[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11803

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Recommendations for cleaning tooth crevasses
From: kaebruney

2a. Re: Fish Question....
From: Andrea

3a. Re: Dehydrated Liver
From: tgberman
3b. ADMIN/Re: Dehydrated Liver
From: costrowski75

4.1. Re: new to raw feeding
From: Lyse Garant
4.2. Re: new to raw feeding
From: Sandee Lee
4.3. Re: new to raw feeding
From: sillypoodle2003
4.4. Re: new to raw feeding
From: costrowski75

5a. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
From: kevinvictorbutton

6a. Re: WHat are sme other organ options besides liver?
From: monell2000

7a. Re: Pork Neck Bones
From: Laurie Swanson
7b. Re: Pork Neck Bones
From: Yasuko herron

8a. Re: Cow heads?
From: Maria

9. Food Suggestions - Antibiotics
From: meg_helmes

10a. Re: Medication Questions
From: Denise Strother

11.1. new to group
From: Jim Morgan
11.2. Re: new to group
From: kaseyfrankie

12.1. New to Raw Feeding
From: Cherie Ferebee
12.2. Re: New to Raw Feeding
From: carnesbill

13a. feeding raw while traveling
From: Lisa R
13b. Re: feeding raw while traveling
From: carnesbill
13c. Re: feeding raw while traveling
From: merril Woolf
13d. Re: feeding raw while traveling
From: Nathalie Poulin

14. skin and coat
From: rocketblasther

15. 3rd update and hopefully the last one!
From: tottime47

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1a. Re: Recommendations for cleaning tooth crevasses
Posted by: "kaebruney" kaebruney@yahoo.com kaebruney
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:47 am ((PDT))

I just want to know who his tailor is.

What a snazzy top coat, hat and scarf. That boy dresses better than me!

Kae

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "cypressbunny" <cypressbunny@...>
wrote:

>
> *** Thank you. He is Saluki--guess it's hard to tell with all his
> clothes on, lol.
>
> --Carrie
>

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2a. Re: Fish Question....
Posted by: "Andrea" poketmouse45@yahoo.com poketmouse45
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:10 pm ((PDT))

No cleaning needed on fishes. I would cut the barbs off of catfish if
my pups or cats ate it, but they won't.

If you can find it for a reasonable amount, salmon is almost always
welcomed with open arms. Raw sardines are a pretty good starter fish
because they are generally cheap, tasty and small. When you start
feeding fish you should give small amounts at first, because the
unusual texture and whatnot often causes a return to sender reflex if
they eat too much.

Don't buy too much of any new fish until you know if they like it or
not. Usually the more oily fish are received better at my house, FWIW.

Andrea

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kaebruney" <kaebruney@...> wrote:
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> Do they need to be cleaned? i.e scales removed?
>
> Also... what's a good fish to start with? When I tried to feed a small
> whole butterfish, my dog fasted for two days.

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3a. Re: Dehydrated Liver
Posted by: "tgberman" me@toddberman.com tgberman
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:52 pm ((PDT))

>
> I just got my dehydrator delivered yesterday. I'm going to try liver
> this weekend. About how long did you have to dry it for? I have one of
> those mandolin slicers so I was going to try slicing it while still
> frozen to make it really thin.
> Michele
>

I think it depends on the dehydrator, so you will have to experiment a
little. I did it at the highest temp setting on my machine (I think
it is either 155 or 165). The first time I did this, everything was
really thin and it was done in about 3 or 4 hours. The second time, I
was expecting the same results, but I cut some too thick... these were
not ready in the 4 hours, so I turned the heat down a little and let
them go all night... I am not sure how well that worked, because like
I set, some are still soft in the middle...

Still wondering if anyone has answers to me first questions!

