[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11781

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Eggs and other extras
From: Tina Berry

2a. Re: burying food for later?
From: pelirojita

3a. GSD diarrhea
From: leslie
3b. Re: GSD diarrhea
From: costrowski75
3c. Re: GSD diarrhea
From: themilochs
3d. Re: GSD diarrhea
From: carolyn arnold

4a. Re: Guinness' progress
From: Lyse Garant

5a. Re: Hi guys! Some ?s about GSDs, puppies, and RAW diet :)
From: kimberlykay1119
5b. Re: Hi guys! Some ?s about GSDs, puppies, and RAW diet :)
From: Jaimie Young
5c. Re: Hi guys! Some ?s about GSDs, puppies, and RAW diet :)
From: Sunshine S. Patron

6a. Re: Cushings Disease
From: Anais

7a. Re: Work Wonders book
From: themilochs

8a. Re: Work Wonders book - I tried signing that - sorry
From: themilochs

9a. Re: Agression
From: Michael Bynum
9b. Re: Agression
From: carnesbill

10. Tooth extraction question
From: Kasandra

11a. Re: Lethargic dogs
From: Tracy

12a. Raw and vacations
From: trayc2244
12b. Re: Raw and vacations
From: Giselle
12c. Re: Raw and vacations
From: trayc2244

13. Fermented stomach grass
From: pitbullanholder

14a. Re: labwork
From: m_towslee

15a. Squid?
From: temy1102
15b. Re: Squid?
From: Giselle
15c. Re: Squid?
From: Michael Bynum

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1a. Re: Eggs and other extras
Posted by: "Tina Berry" k9baron@gmail.com k9antje
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 10:37 am ((PDT))

I give an egg daily to my 4; as for almonds, mine love them, but unless they
are crushed they appear to come out the same way they went in :-)
--
Tina Berry
Kriegshund German Shepherds
Working Lines ~ Naturally Reared
www.kriegshundgsds.com

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2a. Re: burying food for later?
Posted by: "pelirojita" kerrymurray7@gmail.com pelirojita
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 10:39 am ((PDT))

Hi Lora,
>
> You could train your dog to bury in a particular spot and then
ensure that
> your toddler does not access that area, but the kid is going to get into
> poop, dirt, bugs, bird droppings, etc. anyway.
>
> Lora
> Evanston, IL
>

My Golden actually buried the food in the "utility" section of our
yard that is out of the way and not a place my child usually plays. So
if I were to train her to pick a spot, it would be the one she chose.
I still don't know how she got the chicken where she did as it was
under some random building materials that were propped up against the
house.

I get the "kid into everything", our son is into everything and his
current favorite thing is to pick up after the dogs. He knows not to
use his hands and is actually quite adept at the pooper scooper. He
has been a bit disappointed this week as the poop production is off
dramatically (and much better camouflaged with the ground) now that
the dogs are eating raw. Good thing we have a parrot and foster
parrots, plenty of poop there for him to clean up ;)

I'll keep an eye on my Golden. She is an amazing dog and I have
learned to trust her "choices" (I'm mostly deaf and she functions as
my hearing dog too.)

Thank you,
Kerry

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3a. GSD diarrhea
Posted by: "leslie" lbuxx@yahoo.com lbuxx
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 10:39 am ((PDT))

Hi guys. I think I'm prob doing a newbie thing here and moved a
little too fast with my GSD. My bad and boy am I paying for it!

Too bad I don't have one of those dogs that will wake me to go outside.

Can anyone give me a good amount of pumpkin to firm things up a bit
for a 75# GSD? Nothing like having to clean the carpet first thing in
the morning......

Thanks
Leslie

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3b. Re: GSD diarrhea
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 11:32 am ((PDT))

"leslie" <lbuxx@...> wrote:
>
> Hi guys. I think I'm prob doing a newbie thing here and moved a
> little too fast with my GSD. My bad and boy am I paying for it!
>
> Too bad I don't have one of those dogs that will wake me to go
outside.
>
> Can anyone give me a good amount of pumpkin to firm things up a bit
> for a 75# GSD?
*****
Pumpkin that merely plugs up what needs to come out naturally is not
what you want! The loose stools are a result of overfeeding or
feeding too much new stuff. Your dog will firm things up when the
mistake has processed out.

