[rawfeeding] Digest Number 11806

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Re: Bone- Karen and more info
From: Hodgepodge Stuff

2a. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
From: pet.wellness
2b. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
From: John and Sonya Yoder

3a. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: pet.wellness
3b. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: Nathalie Poulin
3c. Re: stinky gaaaas
From: Lyse Garant

4a. Re: nose trouble
From: pet.wellness
4b. Re: nose trouble
From: Sandee Lee
4c. Re: nose trouble
From: kaseyfrankie
4d. Re: nose trouble
From: Lyse Garant

5a. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
From: GSRBC

6a. Re: Not going to the bathroom.
From: Nathalie Poulin
6b. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
From: Eve
6c. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
From: Giselle
6d. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
From: carnesbill
6e. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
From: Lyse Garant
6f. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
From: carnesbill

7a. Raw Vets & Bacteria
From: Cherie Ferebee
7b. Re: Raw Vets & Bacteria
From: carnesbill
7c. Re: Raw Vets & Bacteria
From: ginny wilken

8.1. Nature's Variety
From: Cherie Ferebee
8.2. Re: Nature's Variety
From: carnesbill
8.3. Re: Nature's Variety
From: carnesbill

9a. Whats that in his poop???
From: deep_ocean_of_sorrow
9b. Re: Whats that in his poop???
From: carnesbill

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1a. Re: Bone- Karen and more info
Posted by: "Hodgepodge Stuff" ads@hodgepodgestuff.com candlelady_lisa
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:42 pm ((PDT))

Hi Karen,

She is a mixed breed and I couldn't even tell you what she might have
in her. She has yellow lab color, but she is a petite dog. She has a
few of the teeth up front but that is about it. The vet said she was
about 9 yrs old. I do have other issues with her that I am trying to
help her with Homeopathically. She was eating canned food last year
and partially the beginning of this year, but I have had her on raw
since. Such a long story with her, but she has urine retention issues
now that I have been trying to help, but I sometimes wonder by not
getting the bone, it isn't helping.... Her digestion hasn't been so
swell of late either, I have to be sure she can digest before pounding
bone I guess. I have thought of the egg shell someone else mentioned,
but my grinder broke recently and as of late our funds are limited even
for that... It has been a crazy few months for us... I am trying
though. I appreciate the info though and I will pound bone I think
once I am sure she is digesting right. FYI, I told my husband all I
needed to do was pound bones, and he was like "didn't I already mention
that..." I guess I just thought they should be ground up fine... I
think it has been a blonde moment with me because my other dog just
bites her bones enough to get it down her throat... :)

Thanks so much you and everyone!

Lisa

On Jul 14, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Karen Swanay wrote:

> You can use a meat tenderiser (the mallet not the powder) or a heavy
> frying
> pan and bash chicken wings, necks and backs into basically nothing
> that
> needs teeth to chew. Put them in a couple plastic bags and just whap
> them.
> She won't need ground bone, just something small enough she can
> swallow.
> Does she have no teeth at all? What breed? How old?
>
> Karen
>

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2a. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:27 pm ((PDT))

Alicia, I would not say you are only "a measly" anything but an astute
observer. I could not agree more about the veterinarian's vaccine
protocol. Given that the rabies vaccine will do no good if the kitty
has already been exposed to rabies and will do substantially more harm
if she is ill, it was unnecessary and unethical. Even the
manufacturer's label says not to administer to sick animals. Ash could
not know this and so could not control it. Pamela

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> Ash,I am sorry you feel attacked but, in retrospect, what would you
> expect on a RAW fed board? ... I am only a measly lurker here, but
over

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2b. Re: Starved Stray Food Suggestions
Posted by: "John and Sonya Yoder" johnsonya@suddenlink.net johnsonya75701
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:07 pm ((PDT))

I have been a lurker and have been feeding my boxer Roo raw for about a
month now. She got very ill after her last set a vacs from the old vet and
I found the only holistic vet in my small town.I started cooking for her
about the time of the dog food scare, and was supplimenting her diet with
several "good" suppliments. The holistic vet told me not to cook her food
to long or I would ruin the content. He personally feeds his dogs Natures
Variety. I can't buy that locally either, and can't afford to have her food
shipped in so I started resurching raw diets. I have been feedinbg her raw
for about a month and she is doing fantasic. She was doing better with the
holistic vets care, but even better now that I am no longer cooking for her
and feeding her an appripriate diet. I don't know how closly related cats
and dogs are, but for my money I'd feed raw everytime.
Sonya
mother of ROO BEAR
3 year old Boxer

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3a. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:27 pm ((PDT))

My poodle has never passed gas after eating raw food. How long have
you been feeding raw? Are the other eructations, i.e, burps regular or
is this something new? Pamela

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "monell2000" <monell2000@...> wrote:
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> My standard poodles have very stinky gas.Does anyone else have this
> problem on the raw?? It doesn't seem to matter which meat they eat. I

>

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3b. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:02 pm ((PDT))

What EXACTLY are you feeding them?

