[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11766

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: How many times a day do you feed?
From: costrowski75
1b. Re: How many times a day do you feed?
From: Nathalie Poulin

2a. Re: Healthiest Dog I ever owned...
From: Nathalie Poulin

3a. Re: Epilepsy & raw feeding
From: g_manders
3b. Re: Epilepsy & raw feeding
From: Sandee Lee
3c. Re: Epilepsy & raw feeding
From: embrace3

4a. Re: Questions about switching to raw diet--new to group
From: brutus_buckley

5a. Re: GRRRRRR....
From: Bumble1994@aol.com

6a. Re: Trying to educated people about the wonders of raw feeding. *Upd
From: Laura
6b. Re: Trying to educated people about the wonders of raw feeding. *Upd
From: Patrice Quinn

7a. Newbie to the group with a few questions...
From: kaebruney
7b. Re: Newbie to the group with a few questions...
From: seaneboyee
7c. Re: Newbie to the group with a few questions...
From: Sandee Lee
7d. Re: Newbie to the group with a few questions...
From: Linda Edgington

8a. Doggie treat recipies...
From: kaebruney
8b. Re: Doggie treat recipies...
From: seaneboyee
8c. ADMIN/Re: Doggie treat recipies...
From: costrowski75

9a. Veggies... Eggs... Omega3 's... Vitamin E
From: kaebruney
9b. Re: Veggies... Eggs... Omega3 's... Vitamin E
From: bluegracepwd

10. (no subject)
From: Ann Flynn

11. Here fishy fishy
From: mob1043

12a. Lily update: was tiny 8 week old papillon
From: Carrie Kelly
12b. Re: Lily update: was tiny 8 week old papillon
From: Giselle

13a. Re: Which bones are best for teeth clean ups?
From: linoleum5017

14. New puppy won't eat
From: rottinluvr

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1a. Re: How many times a day do you feed?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 4:28 pm ((PDT))

"Felicia" <greenmomma@...> wrote:
My dogs are 2 1/2 and 1 1/2 - are
> they old enough to eat only once a day?
*****
Your dogs are indeed old enough to eat once a day--or less. Feeding
once a day gives them the opportunity to eat larger, more gratifying
and involving meals. I recommend you also mix up your feeding schedule.
Chris O

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1b. Re: How many times a day do you feed?
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 5:03 pm ((PDT))

Poe (my german shepherd/husky) is 9 months old and I
only feed her once a day.... she seems to be doing
very well so far (about 2 weeks or so on raw).

Nathalie

--- Felicia <greenmomma@gmail.com> wrote:

> I usually feed a couple times a day, but I'm
> wondering if more or less
> often would be optimal. I searched the archives and
> it looks like
> some people also feed twice a day. My dogs are 2
> 1/2 and 1 1/2 - are
> they old enough to eat only once a day?
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> Felicia, Mom to
> Bella & Katie
>
>

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2a. Re: Healthiest Dog I ever owned...
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 5:03 pm ((PDT))

I love hearing this simply because it reaffirms
everything that I already believe to be true; which
can sometimes make one doubtful with the amount of
people who look at you like you're crazy when they
find out you feed your dog raw.
Thank you.

Nathalie

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> Just a note to pass along - the healthiest dog that
> I have ever owned and
> worked was a border collie/blue heeler mix that I
> worked on my longhorn cattle.
> Although we provided what I thought was a "good"
> diet at our time with him
> - he preferred the dead deer that were hit in front
> of our farm (which was
> year round and many). He had the shiniest coat,
> worked the best and continue
> to work cattle until he was 16 and died at the age
> of 17.
>
> Maria Hillegas
> SARDOM
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3a. Re: Epilepsy & raw feeding
Posted by: "g_manders" gencfg@gmail.com g_manders
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 5:03 pm ((PDT))

Raw is one of the best things you can do for an epileptic pet. Get
lots of organ meat because the Taurine found it in will help rebuild
what the brain looses during a seizure. I've had 2 personal greyhounds
with epilepsy and several fosters. Please feel free to contact me off
list for any advice/guidance or with questions.

