar symptoms and
experiences as ours. It (and other sites I found) explained that the
problem is systemic yeast infection and the cause is basically commercial
dog foods, antibiotics, steroids, etc. Three days ago, I purchased a "yeast
kit" for $110. It arrived in one day and I started her immediately (some of
it is oral, some topical). Within a day of starting the topical solution on
her, Sophie's itching seems to have calmed down some. So, here's hoping this
is the answer to her year-long misery.

I also just started our three dogs on raw just a few days ago. They've
never eaten anthing raw in their 10, 12 and 14 year lives and they didn't
even sniff twice before chomping down their first meal! I was so shocked.
They took to it like a duck to water and so far, no negative reactions,
perhaps because we took them all off commercial six months ago and I have
been cooking up a concoction of meat, rice and veggies--what a hassle!
Feeding them raw just makes so much sense to me even though our vet
discouraged it.

I hope this will be helpful in some way. Good luck with your PWD. Let me
know how it goes! Patrice

-------Original Message-------

From: Laurie
Date: 6/29/2007 7:03:24 AM
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rawfeeding] itchy dog

My Portguese water dog has been on raw feeding for two months and has
no improvement with her itchy skin. I'm at my wits end trying to
figure out how to get her comfortable. She's been through ALL the
treatments the vet had to offer (allergy shots, shampoos, steroids,
antihistimines, etc) and I thought the raw diet would be the answer.
Does anyone have any experience they can share with me? If it matters,
her allergy tests showed she is allergic to grass, mold, sycamores,
ants, fleas. Obviously, keeping her indoors for the rest of her life
is not an option!

Thanks for any help.

Laurie

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2.2. Re: itchy dog
Posted by: "Laurie" lhsearch1@verizon.net lauriescritters
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 7:41 am ((PDT))

Hi Patrice,

Thank you so much for your response. Please tell me more about this
yeast kit. Where can I buy it? Who makes it? I live in NJ. Thanks
again!!

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Patrice Quinn" <patrice@...>
wrote:
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> Laurie, Please forgive if someone else has already answered this
for you but
> your problem sounds similar to mine and I believe I have found a
solution.
> I did a LOT of Internet research on my own after spending about
$1,000 in
> vet bills with no diagnosis, all the while he's giving our dachsie
> antibiotics, steroids, etc. And she is getting more and more itchy
all over
> her body, then her skin started turning black, etc. I found a site
www
> nzymes.com which described a number of dogs with similar symptoms
and
> experiences as ours. It (and other sites I found) explained that
the
> problem is systemic yeast infection and the cause is basically
commercial
> dog foods, antibiotics, steroids, etc. Three days ago, I purchased
a "yeast
> kit" for $110. It arrived in one day and I started her immediately
(some of
> it is oral, some topical). Within a day of starting the topical
solution on
> her, Sophie's itching seems to have calmed down some. So, here's
hoping this
> is the answer to her year-long misery.
>
> I also just started our three dogs on raw just a few days ago.
They've
> never eaten anthing raw in their 10, 12 and 14 year lives and they
didn't
> even sniff twice before chomping down their first meal! I was so
shocked.
> They took to it like a duck to water and so far, no negative
reactions,
> perhaps because we took them all off commercial six months ago and
I have
> been cooking up a concoction of meat, rice and veggies--what a
hassle!
> Feeding them raw just makes so much sense to me even though our vet
> discouraged it.
>
> I hope this will be helpful in some way. Good luck with your PWD.
Let me
> know how it goes! Patrice
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Laurie
> Date: 6/29/2007 7:03:24 AM
> To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [rawfeeding] itchy dog
>
> My Portguese water dog has been on raw feeding for two months and
has
> no improvement with her itchy skin. I'm at my wits end trying to
> figure out how to get her comfortable. She's been through ALL the
> treatments the vet had to offer (allergy shots, shampoos, steroids,
> antihistimines, etc) and I thought the raw diet would be the
answer.
> Does anyone have any experience they can share with me? If it
matters,
> her allergy tests showed she is allergic to grass, mold, sycamores,
> ants, fleas. Obviously, keeping her indoors for the rest of her
life
> is not an option!
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Laurie
>
>
>
>
>
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>

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2.3. ADMIN/Re: itchy dog
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 8:16 am ((PDT))

If this thread is going to go medicine instead of nutrition, it should
move promptly to RawChat or DogHealth or a variety of alternate
medicine lists or go private.

