Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 11764

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Topics in this digest:

1a. menus for pups, pregnant bitches, and everyone else
From: Rebecca Little
1b. Re: menus for pups, pregnant bitches, and everyone else
From: bluegracepwd

2a. Re: Mix Meat
From: heidilambeth
2b. Re: Mix Meat
From: bluegracepwd
2c. Re: Mix Meat
From: costrowski75
2d. Re: Mix Meat
From: JoAnn Gongos
2e. Mix Meat
From: rbmc1231937

3a. Feeded Fish
From: K9FindM@aol.com
3b. Re: Feeded Fish
From: bluegracepwd
3c. Re: Feeded Fish
From: costrowski75
3d. Re: Feeded Fish
From: Yasuko herron
3e. Re: Feeded Fish
From: costrowski75
3f. Re: Feeded Fish
From: Yasuko herron
3g. Re: Feeded Fish
From: costrowski75

4a. Re: sources?
From: antarpremal
4b. Re: sources?
From: costrowski75
4c. Re: sources?
From: Yasuko herron

5a. I Finally Took The Plunge -Question
From: Maiakitas@aol.com
5b. Re: I Finally Took The Plunge -Question
From: Mike Frantzen

6a. I think I've been feeding WAYtoo much....
From: kaebruney
6b. Re: I think I've been feeding WAYtoo much....
From: costrowski75

7a. question about dog killing and eating a baby robin
From: reesecup35
7b. Re: question about dog killing and eating a baby robin
From: john payne

8a. Re: deworming
From: Tina Berry
8b. ADMIN/Re: deworming
From: costrowski75

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1a. menus for pups, pregnant bitches, and everyone else
Posted by: "Rebecca Little" pbgs@delhitel.net canucme278
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 6:34 am ((PDT))

Can some one please post or email me private with some menus that are suitable for puppies(age ranges would be good too), pregnant bitches, and everyone else in between. I just want to make sure I am doing this right!!! I have access to lots of beef scraps, chicken backs and quarters, turkey necks, chicken necks, organ meats of all sorts(beef, pork, chicken), duck carcass', pork necks, rabbit, fish(jack mackeral or salmon canned)and lamb necks. Also could someone PLEASE tell me are hearts organs or muscle??? Also my guys LOVE chicken hearts how often is it ok to give them. They must be the hershey kisses of the doggy world because they will do anything for them!
Rebecca Little
Peakes Brook German Shepherds
http://sites.centralpets.com/mammals/peakesbrookgsd/index.html

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1b. Re: menus for pups, pregnant bitches, and everyone else
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:05 am ((PDT))

Hi Rebecca,

the key to feeding dogs correctly, whether they are working dogs,
pregnant bitches, or mums and pups is to ensure a good range of food
sources, and whole prey whenever you can get it.

check out my page here:

http://www.bluegrace.com/rawpwd.html

which also includes pictures of
what the dogs and pups eat.

Sounds like you've got some good sources there already.

cheers,

Jane

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2a. Re: Mix Meat
Posted by: "heidilambeth" heidilambeth@yahoo.com heidilambeth
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 6:49 am ((PDT))

Is it OK to mix Meat, like chicken and beef in one feeding, ore do I
> feed only chicken , and then the nechst meal only beef and so on.??
> Barb &Reily
>

I mix meat all the time, but if you're a new raw feeder, then wait
until your dog(s) have adjusted completely, otherwise it can cause an
upset stomach.

Heidi

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2b. Re: Mix Meat
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:05 am ((PDT))

Hi Barb,

I will often feed 3-4 different meat sources at a meal. eg: horse
liver + beef heart + chicken pieces + fish.

Although at the moment, I'm running a bit short on food, so I'm off
tomorrow to see if I can us some rabbits for the dogs!

cheers,

Jane

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2c. Re: Mix Meat
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:11 am ((PDT))

"rbmc1231937" <rbmc1231937@...> wrote:
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> Is it OK to mix Meat, like chicken and beef in one feeding,
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This is a perfectly fine practice.

It is not uncommon for my dogs to get "leftover" meals that may include
beef liver, beef trim, venison trim, chicken backs and perhaps even pig
spleen. They do fine on such meals.