Gen
w/ 6 happy greyhounds
gencfg@gmail.com

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3b. Re: Epilepsy & raw feeding
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 5:11 pm ((PDT))

In fact, Mary, they are using low carb diets to successfully treat children
who have such severe epilepsy, they were not able to be controlled on drugs!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Sandee Lee" <rlee@plix.com>
>
> You heard wrong. Raw is absolutely the best thing you can feed a dog with
> epilepsy. Diet change is one of the first things recommended...well,
after
> getting on the appropriate meds, of course! But generally you will see a
> reduction in seizures, some dogs have even been able to lower the
> dose/discontinue them.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang

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3c. Re: Epilepsy & raw feeding
Posted by: "embrace3" embrace3@yahoo.com embrace3
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 5:18 pm ((PDT))

Hi I am relatively new to raw but have some experience with epilepsy
in dogs, and all I can tell you that although we lost our 2.5 year
old GSD to epilepsy (caused by vaccines) when we switched him to raw
he was seizure free for over a month whereas he would normally have
seizures every 2 weeks like clock work. You have to be careful with
the meds because of the awesome nutrition in raw the dog most likely
will require less pheno and thus if you keep him on the same does it
might poison him. Check the levels at least every 2 weeks at the vet
when initially switching him to raw. Also I would greatly
recommend "Canine Epilepsy" An Owner's Guide to Living With and
Without Seizures by Caroline D. Levin, it's just a super great book
on the topic.
Krystian W.

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> Mary,
>
> You heard wrong. Raw is absolutely the best thing you can feed a
dog with
> epilepsy. Diet change is one of the first things
recommended...well, after
> getting on the appropriate meds, of course! But generally you
will see a
> reduction in seizures, some dogs have even been able to lower the
> dose/discontinue them.
>
> Sandee & the Dane Gang
>
> From: "Mary" <dobesrcool@...>
>
>
> .I now have a new rescue boy has epilepsy he's 4 yrs old and has
> been on meds since a pup 3mo's.(Phenobarbital 97.2 mg. @ 5 per day)
When
> we got him we put him on raw right away,his weight was 110lbs and
now
> is 95lbs. Never had a dog with this so we have been doing some
research
> on it.Now we a seeing that the raw diet is very very bad for the
> Epilepsy dog.Does anyone have any suggestions on this.We are going
> crazy with this,please help if you have the time..
>

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4a. Re: Questions about switching to raw diet--new to group
Posted by: "brutus_buckley" brutus_buckley@yahoo.com brutus_buckley
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 5:04 pm ((PDT))

// Variety is one of the best ways to assure optimal nutrition. I
> recommend never giving up the hunt for red october, I mean meat.//

***LOL Chris. My hubby always thinks after I've bought a lot of meat
that I'm "done." Then if I find something else on sale, he always
wonders why I need to buy it...as if the dogs can survive forever on 1
goat. I only consider myself "done" if all the freezer space is
full..sometimes not even then, as I will often start checking out new
freezers to buy and fill up! I am a meat hoarder...big time!

-Renee W.

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5a. Re: GRRRRRR....
Posted by: "Bumble1994@aol.com" Bumble1994@aol.com bumble1994
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 5:04 pm ((PDT))

In a message dated 7/5/2007 7:19:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com writes:

Anyone have a dog that growls when there eating a RMB. Hes not
growling at anyone or anything cuz he's the only one in the room(don't
worrie im supervising him, he just cant see me). He just growls
sometimes.

No, but I have a cat that does. :) And also a cat that sings at the top of
her lungs while she eats that good raw stuff. The third cat just pins his ears
back, puts a paw on the meat to keep it still, and never lifts his head until
it's gone--unless I bother him, in which case he will growl clearly at me!

It was so funny today, watching those cats work on ribs (before they ate
their beef liver I fed with it, mind you). Both male cats have learned to put a
paw on a bone and hold it so they can gnaw away. The little girl hasn't
thought of that, just picks it up and tries to chew, while singing and walking
around some. The boys had theirs down to bone and I took that away in 15 min,
but Precious worried at hers for nearly half an hour before it seemed she'd
gotten down about all she was going to of it! Now she's lying on the computer
desk between the monitor and me, singing and purring her paws when I talk to
her, and looking somewhat tired. :)

Lynda

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6a. Re: Trying to educated people about the wonders of raw feeding. *Upd
Posted by: "Laura" laurac2cheshire@yahoo.com laurac2cheshire
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 5:05 pm ((PDT))