Thanks,

Todd (and Phred)
http://www.phredthedog.com

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3b. ADMIN/Re: Dehydrated Liver
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:50 pm ((PDT))

Recipes, cooking instuctions, techniques, hints, etc. are not
appropriate for the rawfeeding list. Please take all "how to"
conversations to RawChat. Further postings here will be deleted.
Chris O

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4.1. Re: new to raw feeding
Posted by: "Lyse Garant" lyse_garant@yahoo.com lyse_garant
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:15 pm ((PDT))

*** Mod Note: this post trimmed for you ***

perfect answer, I appreciate it, thank you Merril, appropriately last named Woolf!
Lyse

merril Woolf <merril@kentfieldwhippets.com> wrote:
--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com,
> Lyse

It's funny, but that question seems to be more a centred in North America than the rest of
the world because, believe it or not, many countries have never jumped on the processed
junk food band wagon quite so much as North America has.

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4.2. Re: new to raw feeding
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:27 pm ((PDT))

Genevieve,

I think you would derive much benefit from reading through the rawfeeding
myths. The dog's system has not changed, there is no benefit and great harm
from feeding inappropriate foods such as grains. The benefits of feeding a
raw diet far outweigh any possible risks.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "Genevieve" <gene182000@yahoo.com>

Then I guess the question is: How much data do we have regarding dogs
being fed raw food?
I believe that all questions should be asked, then there it goes:
what are the risks of feeding exclusively raw food ?

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4.3. Re: new to raw feeding
Posted by: "sillypoodle2003" angels_mom73@hotmail.com sillypoodle2003
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:52 pm ((PDT))

---welcome, genevieve and your furkid too. you are right to question-
question everything. the way i made the swithc was i asked myself this
question: if i were a dog, where would i hunt? in a field of grain,
which is the main part of kibble, or would i seek out rabbits and
other small mammals as prey? if i were a dog, and i was let loose in a
grocery store, where wuld i go? to the dog food aisle or the meat
couter? also, question all those poisons-vaccines, flea treatment ect.
there are lots of lists on yahoo to point you in the right direction.
start with au natural k9 and jstsayno2vaccs. if you're going to feed
your dog appropriately, might as well go all out and say goodbye to
all things nasty. good luck. the people on this list and others are
very helpful in our NR (natural rearing) journey.

kely and "look mom, i ate the whooooollle thing!" zeke

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4.4. Re: new to raw feeding
Posted by: "costrowski75" Chriso75@AOL.COM costrowski75
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:45 pm ((PDT))

"Genevieve" <gene182000@...> wrote:
But aren't we forgetting
> that dogs have lived with humans for so long that they may have
> adapted to home cooked food???
*****
But aren't you in turn forgetting that the time the two species have
spent together is but a zit on a gnat's ass in the bigger picture of
evolution? We may have bludgeoned the appearance of wolves but we
have done little else. And virtually nothing to their digestive
system.

> Well, if we want to be realistic, wild dogs do not get cooked food,
> but they do not get frozen food either... we may as well believe
that
> food that has been frozen may have changed some of its
> characteristics in a way that can affect the dog?
*****
It might. This is not a big issue however. Some people feed frozen
food, others do not. Since it is not inconceivable that wolves would
eat frozen stash, it's not all that far fetched to freeze food.
Really, to freeze or not to freeze is not the question.

> My question is, 20, 30 or 40 years ago, before the pet food
industry
> controlled so much of our doings regarding our pets, how where dogs
> doing, and what were they eating for the most?
*****
Actually it's more like 60+ years, and my guess is more dogs were
dying unhearlded than are today but there was less dogs, that dogs
were less likely to go to the vet and thus were less likely to be
diagnosed the way they are today. My guess is less were HBC because
there were fewer cars and there was more room. My guess is people
fed themselves better so the scraps the dogs got fed the dogs
better. My guess is dogs were not getting vaccinated to death. My
guess is they were better socialized than they are today. My guess
is the healthy dogs lived to ripe old ages and weak dogs died.

>But, were the dogs eating raw food then?
*****
They were more likely to not eat grains except as plate lickin's.
They were more likely to get carcasses and trim because there was no
fast food and there was little packaged food and most of whatever was
made in the kitchen came from scratch. Scratch means scraps. The
argument, I think, is less what they WERE eating and more what they
WERE NOT eating.

> Now, does that mean that my dog should only get raw food?
*****
It means that you dog certainly can do with only raw food. It means
you don't have to feed anything more than raw food.