If you need to offer something, find yourself some Slippery Elm powder
or capsules and use it to sooth your dog's system.
Chris O

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3c. Re: GSD diarrhea
Posted by: "themilochs" themilochs@yahoo.com themilochs
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 11:41 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "leslie" <lbuxx@...> wrote:

>
> Can anyone give me a good amount of pumpkin to firm things up a bit
> for a 75# GSD?

**** I agree with Chris O. More bone, in the interim at least.

-- Jamie M.

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3d. Re: GSD diarrhea
Posted by: "carolyn arnold" celebrationcookies@yahoo.com celebrationcookies
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 12:05 pm ((PDT))

My 75# GSD had liver and just lost it bowel wise. I took her off of everything and started over with just chicken and then slowly added something new. One thing a week. That was my counsel from the group. We have mastered beef heart and chicken. No more runs. I used Slipper Elm Bark for her digestion. Now we are off to a great start again! Carolyn

leslie <lbuxx@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi guys. I think I'm prob doing a newbie thing here and moved a
little too fast with my GSD. My bad and boy am I paying for it!

Too bad I don't have one of those dogs that will wake me to go outside.

Can anyone give me a good amount of pumpkin to firm things up a bit
for a 75# GSD? Nothing like having to clean the carpet first thing in
the morning......

Thanks
Leslie

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4a. Re: Guinness' progress
Posted by: "Lyse Garant" lyse_garant@yahoo.com lyse_garant
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 10:57 am ((PDT))

Holy mackeral. Guinness, remember him, the 6 crap-a-day crap eater? I've been doing the raw thang for only 2 days, and today he only dooted one time, a small one too! Never expected such fast results. So far, just the beef, maybe an egg tonight.
Lyse & Guinness

chele519 <chele519@yahoo.com> wrote:
It might have been but the chicken she gets is enhanced too, I think.
Other than organic, that is the only thing I can seem to find and I
can't afford organic. The other dog has been having the same thing as
she always gets so hers is more strange.
Michele

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Casey Post" <mikken@...> wrote:
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> Michele,
>
> Was it enhanced at all? Some dogs just don't tolerate enhanced meats...
>
> Casey
>

Lyse

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5a. Re: Hi guys! Some ?s about GSDs, puppies, and RAW diet :)
Posted by: "kimberlykay1119" kimberlykay119@sbcglobal.net kimberlykay1119
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 10:57 am ((PDT))

Hi! Congratulations on your new pup! I have 3 GSDs and I would
> loudly recommend waiting until the pup is 8 weeks of age to pick
him
> up. He desperatly needs that socialization time with the other
pups
> and mom.
>
> As to the raw, no worries about his little teeth. Our youngest
just
> turned 6 months and we started him on raw at about 10 weeks. No
> teeth problems or anything. We started with chicken leg quarters
> and worked our way from there. I would recommend stocking up on
> some whole fryer chickens cut in half and then in half again. You
> can feed a leg/thigh portion in the AM and a breast/wing portion
in
> the PM. Wings by themselves for an 18 lb dog have too much bone
and
> not enough meat. Your pup needs lots of meat. Look for chicken
> that says "minimally processed" on the package. Hope this is a
good
> start for you.
>
> Kimberly

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5b. Re: Hi guys! Some ?s about GSDs, puppies, and RAW diet :)
Posted by: "Jaimie Young" jaimiey@gmail.com nadiachef06
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 12:06 pm ((PDT))

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I am new to this myself, but to echo what i have heard on this list
(and since no one has yet responded to the last part of your
message):

You don't need ground patties or ground anything. good news for
your budget! :-). I started my 9 week old Ridgeback puppy on raw
(she weighed about 17 lbs) and her teeth were amazingly capeable of
crunching up chicken quarters, turkey, and tearing the meat off of
anything else (once we worked her up to a variety of proteins).
Whole hunks of meat with a bone in there somewhere are good
exercise, and provide great teeth cleaning. The ground can actually
get stuck in their teeth. People here say that if you get some for
an amazing deal, or free, it is ok to feed ground but it is not the
first choice.