I don't know if you all remember this topic but I wanted to update you.
I was trying to educate one of my coworkers about how feeding her dog
raw would help with the dogs recent seizure problems. She went to ask
her "ex-husband" about this – he is a vet. He told her about
the "increase" he's seen in Salmonella and E. Coli poisoning in his
patients. Although, he could not definitively make the correlation
between the increase in poisoning with dogs on raw diet – he still told
her that he attributes the increase he has seen with raw diet.
Personally, and I told her this, I think that is reckless medical
practice. THE GOOD NEWS – she recently took her dog on a mini vacation
to the River and her dog had another episode. She remembered what I
said and she gave her dog some raw steak. She says, "She's a totally
different dog!! You were SO right!!" and no episodes since then! I just
love it when things speak for themselves. I just had to share my little
victory with you all. ;-)

Laura
Corona,CA

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6b. Re: Trying to educated people about the wonders of raw feeding. *Upd
Posted by: "Patrice Quinn" patrice@patricequinn.com patrice_quinn
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 8:48 pm ((PDT))

Hi Laura, We had an experience almost identical to your co-worker's. We fed
our two mini-dachsie girls commercial kibble for 14 years. They were both
given phenobarbitol every day for 10 years for seizures.

Eight months ago, due to escalating health problems we couldn't get a
diagnosis for (after spending over $1000) and adopting a dachsie boy with
his own health issues, we stopped kibble and started a cooked meat mixture.
All three improved in a number of ways--we were finally able to wean the
girls off the pheno.

After some on-line research, I became interested months ago in raw feeding
and asked our vet about it. He discouraged us with the identical claim that
he's seeing a higher ratio of salmonella and E.Coli problems in his patients
due to this "fad." That put us off for several months; however, we finally
decided to do what appealed to our common sense and just a week ago we
switched all of our dogs to raw. Though they had never seen raw food of any
kind in their lives, they didn't even sniff twice before launching into
their chicken thighs like pros. So far they're all doing great and look
forward to their raw meals with as much gusto as they did their cooked ones.
I am SURE that all of the health problems that are still present will be
dissipating away as they FINALLY receive the nutrients they need in the form
they were always intended to get them.

I am convinced that commercial dog food is the underlying cause of the
siezures, the systemic yeast infection, the dental issues and the anal glad
impactions we've had years of experience with and wouldn't be surprised if
the increase in salmonella and E. Coli these vets are seeing may also be the
result of commercial dog foods being fed to dogs whose immune systems are
compromised from long term feeding of that stuff.

Good on ya for this "little" victory for you (which is a BIG victory for
your co-worker and her canine). Have a great weekend! Patrice Quinn

-------Original Message-------

From: Laura
Date: 7/5/2007 5:05:12 PM
To: rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rawfeeding] RE: Trying to educated people about the wonders of raw
feeding. *Update*

I don't know if you all remember this topic but I wanted to update you.
I was trying to educate one of my coworkers about how feeding her dog
raw would help with the dogs recent seizure problems. She went to ask
her "ex-husband" about this – he is a vet. He told her about
the "increase" he's seen in Salmonella and E. Coli poisoning in his
patients. Although, he could not definitively make the correlation
between the increase in poisoning with dogs on raw diet – he still told
her that he attributes the increase he has seen with raw diet.
Personally, and I told her this, I think that is reckless medical
practice. THE GOOD NEWS – she recently took her dog on a mini vacation
to the River and her dog had another episode. She remembered what I
said and she gave her dog some raw steak. She says, "She's a totally
different dog!! You were SO right!!" and no episodes since then! I just
love it when things speak for themselves. I just had to share my little
victory with you all. ;-)

Laura
Corona,CA

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7a. Newbie to the group with a few questions...
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 5:29 pm ((PDT))

Hey everyone!

I'm new to the groups but not new to feeding raw (although I may not
be doing it right).

I have a 2yr old scottie mix and a 6mo old ratty that are both raw fed.

I have two questions about feeding my boys:

1- We stick to mainly chicken, turkey, beef hearts, liver, etc. Their
fish has been tuna or salmon from a can as they both hate fish.
However, I notice people feeding all sorts of exotics like: lamb, emu,
rabbit, goat, etc.