The only potential downside to such meals is if your dog responds badly
to the meal you won't necessarily know which ingredient was the cause.
So you might not want to try this with new, untested meats. OTOH, if
you know your dog is rock solid, just go for it.
Chris O

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2d. Re: Mix Meat
Posted by: "JoAnn Gongos" jogongos@adelphia.net joanngongos
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:33 am ((PDT))

I have a good source for free venison , it comes either ground, steaks or roasts with no bones. When I feed the venison I combine it with turkey or chicken backs.

joAnn

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2e. Mix Meat
Posted by: "rbmc1231937" rbmc1231937@yahoo.com rbmc1231937
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 8:20 am ((PDT))

Thank you ,all you wonderful people ChrisO, Jo Ann ,Heidi &Jane for
taking you're time to answer my mix Meat question . Barb&Reily

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3a. Feeded Fish
Posted by: "K9FindM@aol.com" K9FindM@aol.com bctwister03
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:00 am ((PDT))

Hi - I am new to the group and see that fish is on the menu for many raw
feeders. I feed raw, but have only on occasion fed fish. To me, it didn't seem
like a " as natural" food for dogs (as opposed to poultry or rabbit),
although I am sure it can be scavenged in the wild. Do people feed fish mainly for
the meat or for the omega oils?

Regards,

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3b. Re: Feeded Fish
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:04 am ((PDT))

Well if you're a dingo living on Fraser Island off Queensland, you'd
be eating as much fish as you could get your paws on. And there are
plenty of other examples of fish being a staple.

Fish is a fantastic whole food. My best advice is to avoid the farmed
varieties.

cheers,

Jane
www.bluegrace.com

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3c. Re: Feeded Fish
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:29 am ((PDT))

K9FindM@... wrote:
I feed raw, but have only on occasion fed fish. To me, it didn't
seem
> like a " as natural" food for dogs (as opposed to poultry or
rabbit),
> although I am sure it can be scavenged in the wild.
*****
Fish is probably more "natural" than poultry! In the wild fish is
likely to be both scavenged and caught, depending on circumstance;
and it would definitely be for the meat.

For our dogs, most any fish can be fed as a source of high quality
protein and many people feed precisely for that reason. Only certain
fish are useful for Omega 3--salmon, trout, mackerel, herring,
sardine, anchovy and several less impressive others; obviously these
provide high quality protein as well. And it is only Omega 3 that
these fish provide, which is a good thing since our dogs have little
need for additional Omega 6, and Omega 9 is not just an issue for
carnivores.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20040701/133.html

It takes quite a lot of the right fish fed regularly to provide
adequate ongoing Omega 3s. Given the overfished state of many
valuable species as well as the concerns for accumulated toxins, it
is not necessarily most effective to rely on fish as the sole source
of Omega 3 fatty acids. I recommend feeding high quality whole raw
fish primarily for nutrition, and if doing so also provides
occasional Omega 3, all the better.

Chris O

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3d. Re: Feeded Fish
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 8:19 am ((PDT))

>I recommend feeding high quality whole raw fish primarily for nutrition, and if doing so also >provides occasional Omega 3, all the better.

Hi,Chris.I give Fish oil daily.You stated "provides Occasinal Omega 3",does that mean we need to give fish oil WHEN you don't feed fish as meal??

Am I over-giving Fish oil?

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3e. Re: Feeded Fish
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 9:04 am ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
I give Fish oil daily.You stated "provides Occasinal Omega 3",does
that mean we need to give fish oil WHEN you don't feed fish as meal??
>
> Am I over-giving Fish oil?
*****
No. It's hard if not impossible to overgive fish oil.

What I meant to say was to feed the kind of fish you want to feed and
if some of it offers Omega 3 as well as being a good protein source,
that's great. Just don't realistically try to depend on fish as the
only source of Omega 3.

I suggest you supplement with fish oil every day (if that is the plan
you prefer) and only skip it when you are feeding a high Omega 3
fish. However, it would not be bad to both give the supplement AND
feed high Omega 3 fish on the same day. You do not have to do one or
the other, you can do both.

And for those of you who aren't doing either, that's okay too!
Chris O

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3f. Re: Feeded Fish
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 9:43 am ((PDT))

> Just don't realistically try to depend on fish as the only source of Omega 3

Hi,chris.Thank you so much for added info to my knowledge for this and for Tuna/Salmon thread replies. I am very appreciated.