Probiotics seem to be a touchy subject, but they are not necessary.
Personally, I only give them if I am required to administer an
antibiotic, to balance them out (because antibiotics give one of my
dogs the runs).

Good luck with your puppy! We've just gone through a puppy with
kibble and are raising a puppy on raw (now that we know about raw,
both dogs are on it of course), and the raw fed pup has had less
mouthing, less habitual chewing, and has been calmer overall. I'm
sure part of this is personality difference between the two, but
with no grains to digest and a good workout at dinnertime, with lots
of teeth and jaw action required, i bet raw has something to do with
it too!

Jaimie
Shaman & Stella

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kimberlykay1119"
<kimberlykay119@...> wrote:
>
> Hi! Congratulations on your new pup! I have 3 GSDs and I would
> > loudly recommend waiting until the pup is 8 weeks of age to pick
> him
> > up. He desperatly needs that socialization time with the other
> pups
> > and mom.
> >
> > As to the raw, no worries about his little teeth. Our youngest
> just
> > turned 6 months and we started him on raw at about 10 weeks. No
> > teeth problems or anything. We started with chicken leg quarters
> > and worked our way from there. I would recommend stocking up on
> > some whole fryer chickens cut in half and then in half again.
You
> > can feed a leg/thigh portion in the AM and a breast/wing portion
> in
> > the PM. Wings by themselves for an 18 lb dog have too much bone
> and
> > not enough meat. Your pup needs lots of meat. Look for chicken
> > that says "minimally processed" on the package. Hope this is a
> good
> > start for you.
> >
> > Kimberly
>

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5c. Re: Hi guys! Some ?s about GSDs, puppies, and RAW diet :)
Posted by: "Sunshine S. Patron" sbr_minirex@yahoo.com sbr_minirex
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 12:06 pm ((PDT))

Hello Tamatha,
My GSD was 7 1/2 weeks old when we brought her home and started her
immediately on RAW. We started with chicken leg quarters for the
first week and a half then upgraded her to a whole 1/2 chicken split
down the middle. Her second protein source which we added 3 weeks
into her diet was an entire bone in pork picnic shoulder. We also
found 2 weeks later that whole Beef Tongue was also a BIG hit!

When we fed, we let her consume as much as she wanted to eat within a
reasonable amount of time... for instance, we didn't expect her to
finish the whole picnic shoulder in one sitting, nor did we expect her
to eat her fill within 15-20 minutes - puppy teeth & puppy muscles
need a little more time to get off those nice pieces of meat. We left
her to eat for about 30-45 minutes at each sitting as long as she was
still interested in eating it. When she walked away, it normally
meant she was done and had a good lean/full tummy to prove it.

Not everyone would agree, but this was our frequency of feeding:
0-2 months - fed 4-5 times a day
2-5 months - fed 3-4 times a day
5-8 months - fed 3 times a day
8-12 months - fed 2 times a day
12-18 months - fed once daily
18+ - Gorge & Fast meals (Gorged 3-4x a week, Fasted the remaining days)

I'm not sure if it was her genetics or if it was due to feeding her
larger pieces at each meal, but we noticed she grew in very well
muscled shoulders, neck, back and legs by the end of the first month
of feeding her this way. We did not crush bones for her, we let her
tell us what she was able to handle and what she wasn't - and that
changed with almost every meal... she started to show confidence with
the larger bone pieces at around 2 1/2 months into the diet.

I personally wouldn't worry about supplements until your pup is a bit
older and shows that it may need a little more umph to it's diet.
With my GSD, I've stuck to the concept of feeding larger portions at
each sitting and at least twice a week 'supplementing' with a whole
'prey model style' rabbit or two to round things out giving her as
balanced of a diet that I feel works for her. I fast her about twice
a week just to clear out her system, which she has proven to me is no
big deal for her. She's now coming up on 2yrs old and has by far been
the best raised pup that I've had: Gleaming white teeth, no bad
breath, no body odor, no fleas, no massive land mines, and best of all
- her shedding is only limited to the change of the seasons and only
for about 2-3 weeks TOPS!!!