Are there benefits to the other meats? I don't have easy access to the
and would have to search, but if they're better then I ant to do that
for my dogs.

2 - Organs - which ones are best? I just realized I'm feeding too much
liver which is fine because my dogs hate it!!! So I'm wondering what
about the other organs... do sweetbreads qualify? what about kidneys..
i'm scared to cut them and get a bunch of uric acid (eew!).

3 - speaking of liver, does it matter if it's beef or pork? and are
gizzards livers?

I know it's a lot, but I'm so excited to have so many knowledgeable
folks to turn to.

Thanks everyone!

~kae

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7b. Re: Newbie to the group with a few questions...
Posted by: "seaneboyee" seaneboyee@yahoo.com seaneboyee
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 6:48 pm ((PDT))

1 - I'm fairly new to raw feeding as well but I've read that variety
is the best but you want to ease into it so you can pinpoint any
change in activity or things like allergies. As they say, you want to
mirror the prey model so things would be things like rabbits, lamb,
and goats. Whatever is convenient for you is what works best for
everyone. Everything is expensive in Hawaii so I just stick to what I
can get at the supermarket.

2 - One of the holistic vets in Hawaii said liver and hearts are the
best. Green tripe is also excellent if you can find it.

3 - I don't believe it matters between beer or pork, once again it's
about variety and convenience. Gizzards are excellent as well.

Best regards,
Sean

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7c. Re: Newbie to the group with a few questions...
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:30 pm ((PDT))

Actually, beer and pork are really good together. Slow cooked in a
crockpot....YUM!!!!

Sorry...couldn't resist! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "seaneboyee" <seaneboyee@yahoo.com>

3 - I don't believe it matters between beer or pork, once again it's
about variety and convenience. Gizzards are excellent as well.

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7d. Re: Newbie to the group with a few questions...
Posted by: "Linda Edgington" lindagail849@yahoo.com lindagail849
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 8:46 pm ((PDT))

With some onion and bbq sauce!! :}

Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote: Actually, beer and pork are really good together. Slow cooked in a
crockpot....YUM!!!!

Sorry...couldn't resist! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "seaneboyee" <seaneboyee@yahoo.com>

3 - I don't believe it matters between beer or pork, once again it's
about variety and convenience. Gizzards are excellent as well.

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8a. Doggie treat recipies...
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 5:29 pm ((PDT))

Does have anyone have any recipes (on know where to find them) for
making doggy treats? I heard of one for drying liver to make treats...
any ideas?

I don't want to ruin all my raw efforts by feeding doggie buiscits as
treats.

Thanks!

Kae

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8b. Re: Doggie treat recipies...
Posted by: "seaneboyee" seaneboyee@yahoo.com seaneboyee
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 6:48 pm ((PDT))

I asked the same question about a week ago and came across a working
recipe for dehydrated liver treats. You basically get some liver from
the supermarket and cut it as thin as possible, 1/4 of an inch is
preferable and then bake it in your toaster oven or oven at the lowest
heat possible, about 200 degrees. I'm actually looking into
purchasing a food dehydrator just for making these treats, you can
also use any other type of meat as well.

Best regards,
Sean

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kaebruney" <kaebruney@...> wrote:
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> Does have anyone have any recipes (on know where to find them) for
> making doggy treats? I heard of one for drying liver to make treats...
> any ideas?
>
> I don't want to ruin all my raw efforts by feeding doggie buiscits as
> treats.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kae
>

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8c. ADMIN/Re: Doggie treat recipies...
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 9:08 pm ((PDT))

Please take all treat "how to" questions and answers to
RawChat. "Whats" and "whys" and even "whens" are safe here. Further
recipe postings will be dispatched posthaste.
Chris O
Moderation Team

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9a. Veggies... Eggs... Omega3 's... Vitamin E
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 5:47 pm ((PDT))

Some raw feeders are totally purists relying only on the balance of
meats, organs and bone to sustain their pet.

Yet again some supplement their dog's meals with veggies, yogurt,
Vitamin E caps, etc.

I have yet to add supplements to our raw feeding but am considering
the benefits of doing so.

For those who add supplements, which do you add and why?

Anyone add brewer's yeast or garlic for insects?