Nathalie

--- monell2000 <monell2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> My standard poodles have very stinky gas.Does anyone
> else have this
> problem on the raw?? It doesn't seem to matter which
> meat they eat. I
> have a different smell than on K****e, but still
> stinky.
> Last night my female burped, and it had the same
> smell as thier gas.
> Is this normal??
>
> Monell
>
>

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3c. Re: stinky gaaaas
Posted by: "Lyse Garant" lyse_garant@yahoo.com lyse_garant
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:37 pm ((PDT))

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gosh almighty, I have to watch guinness so so closely or he will eat his own doot, and then his BREATH stinks like road kill, and his next doot smells like recycled doot, NASTY. Best thing to do is watch watch watch, catch, snatch, and feed!
xoxo love you and god bless and good luck...

Nathalie Poulin <poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca> wrote:
What EXACTLY are you feeding them?

Nathalie

--- monell2000 <monell2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

> My standard poodles have very stinky gas.Does anyone
> else have this
> problem on the raw?? It doesn't seem to matter which
> meat they eat. I
> have a different smell than on K****e, but still
> stinky.
> Last night my female burped, and it had the same
> smell as thier gas.
> Is this normal??
>
> Monell
>
>

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4a. Re: nose trouble
Posted by: "pet.wellness" pet.wellness@yahoo.com pet.wellness
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:28 pm ((PDT))

My dog used to bury his bones too. Now that we have no back yard and
he only walks on a leash, he wanders the house with a bone in his
mouth, whining, because he can't find a good place to stash it. It's
just so much responsibility.

My only suggestion is to distract him by playing ball or something
else he likes and take the bone away. You can give it back for a short
time the next day. Pamela

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tamarabajema" <tamarabajema@...>
wrote:
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> my little dog likes to bury his bones, which is good. But he buries
> them, digs them up and buries them again. He is doing it so often he is
> losing the hair on the bridge of his nose, and his nose itself isn't

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4b. Re: nose trouble
Posted by: "Sandee Lee" rlee@plix.com mariasmom2001
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:50 pm ((PDT))

If it is covered with meat, you could give it back.

I'm wondering why he doesn't eat it all...is it too large for him? If
that's the case and there is still lots of meat, I would pick it up and put
it away for another meal. If it's bare bone, toss it.

Sandee & the Dane Gang

From: "tamarabajema" <tamarabajema@yahoo.ca>
>
I give him chick drumstick, he eats off the ends and then buries the
middle. The next day he runs outside, digs it up and chews on it some
more. I thought thats what dogs do, bury their bones and then dig them
up later when they are hungry again and the bone is easier to chew on.
Your saying i should take it away from him when he goes to bury it, and
give it him the next day?

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4c. Re: nose trouble
Posted by: "kaseyfrankie" Julian1013@aol.com kaseyfrankie
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:12 pm ((PDT))

Sophie likes to eat her organs and gizzards and then bury the big
chicken leg and go eat it a few hours later, I can't imagine why she
would want to marinade it in dirt all afternoon but, she does. Today I
made her wait a little bit longer for her food (she usually eats at
about 10 am and today I made her wait until about 2) and she ate
everything right up.
Kasey S.

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4d. Re: nose trouble
Posted by: "Lyse Garant" lyse_garant@yahoo.com lyse_garant
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:11 pm ((PDT))

just not hungry enuff! good for you, keep trying. I am literally at my ropes end with my pup eating his own feces. I have now resorted to tying him to me when he's loose in the apartment!.
Because the more crap he eats, the more he craps.
At least with the raw diet I have more of a chance of winning this battle.
Not for me mind ya, I just hate to see his cute self wasting all that energy reprocessing what has already been pinched by the A hole!

"pet.wellness" <pet.wellness@yahoo.com> wrote:
My dog used to bury his bones too. Now that we have no back yard and
he only walks on a leash, he wanders the house with a bone in his
mouth, whining, because he can't find a good place to stash it. It's
just so much responsibility.