Now,I understand what you meant by 'occasionary' in you previous post. So,I am doing ok as I am doing.

I usually feed salmon in can (in water not in oil) or get chile salmon at grocery store.
if I accidentaly pick up Salmon from say Alaska or anywhere in PNW area,then,I know I can cook for myself but is it ok to cook and feed it to palette?

I know cooked fish is not as valued as raw ones but I can do that?

I know freezing could kill parasite but I am not all that comfortable for unsure thing.

Thank you and thank you everyone for enriching my knowledge in this list.

Yassy

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3g. Re: Feeded Fish
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 10:33 am ((PDT))

Yasuko herron <sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
> if I accidentaly pick up Salmon from say Alaska or anywhere in
PNW area,then,I know I can cook for myself but is it ok to cook and
feed it to palette?
*****
It is highly unlikely that you who lives in Virginia will accidently
acquire salmon from the Pacific Northwest. If when you are shopping
for salmon there is no sign on it that identifies origin, ask. Fish
are supposed to be labeled by country of origin, whether they're
fresh or frozen, whether they're wild or farmed, and if color has
been added. Most reputable sources post this information.

You should not feed cooked fish to your dog unless the piece has been
deboned. While raw fish bones are edible, cooked fish bones become
quite inflexible. Yes, the canned salmon you feed contains bones;
yes, these bones--cooked under high pressure--are okay to feed.

Whenever you have the opportunity to feed wild caught fish, if there
is any concern at all, freeze the fish solid for a week or two.

When you buy human grade meat of any kind you rarely have to even
consider freezing but if it makes you feel safer, by all means freeze.

I'd much rather see someone freeze their dog's raw meats than feed
kibble.
Chris O

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4a. Re: sources?
Posted by: "antarpremal" antarpremal@yahoo.com antarpremal
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:32 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "antarpremal" <antarpremal@...> wrote:
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@> wrote:
> >
> > "antarpremal" <antarpremal@> wrote:
> > >I would love to get some wild meat, rabbit, elk,
> > > deer.....not easy to come by in the suburbs.
> > *****
> > Have you posted your wish list to the CarnivoreFeed-Supplier list?
> > It's a sister list opened specifically to help people link up with
> > suppliers who have want rawfeeders want.
> > Chris O
> >
> Ok chris I'll do that. Thanks for the reply!
> Jen
>
Hey Chris. This is Jennifer again. I plan to contact that list however I guess I am still
confused about what parts to ask for. I guess as far as rabbit or chicken it can be whole
but what about the rest. Is there edible bone in lamb, beef, veal, elk deer? What parts are
the desirable parts for the dog.

I just purchased some veal shank, and then read that it may not be good to feed unless it
is whole. As she was getting into it I saw it was sliced. I helped her to eat it while holding it
while she tore off the meat. I was afraid for her teeth. She was grinding at the marrow on
one end pretty hard with her lower ones, and then got off a circular part that was a slice
and started to try to eat. I took it out but I get it now how it could damage her teeth.

So ribs for recreation in the whole slab form, ...pork buts, picnics....I don't know what that
is....but read it here... uhhhh....what else?

Can any of these be found at the grocery store as I begin this search?

Thanks so much!
Jennifer

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4b. Re: sources?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 8:53 am ((PDT))

"antarpremal" <antarpremal@...> wrote:
I guess I am still
> confused about what parts to ask for. I guess as far as rabbit or
chicken it can be whole
> but what about the rest. Is there edible bone in lamb, beef, veal,
elk deer? What parts are
> the desirable parts for the dog.
*****
If you are posting to the CarnivoreFeed-Supplier list, theoretically
anything you mention there will dog-appropriate, if not always
wonderfully desirable. That's what the CF-S is for!

Lamb, veal, elk plus goat, deer and pig all offer varying degrees of
edible bone. Beef bone may be somewhat edible for some dogs, but
generally it's easiest to think of beef as inedible until proven
otherwise.

When dealing with the CF-S list, I don't think you have to draw them
a picture. If you refer to "body parts" or "meaty bones" or "trim"
people ought to know what you mean. If you use the term "prey model"
most suppliers understand you want whole meats, whole meaty bones; if
you say "RMBs" you are likely to get offers for bonier, less meaty
but still effectively edible bones. Specify no "rec bones", no
ground meats, no commercial blends. That ought to get you started.