You'll probably get as many opinions and suggestions as there are
number of people in the world... but my advice to you is take in all
suggestions, think them through logically and then come up with your
own routine that you feel is best for your pup and your schedule. But
most importantly, listen to your pup... if he/she is looking thin or
is still hungry after a meal, feed more... if he/she is getting to fat
or pudgy, feed less.

Hope this helps,
Sunshine & Canine Trio including GSD 'Ms. Kajsa Commotion'

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Hllywoodcaper7@... wrote:
>Now we are starting on the right path from the beginning with our new
puppy;
> also a GSD. So, since this is our first puppy on the RAW diet and,
of course,
> we have only limited exposure of this diet from our prior
experience, I am in
> need of some help. :)

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6a. Re: Cushings Disease
Posted by: "Anais" missanna1_2000@yahoo.com missanna1_2000
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 11:25 am ((PDT))

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Hello.....\

Have you tried glandular therepies? I work at a "all
natural,holistic,wellness" pet supply store. The owner has a female
pit whose thyroid crashed a couple of years ago after a round of
vaccs..she is no longer vaccinating, and has done glandular
therepies and the dog is doing amazing!!!!! Just thought i would
give you something else to look at as an option. btw...my best
friend has a standard poodle with Addison's who we are looking into
this for. Her sister has a black lab with cushings, and switching
him from kibble has lessened his cushings symptoms, not made them go
away, but definatly lessened!!!!

Good luck to you both.......
Anna

> > A friend of mine has a Border Collie (I think it's 8yr old) that
has
> > Cushings Disease (see
> > http://www.kateconnick.com/library/cushingsdisease.html). Does
anybody
> > have any experience of whether or not a raw fed diet would help
> > alleviate this condition?
> >
> > Mal Firth
>
> Hi Mal,
>
> My Standard Poodle has Addisons Disease which is the opposite of
> Cushings disease. My understanding of the two diseases, is that in
> Cushings, the adrenals supply too much mineralocorticoids and
> glucocorticoids, in Addisons disease, the adrenal glands don't
work.
> The appropriate medicine in either case makes the disease
manageable.
> I feed Gus a species appropriate raw diet and he does terrific.
But
> diet alone will not manage either of these diseases.
>
> Liz
> >
>

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7a. Re: Work Wonders book
Posted by: "themilochs" themilochs@yahoo.com themilochs
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 11:37 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Schlesinger"
<ienjoybeingagirl@...> wrote:
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> On page 100 in the book regarding what to feed your dog it says "Feed
table scraps/ pureed fruits and vegetable peelings as available"

**** I don't think he means to imply regularly, just as leftovers or
what have you. I personally don't, and most that I know do not either.

The vet said continue giving her bones but don't let her have too much
at once.

**** I think it's great your vet is in favor of species appropriate
feeding. I agree with Andrea in her definition of meaty bone, not just
bone.

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8a. Re: Work Wonders book - I tried signing that - sorry
Posted by: "themilochs" themilochs@yahoo.com themilochs
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 11:40 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Schlesinger"
<ienjoybeingagirl@...> wrote:

**** Itchy send button, apologies mod team.

-- Jamie M.

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9a. Re: Agression
Posted by: "Michael Bynum" mdbynum@gmail.com aeroemike
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 12:03 pm ((PDT))

I'm surprised so many people seem to be OK with this. I'm not feeding raw
yet. Still trying to get a feel for it. But, a dog being food aggressive
is not acceptable to me. What if your dog gets a hold of something that
could hurt him and he doesn't want to give it to you? Just let him have
it? I don't think so. Or what if a child tries to take the bone away? I'd
start implementing NILIF (nothing in life is free). And instead of taking
the bone away, trade it for something really nice like a special treat or
toy, so he gets the idea that it is not a big deal if you try to take the
bone away.

Mike B.

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9b. Re: Agression
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 1:19 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Bynum" <mdbynum@...>
wrote:
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> And instead of taking
> the bone away, trade it for something really nice like a
> special treat or
> toy, so he gets the idea that it is not a big deal if you try
> to take the
> bone away.

