Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 11794

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Bone shards - questions
From: Courtney
1b. Re: Bone shards - questions
From: costrowski75

2a. Re: Trying to get my little guy on bones, etc.
From: Eve
2b. Re: Trying to get my little guy on bones, etc.
From: Giselle
2c. Re: Trying to get my little guy on bones, etc.
From: carnesbill

3a. Re: Can't get a solid poop! (was New puppy won't eat)
From: Brad and Pam Barnes
3b. Re: Can't get a solid poop! (was New puppy won't eat)
From: Sandee Lee

4a. Re: one more Q, am I wrong for chopping...
From: carnesbill
4b. Re: one more Q, am I wrong for chopping...
From: Lyse Garant
4c. Re: And ONE more???
From: Lyse Garant
4d. Re: And ONE more???
From: Giselle
4e. Some feeding questions
From: jeff wissler

5a. Re: vomitting as well...
From: Lyse Garant

6a. Re: Keeping it all clean
From: Sandee Lee
6b. Re: Keeping it all clean
From: Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com

7a. Just fed a beef testicle...
From: rach9876
7b. Re: Just fed a beef testicle...
From: Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com
7c. Re: Just fed a beef testicle...
From: Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com

8a. Re: New member with a 4 month old bullmastiff from Russia
From: Yuliya Brown

9a. picky eater
From: Becky Brooks (Marsh)
9b. Re: picky eater
From: Sandee Lee
9c. Re: picky eater
From: Giselle
9d. Re: picky eater
From: becky brooks
9e. Re: picky eater
From: becky brooks

10a. Re: Black Lab in serious need of help
From: Yuliya Brown

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1a. Re: Bone shards - questions
Posted by: "Courtney" courtneyredhead@yahoo.com courtneyredhead
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:16 pm ((PDT))

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I'm finding these now and again. Not poking through stools like a Safari tracker... even I
have my limits! LOL I notice the shards as they are either sticking out or can be found near
the 'pile'.

They don't seem to mind these, I do. I'm wondering if they are causing internal distress as
they travel through their systems.

I can certainly 'beef up' on what I'm giving them. Most of the items are pretty meaty. The
ribs are not, but they seem to love to chew on them!

I'll try giving more meat and see what happens. The majority of their meals are very meaty.

Thanks so much for your suggestions!
Courtney & pups

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1b. Re: Bone shards - questions
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:44 pm ((PDT))

"Courtney" <courtneyredhead@...> wrote:
> They don't seem to mind these, I do. I'm wondering if they are
causing internal distress as
> they travel through their systems.
*****
I think by now you'd have recognized indications of distress.

I can certainly 'beef up' on what I'm giving them. Most of the items
are pretty meaty. The
> ribs are not, but they seem to love to chew on them!
*****
Beef ribs ARE good for chewing. I'm not necessarily singling beef
ribs out. However, I've yet to meet a "very meaty" pork neck bone
and unless you are feeding all parts of a chicken you are probably
relying on less meaty chicken parts. If you feed wings or backs or
necks without either a. larger whacks of chicken or b. added meat,
you are feeding pretty darn bony parts.

So I'm sticking with my theory.
Yes add meat, at least to see if it makes a difference.

Let us know how it turns out.
Chris O

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2a. Re: Trying to get my little guy on bones, etc.
Posted by: "Eve" loulou_bean@yahoo.com loulou_bean
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:17 pm ((PDT))

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Thanks Jeni!

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2b. Re: Trying to get my little guy on bones, etc.
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:44 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Eve!

> Here's my next round of questions:
>
> 1. Every so often he gets a funny smell from his
> mouth. Don't know if it's coming from his stomach or
> from his teeth. (which are yellow, a couple bordering
> brown--after just getting them cleaned at the vet a
> month ago mind you). I am worried this might be a
> bigger problem. How can I get him to start chomping on
> and consuming bones so maybe he can "brush" his teeth
> and hopefully fix this stinky problem? I seriously can
> smell it from across the room--this is worrying me.

**** This can be from the still tartary teeth, or from his stomach. It
takes awhile for a dog's digestive system to adjust to optimum from
kibble. Give it some time. He will get 'brushing' action from ripping
and shearing chunks of meat, too. ****
>
> 2. What are some good second options to chicken for
> going into next week? I am not into giving whole
> animals with fur and all attached. I want to keep this
> fairly bearable for myself as well.

