Feed Pets Raw Food: [rawfeeding] Digest Number 11805

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1.1. Re: Cats & Raw (was: new to group)
From: succeed_2

2a. Re: Pork Neck Bones
From: geraldinebutterfield
2b. Re: Poo wrapped in mucous
From: Yasuko herron

3a. Re: Cow heads?
From: Yasuko herron

4a. Re: Little odgs
From: geraldinebutterfield

5a. Re: feeding raw while traveling
From: geraldinebutterfield

6a. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
From: Ash
6b. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
From: pet.wellness
6c. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
From: aliinfl

7a. Re: Fish Question....
From: Yasuko herron

8a. Bone
From: Hodgepodge Stuff
8b. Re: Bone
From: Daisy Foxworth
8c. Re: Bone
From: Karen Swanay
8d. Re: Bone
From: Sandee Lee

9a. nose trouble
From: tamarabajema
9b. Re: nose trouble
From: Sandee Lee
9c. Re: nose trouble
From: tamarabajema
9d. Re: nose trouble
From: carnesbill

10. Newby raw feeding question
From: angelsnoopers64859

11a. Not going to the bathroom.
From: Eve
11b. Re: Not going to the bathroom.
From: carnesbill
11c. Re: Not going to the bathroom.
From: Eve

12. Re: Linda's GSD with EPI
From: Michael Moore

13a. stinky gaaaas
From: monell2000
13b. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: Goin8@aol.com

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1.1. Re: Cats & Raw (was: new to group)
Posted by: "succeed_2" succeed_2@yahoo.com succeed_2
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:41 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Morgan" <kingbird@...> wrote:
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> The two older cats eat raw chicken very well along with a little high
> quality dry food and an occasional treat of that stinky canned cat
> food which they love.
> The other 2 cats are addicted to dry and canned cat food and are a
> bit over weight. I am trying to get them to eat raw chicken.

Cat owners: don't forget we have a sister group called Rawcat, and I
invite you to come on over and speak "cat" with us.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawcat/

We know that cats are often more difficult to transition to raw than
dogs, and we have all kinds of interesting ways to help you make that
happen. You should never try to withhold food from a cat (the way you
might for a dog) because it can lead to a serious health issue.

And yes, there are a number of cats who are addicted to kibble. Yes,
there are a number of cats who are overweight.

You may also like to take a look at the RawFedCats website. It's got
lots of great info:

http://www.rawfedcats.org/

Finally, cats (as well as dogs) benefit from a variety of meats. Other
than chicken, consider pork, lamb, duck, rabbit, beef, eggs, organs,
fish, goat, turkey, mutton, etc. And quail and cornish hen are
especially suited to helping cats transition to raw because of their
small, soft bones.

Lis

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2a. Re: Pork Neck Bones
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:41 am ((PDT))

Hi Yassy,
When I first started raw, or sometimes when I introduce a new meat,
my little maltipoo's poo will be wrapped, or contain some, mucous.
The vet said it's from something that didnt' agree with her and it's
just their way to get rid of it. I took that as her getting used to
something new. It goes away, usually in the nest poo. It does look
weird though.

geraldine

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> Wiered thing was that,while poo was all nice and firm,the poo
came out wrapped in thick and slimy mucous.
>
> How do you interpret this poo?I have seen mucous in watery poo
before when she had explosive,uncontrollable diarrhea before
changing diet,but never seen poo wrapped in mucous like this before.
I will keep her on chicken 2 more days and give her healing time.
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> > thank you
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> yassy
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2b. Re: Poo wrapped in mucous
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:13 am ((PDT))

>my little maltipoo's poo will be wrapped, or contain some, mucous. The vet said it's from >something that didnt' agree with her and it's just their way to get rid of it.

Hi,Geraldine.Thank you for your reply.I was a bit worried siting wiered thing with my dog's poo but if it is what you describe,then,I should not worry about it then.

I have not seen her poo after the wiered one yet.She usually go around 6-7pm so,I have to wait:-P

I am giving her basic chicken meal now to recover from watery poo but,if the poo in mucous meant things did not agree with her;the lamb is the cause,then I need to cut back the lamb and probably feed with chicken that she is already well on then?

If the mucous did not mean it is totally not agreeing and no feed anymore stuff,then,I will try again with the feeding way modified.