Mike,
I don't think we are so "ok" with food aggression as we are not ok
with the methods often used to "train" dogs not to be food
aggressive. Most of the time people will go up to the dog while he
is eating and do things like rub his back, pull his ears, pull his
tail, take food away and just generally harrass the dog while he is
eating. Instead of teaching the dog not to be aggressive, this
method often creates an aggressive dog.

From the tone of the original post in this thread, I think most
people got the idea this is what was happening with this dog. I
know its the impression I got.

If you are going to teach its ok for you to take food from him, the
method you mentioned is the correct way. Also you must realize its
pretty diffucult to find an item that is more valuable to the dog
than a bone. Thats why I suggested to the poster to find a postiive
reinforcement trainer to teach him the proper method.

Again, in my 15 years of dog ownership and over 4 1/2 years of
feeding raw, I never found it necessary to take food from a dog. I
have had to take shoes, pocketbooks, wallets, etc away from them
though. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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10. Tooth extraction question
Posted by: "Kasandra" klhesek@yahoo.com klhesek
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 12:07 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone,

One of my GSDs broke a canine last week and went in to have it removed
this morning. My question is, are there any special considerations I
should take when feeding him while he heals? No bone/less bone? Or
should I just feed him and let him figure out what he personally can
and cannot handle?

I'm just worried that he'll overtax the gums and open up the wound.
I'm sick of giving the vet money. :P

TIA for any advice.
Kasandra, Gypsy, and the sore-mouthed Shady

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11a. Re: Lethargic dogs
Posted by: "Tracy" tracy.ramey@sbcglobal.net veganmomma1
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 12:08 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Bearhair <bearhair@...> wrote:

My one year old lab mellowed out quite a bit after switching to raw.
I have heard (from this list) that eating raw does tend to calm them
down. Are they acting like they don't feel good or are they just
extra laid back? Mine seems to be fine, just calmer, which is
great 'cause she was super hyper before. She still plays with my
other dog just like before, but now she knows when to calm down.

Hope all is well!
Tracy

> Karen wrote:
>
> >My daughter switched her dogs (German Shep and corgi) to raw
serveral months ago. They are adjusting ok to the raw diet,
however, she says that they have lost their energy. Neither dog is
as energetic or as playful as they used to be.
> >
> >

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12a. Raw and vacations
Posted by: "trayc2244" BreeZ119@catt.com trayc2244
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 1:19 pm ((PDT))

Hello,
We are going on vacation in a month and we are taking Mac with us. We
will be gone for 4-5 days and it's an eight hour drive one way. What
is the best way to feed raw "on the go"? I am desperate for advice. I
don't even know how to attempt this. Thanks.

Tracy

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12b. Re: Raw and vacations
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 1:37 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Tracy!
Feed a gorge meal early in the day on the day before you leave.
Plenty of stops for water, leg stretching and to potty on the way.
Light meal or snack the next day.
Normal or light meal the day after that.
Same procedure for the trip back.
If you haven't fed Big Food or gorge/fast before, you have the month
to introduce it.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Hello,
> We are going on vacation in a month and we are taking Mac with us. We
> will be gone for 4-5 days and it's an eight hour drive one way. What
> is the best way to feed raw "on the go"? I am desperate for advice. I
> don't even know how to attempt this. Thanks.
>
> Tracy
>

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12c. Re: Raw and vacations
Posted by: "trayc2244" BreeZ119@catt.com trayc2244
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 1:50 pm ((PDT))

Thanks Giselle,
I have to ask, what is a gorge meal? I don't know that I have heard of
that.
Also, Do you usually take raw food with you or buy it once you are
where you are going.

Tracy

> If you haven't fed Big Food or gorge/fast before, you have the month
> to introduce it.
> TC
> Giselle

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13. Fermented stomach grass
Posted by: "pitbullanholder" pitbullanholder@yahoo.com pitbullanholder
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 1:20 pm ((PDT))

I ordered some fermented beef stomach grass from prey4pets and I have
tried it on the dogs. Only a tablespoon to see how they reacted.
Well that night the puppy (8 weeks old) who has been on raw now for 3
weeks had a vomitting episode that lasted a few hours. Does anyone
have any experience with fermented grass?