**** You could stay with chicken for awhile longer. Its not written in
stone that you have to add another protein right away. Chicken has the
most edible bones of the readily available protein sources. You could
get some Game hens if he still isn't eating bone. These are chickens,
just younger, with softer bones. Are you adding in the heart and
gizzards, with a tiny bit of liver to each meal? After that; turkey,
pork, beef, fish, rabbit.... ****
>
> 3. Is an organ (if given in a larger amount)
> considered one full meal?

**** I don't recommend that you feed a meal of just organ right now.
Add bits of organ to 'regular' meals. Too much 'squidgy' organ can
cause runny poops. ****
>
> 4. It's hard to measure if he ate the correct
> percentage from what's left on the chicken. I let him
> just eat the chicken until he walked away from it as
> it seemed like he was full. Is this ok?
>
**** After you've been feeding him for a few weeks, you should be able
to tell better if he's getting enough or too much. Get used to feeling
his ribs, backbone and hip bones every few days. If they get too bony,
feed him more. If they start to develop a pad of flesh between them
and your fingers, cut back a little. ****

> 5. Would ground bone suffice sometimes for his fill of
> bone? How do I go about serving this and where would I
> find it? I think someone answered this already but
> can't find it but, what are a few good easy, edible
> bones for him? How will he know he needs to eat the
> bone? For some reason I don't see him wanting to rip
> into a bone

**** Remember, you only need about 10% bone in his overall diet, and
he doesn't have to get some every day. You can not worry 'bout it
until he gets used to eating raw and starts to crunch the bones. You
might cut into the gristle at the ends of the bones and let it hang
off partially, like 'ribboning' the meat. Ground bone can form
together in a lump like cement - not a good idea to feed this. ****
>
> 6. I haven't seen much on this list about water. I've
> read that it's better to give them filtered or even
> bottled water vs. regular tap because of chemicals,
> etc. Any feedback?

**** I give Bea the water I drink, from my well. If its good enough
for you, its good enough for your dog, I think. Most raw fed dogs
don't consume as much water on raw as they did on kibble. Raw has a
higher natural water content. Kibble is very dry, and salty, so dogs
have an abnormal thirst for water so they can digest it. ****
>
> 7. Can I sometimes feed small chunks of meat as long
> as he's chewing it? Or is it almost certain that he
> will just swallow them?

**** Since he's a gulper, you want to keep the meat large and
difficult to scarf down. ****
>
> 8. I am still going to give him fish oil. I used to
> open it up and mix it into his food. Now that won't be
> so easy. How do I give it to him? The ones I have are
> called Skin Formula 3V Caps, which contains fish oil
> and omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids. Is this what
> I should be giving? Suggestions?

**** Fish oil is fine. Make sure it is Salmon or Fish Body oil. No
need for vitamin E or soy, or any other additives. Let him eat it as a
treat from your hand, if he will, or drip it on his meat or bone. ****
>
> Again, apologies for the lengthy email. Just want to
> make it out of the first week without doing too much
> damage! :)

**** NP, glad to help.
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> Thanks again,
> Eve, NY

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2c. Re: Trying to get my little guy on bones, etc.
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:58 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Eve <loulou_bean@...> wrote:
>
> 1. How can I get him to start chomping on
> and consuming bones so maybe he can "brush" his teeth
> and hopefully fix this stinky problem?

Feed him boney pieces and make sure he finishes them before you
offer him more meat. He will probably fill up on meat only if he
has enough of that to make a meal. Feed him a piece of chicken and
if he doesn't finish it, put it up until next meal then re-feed it.
That way he will get bone as well as meat.

> 2. What are some good second options to chicken for
> going into next week?

I suggest turkey, then pork the next later then beef then fish but
it's really not critical. I would wait 3 or 4 weeks on beef because
of its richness but many feed it earlier with no problem. Others
have problems. I wouldn't worry about a 2nd meat until he is eating
all the chicken parts including bones.

> 3. Is an organ (if given in a larger amount)
> considered one full meal?

You don't want to feed that much organ. Just a little glob
occasionally as part of a meal is sufficient.

> 4. It's hard to measure if he ate the correct
> percentage from what's left on the chicken.