My only suggestion is to distract him by playing ball or something
else he likes and take the bone away. You can give it back for a short
time the next day. Pamela

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "tamarabajema" <tamarabajema@...>
wrote:
>
> my little dog likes to bury his bones, which is good. But he buries
> them, digs them up and buries them again. He is doing it so often he is
> losing the hair on the bridge of his nose, and his nose itself isn't

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5a. Re: changing over to raw for the first time
Posted by: "GSRBC" GSDRescue@shaw.ca gsdrescuebc
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:36 pm ((PDT))

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H Linda,

I just wanted to offer you some encouragement and let you know what
has worked for us.
EPI is yes, becoming more and more rampant in the GSD lines. A while
ago we took in a dog with severe EPI.
She was a mere 41lbs when she came to us. We did a lot of research
and took her to a holistic vet, as we just couldn't find a vet that
would agree with what we were feeding (raw).
The holistic vet told us to add pork pancreas to her diet. We did and
Daisy started to get better!
She was a short coated white girl, so really did look horrible!
She could not eat everything. Liver, heart and very rich meats like
pork and lamb set off days of diarrhea. But we finally found our way,
and with adding the pork pancreas, I am happy to say that today,
Daisy is a whopping 79lbs, which is her ideal weight. The pork
pancreas really was a life saver for her.

We have since had two other GSDs come through our care with EPI, and
while not as severe, they did very well on the raw diet, with the
pancreas.

Good luck!

Kelly
German Shepherd Rescue of BC
www.gsrbc.com

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6a. Re: Not going to the bathroom.
Posted by: "Nathalie Poulin" poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca poulin_nathalie
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:01 pm ((PDT))

Give him a nice chunk of liver, that should help get
things moving through his system.
Just be careful not to give him too much or you might
have the opposite effect of constipation.

Nathalie

--- Eve <loulou_bean@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Bill,
>
> He definitely didn't go to the bathroom. I thought
> it
> was "normal" to go regularly, and 5 days seems
> pretty
> excessive to not. I am afraid he has some sort of
> blockage. He did chew up some bone the other day.
>
> We just took him for a walk and he paced for a while
> as if he was about to go and nothing wound up
> happening.
>
> Also, the last couple of times we we took him for a
> walk he took more interest in chasing the pigeons
> than
> he did in walking. What could this be?
>
> Eve
> --- carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Eve
> > <loulou_bean@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > Our pekingese has now been on all raw diet
> > (chicken)
> > > since last Monday, and he hasn't gone to the
> > bathroom
> > > yet.
> >
> > How is the dog acting and how is he feeling? If
> he
> > has normal energy
> > and seems to be happy and feeling good, I wouldn't
> > worry. Are you
> > absolutely sure that he hasn't pooped? With a dog
> > that size a raw
> > chicken poop will be very very very small.
> >
> > Bill Carnes
> > http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
> >
> > Feeding Raw since October 2002
> >
> > "Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural
> > outcomes"
> > Dr. Tom Lonsdale
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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6b. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
Posted by: "Eve" loulou_bean@yahoo.com loulou_bean
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 6:42 pm ((PDT))

Nathalie,

We bought him a whole chicken with the bag full of
organs where everything looks the same. How can I tell
which is the liver?

Eve

--- Nathalie Poulin <poulin_nathalie@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Give him a nice chunk of liver, that should help get
> things moving through his system.
> Just be careful not to give him too much or you
> might
> have the opposite effect of constipation.
>
> Nathalie
>
> --- Eve <loulou_bean@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Bill,
> >
> > He definitely didn't go to the bathroom. I thought
> > it
> > was "normal" to go regularly, and 5 days seems
> > pretty
> > excessive to not. I am afraid he has some sort of
> > blockage. He did chew up some bone the other day.
> >
> > We just took him for a walk and he paced for a
> while
> > as if he was about to go and nothing wound up
> > happening.
> >
> > Also, the last couple of times we we took him for
> a
> > walk he took more interest in chasing the pigeons
> > than
> > he did in walking. What could this be?
> >
> > Eve
> > --- carnesbill <carnesw@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Eve
> > > <loulou_bean@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Our pekingese has now been on all raw diet
> > > (chicken)
> > > > since last Monday, and he hasn't gone to the
> > > bathroom
> > > > yet.
> > >
> > > How is the dog acting and how is he feeling? If
> > he
> > > has normal energy
> > > and seems to be happy and feeling good, I
> wouldn't
> > > worry. Are you
> > > absolutely sure that he hasn't pooped? With a
> dog
> > > that size a raw
> > > chicken poop will be very very very small.
> > >
> > > Bill Carnes
> > > http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm
> > >
> > > Feeding Raw since October 2002
> > >
> > > "Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural
> > > outcomes"
> > > Dr. Tom Lonsdale
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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6c. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
Posted by: "Giselle" megan.giselle@gmail.com megangiselle
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:19 pm ((PDT))

