[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11804

There are 14 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Medication Questions
From: J A

2a. Dehydrated Liver
From: Lori Poirier

3a. Re: Cow heads?
From: Bearhair

4a. Re: Getting the prize for liver, lol.........
From: Bearhair

5a. Re: skin and coat
From: carnesbill
5b. Re: skin and coat
From: costrowski75

6. Meats?
From: Cherie Ferebee

7a. Are chitterlings and green tripe similar?
From: kaebruney
7b. Re: Are chitterlings and green tripe similar?
From: costrowski75

8a. Recommendations for cleaning tooth Re: Horse Hoof Trimmings (cow'
From: delcaste

9a. Re: Recommendations for cleaning tooth crevasses
From: delcaste

10a. Re: feeding small dog Pork neck bones
From: delcaste

11.1. Re: new to raw feeding
From: Genevieve

12. Re: cat will only eat pork. period :(
From: Lindsay Dorian

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1a. Medication Questions
Posted by: "J A" chamelett2003@yahoo.com chamelett2003
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:13 pm ((PDT))

I have two chihuahua's. One six years MN and one six months female 4 lbs after being very very sic (was 5lbs). I have never had any signs/symptoms of hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) until the pup got diarrhea and vomiting. She would not eat and I had to force feed or give nutri-cal paste to keep her blood sugar up while she was sick. The pup is well now and I feed her twice a day (some times three) as she is under weight from being sick. The six year old is fed (usually) once a day for several years and shows no signs/symptoms of hypoglycemia. The Chihuahua's and Bull Mastiff have beautiful white teeth.
Raw food is a good start for your dogs health but the one with chronic skin problems needs Homeopath treatment as stated before. There are on line groups to join to get help for that.
Welcome to the raw world. Have fun,
Jill

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2a. Dehydrated Liver
Posted by: "Lori Poirier" chaparraltrail@yahoo.com chaparraltrail
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:14 pm ((PDT))

I dehydrate lots of food for backpacking, and have researched (or trial-and-errored) these things for my own usage.

Some nutrients will inevitably be lost through the dehydration process, The higher the temperature, and the longer you dehydrate, the more that is lost. Even if you sun dry, some nutrients will be lost. OTOH your own food loses alittle bit as well, the longer it sits around, and the more processed it is by the time you eat it. Like the commercial says...Less is More...

Mostly-dried meats will keep in the fridge (or freezer) a lot longer than raw, but will not last as long as fully dried foods, especially since you won't be salting it. So as long as you cycle through the meat regularly, the mostly-dried peices have a little more nutrutional value than the fully-dried pieces.

Lori

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3a. Re: Cow heads?
Posted by: "Bearhair" bearhair@spamcop.net bearhair61
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:15 pm ((PDT))

yassy wrote:

> Our garbage guy,when contracted with them,they sent us what you can toss and cannot toss and one of the item was dead animal body. I know that bone is not dead body but, bone part of animals,do they take without any problems?

Coming from Chicago, I know a thing or two about disposing of bodies . . . I
recommend you don't let him know that you're dumping animal parts into the
garbage (although the contract is really so no one will dump their pet dog
into the can).

Use a lawn & garden trash bag - the ones that are black or dark green or
brown so you can't see through it.

In the case of a cow skull, smash it with your trusty sledgehammer into
smaller pieces first.

Or hang it outside on your wall for a little Southwestern decor.

You might also want to hold it in another can until garbage day, so that he
doesn't see the million flies buzzing around.

> And, for 30 lb dog,daily take about 10oz(less than 1 lb) for 2% intake to be exact,is it going to be too much and give goo poop afterwords?
> If the meat on it was more than good enough for my dog (corgi is well known for they do not know when to stop eating I heard from breeder),and one dog ate much much much more than usual take,then, how many days do you fast dogs?

You'll probably have to drag the little chomper away from it before he
explodes. I can't answer the gorge and fast question, but I know using those
two terms in a search of the archives will get you the information that has
been previously covered. Why look! Here's the link:
>http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/msearch?query=gorge+fast&charset=windows-1252

Lora
Evanston, IL

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4a. Re: Getting the prize for liver, lol.........
Posted by: "Bearhair" bearhair@spamcop.net bearhair61
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:16 pm ((PDT))

Carol wrote:

>My boy is not into chicken liver.......but rabbit anything he'll
>eat............
>First time I offer him some rabbit offal, he took one sniff and dug
>in........about
>half way through, he looks up and I swear he had a tiny pair of lungs
>hanging
>from his mouth........

At which point you ran up to him and planted a big SMOOCH on him, right?
<grin>

Oh, this isn't the bacteria thread? Never mind.

Lora

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5a. Re: skin and coat
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:16 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "rocketblasther" <jforbes05@...>
wrote:
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> Is fat good for skin and coat,

Yes

> and if so, is it
> like liver in terms of causing runny stool?

Sometimes excess fat CAN cause runny stools particuarly in the early
stages of beginning a raw diet but not always or even most times.
It's kind of a dog specific thing.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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5b. Re: skin and coat
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:54 pm ((PDT))

"rocketblasther" <jforbes05@...> wrote:
>
> Is there another food source for a healthier skin and coat other than
> fish and fish oil.
*****
A healthy diet is the source of healthy skin and coat, supplemental oil
is just one ingredient. It is likely the easiest way to get Omega 3s
into the diet though. Grassfed meat is a fine source of O3 and fat but
is pricey. Some dogs may respond favorably to flaxseed oil but I have
a really hard time recommending any plant-based oil.