Put the remainder back in the fridge and feed THAT PART again next
meal. This will assure that the entire chicken was eaten over time.

> 5. Would ground bone suffice sometimes for his fill of
> bone?

NO, ground bone will not help his dental problem. There is also
controversy about how much good ground bone does nutrionwise also.
I would avoid it.

> what are a few good easy, edible
> bones for him?

All chicken bones

> How will he know he needs to eat the
> bone?

He's a dog. Dogs know those things. Usually the problem is
preventing them from eating too much bone. :)

> For some reason I don't see him wanting to rip
> into a bone

It's too easy for him to rip into the soft meat you are giving him.
As long as you give him more than enough meat, he may never try to
consume bone.

> 6. I haven't seen much on this list about water. I've
> read that it's better to give them filtered or even
> bottled water vs. regular tap bacause of chemicals,
> etc. Any feedback?

Tap water is fine. A lot of bottled water is tap water anyway.
Don't worry about it.

> 7. Can I sometimes feed small chunks of meet as long
> as he's chewing it?

NO, he could swallow it whole and he may not eat bones as long as
you keep handing him meat chunks.

> Or is it almost certain that he
> will just swallow them?

Yes that will happen. I feed my 2 Great Danes sometimes a chunk of
beef heart that is the size of my fist and they swallow that whole.

> 8. I am still going to give him fish oil.

Don't worry about fish oil for a while. In a couple of months you
will have your other problems worked out and then you can figure out
the fish oil question.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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3a. Re: Can't get a solid poop! (was New puppy won't eat)
Posted by: "Brad and Pam Barnes" miningcamp_labs@yahoo.com miningcamp_labs
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:58 pm ((PDT))

Hi Leanne,
I'm brand new to raw feeding. . . only five days into
it. Somewhere I read to give my dogs digestive
enzymes and probiotics for two weeks before starting
the raw diet and for six weeks into it. I ran out a
couple of days ago, so I thought I'd see how they do.
We haven't had any diarrhea problems so far. I have
seven labs ranging from 9 mo to 6 years. Do any of
you veterans recommend this?
Pam and her Mining Camp Labs

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3b. Re: Can't get a solid poop! (was New puppy won't eat)
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:11 pm ((PDT))

Pam,

Digestive enzymes and probiotics are generally are not necessary. Save the
supplements for when they are needed!! :)

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Brad and Pam Barnes" <miningcamp_labs@yahoo.com>
> I'm brand new to raw feeding. . . only five days into
> it. Somewhere I read to give my dogs digestive
> enzymes and probiotics for two weeks before starting
> the raw diet and for six weeks into it. I ran out a
> couple of days ago, so I thought I'd see how they do.
> We haven't had any diarrhea problems so far. I have
> seven labs ranging from 9 mo to 6 years. Do any of
> you veterans recommend this?

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4a. Re: one more Q, am I wrong for chopping...
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:58 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Lyse Garant <lyse_garant@...>
wrote:
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> The idea of putting a chicken leg on the floor...and I don't
> have a yard yet. Also the idea of having an entire bone and
> meat gulped down at once doesn't work for me yet.

He is a dog. Thats the way things work for a dog. Get used to him
eating animal parts on the floor. If it makes you feel better limit
him to the kitchen and put down a plastic table cloth for him to eat
on.

> Am I wrong for chopping his beef and chicken [so far
> skinless and boneless breast on the chicken and cheap steaks
> for the beef] and putting it in a bowl?

Yes. He has teeth. Let him use them. Give him some bones. They
are a necessary part of the diet.

> Also, I will be adding chicken bone-age to the mix today
> if possible. I think I need a scale so I can more precisely
> weigh the meat so I don't accidently over feed which might
> be causing the puking.

Don't worry so much about the weight of the food. If you think he
is puking because you are feeding too much, feed less and see what
happens. I already told you in another post why I think he is
puking.

> No, the chicken was not enhanced as far as I know, it
> was skinless/boneless breasts.

I wouldn't care if it was. I havn't been convinced that a little
saline solution will have an adverse effect on a dog. I strongly
some people say "enhanced chicken" because they don't know what else
the problem might be.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4b. Re: one more Q, am I wrong for chopping...
Posted by: "Lyse Garant" lyse_garant@yahoo.com lyse_garant
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:58 pm ((PDT))

Yeah, I know, but I do have a 4 year old daughter, no yard. Guess I'll remove his sleeping pad and feed him in his crate.
My daughter's already had digestive problems since we got Guinness. I have to consider her.