Thank you

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3a. Re: Cow heads?
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:44 am ((PDT))

>I recommend you don't let him know that you're dumping animal parts into the garbage

Hi,Lora. That was my thinking too.I was not sure if the skull is smashable or not. Never experienced before.. What does it work to smash good? Hmmmer is the best?

>Or hang it outside on your wall for a little Southwestern decor.

I have seen deer head or buffalo head with fur around on wall before but southern people decorate wall with skull????

>You might also want to hold it in another can until garbage day, so that he doesn't see the >million flies buzzing around.

Even if washing the bones,it smells as bad as tripe (although never smelled tripe before but I read it real stinky thing)?

>You'll probably have to drag the little chomper away from it before he explodes.
If I give it on her BD and, if I pull her from thing when I think she ate enough for a day for example,since she eats less than 1 lb daily,she get head 40-50 times?? It is funny.
It including bone weight so, at least 20 times I guess. What a treat for her.

Am I going to bag it and feeze as is and thaw and re-fed again next time? That probably be mean that I need to find huge freezer space... Hmm...

> I know using thosetwo terms in a search of the archives will get you the information that
> hasbeen previously covered. Why look! Here's the link:
>http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/msearch?y=gorge+fast&charset=windows-

Thank you.But it did not work,so,I tried myself by typing words but,I am noty good at serching stuff and,all I got was sort of advertisement web address and no posting things came out...Sometimes,I get lucky and get serach result but not today.. I try again later.

But, I know that cannot be fast too long,but how many days dog can faste?

Anybody who has around 30lb dog fed cow head before? How did you fed?
Pull your dog out from head and froze it for later and refed again till it gets skull only?

Thanks

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4a. Re: Little odgs
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:44 am ((PDT))

>Hi Carol,

Do you ever feed the thigh with the bone? I have a 8 lb maltipoo who
loves whole/bone in thighs-- she eats the entire thing. I haven't
tried a whole leg yet, but will soon.

geraldine

> I have a small Peke, 10 lbs.
>
> On the days I give him chicken,
>
> In the morning I will give him a leg, skin on
> sometimes he eats part of the bone and sometimes he
> doesn't.
>
> In the evening I will debone a chicken thigh and just give him
> the meat and skin.
>
>

> Carol & Charkee
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5a. Re: feeding raw while traveling
Posted by: "geraldinebutterfield" gbutterflied@comcast.net geraldinebutterfield
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:46 am ((PDT))

Hi Lisa,

We have an 8 lb maltipoo and travel in our RV a lot. She has been
all the way back to Alabama. We do short distance trips too for a
few days or weeks. I tried feeding her in the shower; she would have
nothing to do with that. I guess she didn't want to eat where she
gets her bath. When I can I feed her outside. When she has to eat
inside I'm using a plastic table cloth, folded she's small, by the
kitchen counter. I can then just wipe it clean. She still wants to
drag her food to the carpet though. When I can't feed her an rmb I
have ground meat with bone. Not having the freezer space is a
problem though. She LOVES to travel!

geraldine

How do you feed raw while traveling? Has anyone else had to deal
with this situation and how did it work out?
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6a. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
Posted by: "Ash" want4rain@yahoo.com want4rain
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:49 am ((PDT))

thank those of you for the encouragement. it is greatly appreciated!!

i will say the criticism wasnt expected nor appreciated. ive gotten
little support here off the net and quite a few here on the mailing
list have made assumptions and been quite critical of the decisions
ive made or they ahve assumed i made.

i am NOT feeding kibble, im making her foods COOKED and almost the
exact same diet my cats are fed RAW but MORE and COOKED. im feeding
cooked because the poor thing, as far as i know, has never eaten raw
and cant fight off bacteria nor parasites as well as if she were
healthy. every source of informaiton i have read on raw feeding says
bacteria and parasites are not a concern for HEALTHY cats. im not
taking the chances of her getting sicker because she is sick enough
already.

now, what i am asking is WHAT SHOULD I FOCUS ON? i am feeidng chicken
and salmon meat. should i focus on chicken livers? chicken pancreas?
brains? or should i leave offal at a reasonable dose and up just her
muscle meat? give her extra chicken skin? is a variety of different
meats more important than which parts?

what concerns should i have over having a starved young cat on my
hands? inappropriate calcium build up?

thanks!