> I know that whole grains are recommended for people with diabetis
and
> actually recommended for everybody.
*****
Whole grains, perhaps, are recommended instead of fractionated
grains; grains are not necessarily recommended for diabetics and
whether they're recommended for everyone would depend, don't you
think, on what government office financed by what lobby group is
doing the recommending.

And besides all that speculative stuff, carbohydrates have no
nutritional value for our dogs. Not peripherally, not directly, not
raw, not cooked, not whole, not parts. So regardless of how one
reconciles grains in one's personal life, there is no reconciling
them in a dog's life.

Could that mean that the same
> could be true for dogs? Could it be that cooked whole rice would be
a
> safe alternative of course together with some kind of proteins.
*****
Nope. Dogs require protein and fat. They require MEAT protein and
MEAT fat. No grain with any sort of protein will be more healthy
than a species appropriate diet of meat protein and fat. You can try
jamming that shoe onto that foot, but it just don't fit.

Dogs
> have been given pasta and rice for so long before the pet food
> industry.
*****
Again, you are comparing a blip on the screen to the whole
evolutionary sky. There is no comparison. How long have dogs been
eating rice and pasta? Do you know?

Is there
> any kind of comparison between dogs being fed raw food and dogs
with
> home cooked food?
*****
Don't know. And in a fit of infantile stubborness, don't care.

> Then I guess the question is: How much data do we have regarding
dogs
> being fed raw food?
*****
Let's see...how long have wolves be living, how long has the species
been thriving? That kind of data works for me.

> I believe that all questions should be asked, then there it goes:
> what are the risks of feeding exclusively raw food ?
*****
What are the risks of waking up in the morning, or going to bed at
night? Crossing the street? Driving you car to work? Taking an
elevator to the top floor of a skyscraper? Driving through the
Lincoln Tunnel? What are risks of anything? For every upside there
is a downside.

How about you define your specific concerns so that we can sensibly
address them?
Chris O

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5a. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
Posted by: "kevinvictorbutton" kevinvictorbutton@yahoo.co.uk kevinvictorbutton
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:16 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Michael Moore <m-tak@...> wrote:
>
> Okay, Linda, I'll share my GSD experiences with you, but first,
relax and breathe deeply. It's much less complicated than you are
making it. Honest.
>
> >>1)how do i get going, cold turkey, or gradually, if so how?<<
>
> Cold turkey!! Or beef. Or chicken. Just stopping feeding
kibble and start feeding raw.
>
> >>2) does anyone have experience of EPI?<<
>
> Yes!! Lots of folks on the list feed EPI dogs. My rescue GSD,
Holly, included.
>
> >>3) can anyone recommend a good book to read, if i go down this
route i want to make sure she has all the right vitamins, trace
elements etc.<<
>
> Yes, Dr. Tom Lonsdale's "Work Wonders" which you can download
free on his website www.rawmeatybones.com for free.
> And here's where I believe you are overthinking this (as
many of us do initially). Think about this: for thousands of
years, dogs were fed what nature intended -- raw meat with bones,
and some organs (offal). The species thrived. It's only since the
advent of kibble (1930's) that many problems and diseases came into
being. If you feed a species appropriate raw diet (and yes, we know
that prey model *is* the most species appropriate), you will not
need to concern yourself with vitamins, trace elements, etc. --
it's all provided for you by Mother Nature.
>
> >>4)what is the best thing to get started on?<<
>
> The best thing is whatever you can find/have on hand/can
afford. Many folks start with chicken because it's inexpensive and
readily available most places. But some start with venison or pork
or beef. It does seem best to stick with one meat for a week or two
so the dog can adjust. I kept my GSD on chicken exclusively for a
month, as her digestive system was really out of whack, but now she
can eat almost anything without issue. She's been rawfed for 6
yrs., and is healthy and happy.
> Good luck with your journey, and please know that it is the
*best* thing you can do for your GSD!!
>
> -- Anne Moore, who's lived with GSDs for over 30 yrs.,
in NW Ohio
>
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>