Hi, Eve!
Liver is the blobby, squidgy one. The gizzards are like 2 semi hard
half balls with gristle holding them together and the heart will be
about the size of the first joint on your thumb and conical.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> We bought him a whole chicken with the bag full of
> organs where everything looks the same. How can I tell
> which is the liver?
>
> Eve

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6d. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:15 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Eve <loulou_bean@...> wrote:
>

You got some good advice. I think liver will do the trick. The dog
wanting to chase the pigeons is a good thing.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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6e. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
Posted by: "Lyse Garant" lyse_garant@yahoo.com lyse_garant
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:36 pm ((PDT))

and, correct me if i am wrong gizzards are muscle meat?

Giselle <megan.giselle@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Eve!
Liver is the blobby, squidgy one. The gizzards are like 2 semi hard
half balls with gristle holding them together and the heart will be
about the size of the first joint on your thumb and conical.
TC
Giselle
with Bea in New Jersey

> We bought him a whole chicken with the bag full of
> organs where everything looks the same. How can I tell
> which is the liver?
>
> Eve

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6f. Re: Not going to the bathroom//What does liver look like?
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:11 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Lyse Garant <lyse_garant@...> wrote:
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> and, correct me if i am wrong gizzards are muscle meat?
>
I'm not sure what they are but as far as I'm concerned they are pretty
useless nutritionally. They are basically a sack.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7a. Raw Vets & Bacteria
Posted by: "Cherie Ferebee" oceanbaylabradors@yahoo.com oceanbaylabradors
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:34 pm ((PDT))

Hey again,
I was at my vet today, I asked what he thought about raw feeding. He said he doesn't reccomend it because of the ecoli, salmonella, and other bacterias found in raw food. What are the dangers of raw feeding reguarding bacteria? Are there any vets in the Sussex County, DE/Salisbury, MD area that support raw feeding? Just so I have a local vet to talk to. I don't plan on switching vets, just would like to have one close by to talk to just in case I need something.

Thanks Bunches!
Cherie

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7b. Re: Raw Vets & Bacteria
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:33 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cherie Ferebee
<oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:
>
> What are the dangers of raw feeding reguarding bacteria?

There is very little danger from bacteria and raw food. Dogs have
very acidic stomach juices that will kill most any bacteria that it
comes in contact with. Think of it like this. A wolf in the wild
may happen upon a deer that died of something several days ago and
is smelling pretty strong. What do you think he will do? Eat it of
course. :)

My dearly departed Skylar(Golden) loved to eat road kill squirrels.
Not that I fed them to her but if she could spot one and get to it
before I could stop her, it was in her mouth and she was chomping on
it. She would swallow them because there was no way I could get
those nasty things out of her mouth. Many had been laying in the
hot summer Georgia sun for days if not a week or more and were real
foul. She never had an adverse effect from this. Not once in about
4 times she was lucky enough to get one. No vomiting, no diarrhea,
no sickness at all. She would eat her next meal normally.
Sooooooooo bacteria is no problem. :) :) :)

> Are there any vets in the Sussex County, DE/Salisbury, MD
> area that support raw feeding?

I don't have a clue but I doubt it. I don't know but 3 vets in the
world that I would trust with questions about my dog's diet.

> Just so I have a local vet to talk to.