John and Jeni Blackmon <jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Yes, he should be doing the chopping with his own teeth, that is best for him, and you should give him a big enough piece that he has to chew it, so if needed give him half the chicken, and let him go. Then take some away when you think he has had his fill. And it isn't supposed to work for you silly, it's supposed to work for the dog:)
Jeni

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4c. Re: And ONE more???
Posted by: "Lyse Garant" lyse_garant@yahoo.com lyse_garant
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:28 pm ((PDT))

Ok Ok, so whole pieces, I get it. One last question. He, immediately after eating, might lick my daughter, chew her toys, or whatever, they are all over each other. Isn't she getting raw chicken all over herself?
Don't laugh at me, she's my one and only. I care more for her than anything/anyone.
If I put the piece on the floor, kitchen has no door, he'd immediately take it into the living room, so I'm going to feed him in his pen, or shut him up in the bathroom.
Lyse & Guinness [and Natalie!!]

carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Lyse Garant <lyse_garant@...>
wrote:
>
> The idea of putting a chicken leg on the floor...and I don't
> have a yard yet. Also the idea of having an entire bone and
> meat gulped down at once doesn't work for me yet.

> Am I wrong for chopping his beef and chicken [so far
> skinless and boneless breast on the chicken and cheap steaks
> for the beef] and putting it in a bowl?

Yes. He has teeth. Let him use them. Give him some bones. They
are a necessary part of the diet.

> No, the chicken was not enhanced as far as I know, it
> was skinless/boneless breasts.

Bill Carnes
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Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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4d. Re: And ONE more???
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:40 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Lyse!
Baby gates are very useful, for dogs and kids.
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I have a one and only, too. And I was very protective, believe me.
He's thirty now, but used to shut himself in crates with the dogs at
shows, complain to me about the dogs as if they were sibs, and share
out dog treats including himself when he got hungry and food wasn't
forthcoming fast enough to suit him. He lived to grow up to be a
pretty normal husband and father. He does have a strong affinity for
wolves, tho' ; )
TC
Giselle

<snip>
> Don't laugh at me, she's my one and only. I care more for her than
anything/anyone.
> If I put the piece on the floor, kitchen has no door, he'd
immediately take it into the living room, so I'm going to feed him in
his pen, or shut him up in the bathroom.
> Lyse & Guinness [and Natalie!!]

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4e. Some feeding questions
Posted by: "jeff wissler" wisslewj@yahoo.com wisslewj
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:09 pm ((PDT))

Hey all,

I will soon come into quite a bounty of free meat as
well as organs etc and had a few questions about
these.

First off, beef spleen? Are there any precautions to
giving these? Are there any hormones they can get too
much of there or is it more like liver? Feed what
they can handle every so often?

And the same question goes for beef kidneys. Just
feed with no worries?

Next, wild deer and rabbit. Here we are talking whole
animals. (cut up as these are chihuahuas I am
feeding!) Brains, guts, skin, noses, eyes (eeew) etc.
and the glands.

First, any precautions to wild deer or rabbit?
Second, how do I regulate what they can get and what
they cant? How much thyroid gland or adrenal for
example? My buddy is butchering them himself so I can
have whatever I want. Are there any inedible parts?

I know these things are healthy and wild dogs self
regulate but honestly mine would eat plastic if it was
covered in blood! Also chi's would never down a deer
and hence the glands are probably too large for any
one sitting. (not to mention toxic in excess.)

Its rare that I have access to so much wild deer meat
and parts. Since the Govt, is so hell bent on
regulating away the healthy organs and such, I barely
get them. I get the liver, heart and tongue and thats
it as thats all I CAN get. But now I have a bounty
and need to know how to feed it lol.

Any help is appreciated.

God Bless
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5a. Re: vomitting as well...
Posted by: "Lyse Garant" lyse_garant@yahoo.com lyse_garant
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:02 pm ((PDT))

I have a welsh terrier, weighs about 12 pounds now, adult weight s/b 20 pounds. I started him on beef, actually, and intro'd the chicken last night. He did fine with the beef.
So do you still think I should switch over to chicken for two weeks? I'm about to go to the store...haha...
Oh, and vomitting as well... that was sequed after another's email about vomitting, so it meant my dog's doing that too.