Thanks for your reply anne.
I've taken the plunge, and have started my gsd on chicken legs
tonight. she's eaten one, and is halfway through the other. lots of
crunching! i also gave her raw pancreas, as this is recommended for
the suspected EPI. I have to take her back to the vet for a check in
a couple of weeks time.
does the raw food help with EPI? do you have to give Holly anything
for it?
my vet told me he has 2 7month old dobermans who always had
diarrhoea, but when he took them to the wilds of Yorkshire (I'm in
the UK) they did lots of scavenging, and never had the runs. I'll
tell him about raw feeding!
Juno has now finished her chicken, lots of licking lips, she seemed
to enjoy it.
Will let you know how she gets on. Thanks again, Linda

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6a. Re: WHat are sme other organ options besides liver?
Posted by: "monell2000" monell2000@yahoo.com monell2000
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:33 pm ((PDT))

Neither one of mine will eat liver if it is thawed out. But little
pieces of frozen they love. Might give it a try.

monell

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kaebruney" <kaebruney@...> wrote:
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> Thanks for the suggestions everyone!!!
>
> Last night after much struggle they ate the liver that was left
from
> their meal.
>
> It seems they are better with beef liver than pork or chicken. They
> NEVER eat the pork liver!!
>
> I'm also going to try the ground meat / liver slop. Great idea!!
>
>
> Thanks everybody!
>
> Kae
>
>
> --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "kaebruney" <kaebruney@> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, my boys hate liver.
> > I mean HATE it.
>

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7a. Re: Pork Neck Bones
Posted by: "Laurie Swanson" laurie@mckinneyphoto.com las_lala
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:34 pm ((PDT))

Hi Yassy,

I don't know, maybe too much bone at once? Did you add meat to the
meal? Maybe she's not used to meals that boney?

Sounds like it could definitely also be that she was expecting to be
fed this morning and didn't get it "on time." You might want to try
randomizing your feeding schedule. That worked for me/my dog and
seems to work for lots of others.

Laurie

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
> This morning, I woke up 1 hour later than usual weekdays and,I
came out from shower and heard wiered noise from my dog's crate area.
So,I looked inside and she made noise and vomited yellow bile and
followed by that,only 1 piece of neckbone I fed yesterday came out.
>
> It is probably combination of bit late to be fed and one piece of
bone was too dense maybe??
>

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7b. Re: Pork Neck Bones
Posted by: "Yasuko herron" sunshine_annamaria@yahoo.com sunshine_annamaria
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:26 pm ((PDT))

>I don't know, maybe too much bone at once? Did you add meat to the meal?

Hi,Laurie. I gave her lamb tongue too and, the poo came out like firm poo about 1-2 inch and then yellowish brownish watery thing and she ended up needed to hop on to shower to get her butt washed that afternoon.

After trying to introducing the lamb meat,her poo was always having wet ends,not as good one as after other meals.For fattier meat like lamb,wet ends poo is normal if it had shape?

I was not worrying about it because it still had shape still.

But yesterday,it was different. Maybe lamb tongue was too fatty than lamb meat I have fed. So,today,I gave her basic chcken meal and poop got all firm up nice already.Definitely lamb seemed problem to her to handle like she does for chicken or beef etc.

Wiered thing was that,while poo was all nice and firm,the poo came out wrapped in thick and slimy mucous.

How do you interpret this poo?I have seen mucous in watery poo before when she had explosive,uncontrollable diarrhea before changing diet,but never seen poo wrapped in mucous like this before. I will keep her on chicken 2 more days and give her healing time.

>Maybe she's not used to meals that boney?

Well,she has had beef neck and all bone consumed before and her poo was fine and no vomiting and no diarrhea or no soft poo. overall,she did pretty good on beef though.

>Sounds like it could definitely also be that she was expecting to be fed this morning and >didn't get it "on time."

You think so? On weekends, I wake up one more hour laterthan today,and for 9 weeks,she was fine,no vomiting involved. I making rule that she eats after we human eats so,feeding time is bit random although because I wake up before my husband around same time on weekdays,those days,she ended up to be fed around same time though.

thank you

yassy

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8a. Re: Cow heads?
Posted by: "Maria" plava_93@yahoo.com plava_93
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:34 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Yasuko herron
<sunshine_annamaria@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,the cow head comes with brain inside too??
> I read somewhere that if you like to avoid madcow disease,avoid
feeding brain of cows.
> yassy

I have my own beliefs about proin desieses in dogs, I don't think they
are at risk. I'm getting the heads from someone who hand raised the
steers, he is bucthering them himself and he knows why I'm getting
them. So the brains ARE included, proin desieses take many years to
develop and the steers will only be 2 years old when slaughtered.