Just hang around here for awhile. You will soon gain enough
confidence in your own knowledge that you won't feel the need to ask
a vet questions about diet or nutrition because soon, you won't be
able to find a vet who knows more than you do about those two
subjects.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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7c. Re: Raw Vets & Bacteria
Posted by: "ginny wilken" gwilken@alamedanet.net ginny439
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:46 pm ((PDT))

On Jul 14, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Cherie Ferebee wrote:

> Hey again,
> I was at my vet today, I asked what he thought about raw
> feeding. He said he doesn't reccomend it because of the ecoli,
> salmonella, and other bacterias found in raw food. What are the
> dangers of raw feeding reguarding bacteria? Are there any vets in
> the Sussex County, DE/Salisbury, MD area that support raw feeding?
> Just so I have a local vet to talk to. I don't plan on switching
> vets, just would like to have one close by to talk to just in case
> I need something.
>
> Thanks Bunches!
> Cherie

There are more bacteria in the environment, and in the poop of kibble-
fed dogs, than in your dog's system ever. A properly functioning
digestive tract has acid strong enough to kill any pathogens - and,
if you feed raw, it's functioning properly:)

Tell your vet to review his bacteriology texts. There are no bacteria
in muscle or organ meat, and whatever gets on the meat's outside is
no worse than the ground we walk on, the butts they sniff, and the
questionable items they snarf up. There are more on my washcloth than
in my dog's mouth, for sure.

Silly vet....

ginny and Tomo

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8.1. Nature's Variety
Posted by: "Cherie Ferebee" oceanbaylabradors@yahoo.com oceanbaylabradors
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:34 pm ((PDT))

I forgot to mention that I found a company at my local pet supply place that makes raw dog food. It has ground bones in it. It is Nature's Variety. Any opinions? I bought a chub of it to try with my shih tzu. She is not that sure about it. It is pretty pricey though. $5.95 for a 2lb chub. I just wanted to try to see if she would eat it because she doesn't eat anything. She doesn't like dog food, dog treats, etc. She likes cheese and all natural turkey dogs (as treats when training). She wants cat food, but is not allow to have it. She sniffed the raw Lamb, but my sister's daschund (spelling?) kept sniffing it, and then our fox hound ate it. She loved it! Any ideas on getting my shih tzu to eat raw?

Thanks Again!
Cherie

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8.2. Re: Nature's Variety
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:33 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, Cherie Ferebee
<oceanbaylabradors@...> wrote:
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> It is Nature's Variety. Any opinions?

No, it's not good for many reasons. There was a long thread on it
just a week or so ago about it. Check back and I'm sure you can find
the posts.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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8.3. Re: Nature's Variety
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:26 am ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "carnesbill" <carnesw@...> wrote:
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> There was a long thread on it
> just a week or so ago about it. Check back and I'm sure you
> can find
> the posts.

O O O P S ! ! ! Sorry, that thread was on another list. :) :) :)

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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9a. Whats that in his poop???
Posted by: "deep_ocean_of_sorrow" deep_ocean_of_sorrow@yahoo.com deep_ocean_of_sorrow
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:35 pm ((PDT))

okay, so today for my Lakkun's walk, he pooped like usual and I scooped
it up with a plastic bag.

Then I noticed some weird mucus looking substance covering maybe about
1/2 or maybe less of the poop. it looked exactly like mucus(like, the
one from your nose). it was light-lime-green kind of color and the touch
of it (through my plastic bag) felt like mucus too. What IS this?

and well, I thought there might be some worms(!!) in it or something, so
I quickly went home and did some detective work(with extra layers of
gloves, mind you). I didn't see any worms, but I did find a piece of
plastic wrapper (the kinds you use after your dinner...)and some hair(i
think it was dog hair..) in his poop. other than that, it looked normal
... well, all that and besides the mucus looking thing.

did the plastic wrapper cause this mucus-looking thing? would it have
been his breakfast? My mom fed Lakkun's breakfast cause I didn't wake
up...She probably forgot to take it out and my dog chewed on it or
something. His breakfast was 2 small pieces of chicken leg and a sliced
beef rib. he's been fed this before and none of this has ever
happened...

Please HELP!

¢¾Kate

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9b. Re: Whats that in his poop???
Posted by: "carnesbill" carnesw@bellsouth.net carnesbill
Date: Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:34 pm ((PDT))

--- In rawfeeding@yahoogroups.com, "deep_ocean_of_sorrow"
<deep_ocean_of_sorrow@...> wrote:
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> Then I noticed some weird mucus looking substance covering
> maybe about
> 1/2 or maybe less of the poop.

It is mucus and it happens from time to time. I see it pretty
regularly when I happen to check my dog's poop which I don't do real
often anymore. My guess is that its a natural lubricant to help the
stool pass through the intestine. It MAY be secretion from anal
glands. Either way, to me its just a natural occuring event and I
don't think anything about it.

Bill Carnes
http://www.skylarzack.com/rawfeeding.htm

Feeding Raw since October 2002

"Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
Dr. Tom Lonsdale

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