Thank you.
Chris O
Moderation Team

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3a. Re: This is funny! Freecycle reply
Posted by: "Patrice Quinn" patrice@patricequinn.com patrice_quinn
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 6:57 am ((PDT))

Thanks for that laugh, Michele. My savage carnivores are doing the same as
yours, only with better breath than they've ever had before and no further
need for teeth cleanings under anesthesia, yea! Patrice "dachsiegirl" Quinn

-------Original Message-------

From: chele519
Date: 6/29/2007 7:39:04 AM
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rawfeeding] Re: This is funny! Freecycle reply

That's why I had to post it. I got it right before bed and I went in
and the savages were sprawled out on the bed with the AC blowing on them.
Michele

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Nathalie Poulin
<poulin_nathalie@...> wrote:
>
> That is the funniest thing EVER!!!
> HOLY UNINFORMED!!!
> That's fine, they can have a kibble-fed dog and pay
> for all the teeth cleaning and vet bills!
>
> Nathalie

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4a. Re: different cuts of ribs - and lamb/goat cuts
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 8:05 am ((PDT))

Bearhair <bearhair@...> wrote:
> Note that this site is in Australia and some cuts may not be allowed
in the
> US by the USDA.
*****
Much of the lamb and most of the goat available retail or through meat
wholesalers in the US comes from Australia or NZ. I'd be surprised if
the 6-cut goat isn't shipped that way from Australia.
Chris O

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4b. Re: different cuts of ribs - and lamb/goat cuts
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 8:11 am ((PDT))

"Chrissy" <hylesrayburn@...> wrote:
What is a 6 way cut?
*****
Not 6-way, 6-cut.

Typically it's a dressed carcass (no head, no legs below the knee or
hock) that's been cut behind the front legs, then again in front of the
back legs, and split down the spine, producing six pieces of goat.
Chris O

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4c. Re: different cuts of ribs - and lamb/goat cuts
Posted by: "Bearhair" bearhair@spamcop.net bearhair61
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 9:25 am ((PDT))

Chris O wrote:

>Much of the lamb and most of the goat available retail or through meat
>wholesalers in the US comes from Australia or NZ. I'd be surprised if
>the 6-cut goat isn't shipped that way from Australia.

The site includes brain, lung, and raw unscalded tripe for both goat and
sheep, so I'm pretty sure someone is excluding those along the way.

Lora
Evanston, IL

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4d. Re: different cuts of ribs - and lamb/goat cuts
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 9:32 am ((PDT))

Bearhair <bearhair@...> wrote:
>> The site includes brain, lung, and raw unscalded tripe for both goat
and
> sheep, so I'm pretty sure someone is excluding those along the way.
*****
No doubt.
It's not the US end of the pipeline doing the excluding though, I don't
think. At least not the pipeline that delivers the product called six-
cut goat.
Chris O

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5a. chicken tumors :(
Posted by: "jrjjlew" jnrw@truevine.net jrjjlew
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 9:18 am ((PDT))

Ok, this is really disgusting but I have to ask. New to raw feeding
this year, I have been trying to get used to feeding my dog well on
whole prey. I have recently found huge tumors in at least two hens of
four culled from an older home raised laying flock. YUK! How common is
this?? Does anybody know? I am totally ready to go vegetarian myself,
at this point, but for my dog this is not an option. How can I know
that what he eats is pure and healthy and good for him? I thought home
raised would be a healthy alternative to grocery store meat. Am I wrong?
Is the meat ok? I threw it out. It makes me sick to think of it.
~robin

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5b. Re: chicken tumors :(
Posted by: "Bearhair" bearhair@spamcop.net bearhair61
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 10:45 am ((PDT))

robin wrote:

> . . . I have recently found huge tumors in at least two hens of
>four culled from an older home raised laying flock. YUK! How common is
>this?? Does anybody know? I am totally ready to go vegetarian myself,
>at this point, but for my dog this is not an option. How can I know
>that what he eats is pure and healthy and good for him? I thought home
>raised would be a healthy alternative to grocery store meat. Am I wrong?
>Is the meat ok? I threw it out. It makes me sick to think of it.

In the USDA Entry Training Manual for a Public Health Veterinarian: Animal
Disposition/Food Safety: Post-mortem Inspection Chapter, page 17 covers
leukotic tumors and page 19 covers other tumors. Evidence of a leukotic tumor
results in the condemnation of the entire carcass, which evidence of a
non-leukotic tumor results in: one tumor - trim and pass; two or more tumors
- condemn.
>http://www.fsis.usda.gov/PDF/PHVg-Post-mortem_Inspection.pdf

Tumors in older animals may or may not indicate a larger gross disease. It
depends on whether (a) it is due to the a leukotic virus and (b) whether it
has metastasized. You'll never know whether the grocery store chicken you buy
has had a single localized tumor trimmed prior to packaging.