-ashley

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:
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> "Ash" <want4rain@> wrote:
> > i dont feel she is capable of going through the first steps of
> > raw. i can not afford to have her barfing up her food for a few
> days.
> > her body can not handle the physical stress of it, let alone going
> > without that nutrition.
> *****
> Do you know she is unwilling to eat raw food? Or are you assuming
> she will not/cannot? If you haven't offered her any succulent bits
> you should at least it a try. Just because you are more comfortable
> with kibble doesn't mean she is. And there is no question at all the
> nutrition raw food delivers will be less stressful than anything
> kibble can offer.
>
>
> hats aside from the physical changes she
> > would have to adjust from being fed.... god knows what before.
> *****
> Right, who the heck knows what she ate before! Precisely. Why
> assume it was kibble? Given the hiatus between meals, perhaps this
> would be an appropriate time to try raw. While it's abundantly clear
> you cannot allow her to starve, I think you should give her a stab at
> raw before you feed kibble. This may be a case in which your comfort
> level and hers are in conflict.
>
>
> > also, when raw feeding you feed on a weekly basis. you make sure
> that
> > in a weeks time they get what they need. eat a little meat and bones
> > today. a little offal the next day... a different animal, a whole
> > fish... right now she needs as much nutrition as she can get in a
> day.
> *****
> Great excuse, doesn't work. If you have to get a bit of "everything"
> in her day by day, you do it. There is not likely a person here who
> will tell you feed "big picture" if "little picture" is what you need
> to do.
>
> The fact is, if you do feed "big picture" she will indeed get all the
> nutrition she needs, but there is no reason not to feed "complete and
> balanced" each day if you see such an approach being useful. I think
> it is your lack of confidence, experience and knowledge that leads
> you to these conclusions.
>
>
> > bottom line while raw is ideal for a healthy cat, thats beside the
> > point. she is *quite* unhealthy. a home made diet is better than
> what
> > my vets sponsored with.
> *****
> Again, close but no cigar. Raw is not the bailiwick of the the
> healthy, nor is it the realm of the wealthy. How you can expect to
> get maximum bio-available nutritional via kibble is no sense to me.
> A species appropriate diet works for big, small, young, old, healthy,
> sick, weak, strong. It will not work though if you don't feed it.
>
>
> > i also have adoptablilty to think of. while the raw movement is
> > catching on, far more people feed kibble and in all honesty, id
> settle
> > for someone who was willing to feed Wellness, as long as it wasnt
> > grocery store cat food.
> *****
> Hey, you get full marks for nailing all the prevailing arguments
> proposed by rescue operations. Still, this one is as much without
> support as your others.
>
> What happens to the cat down the road will be determined down the
> road. What you can do NOW is what you should be addressing. What
> difference YOU can make now matters now, not what SOMEONE else will
> or won't do later. You have no more reason to expect her forever
> home to feed Wellness over Friskies than feed Wellness instead of
> raw. Why even try to envision how dumbed down her diet will get?
> People can do that without your help. Feed top notch now, let the
> future invent itself.
>
> You get the highest quality, most appropriate food into the girl and
> perhaps just perhaps the adopter will a. also be a raw feeder or b.
> be inclined to switch to raw based on your recommendation. And who's
> to prevent you from choosing to place the cat with a raw household?
>
> I recommend you allow her to try bits of raw meat, including bits of
> liver, before you retreat to the known comfort of kibble; if she eats
> raw excellent but if she doesn't and you feed kibble, consider adding
> bits of raw meat to her processed food. You just never know.
>
> You might want to join rawcat.
> Post message: rawcat@yahoogroups.com
> Subscribe: rawcat-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Unsubscribe: rawcat-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Chris O
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6b. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:13 am ((PDT))

I'm sorry you're feeling defensive from the feedback you've received.

I honestly feel that feeding a malnourished cat the same raw meat as
your healthy animals is the best route. She may already have parasites
or other deficiencies that you cannot know or even correct until she
gets some meat on her bones.

If she can stomach it, i.e., doesn't regurgitate or show other signs
of distress after eating raw, I'd stick with that. If she fails to
gain weight or thrive, then you can vet her for health issues she may
have developed when she was scavenging.

If you just can't accept this as the best choice, cooking her food
won't hurt, though it does deplete the nutritional value (and creates
a picky eater.) In this case, I'd strive for a good balance of muscle
meat to organ a la the prey model.