Also browse the CF-S archives for possible suppliers.

> I just purchased some veal shank, and then read that it may not be
good to feed unless it
> is whole. As she was getting into it I saw it was sliced. I helped
her to eat it while holding it
> while she tore off the meat. I was afraid for her teeth.
*****
Yes, veal shanks and all other meaty bones should be offered whole,
not sliced. I feed my cat sliced lamb shanks; she is strong enough
to be able to strip the bones clean but too small to break or swallow
the bones. She's the only critter I feed sliced bone to.

Veal bone is generally pretty soft, so tooth damage (though entirely
possible) is less of an issue than swallowing errors. A sliced veal
shank is perfectly sized and shaped for enthusiastic swallowing. For
really big dogs these may only be scary moments; for smaller dogs a
swallowed shank slice could easily result in choking.

> So ribs for recreation in the whole slab form, ...pork buts,
picnics....I don't know what that
> is....but read it here... uhhhh....what else?
*****
I suggest you weed the term "recreation" from your vocabulary! Rib
slabs can be fed for the meat they provide as well as the interactive
energy they require. They might be considered light meals and you
should collect the bones when they are well-chewed but they can
indeed be meals.

Pork butts and picnics are terms for shoulder roasts of varying shape
and size. These generally are affordable and available; the bones
are edible to some degree depending on the dog. Pork spare ribs,
pork hocks, pork feet, pork necks, pork brisket bone/riblets: all
usable. Almost all the pig is edible.

Also useful are lamb shanks, shoulders, legs, necks, breast; turkey
breast, thighs, legs, necks.

You should be able to find a good store of body part recommendations
in the list archives. Here's how to join Yahoogroups so you can
access the messages:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/join

> Can any of these be found at the grocery store as I begin this
search?
*****
Many can, yes. Also check out wholesalers and ethnic markets.
Chris O

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4c. Re: sources?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 9:31 am ((PDT))

> I am still confused about what parts to ask for.

Hi,I am feeding raw about 1 month and half and still newbie and not introducing all protin base I could get but,if you ask for 4 legged animal,you may want to try rib,and neck as consumable bone meal.

my dog Corgi 1 year and 8 months old ate beef rib taking 90 minutes but all ,goat
neckbone as sample from me one time when I was bagging the meal to zipbag and she ate the bone all,and yesterday,I gave her pork rib slab but she ate as if she is eating chicken.The bone looked as soft as chicken when I see her eating easy.

I avoid shank bone/leg bone area due weight bearing bones and teeth breaker I read.You could give shank maybe but I hear it splinter sharp so,I don't plan to give any of the bone from leg.

For a boneless animal meat I give , tongue,heart and any boneless meat from any parts.
Ah,for Beef,you can give Beef Cheek meat too.My dog loved it a lot.

I found that if you buy lamb from grocery shop,there are not much choice;lamb chop which you need to cut bone out for small sized bone attached,and Lamb arm chop that has T-bone with meat attached but size is so small. And you have Rack of Lamb;basically lamb rib with the meat is Frenched on one end.And you see Lamb shank that I am not going to buy.And Leg of lamb. So... I could get Rib with one end Frenched bone and one end has small amount of meat attached. Or,I copuld get Leg of lamb. But I do not like to give bone from leg so, afterall, I asked the butcher guy to debone it from leg and I got that for next protin after pork and am going to get Lam neck that you can find at shoppers.

Butchers gave me the bone as well after deboned it, so,I let my dog bit off meat off from bone after I went home (it was not much meat attached but it was like sample meat for her/snack if you will). Then,I tossed the bones.

I could just get the leg of lamb as is and give to dog when I introduce lamb as next protin but I was not comfortable giving leg bone to my dog so,my plan is to give either neck bone or rib bone plus leg of lamb's meat chunk will be complete meal for one day.

I am comfortable giving pork butt or pork picnic with bone inside because it is from shoulder (am I right?). I have not tried it yet but my comfortable level is high for those.I am not sure if my dog can eat it or not but I will try and see.