Maria

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9. Food Suggestions - Antibiotics
Posted by: "meg_helmes" mhelmes@gmail.com meg_helmes
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:38 pm ((PDT))

Hello everyone-
My pup has a UTI, and is on antibiotics. She unfortunately has been on
them before,and has never had a problem with being nauseous, or
vomited due to antibiotics before. Well, not this time! She has thrown
up every days since starting them. She is also not eating as much -
she was getting fed twice a day, and has been refusing at least one of
those meals for the past week or so. I know she is also feeling
crappy, so that isn't helping. She didn't vomit last night after
eating a full dinner. I decided not to feed her breakfast this
morning, just a little meatball with her cranberry & fish oil and her
antibiotic (she takes it twice a day). Well, she threw up multiple
times. At least one of them was on the kitchen tile, which I
appreciated (the rest was on her bed, the couch, etc.)

I think that the nausea/vomiting may be linked to her just getting the
small meatball instead of a full meal - perhaps her stomach bile is
getting flowing, and there isn't enough food to make it happy? I know
that description is highly unscientific, but I think you guys know
what I mean.

To relate this to raw feeding - what would be good, mild meals to help
her stomach feel better? I don't really want to fast her, which is
what I would normally do for a day after the vomiting, because she
still needs to take the antibiotic twice a day, and I think it will
upset her stomach even more without food. I just gave her a boneless,
skinless chicken breast which she happily ate. Does that sound like a
good meal option for a day or two? How about ground turkey? I'm trying
to go with what is in the freezer, but if you all have other
suggestions, I would love to hear them!!

Thanks,

Meg (& Ruby)

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10a. Re: Medication Questions
Posted by: "Denise Strother" denisestrother@yahoo.com denisestrother
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:56 pm ((PDT))

Hi Susan,
I have two Chihuahuas. Sweetie is 8yrs old and weighs 5 to 5 1/2 lbs.
DorkDog is about 1yr old and weighs 3 to 3 1/2 lbs. They eat the same
things my 42 lb Pitbull eats. My dogs eat usually once a day. I have
had Chi's for years and there isn't a problem with blood sugar on
raw, at least in my experience. The carbohydrates in commercial food
is resposible for the dramatic fluncuations. As far as the momma
Chi's weight gain, that may or may not be due to the spay. Sweetie is
not spayed and she is definately a chunky monkey, but I have less of
a problem with her weight on raw. I have not had allergy or ear
infection problems with my Chi's, but I run a dog daycare and the
owner of the daycare and clients have these types of issues and the
raw diet has helped several of these dogs. A Bichon at the daycare
had chronic ear infections. This dog was at the vet every couple of
months with one. The owner dealt with this for a couple of years. I
convinced her to try raw feeding and she's been doing it for a year
now and the dog has not had another ear infection. The owner of the
daycare has 2 Scotties with allergies. They were on hypo-allergenic
food and antigen shots. Now on raw, they are not taking the shots. If
I remember correctly she just stopped the shots at the same time she
started raw. The prednisolone can cause some weight gain also.
Hopefully someone with experience with these problems can give you
more detail with this. I'm sure you will be amazed at what a
difference the rawfeeding makes in your dogs. Denise

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "brake4breyers832"
<pebbles_diehl@...> wrote:
Hello everyone, I just joined recently and am thoroughly enjoying
reading all the posts and info about this wonderful way of
feeding....
>Susan D.

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11.1. new to group
Posted by: "Jim Morgan" kingbird@cableone.net fundador_four
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:30 pm ((PDT))

Hi everyone, my name is Jim Morgan and I am new to the group as well as new to raw feeding.

My wife and I have four young house cats and one 16 year old small female spaniel.