Lora
Evanston, IL

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6. Suppliers In Colorado
Posted by: "Jenna Mahoney" hav.lover@yahoo.com hav.lover
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 9:19 am ((PDT))

Does any one in the Denver area have a good place to buy meats, bones
and organs?
Jenna

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7a. Re: Just starting out
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 9:26 am ((PDT))

>Just really found out this am that Jagger is not fond of meat without bones in it.

Did you try warming up the meat in zipbag by soaking in warm water? I hear that warm temperature brings more smell of the meat and intice the dog to eat food.

Did you try partially sear the meat?You could less searing as time goes by but I read a lot in this list many people succeeded doing so.

He may need adjusting time maybe but over the time,he would adjust well i think. It is just a texture thing and smell dog may not getting used to. Give him some time and he will do fine.

> Stuck his nose up to fish fillets.

You could try the same for fish too like meat; soak in warm water to bring temperature up and if that did not work,you could try feeding canned fish;canned salmon,canned mackerral,canned sardine,you need to pour the juice out from can and has to be fish in water,not in oil.Those cans have bone in too and not hard bones soyou do not have to worry about bones and most dog likes mackerral etc in can. It is also convenient when you forgot to thaw meat.Or, keep offering same fish until he eats it,no snack not nothing till next meal.That works for meat too,I hear.

>Not sure exactly about ribs. they scare me,
I have fed Beef short Rib,Beef neckbones so far other than poultry. My dog is Corgi 30lb and,she spend about 90 minutes but she consumed all. Oh,and I got goat neckbones the other day and when I was bagging,I gave her sample to her and she ate all bones and meat too.So,I assume she can consume goat bone as well.

When I write like this,it looks like I am feeding bone a lot but not so much,I give her meaty meal too. Only bones I avoid is leg bones.

I was scare to feed bone too when I first started even chicken breast with rib,but,I am feeling comfortable now.If she could not consume bone,she leave the bone and walk out so,I just let her and supervise her all time. When I gave her Beef Rib for the first time,she walked away from bone after some try but second time I fed her,she was more motivated to try and it took 90 min and was looong meal time but she ate all. It may depends on indivisual dog whether or not dog consume bone or not but you could try feeding bone and make sure you supervise and if you felt so uncomfortable,you could get the bone away from dog I think.
Let him try and see how he does.

And,do not try feed the meat holding meat to him.If you do so,you may end up holding all meal you give to him. Let him figure out how to tackle the meal.

Good luck.

yassy

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7b. Re: Just starting out
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 10:45 am ((PDT))

In a message dated 7/1/2007 8:53:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com writes:

Just really found out this am that Jagger is not fond of meat
without bones in it. He will eat chicken thighs and breats as long
as they have skin and bones. He will eat steak without bones, go
figure. Stuck his nose up to fish fillets. Not sure exactly about
ribs. They scare me, more bone than meat and some have small bones.
Haven't tried other meats yet. Also he won't always take the meat
out of the dish himself, he waits for me to hand it to him.

****
I don't have dogs (have cats) but it sounds to me like Jagger is due for a
fast until he is hungry enough he really wants whatever you offer and however
you offer it.

When my cats were first starting on raw, two went on into eating two-oz.
chunks of chicken in just a few days but the third one for several meals managed
me nicely into holding her piece for her while she figured out just how to
chew on it. She will STILL try for that, picking her meat up and walking
around, wailing for help--but when I ignore her, she sits down, cocks her head,
and puts her back teeth to the meat just fine.

Whenever I feed something bony like a chicken wing or piece of neck, I add
some meat to it--and all three cats always grab the bony piece first.