Is fat good for skin and coat, and if so, is it
> like liver in terms of causing runny stool?
*****
Fat is essential for skin and coat as well as digestive health and
energy, at the least. Our dogs require protein and fat as their only
nutritional building blocks. Yes, like liver too much can cause runny
stool. Too much of anything will do that. BTW, "too much" is a dog by
dog amount so no one can tell you the right amount to feed. You can
build bowel tolerance by feeding fat in gradually increasing amounts;
and loose stools are not generally indicators of disease, just over-
indulgence.
Chris O

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6. Meats?
Posted by: "Cherie Ferebee" oceanbaylabradors@yahoo.com oceanbaylabradors
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:16 pm ((PDT))

What kinds of meats are okay for dogs to eat? My problem is that I am on a tight budget at this time. I spend about $40 a week on dog food. Between my 7 dogs, thats a lot of meat and meat is pricey! Is there any meat that butchers tend to throw away that is safe for my doggies? My father will be hunting again in September, but there is no guarantee that he will get enough for the year. If I know what kind of meats are good and won't hurt my gang, it will make it a little easier. I also worry about chemicals, horomones, etc. being in the meats.

Thanks!
Cherie

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7a. Are chitterlings and green tripe similar?
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:18 pm ((PDT))

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Someone mentioned making a 'chitterling sausage' with filled with liver.

I know pigs aren't ruminating animals, but are their intestines as
good for dogs as green tripe?

Has anyone fed their dogs chitterlings? Is there any benefit to it?

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7b. Re: Are chitterlings and green tripe similar?
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 12:01 am ((PDT))

"kaebruney" <kaebruney@...> wrote:
mentioned making a 'chitterling sausage' with filled with liver.
*****
This would be dramatically excessive! Perhaps a raw sausage including
a relatively small amount of liver, but certainly not liver exclusively.

> I know pigs aren't ruminating animals, but are their intestines as
> good for dogs as green tripe?
*****
Green tripe is not intestines, it's the stomach tissue (one or several
stomachs) of a ruminant. The intestines in markets would likely be
edible but not especially valuable. They would not be green tripe.

Chris O

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8a. Recommendations for cleaning tooth Re: Horse Hoof Trimmings (cow'
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:19 pm ((PDT))

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--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "Mari" <wordfromwisdom@...> wrote:
> Do you all live in Florida, or have dogs trained to eat on sheets?
LOL
>
> Mari
> Schnauzersforever

Hi, Mari,

I live in Florida and as if we didn't have enough insects, now that the
pugs are eating raw the fly problem is real bad. I bought fly bait
recommended by Jane, I believe, so that should help. I have the pugs
eat in the garage and the pit outside in his run, if not he runs out
and buries things and the FLIES are terrible.

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9a. Re: Recommendations for cleaning tooth crevasses
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:20 pm ((PDT))

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....they eat my cat's poopies too, so I
> don't think I need to worry about bacteries in hoof trimmings....
>
> Chris

ewww, my dogs love them cat poops and are in heaven when the horses
poop. I thought my cocker was a refined little lady til she joined my
sister's pack in cleaning up after the horse. Fresh from the oven was
my sister's comment..:)

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10a. Re: feeding small dog Pork neck bones
Posted by: "delcaste" delcaste@yahoo.com delcaste
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:23 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "costrowski75" <Chriso75@...> wrote:

> I don't know your pugs of course, but in general the pugs I have met
> are no slouches. Nor are they tiny. I think you ought not chance
> small bones with gulpers. Feed your pugs big, awkward, clumsy (and
> meaty) bones and make them work for their supper. Consider adding
meat
> to the meal if they aren't used to meals that are heavily bone.
> Chris O

No pugs are pigs definitively not slouches. You're right about small
bones. Today the gulper choked on a piece of beef heart that was cut
too small. Now that I know better, she's going to get the big pieces.

Silvina and the pugs

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11.1. Re: new to raw feeding
Posted by: "Genevieve" gene182000@yahoo.com gene182000
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 1:47 am ((PDT))

First of all I want to thank the moderator of the group for releasing
my message to the group. I really appreciate it.
Thanks also for all the people who took the time to answer.
Yes indeed, I will re-read all your answers very carefully and try to
learn the most from them.

Of course I want the best for my dog. In the meantime, I have a more
concrete question as Chris suggested regarding specific concerss:
I guess, one of my main concerns is the choking hazard. It may sounds
silly because how often does it happen... But when I saw Pana vomitting
after a few hours a big piece of bone, it was frightening, and it was
even more so after seeing her litteraly swallow a big piece of chicken
together with the bone... It looked to me as if she could not cut the
chicken before swallowing it, only maybe crush part of the bones and
then swallow nearly the whole piece. If this supposed to be so?

Thanks again to everybody for understanding my concern and replying to
my letter with valuable information and ... a caring tone.
Genevieve

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12. Re: cat will only eat pork. period :(
Posted by: "Lindsay Dorian" iamentropygirl@gmail.com irwin_bird
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:29 am ((PDT))

My cat TK did the same thing after we bought her pork tenderloin
(on sale 90% off due to best before date : )

she refused all other food I started putting just a bit of pork pieces
mixed in with what I wanted her to eat, that way if she wanted to dig
out the pork she had to get some of the "residue" of the other meats
on her. I also stored other meat/bones in a baggie with pork so it
would smell a little "piggy"

even if your cat only eats the pork at least she is getting something,
I prefered to feed just pork rather than go back to canned, and TK is
back to eating mostly whatever we give her

we also have a dog, so luckily in our house nothing gets wasted : )

Lindsay

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