If you can go to Ukrop grocery store,they have cheap pork butt;about 10lb per package and I remember I paied one dollar something per pound.

Good luck

yassy

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5a. I Finally Took The Plunge -Question
Posted by: "Maiakitas@aol.com" Maiakitas@aol.com maiakitas
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 8:22 am ((PDT))

HI,

Well, I am on day 5 of my raw feeding excursion. Neither of my dogs has
returned their raw chicken to me in forms that I would not appreciate. :o) It is
staying down, no diarrhea, nothing bad. They did have to miss a couple of meals
because they were too busy touching the food with their paws instead of eating
it. Akitas are a very "pawsy" breed.

Bill, thanks for your suggestions. I stopped the wings (start the cat on
those) and stopped taking the skin off the chicken, although I do still sort of
cut open the chicken quarters a bit so you see the insides and some of the bone,
because they just sat their looking at it whole. I am sure once they are
eating well, I will be able to stop that. So far they have had large split breast,
big leg quarters that appear to have some back on them and some pretty meaty
backs. I have some organ meat, but just have not given it yet, but I did
notice that the backs did have some chunks of organ meat on them. Oh yum! :o)

I figure if things continue to go well, I will keep them on the assorted
chicken parts for another week or so and move on to another meat. Does there tend
to be a consensus about what is the best next meat to start with and am I then
best to stick with just that meat for a week or two and then move to another?

I lucked out and found a large butcher not too far from my home that caters
to quite a variety of ethnicity's. I found quite a variety of meats and parts
that I didn't know were sold. They also told me that they can order me cases of
anything that I would like. Until I get a freezer, I think this will be the
way to go, because they are close and their prices weren't horrible and I could
go weekly or even biweekly for the time being.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but when they do eat, they seem to enjoy it.

Regards,
Carla

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5b. Re: I Finally Took The Plunge -Question
Posted by: "Mike Frantzen" hoover1203@yahoo.com hoover1203
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 11:18 am ((PDT))

just want to remind you when switching foods-go slow! Still give the chicken and a little of the new food. I switched too quick with mine and was up all night!

good luck!
chris F.

Maiakitas@aol.com wrote:
HI,

I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but when they do eat, they seem to enjoy it.

Regards,
Carla

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6a. I think I've been feeding WAYtoo much....
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 9:34 am ((PDT))

Firdst I must say, that I am thrilled to be part of this group. I'm so
excited about having raw feeding friends to share my dilemas with.

So here's my first one....

I dove in head first to raw feeding and my dogs are doing great. I
have a 13lb scottie mix (2yrs) and a 6lb rat terrier pup (6mos).

Until yesterday, I would feed them each a chicken leg or thigh... on
some days chicken back and heart meat, or 2 trky necks each. The puppy
eats as much if not more than the older dog.

Well, I was aghast to find that to weight percentages I should only be
feeding the little one 2-3oz a day and the older one 8oz!! My boys
have been eating that and more I'm sure!!! They love their raw food
and sit on their mats eagerly when hungry.

How am I going to satisfy them on 1/3 what they're used to? I don't
want to over fatten my dogs. How does someone scale back the amount
their dogs eat?

And for you small dog feeders out there, how much do you feed your
little one? is 1 chicken neck really enough to satisfy???

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6b. Re: I think I've been feeding WAYtoo much....
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 10:22 am ((PDT))

"kaebruney" <kaebruney@...> wrote:
> I dove in head first to raw feeding and my dogs are doing great. I
> have a 13lb scottie mix (2yrs) and a 6lb rat terrier pup (6mos).
>
> Until yesterday, I would feed them each a chicken leg or thigh... on
> some days chicken back and heart meat, or 2 trky necks each. The
puppy
> eats as much if not more than the older dog.
>
> Well, I was aghast to find that to weight percentages I should only
be
> feeding the little one 2-3oz a day and the older one 8oz!!
*****
Those percentages are guidelines and generally speaking they should
be increased for small dogs, to as much as 5% if the dog is very
active. The most healthy way to feed your dogs though is by their
appearance.

You want them to be active, responsive lean athletes with shiny coats
and supple skin and clear eyes. You want see healthy pink gums and
sparkly teeth. You want their stools to reflect the meals. You want
them to eat eagerly, to eat their fill, to leave the table satisifed,
to play hard and sleep well. If this is happening, then you are
feeding the right amount, regardless of what that amount weighs or if
that amount is 2% or 10% of ideal adult body weight.