John and Jeni Blackmon <jonjeni777@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Lyse,
Vomitting as well as what else?
And why are you doing beef and Chicken?
When you start out with raw, you should always stick to one source of meat, so you can pinpoint a problem, if one should occur.
You should back off on one meat, I would suggest sticking with just chicken, and doing the whole chicken, not just the meat. Your dog needs the bones too. And the organs. Use the whole chicken. Read the archives here, do some research. But stay on chicken for at least a couple of weeks before you try a different meat source.
What kind of dog do you have, how big is it, and what exactly are you feeding it and how much are you feeding?
And vomiting only two times, is not really bad, maybe just getting used to raw. Does it eat it back up again afterwards? If so, that is ok, and perfectly normal, and no need to worry.
Let us know some more info, and keep us posted, this place is a wealth of information.
Jeni

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6a. Re: Keeping it all clean
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:19 pm ((PDT))

Tamatha,

You definitely don't want to feed on treated lawn...in fact I would keep a
young child and dog off treated lawn completely.

I'm sure you could find a tray but don't count on him leaving the food on it
either. I use pie plates to transfer my dogs meals from the kitchen to
their eating spots but the first thing they do is take the food out, lick
the bowl, then proceed to eat! :) Where ever you decide to feed,
vinegar/water is all that is necessary for cleanup.

I do feed outsize quite often, but inside I feed on towels or blankets and
throw them in the wash once in a while!!

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: <Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com>

> Outdoor feeding would do best but in inclement weather it would be a pain,
esp with
> him coming back into the house all wet. Also, I have thought of the grass
> instead of the deck, but sometimes we have it treated by the lawn care
company so
> that probably isn't the best idea either. So I am leaning to indoors but
> below is my delimma too.
>
> I was also wondering about cleanliness in the RAW feedings, esp since we
also
> have a 5 yr old child.
>
> Our floors are wood though so I am limited to vinegar and water or our
> Shaklee products.
>
> I am thinking he may not like the bowl idea at all--I wonder if they make
a
> stainless steel feeding tray. That would be cool! LOL!

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6b. Re: Keeping it all clean
Posted by: "Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com" Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com irishcateyes1
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:30 pm ((PDT))

Sounds great! Sandee :) I have some great ideas from everyone--most are
the same some are different so I like that--I have options and can switch it up
too. :)

Thanks again!

Tamatha

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7a. Just fed a beef testicle...
Posted by: "rach9876" rach9876@yahoo.com rach9876
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:29 pm ((PDT))

And to think a year ago i wouldn't even handle raw chicken. What we do
for our dogs! Anyway, yes, i just fed a raw beef testicle. I found
these at an Asian Market. It was about 10 oz. Is this an organ that is
very rich, like liver? What have your experiences been with feeding
testicles. I'm hoping it doesnt give him an upset tummy or anything.
Thanks.

Rachel(who is kind of grossed out right now) and Tyler (who is very
happy his mom is adventurous with his food!)

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7b. Re: Just fed a beef testicle...
Posted by: "Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com" Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com irishcateyes1
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:56 pm ((PDT))

YUMMY. . ugh! LOL! Taylor's Tasty Testicle Treats

ROFLOL!

Tamatha ;)

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Rachel(who is kind of grossed out right now) and Tyler (who is very
happy his mom is adventurous with his food!)

Any dog can teach a child responsibility and commitment.

A German Shepherd Dog will show the child the meaning
of dedication.

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7c. Re: Just fed a beef testicle...
Posted by: "Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com" Hllywoodcaper7@aol.com irishcateyes1
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:56 pm ((PDT))

ops! mesntt Tyler's Tasty Testicle Treats-- not Taylors LOL! You have me
all discombobulated ;) Tamatha

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A German Shepherd Dog will show the child the meaning
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8a. Re: New member with a 4 month old bullmastiff from Russia
Posted by: "Yuliya Brown" yuliya_brown@yahoo.com yuliya_brown
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:29 pm ((PDT))

Russian is not my
> first language
> and I have a hard time to explain to the butcher
> what I want ï?Š
>
> Thank you again and hoping for your advices
>
> Gabriella and Bridge (thatâ™s the dog ï?Š>