Lynda

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8a. Re: Very sick puppy
Posted by: "chamelett2003" chamelett2003@yahoo.com chamelett2003
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 9:58 am ((PDT))

-Thank you Giselle,
I will try almost any thing to get her well. I was wondering if the lab
is just not finding the parasite if she has one. The vet is treating it
more like a virus that has now gone on to long and could or he says
will become a bacterial infection.
I realise Antibiotics can cause more GI up set and diarrhea. What is
one to do?
I found out the hard way that Chihuahua's are at great risk for
hypoglycemia when they get sick. I supose like a human baby because of
their size hypoglycemia and dehydration can come on fast. It is also
difficult to dose anything as she weighs less than 5lbs. At least her
appetite is back now. That is a major improvement. Will look for SEBP.
Thanks,
Jill

In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Giselle" <megan.giselle@...> wrote:
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> Hi, Jill!
> It sounds like she has had some sort of parasite or infection that the
> vet isn't finding. Sometimes, even after the initial catalyzing factor
> is gone, once a dog's digestive system is irritated, it can stay that
> way until the cycle is interrupted.
>

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8b. Re: Very sick puppy
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 10:50 am ((PDT))

Hi Jill,

Boy, she's been through a lot.........

Bea's advice is the best.......Get that slippery elm bark (health
food stores carry it) and cut out the cooked foods.
Get a good chicken, not enhanced with anything......check the label.
You usually have to get one at a butcher shop.

I would start putting a little slippery elm on the small pieces of
chicken and feeding every few hours as you are doing now..........

Cooked foods of any kind are harder for a dog to digest and
especially sick ones.

Chicken is the easiest to digest..

Keep in mind any kind of antibotic is really hard on their
stomch too......

Let us know how it's going........

Carol & Charkee

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "chamelett2003"
<chamelett2003@...> wrote:

I cooked some chicken as she still
> refused to eat the baby food. She wanted more and more chicken but
I
> would only give her a small piece about every hour for the next
four
> hours. Her stools got more contisantcy to them to the point of
being
> just mushy. Now today Saturday she ate some more cooked chicken but
> this afternoon She is squirting green liquid again. DARN.
> Jill
>

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9a. overweight dog
Posted by: "mrsdog_lover" mrsdog_lover@yahoo.com mrsdog_lover
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 10:04 am ((PDT))

I have found an abbandoned overweight female mongrel that is so sweet.
I have just started her on rawfeeding and she is so happy now. It's
just 1 week now, but I'm asking myself If I am giving her the righi
quantity to return her in shape and health. How do I calculate the
amount of bone/meat to give her if I don't know what she should weight.
She now weights; to my horror,15kg!! She's a medium dog, like a cocker
spaniel i suppose. Maybe her ideal weight should be 10kg??
Thankyou so much...
Marisa.

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9b. Re: overweight dog
Posted by: "Elizabeth" rainsou1@yahoo.com rainsou1
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 10:45 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mrsdog_lover" <mrsdog_lover@...>
wrote:
>
> I have found an abbandoned overweight female mongrel that is so sweet.
> I have just started her on rawfeeding and she is so happy now. It's
> just 1 week now, but I'm asking myself If I am giving her the righi
> quantity to return her in shape and health. How do I calculate the
> amount of bone/meat to give her if I don't know what she should weight.
> She now weights; to my horror,15kg!! She's a medium dog, like a cocker
> spaniel i suppose. Maybe her ideal weight should be 10kg??
> Thankyou so much...
> Marisa.
>
Marisa,
Try feeding the amount of food appropriate for the weight you want her
to be. If you want her to weigh 10kgs try feeding the amount necessary
for that weight. Or, feed 1.5% of your dog's current body weight.
-Liz

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10a. .........Re: Ok, no more talk about bloat, how about Mountain Oyster
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 10:45 am ((PDT))

Hi Chris O,

Hey, I can understand why people here are not into raw feeding, lol..
Middle of the Midwest and the meat prices are out of sight......
Cheapest scores I've found so far are whole chickens for 1.29 lb in bulk
and Beef heart for 99 cents a lb.

Free Range Buffalo for $3.69 sounds very good to me.....

I'm just thankful I have a small dog, lol, don't know that a big
one wouldn't eat me out of house & home... :)

Got some goat & lamb ordered, if it ever arrives.......

Carol & Charkee

yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> *****
> Holy smackdown.
> Is it possible that buffalo meat is worth 22 bucks a pound? I'll bet
> you could get venison for less than that--not to mention some very
nice
> goat and lamb.
>
> Wowsa!
> Chris O
>

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10b. .........Re: Ok, no more talk about bloat, how about Mountain Oyster
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 11:05 am ((PDT))

"tottime47" <tottime@...> wrote:
>>
> Hey, I can understand why people here are not into raw feeding,
lol..
> Middle of the Midwest and the meat prices are out of sight......
> Cheapest scores I've found so far are whole chickens for 1.29 lb in
bulk
> and Beef heart for 99 cents a lb.
*****
Here in Saccatomatoes, whole chickens are 1.59/lb regular price and
somewhat under a dollar/pound on sale (used to be .59/lb on sale was
normal, now .79/pound on sale is a deal). Bulk chickens from a
wholesaler maybe a buck a pound; from a supermarket, no break on
price.