The dog loves raw chicken, beef, and about any canned dog food. In othrerwords she eats like a little pig and is not over weight. Her dietary background has been high quality dry and canned dog food which she has done very well on and at 16+ she still likes to playfully chase our cats around the house. We think of it as good exercise for both her and the cats.

For about 2 weeks now I have been giving her raw chicken with a few short bones which she crunches up very well. And a little dry and caned dog food.

The two older cats eat raw chicken very well along with a little high quality dry food and an occasional treat of that stinky canned cat food which they love.

The other 2 cats just turned three years old and were raised by hand by my wife and me from the age of one week , eyes closed and nursing from a bottle. They also had two siblings that we successfully raised. A labor of love but what a job!

Any way the two we kept are addicted to dry and canned cat food and are a bit over weight. I am trying to get them to eat raw chicken. Skinless, boneless chicken breast work fairly well. Once I get them use to the chicken breasts I will work on some chicken with bones.

Any way just wanted to pass this along and say how much I am enjoying the comments from others in the group.

My best to all,

Jim Morgan
Prescott Arizona

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11.2. Re: new to group
Posted by: "kaseyfrankie" Julian1013@aol.com kaseyfrankie
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:26 pm ((PDT))

Hi Jim, I also have four house cats, the oldest being 2 years of age.
I will say that even being fed proper amounts of commercial food, she
is overweight and has digestive issues. I am in the transition to get
them eating raw, and she will be the hardest to turn. My goal is to
soon have them all on raw and raw only, as it is the best possible
thing I can do for them as their owner..and I absolutly dread buying
the canned catfood but they are a bit more stubborn than dogs and you
cannot starve them into eating raw. As far as your dog goes if she is
liking her chicken and bones now would be a great time to cut out the
other stuff, no point in eating a veggie salad if you have a big mac
right after it right?! LOL anyway, best of luck to you and welcome to
the group!
-Kasey S

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12.1. New to Raw Feeding
Posted by: "Cherie Ferebee" oceanbaylabradors@yahoo.com oceanbaylabradors
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:26 pm ((PDT))

Hello Everyone,
I am new to raw feeding and am trying to get as much info as possible. I guess my first couple of questions should come now. I have 5 labradors, 1 english fox hound, and 1 tiny shih tzu (A wonderful mini lab). I know it depends on the size, but how do I figure it out? My gang gets fed twice daily. We have not yet made the jump to raw yet. Do I switch like other foods and do so gradually or just get right into it? What are some good inexpensive meats? My father hunts in the fall, is it okay to give them raw water foul, deer, etc?

Thanks!
Cherie

Weights:
Sandi (10 yrs old)- 90 lbs (Lab)- needs to lose a little weight
Lilly (4-5 yrs old)- 61 lbs (E. Fox hound)
Katie (3 yrs old)- 72 lbs (lab)- needs to gain a little weight (Still gaining weight from her last litter)
Journey (3 yrs old)- 65 lbs (lab)- very very active and needs to put on weight
Sadie (2 yrs old)- 7 pounds (shih tzu)- very active and has maintained 6-7 pounds since she was 7 months old, but seems skinny to me (i can feel her spine, but she dosn't like dog food)
Clay (1 yr old)- 78 pounds (lab)
Lukas ( 6.5 months old)- 74 pounds (lab)- training as a service dog. Kept lean to protect his hips from too much weight.

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12.2. Re: New to Raw Feeding
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:40 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cherie Ferebee
<oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:
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> I am new to raw feeding and am trying to get as much info
> as possible.

Cherie,
Check out my web page at http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

for my suggestions on how to begin raw feeding.

Read the book "Work Wonders" by Dr. Tom Lonsdale. You can find it
at http://www.rawmeatybones.com and you can download it in PDF
format for free at the same location.

A few informative web sites are:
http://rawfeddogs.net/

--- be sure and check the recipes page.
http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html
http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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13a. feeding raw while traveling
Posted by: "Lisa R" mljnxr@yahoo.com mljnxr
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:03 pm ((PDT))

Just a question,

We are getting our new russell terrier puppy Gertrude at the end of this month. We are considering feeding her raw for her health. However, we travel at least once or twice a year and are gone for a week or two and she will be going with. How do you feed raw while traveling? Has anyone else had to deal with this situation and how did it work out?