Gabriella,
I am from Russia, well formally, I am no longer there
but let me know if you have any questions. I think you
got already lots of good advices.
Yuliya

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9a. picky eater
Posted by: "Becky Brooks (Marsh)" kidcreations1@yahoo.com kidcreations1
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:31 pm ((PDT))

HI,
This is our third day of rawfeeding and our 11 mo Great Dane will not
eat the raw meat! We've tried chicken quarters and pork roast, cold,
in big chunks, cut up into bite sized pieces, searing it, seasoning it
with garlic and parmesan, cutting it to ribbons, putting it on the
deck and leaving her alone, handfeeding her... she just turns her head
away. My husband is getting concerned - any more ideas out there we
could try??? These ideas worked for our other three dogs and they are
loving their new diet, but Ruby refuses to eat. One big change is
that she used to eat with us in the kitchen and now she is outside in
the yard - we think she's used to a specific routine and doesn't like
the change. I will try letting her eat in the kitchen tomorrow, but
I'm certainly open for any other ideas anyone might have because that
could make a huge mess! Thanks,
Becky

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9b. Re: picky eater
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:48 pm ((PDT))

Hi Becky,

I would definitely bring her back into her comfort zone in the kitchen while
making the switch. Just put a towel or blanket down...or let her make a
mess and get out your vinegar! :)

Then decide what the meal is going to be, put it down and if she doesn't
eat, pick it up, put away and offer at the next meal. No hovering, begging
her, fussing over her, offering a smorgasbord! LOL

Raw is really bland. When I switched my newly adopted 6-year-old Dane, I
warmed the food and sliced into it in a few places, then sprinkled with
Parmesan (even smashing some down into the slices). It worked! It only
took a couple of meals and now he about runs me over at feeding time! :))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Becky Brooks (Marsh)" <kidcreations1@yahoo.com>
This is our third day of rawfeeding and our 11 mo Great Dane will not
eat the raw meat! We've tried chicken quarters and pork roast, cold,
in big chunks, cut up into bite sized pieces, searing it, seasoning it
with garlic and parmesan, cutting it to ribbons, putting it on the
deck and leaving her alone, handfeeding her... she just turns her head
away. My husband is getting concerned - any more ideas out there we
could try??? These ideas worked for our other three dogs and they are
loving their new diet, but Ruby refuses to eat. One big change is
that she used to eat with us in the kitchen and now she is outside in
the yard - we think she's used to a specific routine and doesn't like
the change. I will try letting her eat in the kitchen tomorrow, but
I'm certainly open for any other ideas anyone might have because that
could make a huge mess! Thanks,
Becky

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9c. Re: picky eater
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:54 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Becky!
You tried all that already, and you're only 3 days into raw feeding?
Tell me, are you sure her name isn't Princess Ruby? ; )

Feed her in the kitchen as she's used to, on a big towel.
Do this while the other dogs are eating, one of you should feed her,
the other should watch the other dogs eat.
Do *one* thing to the food, then put it down and walk away.
Do not cut up the meat.
Breathe.
Stay several feet away from her.
Sit down in a chair and turn partially away.
Don't stare at her directly.
Don't coax or talk to her.
Do not pick up the food for any reason until after you are sure she's
finished eating.
Or not.
Wait about 15 minutes for her to decide to eat.
Or not.
Take it up and put it in the fridge.
No treats, other food, sharing your food, or chewies!
Do one other thing to the food.
Offer the food again the next meal.

She will eat, but you have to have the patience to wait for her to
figure it out. Otherwise, she's training you.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> HI,
> This is our third day of raw feeding and our 11 mo Great Dane will not
> eat the raw meat! One big change is
> that she used to eat with us in the kitchen and now she is outside in
> the yard - we think she's used to a specific routine and doesn't like
> the change. I will try letting her eat in the kitchen tomorrow, but
> I'm certainly open for any other ideas anyone might have because that
> could make a huge mess! Thanks,
> Becky
>

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9d. Re: picky eater
Posted by: "becky brooks" kidcreations1@yahoo.com kidcreations1
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:09 pm ((PDT))

Sandee,
Thanks for the encouragement - I will try a meal in the kitchen right now and see how it goes!
Becky