Best price on beef heart is .95/lb and that's bulk; from a grocer
it's more like 1.50/lb. Standard feedlot beef, nothing special.

The bargains I get here in northern California are through group
buys, nagging the wholesaler incessantly, and just plain being in the
right place at the right time. I daresay circumstances are the same
throughout the country.

> Free Range Buffalo for $3.69 sounds very good to me.....
*****
It sounds great for free range buffalo and heckuva lot more
realisitic than 22 freakin' dollars a pound(!), but I won't pay
$3.69/lb for dog meat. Since for less than that I can get whole
processed goat or lamb, there's no choice for me: go with whole foods
when possible.

> > I'm just thankful I have a small dog, lol, don't know that a big
> one wouldn't eat me out of house & home... :)
*****
I manage to get by feeding four dogs and a cat, they don't eat
brilliantly but they eat well. It's not what you buy, it's how you
buy.

There are people on this list who pay less than I do to feed more
dogs than I have. If there is no limit to ones' creativity, energy
and fortitude, there is no limit to what one can feed.
Chris O

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11a. Re: The hurls
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 10:45 am ((PDT))

Hi Michele,

What is in what he's throwing up? Pieces of bone or complete meals?

Gizzards are considered a low value muscle meat from what I have read \
so far.

I wouldn't introduce organs until you figure out the hurling part.....

Carol & Charkee

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "mob1043" <ynotbeastar@...> wrote:
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> It seems my Great Pyrenees, is tossing up his food. I feed him about
2
> 1/2 lbs per day once am & once pm. I am giving chicken for the
week.
> I have been giving only 10% organ (gizzards) along with drumsticks or
> breast to make up his meal.

> Thank you,
> Michele

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12. Our 2nd week on raw. Refusing turkey please help
Posted by: "Shireen" quiltsnmosaics@yahoo.com quiltsnmosaics
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 11:45 am ((PDT))

My 50# shephard mix was doing ok on chicken quarters last week. I had
to cut it up into chunks but she had no complaints eating. This week I
bought a whole turkey and she has turned up her nose since yesterday.
She will lick the pieces but is refusing to eat them. I did not think
there's that much of a difference between chicken and turkey flavor
IMO, then again I'm not the dog's tastebuds or nose. My husband is
ready to go back to k!bb!e if she won't eat the turkey.The chicken is
all gone and not allowed to go spend another penny unless she eats what
we already bought to feed her for the week. She seems really finicky
about what she's eating. I even smothered the turkey in an egg thinking
it'll get her to dig in but she just licks. We went for a long walk to
get hungrier, nose still turned up. Anything else I can do other than
starve her for another day?

Shireen

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13. What is too small of a bone for a large puppy
Posted by: "Kathy McCusker" kmccusker72@hotmail.com kathym14456
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 12:21 pm ((PDT))

I just picked up a veal breast and beef ribs with extra meat. Are the
bones in these meats too small for him? What size is considered too
small or too big for a 8 month old mastiff? Kathy

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14a. Re: Diarrhea in Newbie Great Dane.
Posted by: "Katie Baker" declansmama@gmail.com katherinebaker2
Date: Sun Jul 1, 2007 12:21 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Nathalie Poulin
<poulin_nathalie@...> wrote:
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> Also, (in my opinion) it's completely unfair for your
> mother to come over and feed her kibble when that's
> obviously not what you're feeding her. It's hard
> enough to deal with a major food change, but to have
> your mother feed her kibble right when you're changing
> her over is not good for anyone, especially the dog.

Just to clarify, she didn't feed the dog out of spite. She showed up
while we were at work and cleaned and refilled the dogs water and
kibble because she hadn't been told specifically not to. Her animals
have those feeders that have food always available. We have talked
to her about it, and while she doesn't agree, she's agreed to not
interfere. And there's no kibble to feed. :-)

We'll continue on with the chicken and see how Fable does. I forgot
to mention she's not house trained, so the diarrhea is a real
problem and it's just not fair to expect someone with the runs to
hold it. Potty training seems to be clicking for her though. We;ll
keep you guys updated.

Thanks for all your help!
-Katie and Fable

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