As always when asking advice, you have to take what you get FWIW.
Pamela

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6c. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
Posted by: "aliinfl" aliinfl3@aol.com aliinfl
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:54 pm ((PDT))

Ash,I am sorry you feel attacked but, in retrospect, what would you
expect on a RAW fed board? No one here is going to whitewash their
rock solid views in order to make anyone feel better. While obviously
everyone would feel it is very commendable rescuing a little
kitty,they also have strong convictions on what is best for animals
and just want to let you know what that is, through their years of
experience and knowledge. I am only a measly lurker here, but over
and over again, I have seen people come in and explain in advance
why, in their specific "special" case they are doing things certain
ways, that clearly the board is NOT in support of, and then expect to
be reassured that what they are doing is a good thing? It just aint
gonna happen! I think everyone does understand your worries and
fears, but when they hear these same ones over and over and give
their advice only to fall on deaf ears it must get tiring for them.

In my own experience with rescuing "on the brink of death" stray
kitty's,the subject of immediate nutrition was not so much the be all
end all. It was just get food in them.Any food.Period. Raw food
doesnt treat the body any worse than crap food, so the fear of
vomiting all over the place doesnt really make a while lotta sense.In
fact, considering nature, it is far less apt to make the kitty sick
than anything else, as it is the easiest thing for an animal to
digest since it is natures perfect food. If she were to balk at it,
then yes that is another matter altogether, but you werent really
asking what to do when a kitty wont eat raw.

For me, the bigger picture here for the immediate future, isnt the
feeding habits,but the fact that a vet actually gave this poor teeny,
little body a rabies vaccine immediately without hesitation![Did he
think that day you were going out frolicking with rabid racoons?] Her
frail body then was invaded with 2 more poisons the next day???
SO now, besides fighting off malnutrition,her already weakened immune
system has been completely assaulted!!! This doesnt even need to turn
into a discussion between the pro poison people and the anti poison
people, but any vet should know you dont vax or posion weak,frail or
sick animals! There is plenty of time later on down the road for
that, when it is pretty certain the animal is on the road to good
health!<insert my own sarcasm toward vet>

All in all, the only thing this little animal needs from you right
now is plenty of food,water and love. As long as you can live with
your choices of what kind,then you shouldnt worry what anyone else
thinks.
Good luck with her!
Alicia~

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Ash" <want4rain@...> wrote:
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> thank those of you for the encouragement. it is greatly
appreciated!!
>
> i will say the criticism wasnt expected nor appreciated. ive gotten
> little support here off the net and quite a few here on the mailing
> list have made assumptions and been quite critical of the decisions
> ive made or they ahve assumed i made.
>
> i am NOT feeding kibble, im making her foods COOKED and almost the
> exact same diet my cats are fed RAW but MORE and COOKED. im feeding
> cooked because the poor thing, as far as i know, has never eaten raw
> and cant fight off bacteria nor parasites as well as if she were
> healthy. every source of informaiton i have read on raw feeding says
> bacteria and parasites are not a concern for HEALTHY cats. im not
> taking the chances of her getting sicker because she is sick enough
> already.
>
> now, what i am asking is WHAT SHOULD I FOCUS ON? i am feeidng
chicken
> and salmon meat. should i focus on chicken livers? chicken pancreas?
> brains? or should i leave offal at a reasonable dose and up just her
> muscle meat? give her extra chicken skin? is a variety of different
> meats more important than which parts?
>
> what concerns should i have over having a starved young cat on my
> hands? inappropriate calcium build up?
>
> thanks!
>
> -ashley
>

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7a. Re: Fish Question....
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:01 am ((PDT))

>Don't buy too much of any new fish until you know if they like it or not

Hi.I agree with Andrea. When I got Catfish,my dog hated it no matter how i tried. So,I pulled it out from my feeding fish choice since I still can feed other kinds of fish.

So far, my dog had canned salmon,sardine,jack mackarrel, and not canned Whiting, MahiMahi,Snappers,Flounders,Halibut,Cod (although she seem not liking as much for Cod) etc..

I buy around 1lb or less per fish ;the one that on sale or one I never seen often on counter for stock up.

I sometimes try her fish(of course cooked for me) and see if I like it or not too.