Thanks,

Kae

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9b. Re: Veggies... Eggs... Omega3 's... Vitamin E
Posted by: "bluegracepwd" janea@tpg.com.au bluegracepwd
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:46 pm ((PDT))

Ok Kay,

there's a darn lot of money to be made from people trying to tell you
that supplements will make you a better dog owner, because they are
good for your dog.

And that's just crap.

A carnivore does not need veggies or yoghurt, and I would give little
credit to vit e caps adding any value whatsoever.

And your carnivore certainly does not need brewer's yeast nor garlic.

cheers,

Jane

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10. (no subject)
Posted by: "Ann Flynn" a.flynn@optusnet.com.au flynn_nn
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 6:50 pm ((PDT))

Hello All,

I am new to raw feeding and have a question about an older arthritic dog.
Unfortunately I knew no better and since 6 months old she has been fed
canned and kibbled (what I now know should not even be called food), with a
recreational bone only about once every few weeks. She is a 13 year lab x
and very stiff and sore, particularly in the leg she had a cruciate ligament
replaced in about 4 years ago.

I have had her to the vet several times this year regarding the general
stiffness and he said she also has spondylitis which is inflammation of the
spine. I was not asked at all about her diet and she was prescribed a pain
killer which initially gave her relief but led to internal bleeding and
diahorrea. She was given more medication to help with those problems. Then
she was changed to another pain killer which does give her relief but I have
been very concerned about the long term side effects of being on a daily
medication.

We have just got a new pup too, and I was researching about puppy feeding on
the internet when I came across the idea of raw feeding, and realized I have
been duped all these years thinking that if a vet recommends pet food it
must be good for my dog! My poor dog has paid the price in ill health for
years. She had to have a tumor removed a year ago too.

I have had her on a completely raw meaty bone diet for a week now. There has
been a remarkable improvement already in her mouth which I had noticed was
smelling bad, when I had a closer look her teeth were discolored and gums
looked inflamed. After one week, her breath is sweet and her teeth are much
whiter and gums look normal. (WOW!!)

Yesterday I decided to stop her medication so I can see more fully what
happens on the raw diet. I have now read the raw meaty bone diet can be
considered as both food and medicine for dogs and that prescription
medication is just placing more strain on her system.

I do believe she is generally happier, and her mouth is a great result
already, but I haven't noticed any freeing up of her stiffness as yet. Early
days I know, and maybe I am just too impatient to see her get relief with
this diet.

I have a few questions:

Is it true that cruciate ligament rupture is related to junk pet food diet?
Has anyone feeding raw had this problem with their dog/dogs?

Would anyone with experience changing to raw with an old dog and having
success with stiffness and arthritis relief in their pet, please share with
me how long it took for the dog to get relief?

I do realize the raw diet is not a miracle cure and that maybe she is just
too ill from years of junk food to get much better now. Thank goodness our
new pup will never suffer the same fate. At 10 weeks he is tucking into his
meaty bones with delight, as is my old dog. Great to see their pleasure.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Ann.

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11. Here fishy fishy
Posted by: "mob1043" ynotbeastar@marykay.com mob1043
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:37 pm ((PDT))

I understand about non farmed fish, but is it OK to feed salt and/or
fresh water fish? I read the threads and did I miss that questions?
If I did, I apologize for being blind.

Thanks,
Michele

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12a. Lily update: was tiny 8 week old papillon
Posted by: "Carrie Kelly" winencandy@yahoo.ca winencandy
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 7:41 pm ((PDT))

Well, Lily's been home for almost a week. She's a little joy. I've been giving her chicken breasts. The first couple of meals I cut it up for her. Lately I've been slicing into the breast and then giving it to her. She tears at it like a tiny wolf. She's not eating very much bone yet. Today was her first real day with bone and she scared me - she gagged on a chicken rib, but she got it down. The next meal, I cut the breast cartilage into tiny, tiny pieces. Maybe I'll have to smash it for her.
I never thought I'd be writing about my dog's poop in an email, but never say never. It started out runny, yellow and mucousy, it has changed to brown, runny and slightly mucousy. Nothing solid. I'm not sure if it's a combination of new food, no bone, or too much food. (2 oz of food a day is a very tiny amount to try to measure.) So I guess I'm just looking for reassurance that this is normal and it will eventually turn into something that I can pick up off the lawn, instead of just wiping it into the grass.
Enough of that. Oliver the cat isn't sure what to think of her, and Jazz (the 13 yr old lab X) won't even look at her. I think Jazz is hoping that if she doesn't acknowledge her, Lily will go away.
Carrie K