How does someone scale back the amount
> their dogs eat?
*****
By feeding less, by feeding leaner meats, by feeding less
frequently. All of the above, some of the above. You continue
feeding a good species appropriate diet--which means you do not add
silly things like green beans or piles of any vegetable to "fill the
dog up"--you just feed less of it, one way or the other.

It's a bit tougher with younger pups because you don't want to skip
meals (well, I don't at least) but even with a pup you can
alternate "normal" meals with "small" meals.

As long as you use their physical response as your guideline, you can
continue feeding the amounts you do. However, I do think you are
feeding more bone than is needed by either dog. One turkey neck is
plenty--to "make the meal" add meat. A chicken neck plus meat would
work for the baby--not very interactive but for a "cutting back" meal
the combo should do.

You don't need a scale. You need to lay your hands and eyes on your
dogs and use that information to guide your feeding choices.
Envision what you prefer them to look like, then feed to that goal.
Chris O

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7a. question about dog killing and eating a baby robin
Posted by: "reesecup35" reesecup35@yahoo.com reesecup35
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 9:42 am ((PDT))

Hi I haven't posted in while, I was feeding raw then I went to giving
them K***** one that is a high grade and feeding them raw with it
because they were getting picky and I was getting fedup with there
pickiness but I probably caused it because I would cut up there food
and even cut up the bones because I was afraid that they would get
choked on them. I regret now cutting up the food for all of them at
one time they would eat it off the bone all but my long hair dog he
doesn't have very big teeth and I needed to help him. I have been
giving them alittle raw with the k***** they don't really want the
k***** but they are picky with the chicken and when I feed other meat
other than Chicken they get pickier and they also get the runs even
when I gradually introduce the new meat to them,so I had decided to
just feed K***** from now on then today I let my dogs out when I took
my daycare kids outside and there were these birds around this baby
bird and the dogs got to the baby before I could stop them Tanner my
tan shih tzu got the baby in his mouth and would not let it go he
ended up killing it and I told him if he was going to kill it he had
to eat it well he did most of it anyway I guess I need to get them
back on raw because they want it I just got tired of them being picky
so I guess I need to give it to them and let them eat it off the bone
and eat like they are suppose to eat it. My question is he won't get
sick from eating a baby robin will he? he didn't eat all of it just
the head and some other parts he did not want to share it with any of
the other dogs I felt bad because the parents of the baby were
watching and chirping in the tree I wonder if he would have done that
had I not started him on eating raw.
Theresa

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7b. Re: question about dog killing and eating a baby robin
Posted by: "john payne" brendajohn2823@yahoo.com brendajohn2823
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 10:24 am ((PDT))

we let our dogs out the other day, and ones 138 lbs. there was a tiny baby robin in the yard that couldnt fly and as soon as i saw it, i tried to stop the dogs from going over to it, but the big one ran right to it, sniffed it a couple of times, and then walked away. They have both been raw fed for close to 2 yrs now and neither one of them tried to hurt the little bird @ all. so no, i dont think him having ate raw before had anything to do with him eating the bird. dogs are natural born hunters.
Brenda

reesecup35 <reesecup35@yahoo.com> wrote:
with any of
the other dogs I felt bad because the parents of the baby were
watching and chirping in the tree I wonder if he would have done that
had I not started him on eating raw.
Theresa

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8a. Re: deworming
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 10:25 am ((PDT))

"is deworming more neccessary on a raw diet, do you need to do it more than
once a year?"

No - none necessary unless you see worms. If it makes you feel better, do
it once a year but use DE - I thought about doing this but have decided to
only use it if I see worms in their stool. As far as I know worms don't
cause "irreversible damage" you just have to get rid of them if your dog
can't on it's own.

http://blackkatherbs.com/pets.htm
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Tina Berry
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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8b. ADMIN/Re: deworming
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 10:36 am ((PDT))

The deworming thread was admined to RawChat previously; it is still
inappropriate for the rawfeeding list. Please take this topic to
RawChat, DogHealth or any of several alternative care lists.
Thank you.
Chris O
Moderation Team

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