Angela

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14a. Re: labwork
Posted by: "m_towslee" m_towslee@yahoo.com m_towslee
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 1:20 pm ((PDT))

Hi there...
I have been on the list for awhile - there are so many discussions
out there I rarely get time to join in, but this is very relevant to
me...

Back to the original post, I also have just had my vet tell me that
my dog's BUN level is elevated, at 31. He is a 3yr old border
collie and has been raw fed for about 9 months. She said the other
kidney enzyme was normal, that hydration was a little below normal,
and that hemoglobin was slightly down but still normal. She is
concerned that the raw diet (obviously very high in protein) is
putting too much strain on his kidneys, and worries that they will
give out before the rest of him does. She suggested adding rolled
oats to his diet. Well, my husband and I have dogs, not horses, and
we'd rather not do that. : ) If anything, I'd rather cut the meat
a bit with some chopped up veggies, so we've started adding a bit in.

I've been reading a lot and many people out there acknowledge that
BUN levels for raw fed dogs will often be higher than for kibble-fed
dogs. The thing I'm unable to discern is how high is too high for
their kidneys to tolerate long term?

Someone suggested fasting before bloodwork, but my vet said that
will not give us accurate levels, it won't show us the levels he's
usually walking around with...

A vet friend suggested we do urinalysis with albuminiuria, as that
will show kidney damage before the BUN does. Still, my question
remains, how high of a BUN level is too high for the kidneys? Anyone
familiar with this or know of any studies that has been done?

Thanks!
Mari
www.northcoastdogs.com

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Laura Wilburn <lamb60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I have been a contributor to this list for the past year or so
and have just been lurking as of late. But, I have a question for
the old timers on this list. I have been feeding RAW close to 2
years and recently had blood work drawn on my two goldens age 1 and
4. (My 4 yo is an intact male and the one year old has not been
spayed.) Both urine came back with high PH and WBC's. I am told
WBC's can be common in intact males. And my females blood work
showed a sligh elevation in BUN and Urea Nitrogen. My vet knows
(and accepts) they are RAW fed and said it could be diet related.
Any thoughts? I am wondering because our guys are getting a higher
protein diet than kibble fed dogs, does this indeed affect lab
values?
> Laura
>
>
> Laura Wilburn
> www.pathfindergoldens.com
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15a. Squid?
Posted by: "temy1102" tammy.a.jp@gmail.com temy1102
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 1:22 pm ((PDT))

hmm i just did a search for any previous posts about this delectable
creature, and all i came up with was hundreds of posts about things
that are "squidgy."

so i picked up a couple today for less than $2/lb to see if groves
would dig them. just wanted to check and make sure that squid are not
the kryptonite of dogs or anything. oh, and i declined to get them
cleaned, so she could partake of their organs and ink and such.

tammy & grover soon to be a squid eater

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15b. Re: Squid?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 1:45 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Tammy!
Squid sounds like a fun meal for a dog.
And squidgy, too.
Not that it will be a problem, but there is a thin piece of cartilage,
called a 'spoon' in squid. In case it turns up during the carnage. ; )
People eat squid, and if Grover likes organs and fish, he may like 'em.
Let us know!
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> hmm i just did a search for any previous posts about this delectable
> creature, and all i came up with was hundreds of posts about things
> that are "squidgy."
>
> so i picked up a couple today for less than $2/lb to see if groves
> would dig them. just wanted to check and make sure that squid are not
> the kryptonite of dogs or anything. oh, and i declined to get them
> cleaned, so she could partake of their organs and ink and such.
>
> tammy & grover soon to be a squid eater
>

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15c. Re: Squid?
Posted by: "Michael Bynum" mdbynum@gmail.com aeroemike
Date: Mon Jul 9, 2007 1:49 pm ((PDT))

>>oh, and i declined to get them cleaned, so she could partake of their
organs and ink and such.

I'm still learning about raw, but you might want to remove the beak before
you feed the squid. They've been found in sperm whale undigested (the giant
variety) and they're pretty sharp.

Mike B.

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