Sandee Lee <rlee@plix.com> wrote: Hi Becky,

I would definitely bring her back into her comfort zone in the kitchen while
making the switch. Just put a towel or blanket down...or let her make a
mess and get out your vinegar! :)

Then decide what the meal is going to be, put it down and if she doesn't
eat, pick it up, put away and offer at the next meal. No hovering, begging
her, fussing over her, offering a smorgasbord! LOL

Raw is really bland. When I switched my newly adopted 6-year-old Dane, I
warmed the food and sliced into it in a few places, then sprinkled with
Parmesan (even smashing some down into the slices). It worked! It only
took a couple of meals and now he about runs me over at feeding time! :))

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Becky Brooks (Marsh)" <kidcreations1@yahoo.com>
This is our third day of rawfeeding and our 11 mo Great Dane will not
eat the raw meat! We've tried chicken quarters and pork roast, cold,
in big chunks, cut up into bite sized pieces, searing it, seasoning it
with garlic and parmesan, cutting it to ribbons, putting it on the
deck and leaving her alone, handfeeding her... she just turns her head
away. My husband is getting concerned - any more ideas out there we
could try??? These ideas worked for our other three dogs and they are
loving their new diet, but Ruby refuses to eat. One big change is
that she used to eat with us in the kitchen and now she is outside in
the yard - we think she's used to a specific routine and doesn't like
the change. I will try letting her eat in the kitchen tomorrow, but
I'm certainly open for any other ideas anyone might have because that
could make a huge mess! Thanks,
Becky

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9e. Re: picky eater
Posted by: "becky brooks" kidcreations1@yahoo.com kidcreations1
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:37 pm ((PDT))

Giselle,
I am doing precisely what you advised, right at this minute, and Ruby has just eaten one piece of chicken. You're right, she seems to be the boss around here! (for now!) :0)
Becky

Giselle <megan.giselle@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Becky!
You tried all that already, and you're only 3 days into raw feeding?
Tell me, are you sure her name isn't Princess Ruby? ; )

Feed her in the kitchen as she's used to, on a big towel.
Do this while the other dogs are eating, one of you should feed her,
the other should watch the other dogs eat.
Do *one* thing to the food, then put it down and walk away.
Do not cut up the meat.
Breathe.
Stay several feet away from her.
Sit down in a chair and turn partially away.
Don't stare at her directly.
Don't coax or talk to her.
Do not pick up the food for any reason until after you are sure she's
finished eating.
Or not.
Wait about 15 minutes for her to decide to eat.
Or not.
Take it up and put it in the fridge.
No treats, other food, sharing your food, or chewies!
Do one other thing to the food.
Offer the food again the next meal.

She will eat, but you have to have the patience to wait for her to
figure it out. Otherwise, she's training you.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> HI,
> This is our third day of raw feeding and our 11 mo Great Dane will not
> eat the raw meat! One big change is
> that she used to eat with us in the kitchen and now she is outside in
> the yard - we think she's used to a specific routine and doesn't like
> the change. I will try letting her eat in the kitchen tomorrow, but
> I'm certainly open for any other ideas anyone might have because that
> could make a huge mess! Thanks,
> Becky
>

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10a. Re: Black Lab in serious need of help
Posted by: "Yuliya Brown" yuliya_brown@yahoo.com yuliya_brown
Date: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:55 pm ((PDT))

> I have a friend who has a 3 year old black lab
> called Clyde. His vet
> has diognosed his condition as being allergic to
> house dust mites.
Hi, this seems very odd to me, just because I never
heard of such thing. Was any tests ran on the dog to
confirm the diagnosis? What I heard of,however, are
the mites that live in in dogs hair follicals that
causes hair to fall out and makes the dog completely
misirable. Try doing search on it and see if it
looks like that dogs problem.

>
> Clyde has over the last 10 months developed very
> severe itchy skin
> which causes the dog to pull out its own fur from
> its legs and feet.
I personally concern with ammount of steroids that was
put into that poor dog. and in this situation I would
try pretty much anything. so I'd say give the raw diet
a shot. Also I heard that many people sware by using
homeopathy to treat allergies, I don't have any
experience with this, but that might be another
option. Also, what does vet says causes reaction from
dust mites? I thought it's what ever waste they
produce, and there are many suggestions for how people
can minimize exposion to it. Matress covers, air
filters etc. you can look at any allergy website for
ideas.

Yuliya

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