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8a. Bone
Posted by: "Hodgepodge Stuff" ads@hodgepodgestuff.com candlelady_lisa
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:56 am ((PDT))

Hi,

I was wondering what I could do to provide bone to my dog. I can't
afford a grinder right now and local stores won't do it for me. I read
bone meal would do but you really need to know the source of where it
is from. Any suggestions would be great. Also, my dog was a stray and
her teeth were horrendous, so they were pulled that is why I have to do
this.

Thanks for any info,
Lisa

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8b. Re: Bone
Posted by: "Daisy Foxworth" daisyfoxworth@yahoo.com daisyfoxworth
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:02 am ((PDT))

My cat has her teeth but refuses to eat bone. So I supplement with
powdered egg shell at the rate of 1/2 tsp per pound of meat.

Daisy

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8c. Re: Bone
Posted by: "Karen Swanay" luvbullbreeds@gmail.com kswanay1111
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:03 am ((PDT))

You can use a meat tenderiser (the mallet not the powder) or a heavy frying
pan and bash chicken wings, necks and backs into basically nothing that
needs teeth to chew. Put them in a couple plastic bags and just whap them.
She won't need ground bone, just something small enough she can swallow.
Does she have no teeth at all? What breed? How old?

Karen

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8d. Re: Bone
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:43 am ((PDT))

Lisa,

Does she have no teeth at all??? You could smash up chicken bones pretty
easily with a mallet or hammer.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Hodgepodge Stuff" <ads@hodgepodgestuff.com>
> I was wondering what I could do to provide bone to my dog. I can't
> afford a grinder right now and local stores won't do it for me. I read
> bone meal would do but you really need to know the source of where it
> is from. Any suggestions would be great. Also, my dog was a stray and
> her teeth were horrendous, so they were pulled that is why I have to do
> this.

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9a. nose trouble
Posted by: "tamarabajema" tamarabajema@yahoo.ca tamarabajema
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:16 am ((PDT))

my little dog likes to bury his bones, which is good. But he buries
them, digs them up and buries them again. He is doing it so often he is
losing the hair on the bridge of his nose, and his nose itself isn't
looking too good. It's like its not a smooth surface anymore, looks
very grainy. has this happened to anyone else? Does it mean i shouldn't
feed him bone - or just less of it. Should i go to ground bone, or is
this purely asthetic? This is the only bad side-effect, so i would like
to continue feeding bone if i could. I think it is very good for his
teeth, not to metion the phsycological workout. He gets bone almost
everyday, and i would guess the bone:meat would be somewhere around
65:35, not quite the 80:20 it should be, but he seems to be doing okay
with it, besides this nose trouble. I keep telling myself he will stop
if it hurts him, but i'm not convinced this is true.
any insight on this would be appreciated
thanks
tamara

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9b. Re: nose trouble
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:39 am ((PDT))

What kind of bones are you feeding that he is burying rather than eating?
Bone should be consumed as part of his meal or picked up and put away if it
is edible bone or thrown away if not.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "tamarabajema" <tamarabajema@yahoo.ca>

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9c. Re: nose trouble
Posted by: "tamarabajema" tamarabajema@yahoo.ca tamarabajema
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:53 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Sandee Lee" <rlee@...> wrote:
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> What kind of bones are you feeding that he is burying rather than
eating?
> Bone should be consumed as part of his meal or picked up and put away
if it
> is edible bone or thrown away if not.
>
I give him chick drumstick, he eats off the ends and then buries the
middle. The next day he runs outside, digs it up and chews on it some
more. I thought thats what dogs do, bury their bones and then dig them
up later when they are hungry again and the bone is easier to chew on.
Your saying i should take it away from him when he goes to bury it, and
give it him the next day?
tamara

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9d. Re: nose trouble
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:10 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tamarabajema" <tamarabajema@...>
wrote:
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> He is doing it so often he is
> losing the hair on the bridge of his nose, and his nose
> itself isn't looking too good.

Like Sandee, I also would like to know what kind of bones he is
burying. I think it's possible you have a behavior problem on your
hands instead of an eating problem. He could be playing with the
bone out of boredom or because of a obsessive compulsive disorder.
Since he is continuing after his nose has gotten so sore, I would
guess obsesive compulsive.