Thanks,

Lisa - NC

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13b. Re: feeding raw while traveling
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:39 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Lisa R <mljnxr@...> wrote:
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> How do you feed raw while traveling?

Pack the dog's meals into zip lock bags. One meal to a bag. Keep
them iced down in a cooler. Assuming that you are going places that
have grocery stores, you can buy other stuff for the dog once you get
there.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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13c. Re: feeding raw while traveling
Posted by: "merril Woolf" merril@kentfieldwhippets.com whippetsrus2002
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:39 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Lisa R <mljnxr@...> wrote:
>
> Just a question,
>
> We are getting our new russell terrier puppy Gertrude at the end of this month. We are
considering feeding her raw for her health. However, we travel at least once or twice a
year and are gone for a week or two and she will be going with. How do you feed raw
while traveling? Has anyone else had to deal with this situation and how did it work out?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lisa - NC

I travel almost every weekend with my whole pack. Usually from Friday to Monday.
We also travel out to national events every year with the entire pack and are gone for 2
weeks usually at a time.

We travel with two ice chests - one for the dogs and one for us.
The dog ice chest is filled with frozen food and then covered over with ice. We don't open
the ice chest except for once per day to feed the dogs.
Depending on how much food and how many dogs you are traveling with, a full ice chest
can last you about 5 days. For only one dog, it could last you much longer. It takes
about 4 or 5 days for the food to thaw out if covered with ice and kept closed.
Once the food thaws out, it can last several more days as long as you keep it topped up
with ice and don't open it.

In your case, with one dog, you can assume any food you keep in it will last a week if
placed in the ice chest frozen and topped with ice. Once thawed, it will keep a further few
days.
If you need to refill your ice chest with food, the supermarket is your friend. We usually
seek out super walmarts because we know they'll have meats we can use for our dog at a
fairly good price. We also look for bargins at regular supermarkets. We've never run out
of food yet and we do this every weekend just about. :-))

Merril

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13d. Re: feeding raw while traveling
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:40 pm ((PDT))

Do they have grocery stores where you will be
travelling? Can you find the local butcher shops?

Nathalie

--- Lisa R <mljnxr@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Just a question,
>
> We are getting our new russell terrier puppy
> Gertrude at the end of this month. We are
> considering feeding her raw for her health.
> However, we travel at least once or twice a year and
> are gone for a week or two and she will be going
> with. How do you feed raw while traveling? Has
> anyone else had to deal with this situation and how
> did it work out?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lisa - NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
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14. skin and coat
Posted by: "rocketblasther" jforbes05@sbcglobal.net rocketblasther
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:37 pm ((PDT))

Is there another food source for a healthier skin and coat other than
fish and fish oil. Is fat good for skin and coat, and if so, is it
like liver in terms of causing runny stool?

Thanks,
Jim & Sarah

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15. 3rd update and hopefully the last one!
Posted by: "tottime47" tottime@aol.com tottime47
Date: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:39 pm ((PDT))

Thank you for your comments, Chris O!

Everybody Thanks!

I don't think I would have called the vet without them, just worried.

I have such a good Vet, so I hate bothering him
constantly......He's the most patient man I know.......
Good with animals too.....

Took Charkee in at 3pm today and we'd all forgot that I'd ask doc to
go ahead and
take off the last small cyst on his shoulder........turns out it was
tiny on the skin but
big underneath and burrowed deep......He said that was probably what
the crying was about as it may have started hurting him and said I
should have called........even late..........

What a vet! .Anyhow it's draining into his front chest area and he
got a lump about the size of a silver dollar, it doesn't seem to be
bothering him now, but I was worried it would swell up his throat.
Doc said it was just under the skin and wouldn't do that..........

Checked his tooth and it's fine, has a clot there.........looked
good............

Now hopefully a few more days of this and all will be good
again.......

I have a couple of questions and going to ask them later over on raw
chat......
so maybe you can all share some more of your wisdom there?

He's home, he's eating and fairly alert........so I'm going to go to
bed early lol, being up all
night with the baby has got me beat.........

Carol, Charkee & Maggie

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