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12b. Re: Lily update: was tiny 8 week old papillon
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 8:24 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Carrie!
Its great to hear an update on your new pup!
If you think she'll have a hard time with chicken bones, why not try
game hens first? They're still chicken, just younger ones, with softer
bones. The more easily crunched bones should let you keep a more hands
off approach, so that she can develop her own eating style. If she
doesn't eat bones, or is just eating the softer gristle for awhile,
that OK.
The poops you are seeing are reflective of the boneless chicken you
are feeding. NPs, the poops will change when the protein and bone
content you feed changes. Usually poops harden with more bone, are
soft, maybe even runny with less, or no bone. Not all meals have to
have bone. Use 80% meatymeat, 10% bone and 10% organ as a general
guideline.
Don't try to measure or weigh her meals. Just cut the game hens in
half or the chicken in quarters and let her have at it! After about
15-20 minutes she should stop eating, take it up, and put in the
fridge for the next meal. As little as she is, you could offer her as
many as 4 meals a day, but 3 fer sure as a minimum. As she learns to
work her jaws/body and chunk her mouthfuls to the right size to
swallow comfortably, she will be able to manage more at a feeding
without tiring out before she's full.
Get used to looking at her waist and belly tuck up and feeling her
ribs, backbone and hip bones, this will give you a good idea of how
she should feel and look at an optimum weight for her. Too much
padding over the ribs? Let her eat less of her meal before putting it
up. A little ribby? Let her eat more, or feed an additional meal.
Jazz may just think that she's a very strange type of cat! Having a
big dog as a house mate, Oliver may think she's a weird kind of cat, too!
TC
Giselle

> Well, Lily's been home for almost a week. She's a little joy. I've
been giving her chicken breasts. The first couple of meals I cut it
up for her. Lately I've been slicing into the breast and then giving
it to her. She tears at it like a tiny wolf. She's not eating very
much bone yet. Today was her first real day with bone and she scared
me - she gagged on a chicken rib, but she got it down. The next meal,
I cut the breast cartilage into tiny, tiny pieces. Maybe I'll have to
smash it for her.

> I never thought I'd be writing about my dog's poop in an email,
but never say never. It started out runny, yellow and mucousy, it has
changed to brown, runny and slightly mucousy. Nothing solid. I'm not
sure if it's a combination of new food, no bone, or too much food. (2
oz of food a day is a very tiny amount to try to measure.) So I guess
I'm just looking for reassurance that this is normal and it will
eventually turn into something that I can pick up off the lawn,
instead of just wiping it into the grass.
> Enough of that. Oliver the cat isn't sure what to think of her,
and Jazz (the 13 yr old lab X) won't even look at her. I think Jazz
is hoping that if she doesn't acknowledge her, Lily will go away.
> Carrie K

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13a. Re: Which bones are best for teeth clean ups?
Posted by: "linoleum5017" linoleum5017@yahoo.com linoleum5017
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 8:11 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Mary" <halle4@...> wrote:
> I feed the chicken feet partially frozen
>
> Mary in PA

Mary, I am also in PA, and am looking to find a good butcher. Where
might you be? Southwestern PA is my neck o'.

Lynne

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14. New puppy won't eat
Posted by: "rottinluvr" rottinluv@cox.net rottinluvr
Date: Thu Jul 5, 2007 8:48 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone,

I brought home my new puppy today. A 7 week old Rottweiler. I figured
since I managed to switch a cat over to raw, a new puppy would be a
breeze. Well, that hasn't been the case. He really has no interest in
the chicken. I've offered him a chicken quarter, and he barely looked
at it. I sliced into the meat, and he licked it. I finally cut it into
really tiny pieces, and he reluctantly ate a few, maybe a tablespoon
worth.

I know that puppies are supposed to eat frequently, so I'm a little
concerned. He is eating, drinking, peeing, and pooping just fine. He
does not seem depressed in any way, he just does not want to eat the
chicken.

Any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated!

Leanne & Casino

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