I wouldn't go to ground bone except as a last desperate choice. I
think you can manage him and not allow him to bury the bones for a
while.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
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10. Newby raw feeding question
Posted by: "angelsnoopers64859" angelsnoopers64859@yahoo.com angelsnoopers64859
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:58 am ((PDT))

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Sorry if it is a repeat but I cannot find the answer anywhere. I am
switching my dogs (Mollie and Max) over as I type. I am, however,
reluctant to switch Mollie over right now. She is temporarily in the
house because she has puppies. When I take her food away for overnight
(I was going to switch her over) she goes potty anywhere she can reach.
We do put her on a leash as we do not have an indoor kennel. Since she
is nursing she needs food all the time. How can I switch her over
especially since she resents when there is not food there all the time
which both my dogs are used to. I am having no problem switching Max
over. They are Old English Sheepdogs (to give you an idea of size and
temperment) and generally will take anything we throw at them except
being forced to stay in the house. They are both outside dogs through
and through.

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11a. Not going to the bathroom.
Posted by: "Eve" loulou_bean@yahoo.com loulou_bean
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:00 pm ((PDT))

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Hi,
Our pekingese has now been on all raw diet (chicken)
since last Monday, and he hasn't gone to the bathroom
yet. We don't think he ate a whole lot of meat the
first few days, so the lack of waste is
understandable, but he's eating well now, and still
hasn't gone. He's also drinking a lot of water. Any
advice on whether or not these things seem normal
would be greatly appreciated. We're a bit concerned. Thanks.....

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11b. Re: Not going to the bathroom.
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:11 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Eve <loulou_bean@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Our pekingese has now been on all raw diet (chicken)
> since last Monday, and he hasn't gone to the bathroom
> yet.

How is the dog acting and how is he feeling? If he has normal energy
and seems to be happy and feeling good, I wouldn't worry. Are you
absolutely sure that he hasn't pooped? With a dog that size a raw
chicken poop will be very very very small.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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11c. Re: Not going to the bathroom.
Posted by: "Eve" loulou_bean@yahoo.com loulou_bean
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:42 pm ((PDT))

Bill,

He definitely didn't go to the bathroom. I thought it
was "normal" to go regularly, and 5 days seems pretty
excessive to not. I am afraid he has some sort of
blockage. He did chew up some bone the other day.

We just took him for a walk and he paced for a while
as if he was about to go and nothing wound up
happening.

Also, the last couple of times we we took him for a
walk he took more interest in chasing the pigeons than
he did in walking. What could this be?

Eve
--- carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Eve
> <loulou_bean@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Our pekingese has now been on all raw diet
> (chicken)
> > since last Monday, and he hasn't gone to the
> bathroom
> > yet.
>
> How is the dog acting and how is he feeling? If he
> has normal energy
> and seems to be happy and feeling good, I wouldn't
> worry. Are you
> absolutely sure that he hasn't pooped? With a dog
> that size a raw
> chicken poop will be very very very small.
>
> Bill Carnes
> http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
>
> Feeding Raw since October 2002
>
> "Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural
> outcomes"
> Dr. Tom Lonsdale
>
>

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12. Re: Linda's GSD with EPI
Posted by: "Michael Moore" m-tak@sbcglobal.net annemoore2000
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:53 pm ((PDT))

>>does the raw food help with EPI? do you have to give Holly anything for it?<<

Linda -- she gets nothing *for* her EPI except the basics that my other dogs get -- meat, a little bone, organs. Nothing special at all. I do tend to feed her a *little* more bone than the rest of the crew, as she seems to do better with a bit more. That's it. Not saying it will be the same for yours, but, for Holly, it works.
Glad you've taken the plunge!! I feel confident that your GSD will benefit greatly!!

-- Anne Moore (M-Tak PWC and one goofy GSD rescue and a silly Golden rescue) in NW Ohio

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13a. stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "monell2000" monell2000@yahoo.com monell2000
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:11 pm ((PDT))

My standard poodles have very stinky gas.Does anyone else have this
problem on the raw?? It doesn't seem to matter which meat they eat. I
have a different smell than on K****e, but still stinky.
Last night my female burped, and it had the same smell as thier gas.
Is this normal??

Monell

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13b. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "Goin8@aol.com" Goin8@aol.com menoebs
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:27 pm ((PDT))

I have OEB's and they have really stinky gas too. I think its cause of the
raw but when they eat chicken it less stinky then beef. When they eat green
tripe it gets REALLY bad. I dont think I will feed tripe after this supply is
gone!

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